User talk:Cjflame

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with American Council for Accredited Certification. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. This is an automated message about, where you removed the deletion template from an article before the deletion discussion was complete. If this message is in error, please report it. Snotbot  t &bull; c &raquo;  09:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

American Council for Accredited Certification
As you have discovered, repeatedly undoing another user's edits in an attempt to force one's own desired version of an article into the encyclopedia is pointless- the other person can revert just as easily as you can. That's why Wikipedia has a rule against doing that- No Edit-warring. Instead of edit-warring, at Wikipedia, we discuss and reach consensus on an article's talk page, with a goal of creating a version of the article that is entirely neutral and verified by reliable, independent sources. Right now, the two of you are flipping back and forth between an article advertising this organization and an article vilifying it. Neither version is neutral, and neither is supported by any reliable, independent sources. The time has come for the two of you to stop edit-warring and start actually creating a good-quality encyclopedia article. I suggest that you start by discussing, on the talk page, what facts about this organization are actually verified to be true in reliable, independent sources, and work from there to create an article that meets Wikipedia's standards for verification, neutrality, and accuracy. I've protected the article from any more editing for one month. That will give the two of you plenty of time to decide together what a neutral, verified version of the article will say, and what sources will be useful. If you have trouble reaching consensus, you might find the advice at WP:DISPUTE helpful. Good luck to you both. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * FisherQueen: Since EarthPro/Envision3 is a competitor and is repeatedly "vilifying" ACAC (to use your own words), there is no possibility of us working together to achieve consensus. As ACAC contemplates legal action against EarthPro/Envision3, what are the chances that the article can be permanently deleted? -Cjflame (talk) 18:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, people who disagree can work together in good faith to create a good article- see Talk:Abortion and its archives for examples of people who deeply hate each other's guts working together for the common good. Just as she must accept that she can't attack the organization here, you must accept that you can't advertise it here, and then you can both work together to decide what's verifiably true.  I tend to agree with you that the organization isn't notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia article anyway; if you agree, just review the notability criteria and then explain your reasons for supporting deletion at the deletion discussion page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, dear- I just noticed your legal threat. If you're suing the other person, or threatening to, then Wikipedia policy requires that I block this account until the lawsuit is finished.  Do you want to unconditionally withdraw the threat?  If you do, just post something here clarifying that you have not sued the other person, and have no intention of suing her in the future. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC)