User talk:Citizenkassidy

Wilmington & East Side Ultras
I know East End Side Ultras is getting a strong following in social media but it needs to have coverage in a secondary source - like a newspaper in order to be included. Otherwise it just doesn't meet the standards for notability. See policy on reliable sources. Let me know if you have further questions. I did some searching to see if the Ultras were covered in the local news but couldn't find any source. -- Trödel 23:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

What you have sourced for the PCF is their website...that doesn't fit into your category. By the way, we're the East SIDE Ultras...not the East END Ultras....


 * Thanks for pointing that out - I found some references for PCF and added them. I was only reviewing the changes and missed that they didn't have any sources either. As you can see from the sources for PCF that I added - the bar is pretty low (IMHO) for the types of references needed - maybe give reckless challenge or one of the other websites that cover USL news and see if they will do a feature on East Side Ultras. -- Trödel 15:33, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * We are in the process of having something written up about the club from either the Star News, On the Rail or Reckless Challenge. Sorry for the misunderstanding. May I have your word that you'll leave the ESU addition be once we have a write-up from one (or a few) of those sources? Citizenkassidy (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * That's not really how it works. The language in the article needs to be worded in a neutral manner and frankly that's what first drew my attention to the change (not the lack of sources). How about we work on the wording and leave a July 2015 flag on it and you can add the reference later (but realize that the wording could be removed by others if there isn't a source on it in a reasonable amount of time). -- Trödel 15:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I would certainly think that an article written by a local news source would be neutral. Also, how can you argue such a matter when one of the "sources" for the PCF is a direct interview? Of course that's biased and self-promotion! What will be written will be neutral, rest assured. Citizenkassidy (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes the source may have some biased and self-promotional material in it, but the article should not - so I removed the text that was promotional.
 * The text you added:
 * "The second group, the East Side Ultras [5][6][7], were founded in 2015 by a small group of fans who desired to create a more lively match atmosphere. The East Side Ultras have brought a DIY attitude and are very passionate about remaining an independent supporters club. The East Side Ultras are most commonly known for their sky blue helmets/hats and black shirts which are representative of their rebellious nature. They are also known for their beloved bonehead and mischievous man of mayhem, Ollie Skully [8], who regularly promotes the Hammerheads and the East Side Ultras through his crazy antics and rants."


 * has a host of issues. I distilled it down to the essence - who they are and how they can be identified. If you review the supporters section or Club culture section of the various MLS clubs you'll see that most have very few details -- Trödel 16:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * We'll leave it at that then and I'll add a source as soon as I possibly can. Citizenkassidy (talk) 17:09, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good and welcome to Wikipedia - sorry your first editing experience was a little frustrating for you. See below for some resources. -- Trödel  17:21, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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