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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
Hello ,

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
 * Backlog

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.
 * Coordinator

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for  making  the occasional  mistake while  others can learn from  their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.
 * This month's refresher course

Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.
 * Deletion tags

Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.
 * Paid editing


 * Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion
 * Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
 * Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.

Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent  enhancements to  the New Pages Feed and  features in the Curation  tool, and there are still more to  come. Due to the wealth  of information  now displayed by  ORES, reviewers are strongly  encouraged to  use the system now rather than Twinkle; it  will  also  correctly  populate the logs.
 * Not English
 * A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.
 * Tools

Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.

Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.

is now patrolling certain categories of uncontroversial redirects. Curious? Check out its patrol log.

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About issues concerning HK
Dear,

I have cited the proper sources for constructive editing on Wikipedia. Please refrain from deliberate vandalism. Meanwhile, as Wikipedia is a free one, please abide by the policy that anyone may edit it as long as the sources be cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mockingjay28 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Please review the policies at WP:BLP and WP:NPOV. Secondly, the sources you are citing at Joint Declaration do not actually reflect the content you are adding, only the position of the Chinese gov't. Citobun (talk) 09:13, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

As illustrated in the declaration, HK is part of China under the basic law. Therefore, the Chinese government is the official one to state the status of HK, not the Group of 7, in which neither mainland China nor HK is involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mockingjay28 (talk • contribs) 09:22, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


 * It's called "joint declaration" for a reason. The content you are adding is uncited and controversial. It's not Wikipedia's role to issue a judgement on this issue. Citobun (talk) 09:24, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello ,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon. There are now holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action. Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox. Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards. Admin has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers. Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources. Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13. The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights. There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion. To opt-out of future mailings, you can remove yourself here MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Getting the queue to 0
 * Coordinator
 * This month's refresher course
 * Tools
 * It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
 * It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.
 * Reviewer Feedback
 * Second set of eyes
 * Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
 * Do be sure to have our talk page  on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.
 * Arbitration Committee
 * Community Wish list

Kartikeya Sharma restored
As a courtesy, this is to notify you that an article you successfully nominated for deletion, Kartikeya Sharma, has been restored to mainspace with new information and sources. You may wish to examine the new version to see if you still have any remaining concerns regarding notability. SilkTork (talk) 11:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019


This year's Reviewer of the Year is. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
 * Reviewer of the Year

Special commendation again goes to who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to and  who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by.
 * Redirect autopatrol

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
 * Source Guide Discussion

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag. Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 16:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This month's refresher course

Online Conference call for Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong in 2020
Dear Citobun,

Hi. This is 1233, a board member of Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong.

We will soon hold our first online conference call of year 2020 in the coming days. As a major part of preparation work [1] will be held in our Telegram group, we wish you to join us in Telegram and are also looking forward to your opinion.

Shall there be any inconvenience or requesting access [2] to access Telegram group, please feel free to contact me via email (i.e. william@undefinedwchan.hk) [3] or leave your Telegram ID on my talk page (Note: This will disclose your Telegram ID to the public).

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[1] Preparation work include finalizing the date and time [2] You may also contact WhisperToMe for Telegram access [3] Or other means if you can find me

Kind regards, 1233 on 09:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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About: Second online meeting of Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong in 2020
Dear Citobun,

This is User:1233 from the Hong Kong User Group.

We will be hosting our second online meeting on the Hong Kong User Group's Wikipedia Discord Server [1], where we will be discussing matters that weren't finalized at the last meeting. We will also be discussing the future of the User Group at the same time. Please join us on the server at that date. If you do not have a Discord account, please feel free to register one or contact me for more details.

[1]: Hong Kong User Group's Discord Server: https://discord.gg/7chaCt

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Re:Tsim Sha Tsui station
If including such information, which is verifiable, is merely presenting political point of view, therefore has to be deleted, then Yuen Long and Prince Edward station has to do the same, otherwise it would be double standard.-- owennson （ Meeting Room 、 Certificates ) 08:59, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NNC. Notability does not apply to the content within the article. Also, how much the media reported, how much the information I added. That is not any political viewpoint, that is a FACT. It HAPPENED. The station was destroyed, like it or not.-- owennson （ Meeting Room 、 Certificates ) 12:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Well... no, the station wasn't destroyed. Anyway, I have opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong to find consensus on this. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020
Hello ,

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.
 * Source Guide Discussion

New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.
 * Redirects


 * Discussions and Resources
 * There is an ongoing discussion around changing notifications for new editors who attempt to write articles.
 * A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restraunts are notable was archived without closure.
 * A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
 * A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.

Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.
 * Refresher

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March 2020
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at 2019-20 Hong Kong Protests. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted. Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. WP:BOOMERANG Sleath56 (talk) 02:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
 * If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.


 * Please don't post frivolous warning templates on my talk page. You are the one edit warring (three reverts and counting). Citobun (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Clearly an issue of WP:CIR exists if you can't see the unresponded comments I've left on the Talk thread you've opened under the claim that you wanted to prevent an edit war and gain community feedback. Sleath56 (talk) 02:20, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Link issues - Tingyat
Pray tell, what are the problems with the External Links that I've attached to two or more Wikipedia page - in particular the one's you have just removed from Ghost Festivals and Sai Yeung Choi Street?

I hope you have very good reason for doing so. The photo galleries to which the links point contain images that are of significant interest and specifically relevant to each of those sections.

Looking forward to your comments and reasons.

TIA

Tingyat (talk) 06:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Tingyat most of your edits (going back to 2007) serve to add links to websites promoting the work of one particular photographer, hence it appears to me like a case of WP:EL. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a vehicle for promotion. In addition, the articles already have links to their respective Commons image pages, and the links you are adding seem to be outside the scope of what the external links section should contain. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 07:36, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit Warring
Hi, I'm EGL1234, and I wanted to inform you about a case of edit warring on the page "Kowloon". Although you are on the correct side of the argument (IMO), you are constantly reverting IP Account 100.12.216.122's revisions. If you carry on participating, you may be blocked by an admin.

I know how frustrating it feels when someone keeps reverting your edits, but instead, just tell an admin perhaps on the Teahouse to block them.

EGL1234 (talk) 03:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:EGL1234 for the notice. I only made one revert on that page. Anyway, I already reported the IP to ARV for edit warring after level 4 template warning & abusive edit summaries. Citobun (talk) 04:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you User: Citobun. I really appreciate your help. EGL1234 (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Monster Building
Hi. What do you mean by not public housing? The template was put into the original articles of the Monster Building's sub-blocks. Then why put this template into the article if it is not related? Teemeah 편지 (letter)  09:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I removed the template from the article. It's not public housing. Citobun (talk) 09:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that. Can you also tell what your problem is with the sources of the article? Did you actually check the sources? And what is it if not public housing...? Teemeah 편지 (letter)  09:54, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The article claims things such as "because it is such a dense living space, it is difficult to have it demolished" which, from an engineering standpoint, makes no sense. So there should be better/more reliable sources attesting to such claims. Secondly, there should be more evidence that "Monster Building" is the common English name of this building. It just seems like a nickname among foreign instagrammers. I don't understand your last question about public housing. Citobun (talk) 10:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Article titles and naming conventions already describe that the subject should be called by the name it is most widely know at in English. I don't think anyone knows this building by its Cantonese name outside of HK. Whether it is instagrammers, Time Out Hong Kong, South China Morning Post or videos on youtube. There are other examples, like China Zun which is featured by its popular English name instead of its original Chinese name. Or Petronas Towers that deviates even from its official English name. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  20:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Upmerging proposed
Pease see my proposal to upmerge Category:Railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020 to Category:Railway stations in China opened in 2020 as we do not have categories for subnational divisions like railway stations in California opened in 2019 or railway stations in Hong Kong opened in 2020. And the categories by country should be restricted to those countries with a number of new railway stations in all or most years e.g at present only China, Canada, Russia and the United States. Hugo999 (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about Link Reit editing
Hi According to Link REIT (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Link_REIT&oldid=948093289), I totally agree with you that ‘monopoly’ has been referenced in the body of Link REIT’s wikipedia. However, there is no reference to refer Link REIT as a “corporate monster”. This term and the statement are misleading which has harmed Link REIT’s reputation unjustly. Such term and statement are completely a defamation and must not be posted on wikipedia according to Libel. "The goal of Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedic information source adhering to a neutral point of view, with all information being referenced through the citation of reliable published sources, so as to maintain a standard of verifiability". Also, as Wiki’s co-founder Jimmy Wales said, zero information is preferred to misleading or false information. As such, the statement ‘it has been widely considered a “corporate monster” in Hong Kong partly responsible for the city’s socioeconomic issues’ must be removed from wikipedia.

