User talk:Claire.louise99

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Anti-Vivisection Coalition
Hi there, and thanks for your edits, but could you please provide a reliable source supporting your claims? As far as I can see, Molenaar and Flies are part of the ADC, which is listed in Nature as a separate but related organisation. Thanks, J Milburn (talk) 10:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Danny and Robert are Chairmans of ADC and AVC! We work under them, if you like. We are one organization! If you would like to contact Danny to get further information, please do feel free to contact him. He is email is on our website http://www.stopvivisection.org.uk/contact

I have made the edits to represent that we are an international organization. AVC is one part of a wider organisation campaigning against animal testing. We are the 'UK branch' if you like and this will become more apparent in the future, as we grow and work on international campaigns and investigations.
 * Hi Claire- I do realise that the various organisations are all basically one, but I wrote the article specifically about the AVC as the sources I was using referred to it separately from the others. Perhaps we could write a separate article about the ADC? I'm basing this on what Alison Abbott writes in Nature:

...animal-rights activists have continued their fight. They have honed their activities for greater media attention and have delayed implementation of the directive in several countries. Animal-rights organizations now focus on policy-makers rather than scientists, says Robert Molenaar, campaign manager for the Coalition Against Animal Experiments (ADC), which operates in the Netherlands and Belgium. The ADC is concentrating first on monkey research in universities, he says, because it is an easy way to get press coverage and influence political opinion.

Yes well we now have the UK and France. Nature has it wrong. If you want to contact Robert and ask about this then please go ahead. We really are trying to let people know we are an international organisation. Not really sure what else I can say. I work for AVC, and have edited the Wiki article correctly.

The ADC is also forging international links and works closely with a sister organization in the United Kingdom, the Anti Vivisection Coalition (AVC), headed by Luke Steele. ... “Researchers themselves tend to be traditionalists who are not open to alternatives,” he says. “I realised we need to go for policy-makers.”

Luke is no longer the Head. See the website. Feel free to ask Luke about this. I've spoken to him only an hour ago about the Wikipedia article and we all agreed it was accurate the way I edited it. Again, not sure what else I can see as this is the fact. Please can you also remove the section about Lukes imprisonment!!

Sister organsation/same organisation. It is one organisation. This is the fact, Again. We ask that you edit the piece to reflect we are one. Even if we have been called a sister organisation, we request to be called one and you can ask Danny, Robert and Luke about this.

The AVC and the ADC were the main drivers of the Stop Vivisection Initiative, a petition calling for the EU animal-research directive to be abrogated and animal research to be banned altogether. The petition, launched in November 2012, collected more than a million signatures across the EU within a year. The signatures are now being verified; if they pass, the initiative will be granted hearings at the European Commission and the European Parliament.


 * Does Abbott misrepresent what is going on, here? Is it instead the case that the Coalition Against Animal Experiments refers collectively to the AVC, ADC and others? J Milburn (talk) 19:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

As I say, I edited it correctly. We are requesting the edits, as it is a Wiki page about us.

Luke was going to contact you to ask if you wanted to join AVC, but I have tried explaining to you how we want the Wiki page and I've got nowhere. Please contact Luke about this is you have other queries.

Thanks
 * Hi Claire- I'm sorry you're having a hard time here, but the article can only include information that's already out there. Edits which are being made to the article are introducing information which is contrary to what's listed on the AVC website, nevermind on third party sites. That's the difficulty I'm having here. I'll see what I can do about finding some sources which are consistent with what you're telling me. J Milburn (talk) 22:40, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I've sent Luke an email. Again, I can only apologise if I've come across as difficult to work with- I'm just trying to keep the article Wikipedia-friendly! J Milburn (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2014 (UTC)