User talk:ClaraeFranco/sandbox


 * Dilnoza : Clara, I will leave my feedback on your talk page of your sandbox if you don't mind. But let me know if want me to give my comments on Live article.

Whichever you prefer Dilnoza, thanks! ClaraeFranco (talk) 19:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

1.to divide the first part into subsections? (to make it easier to read for wikipedians) 2.to include statistics data: percentage of Obstetric violence by countries? For example, Mexico - 38,1%, Brazil - ..., Venesuella - ... This video might help you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZgLJ_MYQmo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnigmonova (talk • contribs) 11:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Dilnoza: Clara, this is very interesting topic. And thank you for raising awareness of obstetric violence. Just a few suggestions:

Dilnoza, thank you VERY much for this video, I had never seen it!!
 * Clara's response

However, I don't think it might be a good idea to present data by countries, as you suggest. This is because, even though the data about caesaeran sections are available per country, it is very hard to tell how many of those caesareans were unnecessary, and among those, which could be classified as "violence" - one could presuppose that we could simply substract the "recommended" or "normal" percentage of caesareans from the number of total caesareans (like the figure you present for Mexico: 38.1% of births happen by C-section); but that would be the equivalent of saying that every unnecessary C-section is a violent act, and that is simply not true: many women choose them for their own comfort or to decide the date of birth. Yet many others are coerced or even forced to have a C-section. I think it is very hard, therefore, to separate the data, and that putting numbers that might obscure the realities of violence could be very messy and prone to misinterpretation.

Besides, other forms of violence (such as verbal violence or dehumanized treatment during birth) are much harder to quantify, yet they also constitute obstetric violence. Thank you very much for your comments! ClaraeFranco (talk) 22:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I did not want to divide the first paragraphs because they are more introductory, and it's not easy to separate the information into topics (such as Caesarean sections, episiotomies, etc), but rather I have talked about all of them together as POSSIBLE elements in obstetric violence. Medical interventions are not violence by themselves, they can SOMETIMES BE if women are coerced into accepting them when they are unnecessary. That's why I wanted to talk about all of them together. If I separate by topics, it can give the idea that every episiotomy or C-section is violence, and that is false. Thank you very much for your suggestions Dilnoza!! ClaraeFranco (talk) 23:47, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, for ease of reading as you suggest, I have added another sub-division called "The fight for a more humane and respectful birth".