DYK for Suara (newspaper)
Vanamonde (Talk) 00:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Your hook made our all-time DYK page views list! Yoninah (talk) 11:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Hong Kong protest edits
Hey, I have noticed my edits regarding the HK protests are reverted. Editors strive to maintain neutrality, but there is limited coverage of the other side and lesser-known side of the protests. The article in of itself is neutral, but the information provided is totally one-sided to the side of the protestors. Therefore, I proposed adding a section - "criticism of protestors," to which you deleted. If there is criticism of police responses, there should also be a criticism of the protestors section to balance things out and maintain a neutral even-handed tone. The criticism of violent methods, the counter-protests, and the people's negative views of the protests should also be presented to an audience who may not know about these protests. There are always positive and negative evaluations in any controversial article or Wikipedia pages of controversial figures, and I believe it is only right to do that. As a new user, I understand my citations and content may be a bit off, but I believe with the help of VIPs and other more senior and experienced editors like you, we can add a section like this and present the concerns and criticism of the protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starslayer1234 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I think we need to create new article about the new bill
Hi, there! It looks Wikipedia needs a new article about law of Honk Kong re on BBC news (BBC, China proposes controversial Hong Kong security law, May 21, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52759578). I placed request on WikiProject Hong Kong/Requests. I may add my own minor working with fixing References templates or like that, but my English is a bit weak as second language. Also, all issues of Asian English are very difficult for me (how to call article, will it similar 2019 Hong Kong extradition bill or National Security (Legislative Provisions) Bill 2003?). I see you now on Hong Kong Basic Law Article 23. The two topics, new 2020 bill and this one, Hong Kong Basic Law Article 23, looks to be close topics? Best wishes. PoetVeches (talk) 18:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In fact, this article of the topic was created already long ago, that is National People's Congress Decision on Hong Kong national security legislation. There is only a bit puzzling how to call article (see Talk:National People's Congress Decision on Hong Kong national security legislation). So, I found and answered to myself while you was busy :) PoetVeches (talk) 22:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about Link REIT reference
Hi, According to Neutral_point_of_viewDue and Undue Weight of Wikipedia’s NPOV, the term ‘corporate monster’ in your reference is only described by extremely minority. There is no another reference in Google regarding describing LINK REIT as a ‘corporate monster’. More importantly, the reference is belonged to an OPINION column - the view by Richard Harris. Personal opinion can’t be a reference except it's professional Verifiability. Moreover, according to Richard Harris’ article, he only mentioned that "…it is described as ‘corporate monster’” but he did not provide any reference to support this. His article is not a professional one.

Unless you can find a few more strong reference to refer Link REIT to ‘corporate monster’, I don’t think the reference you provided is strong enough to support that Link REIT is a corporate monster. Please remember "All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". 21:00, 24 May 2020 ((GMT+10) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jybl (talk • contribs)

New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020
Hello ,

NPP Sorting can be a great way to find pages needing new page patrolling that match your strengths and interests. Using ORES, it divides articles into topics such as Literature or Chemistry and on Geography. Take a look and see if you can find time to patrol a couple pages a day. With over 10,000 pages in the queue, the highest it's been since ACPERM, your help could really make a difference. In late February, Google added 5 new languages to Google Translate: Kinyarwanda, Odia (Oriya), Tatar, Turkmen and Uyghur. This expands our ability to find and evaluate sources in those languages.
 * Your help can make a difference
 * Google Adds New Languages to Google Translate
 * Discussions and Resources
 * A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
 * Also at the Village Pump is a discussion about limiting participation at Articles for Deletion discussion.
 * A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
 * Also ending with no change was a proposal to change how we handle certain kinds of vector images.

