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List of automotive superlatives / Buick GSX
Hey ClRedwolf,

You recently added the Buick GSX to the List of automotive superlatives as an honorable mention for most torque, naturally aspirated. I removed it and I wanted to tell you about why so you wouldn't think it was just arbitrary.

First, on the list we generally reserve honorable mentions for cars that would have won the award, except for a special circumstance. For example, the Radical Motorsport SR3 is listed as an honorable mention for most power per unit volume, because while it produces greater hp/L than the Honda F20C engine, it is generally not considered a road car.

Second, the GSX is not in the top rankings for the award. The Dodge Viper also produces greater torque, and there may be others (the Bristol Fighter S also does, but it uses a tuned Viper engine so that may be a little unfair).

Third, prior to 1972 car manufacturers measured gross power and torque "using a blueprinted test engine running on a stand without accessories, mufflers, or emissions control devices. It therefore reflected a maximum, theoretical value, not the power of an installed engine in a street car." As a result, cars prior to 1972 compare poorly to later cars. Because it's a different measuring method, and not just a different unit, there is no direct conversion between gross and net. Net tends to be about 80% of gross but it varies. The GSX would therefore produce approximately 408 net ft·lbf of torque, taking it far out of the rankings.

Anyway, we appreciate your contributions and hope you continue to hunt down statistics on the fastest, biggest, smallest, and best selling cars. TomTheHand 14:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)