User talk:Clairos

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Happy editing! Davide King (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Der Föderalist
Hi, thank you for editing to the table of the projection of the seats of the Italian MEPs, however I was undecided whether to add Der Föderalist as a source because sometimes the sum of the seats is not always correct: instead of 76 seats, as it should be, the sum of the seats is 77 or even 78, as in the last projection. Let me know your thoughts on the matter Broncoviz (talk) 09:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes you are right I hadn't noticed it before. I went to check and I noticed that sometimes the number of Italian MEPs does not add up to 76, even if the total number of MEPs is correctly 720. So, regarding the use in the table, I don't know how to decide: we could leave only the projections that have a total of 76 or or eliminate all those of Der Föderalist. Perhaps it would be better to discuss it in the Talk of the page so that all those interested can see it. Clairos (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply, I will discuss the matter in the Talk page. Happy New year! Broncoviz 🗩 🖉 21:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Number of seats per European political party
Hi @Clairos, I saw your additions to the pages of the EPP and PES. Europe Elects is marked as source, but I cannot seem to find the exact numbers of MEPs you indicate for these parties. Where are those figures from? Thanks! Julius Schwarz (talk) 10:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, yes I used the Europe Elects page for the 2024 results, in the "Projected composition: Members of the European Parliament". For the 2019 elections I searched for the results and membership, coming up with the result. However, now that you ask me, I found a more complete source here that I will add to the pages. Clairos (talk) 12:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I actually contributed to the page you linked to, and am right now contributing to its update. However, I would still not recommend this as a source, as there is some guesswork and subjectivity (more for votes than MEPs, but still).
 * Instead, for 2019, a better source would be the official figures provided by the APPF, but the lists provided on the APPF's website only go back a few years. You can find older official data here.
 * For 2024, as indicated in the banner at the top of the page of each European party, I would recommend waiting for official figures to be published by the APPF. As I said, we are working on figures now and this may serve as estimates, but official figures (by the APPF) are really the one valid source for this. Julius Schwarz (talk) 12:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion! I will therefore use the European Party Funding Observatory, since it seems to be a complete and official source. I think the only difficulty is the differentiation for the seats won by the parties in 2019, since the election was for 751 seats, but there was at the same time the reapportion of 27 of the 73 seats of the UK. Clairos (talk) 13:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The EPFO is still itself a secondary source and it is not an EU project, but indeed it relies on official figures and the data is openly accessible. As for the Brexit-related issue, I think your table is fine, with the breakdown before and after the UK's departure. The figure listed for the financial year 2020 comes from the end of 2019 and should work as value post-election, while the value for 2021 is the first on record after Brexit. Julius Schwarz (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw your changes. I want to see whether there are figures closer to the beginning of 2020, let's see. In the meantime, though, it's probably better to leave empty the results for 2024, unless we have a good source for it (which I do not think we have yet). Julius Schwarz (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

June 2024
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