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Hi, I want to contribute
Hi! I love HK, and I think that I found something useful to add to the article 2020 Hong Kong Legislative Council candidates' disqualification controversy. This piece of news where I can clearly recognise Jimmy Sham and Sunny Cheung but not the other three. As I have translated, they have also been DQ. Is it right?. Thank you and my warmest greetings. CoryGlee (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Kau To Shan
I don't understand your actions taken against the revised version of 'Kau To Shan'. You put that the real estate pages were not trustworthy. However, they show valid transactions being made - the price you see on the houses are what came through on the contract. Therefore, please stop reverting these changes entirely, at least try and cut things out that you deem are 'falsified'. Thank you. Hushbraun (talk) 04:47, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I have replied at Talk:Kau To Shan. Citobun (talk) 00:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Offer of help
I'm a Hong Kong English-language editor, back on Wikipedia after a hiatus. If there are HK pages that need cleaning up, please let me know. PumpkinKitten (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Your notice on my page
Hi this is to let you know I have responded to your blanking notice on my page. Festerhauer (talk) 09:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Display of traditional and simplified characters in HK articles
Hi! Just as an FYI there was a discussion about this at the Manual of Style for China-related articles: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/China_and_Chinese-related_articles

As per the RFC the default is to display both Traditional and Simplified characters for topics related to the Chinese-speaking world.

The closer stated "A few editors limited their support for displaying both to the infobox, and most editors noted that there is room for case-by-case exceptions."

As per Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/China_and_Chinese-related_articles another user interpreted that as if a user wants an exception for an article, one needs to get consensus for that article.

What I meant by post-1997 is that Mandarin gained currency after that, not so much simplified characters. However the latter are usually to be displayed anyway as per the RFC.

WhisperToMe (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 * If you wish to challenge my revert please consult the MOS talk page on Chinese related articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

New Page Patrol December Newsletter
Hello ,



It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to and  who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to, , and who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
 * Year in review

has been named reviewer of the year for 2020. John has held the permission for just over 6 months and in that time has helped cut into the queue by reviewing more than 18,000 articles. His talk page shows his efforts to communicate with users, upholding NPP's goal of nurturing new users and quality over quantity.
 * Reviewer of the Year

As a special recognition and thank you has been awarded the first NPP Technical Achievement Award. His work programming the bot has helped us patrol redirects tremendously - more than 60,000 redirects this past year. This has been a large contribution to New Page Patrol and definitely is worthy of recognition.
 * NPP Technical Achievement Award

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Congratulations on the No. 7 hook of 2020!
The 2020 totals are now complete, and your hook for Suara (newspaper) ranked as the No. 7 hook of the year with 2,581 DYK views per hour. A list of the 25 most viewed hooks of 2020 can be viewed at "Top hooks of 2020". Congratulations on your hook's remarkable showing, and keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you Cbl62! Citobun (talk) 03:16, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Shenzhen Bay
Is there any reason why this control point gotta be removed from the Yuen Long district template? Yes there were, please state them in the template's talk page. 203.218.129.244 (talk) 12:26, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have replied on the talk page. Citobun (talk) 12:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Featured article review MTR
I have nominated MTR for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. FemkeMilene (talk) 17:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.  // Timothy :: talk  18:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Shau Kei Wan Government Secondary School for deletion
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CLAUDIA MO

Stop reversing my edits on Claudia Mo's page. I have inserted factual information about her arrest under the NSL, her bail hearing and the fact that she is now remanded in gaol custody for three months. I will add a citation to newspaper reports to support this. It is also a well known fact that she is a controversial politician. If she were not controversial, she would not be facing criminal prosecution for conspiracy to commit subversion. Thank you. Stoatmonster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stoatmonster (talk • contribs) 17:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Suara logo.png
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Complaint about your edits at WP:AN3
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One of these things is not like the others
Hi again, Citobun. Just wanted to touch on something you said at your Hong Kong Free Press protection request: ...Hong Kong media outlets such as Apple Daily, RTHK, and Epoch Times (perm link, bold is my emphasis). Two things stand out for me: 1. As the opening sentence to the The Epoch Times notes, the publication is considered "Far-right" — non-RS: was deprecated on Wikipedia in 2019 (WP:EPOCHTIMES). And 2. Although expressly an "international" publication, I always thought their general locus was more Taiwan than Hong Kong — possibly, a misconception on my part...? Regards, El_C 14:25, 24 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi El_C, to be honest I have never read the Epoch Times, though I am aware it is not mainstream media as Apple Daily and RTHK are. It was on my mind since their Hong Kong printing press was attacked last week, which was big news here. I am not sure of their geographic focus, although Falun Gong street booths are commonly seen in busy parts of Hong Kong, where they hand out copies of the paper, and at pro-democracy protests. Regardless of their editorial slant or reliability (or lack thereof), I think the printing press incident is part of a broader trend of intimidation and attacks against non-pro-government (usually that means independent) Hong Kong journalists and news organisations. Best, Citobun (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting — I was unaware of that printing press incident. Though I wouldn't call The Epoch Times contributors "journalists," except in so far that they are "bad journalists." Regards, El_C 14:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * El_C – I'll be sure to pick up a copy next time to see what the fuss is about :). I just looked at their English homepage and didn't expect it would be so Americentric. Anyway thanks again for the assistance. Citobun (talk) 15:12, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Brain worms at your own risk, Citobun! For sure, glad I was able to help. El_C 15:15, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Reverted neutrality edit on Hong Kong Free Press
Hi Citobun! I recently made a minor edit to the Hong Kong Free Press page to change a sentence credibility rating of 5.56 out of 10 that the Hong Kong Free Press received to make the sentence more neutral. Can you please explain why you have reverted my change? 219.79.0.26 (talk) 15:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, I reverted this edit because it does not seem to me to be an improvement – it appears to remove important contextual information and the reason for doing so is not clear. The original content is not an "opinion" or a "POV" statement (as you wrote in your two edit summaries). It is neutrally worded and is reflected by the cited source. Please discuss further on the article's talk page. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 02:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Halifax
Hi! I intend to make some update of the pl.wikipedia-article on pl:Halifax (Kanada), but I stuck in the beginning of it. First, I plan to update the status of the place according to, so it became not a city (miasto) as it is now, but a metropolitan area (obszar metropolitalny). But there is a problem: in the lead pl.wikipedia-article it stands, that Halifax is the capital of Nova Scotia. I couldn't find a reliable source, that says, that Halifax (metropolitan area) is no more the capital. In pl.wikipedia there will be also an article for regional municipality. Could you help me? User:Paelius 19:58, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Tuen Ma Line.
As of 29th May, 2021, the MTR has announced that it will open on the 27th June 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheIdeasOfPanthers (talk • contribs) 01:55, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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Removal of More citations needed
Hi, you removed More citations needed|date=July 2021 from Melanau people, Divisions section without adding any citations. May I ask why? The section still has no citations. Likewise you have reverted a number date changes I reverted as the users who did them were subsequently suspended from editing due to making unreferenced changes. Please see User talk:183.78.44.154. Sciencefish (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I am making hundreds of reverts of Long-term abuse/Date-changing vandal from Malaysia, apologies if I have reverted a legitimate edit by mistake. Citobun (talk) 09:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please look at these two who have been blocked from editing for changing such dates: Special:Contributions/183.78.44.154 and Special:Contributions/Diane Molly Handerson. You have inadvertantly included me as a vandal and reverted my reverts of these individuals. Apology accepted. Sciencefish (talk) 09:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

LTA
Hey, I saw you reverted the changes to the LTA list so I wanted to explain. I removed the cases that are no longer active, already archived by somebody else (some haven't been active since 2010 or before), or pending, and then went through the pending ones, approved many of them, then added them back. I don't see a reason for undoing that as the vast majority of pending cases that needed to be added back already were (apologies for missing the Date-changing vandal from Malaysia), and the archived ones that are practically useless are cluttering up the page. Even if somebody needed the archived cases, they can all be found here. It'd be more useful if instead of reverting the changes, adding any you deem useful that I missed back to the short list (intended to be shorter, see full list here). I went ahead and set the Date-changing vandal from Malaysia to active. Thanks. 0qd (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks 0qd, I understand and will self-revert. You are correct that it was the Malaysian case being removed that confused me. Since unfortunately he/she is still very active... Citobun (talk) 05:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination declined
I have just declined your speedy deletion nomination for DJ KayWise as a repost of a page deleted at a deletion discussion. The current article is not similar enough to the old one to justify speedy deletion. You may like to take it to WP:AfD again. JBW (talk) 09:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Understood JBW, thank you! Citobun (talk) 11:16, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia For Promotional Purposes
Hi Citobun, I saw you mentioned me under an Administrator's Notice Board sub heading saying I made promotional edits. What is more shocking to me is you mentioned me in the same content you used to discuss sock puppetry. I understand the rules on Wikipedia is to first discuss with a user if you notice any unhealthy use of the platform by the said user before going to Administrator's notice board, I stand to be corrected on this anyway. More importantly, I realized that you mentioned me after I disputed a speedy deletion nomination you made on an article titled Dj Kaywise. Firstly, I created that page a while back because I see the growth of the subject and noticed they didn't have a Wikipedia page. Since I have created it, it has been reviewed and rejected and I have tried to improve on it because I also use articles to improve my knowledge of how Wikipedia works. I need to let you know I had no idea who edited the page recently, how it got reviewed and accepted, I didn't know. I only got a notification that you nominated the page for deletion and I noticed the reason you stated is not good enough to delete the page because the article is not the same as the article that was a subject of deletion conversation earlier. I am the first to state here every time I speak to anyone here that I am not a genius of Wikipedia, I am literally learning on here every day but what I don't appreciate is you consciously or unconsciously accusing me of sock puppetry. If you see an edit I made that seem promotional, it is most definitely an honest mistake because like I said, I am still learning how to edit here. I use only one account since I have been on Wikipedia. Just thought to speak to you about this. Thank you Olakunle Rufai (talk) 08:28, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
Hello ,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our  Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but  there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

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Issues concerned on the page "The Chinese University of Hong Kong" Section "2019 protest conflict"
Thanks for removing "Police violence". Let me talk about something I think is not appropriate in your restored version: 1, Only mentioned police entered the campus and fired tear gas, bean bag, etc, no mentioning the reason: protesters tried to throw objects to block railway and road, and eventually the railway and roads were blocked after police retreats. Which is bias. So I think should add something like "To prevent block of railway and road, the police entered the campus ..." 2, President Tuan's mediation was not directly refused by police. In fact, I think both sides were in tension (such as new attacks by throwing hazardous objects and laser beams by protesters), making it fail. So I suggest directly say it fails and cite proper sources and let readers to judge by themselves. 3, Police retreat by around 13, and protesters occupied the campus during 13-15, which is of course illegally (most faculty members, staffs and students left the campus during these 3 days) 4, Other truths not mentioned: leaving thousands of petro bombs by protesters; Protesters barricaded most entrances and exits, leading to a campus-wide transport disruption.


 * Please make suggestions on the article's talk page. There is a discussion there. Citobun (talk) 08:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Modified Initial System
If you've bothered to read the paper of Ir Joseph Lo et al you wouldn't have called that name of the Harbour Crossing Tunnel "a hoax" - And if indeed that's like a hoax the name of XHT sounds more like a hoax too. As the first subsea railway tunnel in the territory it would be difficult to argue it isn't notable, given that there are other railway tunnels in the territory which got their articles. 202.130.98.98 (talk) 13:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I googled "Harbour Crossing Tunnel" and came up with nothing except the Checkerboard Hill page. It's not an official nor a widely used term, hence why someone repeatedly adding a red link to a made-up name seems hoax-like. Anyway, I don't think it's necessary to split the MIS immersed tube into a separate article unless you have a lot to write about it. Citobun (talk) 00:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

What is misleading?
You claimed my edit was misleading. How was it misleading? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1053170358 I noticed your user page is dedicated to HK and Apple daily. Perhaps your own bias is corrupting your bias to slander me as misleading. 49.179.75.4 (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

IPs
Re this note, an individual likely does not have control over their IP. I don't think it is sockpuppetry. May be better to ask them to sign off with a specific name. Best, CMD (talk) 05:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's just that I have been encountering this individual for some time and suspect the IPs are the same person based on common editing patterns and subjects (e.g. the MTR, Hong Kong place names, road tunnels). But I'm not certain. Citobun (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Mandatory ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is 203.145.95.X harassment, personal attack and possible part of off site canvassing behaviours. Thank you. Matthew hk (talk) 07:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Reverted edits
Hi Citobun, I noticed that you reverted my edits to Valentin Pavlov and Nikolai Ryzhkov a few days ago. I checked the page history to see why my edits had been reverted and it said something about a “date changing vandal from Malaysia”.

Why were my edits reverted? I am fairly new to Wikipedia, so I apologise if I have done anything wrong, but I am not trying to vandalise. Thanks LivingInTwilight (talk) 04:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi LivingInTwilight, apologies, your edits were collateral damage. There is a vandal (see Long-term abuse/Date-changing vandal from Malaysia) who makes a huge quantity of malicious edits that must be mass-reverted, and unfortunately sometimes constructive edits that took place in the intervening period get reverted as well. I try to avoid that but the sheer amount of vandalism that needs reverting makes it difficult and time-consuming. Citobun (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Citobun All good, I see what you mean now. Thank you for clarifying. LivingInTwilight (talk) 07:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

IP edit
Remember to add right level of warning template after reverting legit disruptive edit. WP:AIV path is way easier than WP:ANI. Matthew hk (talk) 04:05, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Why?
Why should I listen to you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.174.157.58 (talk) 04:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hong Kong geography warrior
Just saw the page you put up about this person on LTA. Do you think that rangeblocks would be effective in combating them, even if by a little bit? I've calculated the ranges 116.92.226.224/27, 219.76.24.192/27, and 219.76.63.96/27 for them. wizzito &#124;  say hello!  04:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Also 124.217.189.0/24, 220.246.91.0/24, and 203.145.94.0/23 wizzito  &#124;  say hello!  04:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for looking into that. I am not exactly sure how rangeblocks (or IP addresses in general) work to be honest, but it seems like it might help. If you know how to request those blocks, your help would be much appreciated! Citobun (talk) 04:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Wizzito, rangeblock is not effective as i believe it is not one person but a guild of it, so that you may need to block ALL of the HK ISP, or spend a lot of time isolate which range is more severe and really need a block. I think the "better" method is stating LTA and protect the page from editing and force them to use talk page first. And usually they may post non-constructive stuff in talk page likes personal attack or ranting other people's English, and if that exist, then we can consider also protect the talk page or issue block. Matthew hk (talk) 05:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I strongly believe that everyone that I've added to the LTA page is a single individual. They are too consistent. There are other disruptive IPs active on HK subjects but their interests are different. Citobun (talk) 07:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I second the idea that this is a single individual rather than a group due to the extreme level of consistency in both editing behavior and ISPs used. A rangeblock is probably needed, and it doesn't look like there's going to be much collateral from the ranges they're using. Padgriffin  Griffin's Nest 11:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

HKGW range-tracking subpage
Made a nifty little subpage at User:Padgriffin/HKGW_tracking with some of the ranges that they've been active in. Might be handy to use it to patrol their ranges. Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 01:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)


 * That's extremely useful. Thank you for helping out with this headache! Citobun (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm currently working on improving some of the articles on HK Streets and fixing their infoboxes. I'll try and add more ranges later. Padgriffin  Griffin's Nest 03:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Stop spreading hate on the internet.
I have a received a message from you recently about my WIkipedia edit. You have threaten me about getting banned for vandalism. If you are part of the Wikipedia team, please put me through customer service instead of personal threat. Your behavior is really inappropriate and I'm sad that you think you have any control over other people's freedom of speech. Btw, NO, HongKong celebrates 春节 known as spring festival. Stop using the Lunar New Year term, it has not translation in Chinese. If you think it does, then you go ahead celebrate 阴历 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.107.172 (talk) 20:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

More proof for your misunderstanding: First day of the first month (Lunar calendar)	Lunar New Year	農曆年初一 農曆 doesn't translate to Lunar. You know it. Please stop being aggressive and do the right thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.107.172 (talk) 07:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Public housing estates in Hong Kong redirects
Dear Citobun,

I noticed that User:Onel5969 converted the massive number of Hong Kong public housing estates from their own articles to redirect as per deletion discussion on Cascades, Hong Kong and Easeful Court. Please change them back to their own articles.

They are:
 * Ching Ho Estate
 * Cho Yiu Chuen
 * Fu Tip Estate
 * Hibiscus Park
 * High Prosperity Terrace
 * Highland Park (Hong Kong)
 * Kwai Hong Court
 * Kwai Shing East Estate
 * Kwai Tsui Estate
 * Lai Yiu Estate
 * Model Housing Estate
 * Nga Ning Court
 * Sheung Lok Estate
 * Sheung Man Court
 * Shun On Estate
 * Tai Po Plaza
 * Tin Chak Estate
 * Tin Ching Estate
 * Tin Heng Estate
 * Tsui Lai Garden
 * Wan Hon Estate

Thank you.

Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Rapid mass reverts
Hey what had happened? What are you doing? 1.64.46.233 (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

ANI notice
Hey, another user has brought up your name at ANI regarding some reverts you did in response to WP:HKGW. If you can perhaps stop by ANI and present your evidence that your reverts are indeed of HKGW, it would help us clear some things up. Thanks! -- Jayron 32 16:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.

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I don't get
Before I revert you, could you please just explain what was wrong with these edits? To me, they seem perfectly relevant and correct... Regards, --  Ohc  revolution of our times 20:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey User:Ohconfucius. That IP is WP:HKGW, whom I believe is Instantnood. I block this individual's edits on grounds of block evasion. Some of their edits are constructive, some edits are tendentious or problematic, and some of their edits are vandalism. I just revert them all and report the IPs as I find it the only sustainable way to deal with this person. In this case I totally agree that the company name should in fact be written as Hsin Chong. Citobun (talk) 01:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your explanation. I will revert you on this one, and will be on the lookout for others. Regards, --  Ohc  revolution of our times 06:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, I am reverting this person's edits based on WP:BMB. Citobun (talk) 18:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand that bureaucracy may have compelled to do so. My undoing of your revert was based on pragmatic reasons, because the banned editor corrected errors that existed on the page. Regards, --  Ohc  revolution of our times 20:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Reverts of Article Edits
Noted on your concern on my recent edits to certain articles.

However, I ask that you refrain from reverting entire edits, and make an attempt to indicate which sections you object to specifically, given that there are a number of amendments to the articles in question for each edit.

The justifications you have provided for the reversions are vague, and fail to justify the scope of the reversions. Carter00000 (talk) 01:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Carter00000 (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The discussion is actually at WP:ANI, and I have commented there. Cullen328 (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
 * Backlog drive

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
 * TIP – New school articles

There is a new template available,, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:
 * Misc

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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Allegations of WP:NPOV & WP: MULTIPLEACCOUNT
Given that you have recently made allegations at the Arbitration Committee on me violating WP:NPOV & WP: MULTIPLEACCOUNT, you may consider taking your concerns to an appropriate venue such as WP:NPOVN & WP:ANI. Otherwise, please refrain from making such allegations. Carter00000 (talk) 04:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Arbitration request declined
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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
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Nomination of Ho Ying-chie for deletion
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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello ,

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


 * Coordination: and  have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out.  will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.


 * Open letter to the WMF: The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.


 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


 * New reviewers: The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.


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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
 * There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
 * Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
 * Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello , The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day. won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
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Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from  to  '''

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as and  have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.


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New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
Hello , Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by  and  with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of, and also some patches from , has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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New page patrol October 2023 Backlog drive
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New pages patrol newsletter
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Backlog update: At the time of this message, there are 11,300 articles and 15,600 redirects awaiting review. This is the highest backlog in a long time. Please help out by doing additional reviews!

October backlog elimination drive: A one-month backlog drive for October will start in one week! Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Articles will earn 4x as many points compared to redirects. You can sign up here.

PageTriage code upgrades: Upgrades to the PageTriage code, initiated by the NPP open letter in 2022 and actioned by the WMF Moderator Tools Team in 2023, are ongoing. More information can be found here. As part of this work, the Special:NewPagesFeed now has a new version in beta! The update leaves the NewPagesFeed appearance and function mostly identical to the old one, but updates the underlying code, making it easier to maintain and helping make sure the extension is not decommissioned due to maintenance issues in the future. You can try out the new Special:NewPagesFeed here - it will replace the current version soon.

Notability tip: Professors can meet WP:PROF #1 by having their academic papers be widely cited by their peers. When reviewing professor articles, it is a good idea to find their Google Scholar or Scopus profile and take a look at their h-index and number of citations. As a very rough rule of thumb, for most fields, articles on people with a h-index of twenty or more, a first-authored paper with more than a thousand citations, or multiple papers each with more than a hundred citations are likely to be kept at AfD.

Reviewing tip: If you would like like a second opinion on your reviews or simply want another new page reviewer by your side when patrolling, we recommend pair reviewing! This is where two reviewers use Discord voice chat and screen sharing to communicate with each other while reviewing the same article simultaneously. This is a great way to learn and transfer knowledge.

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November Articles for creation backlog drive
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WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!

The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:23, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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New pages patrol January 2024 Backlog drive
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
Hello ,

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

Recruitment: A couple of the coordinators have been inviting editors to become reviewers, via mass-messages to their talk pages. If you know someone who you'd think would make a good reviewer, then a personal invitation to them would be great. Additionally, if there are Wikiprojects that you are active on, then you can add a post there asking participants to join NPP. Please be careful not to double invite folks that have already been invited.

Reviewing tip: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages within their most familiar subjects can use the regularly updated NPP Browser tool.

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