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There is some interesting information on User Pages at User page. Here is the list of Userboxes, and this is some Wikipedia information about Userboxes. Yours, Smee 04:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

The Barnstar of Good Humor

 * Feel free to post to your user page and/or leave on your talk page as you see fit, except of course this part itself. Smee 05:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Nice article!

 * Council on Mind Abuse. I think I saw some citations for that in some archived news articles somewhere...  I will dig them up...  Smee 07:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Dude thanks. It was hard to establish the notability of a defunct anticult org, I hope I did that job at least. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ClaudeReigns (talk • contribs).
 * Sure looks like it to me. Btw, I think looking a teeny bit that this Mr. Howarth guy would be easier to get lots of citations on then that last article... Smee 07:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Yeah, I see that for sure. COMA was necessary to some understanding in the GCAC thing.  Trying to work outwards from both sides of that issue. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ClaudeReigns (talk • contribs).
 * You can sign your comments with four tildes, like this. ~ .  Yours, Smee 16:23, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

DYK

 * Congratulations! Smee 18:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC).

WOW
Hey ClaudeReigns, that was a remarkable job on the GPN page. I don't have the time to do much more than get a ball rolling on most articles right now. Thanks a bunch for gettin' 'er done. Nswinton 15:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Have removed image and don't plan on contesting deletion. ClaudeReigns 20:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me?
I'm sorry, but are you actually calling this edit "vandalism"? Funny, how it hasn't been reverted yet, even though there have been nine edits since then (including one by you). And then you have the temerity to ask me "don't delete discrete and applicable links to article Jesus within WikiProject:Christianity"? Let me cite some relevant policies: WP:AGF, WP:NPOV, and WP:OWN. If you want to accuse someone of vandalism, be sure it actually IS vandalism before you do so.  howcheng  {chat} 16:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reverting with link to Jesus. ClaudeReigns 20:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

McCotter Image?
Hey ClaugeReigns,

Have you seen any good (wiki-legal) images of McCotter yet? The only one I can find online is from Maverick Jets, and I'm pretty sure they're not gonna give me permission. I see that you're still planning on doing an article on him, and figured you'd be the person to ask. I was hoping to get an image of him up on the GCA article. Nswinton 21:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, and it's bugging me. I know of some people to ask, but sofar nobody who has a copyright to a J.D.M. picture has budged.  I suppose we could always just stalk him and take one ourselves LOL ClaudeReigns 04:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I uh... know a guy... I'll have him contact you.  Is there a good way to talk to you off of wiki?  You can find my contact stuff on my userpage. Nswinton 15:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * ClaudeReigns 16:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The people I know will send you the stuff they have when they get around to it. Nswinton 20:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, my codename is "Igloo". LOL!  ClaudeReigns 20:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Mine is "booger" :S Nswinton 15:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Makin' any progress on the article? My friend told me he sent you an image the other day. Nswinton 16:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

No, no progress. Running into some issues obtaining a free use image, and even my fair use options are a bit shaky. ClaudeReigns 21:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Because the bajillion red links to McCotter are driving me crazy, I'm thinking about starting a stub on him. Should I hold off till you can pull stuff together (hoping for a DYK?), or should I go for it?  Nswinton 21:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, I saw the DYK this morning. Nice work. Nswinton 13:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

GCA Article
Hey ClaudeReigns,

Nice job on the article this morning. That pic was a great start. Stop by my userpage in a bit and you'll see a list I'm making of sources of good GC* pics for the article. I'd love to have you contrib to the list so all of us editors can have a central place to search/work from. Nswinton 15:34, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

F. F. Bosworth
Hey, I just noticed the work you did on this article. Nice work on the infobox and the image. I had wanted to add one a while back but ran into copyright/webmaster issues... Anyway, thanks for the contrib. Nswinton 16:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Good revised first paragraph on Bosworth - now flows a lot smoother, etc, and contains all of key ideas that are good to have up front. --JGEdit4567 (talk) 04:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

GCC Board members
Hey dude, sorry 'bout all the talk page spam i'm giving you today. I think this is a recent update to the GCC site. Might be a helpful source for some of your up and coming articles. The GCC history section has been expanded as well with a few internal links. Ok, I'll leave you alone now :) Nswinton 23:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You sure? I could swear they read my Tom Short bio LOL.  My usual modus operandi is to pick a subject, Google "Subject's Name"+news and go crazy with the first 10 hits.  Except of course if there's a source which immediately comes to mind.  D.B. looks so different from his pics in The Cause.  ClaudeReigns 02:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * FYI, I heard back from the GC* folks, and we've got permission to use images from www.gccweb.org. Nswinton 19:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sweet! I'll leave that to you since you're the one who got word.  Do you think they'd consider a free license like GNU or Creative Commons? ClaudeReigns 21:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I don't know hardly anything about GNU or Creative Commons (I had to go look up CC to know what you were talking about). I'm still a wiki-noob in several ways.  I'll read up some more and look into it.  I'll probably learn quite a bit adding some images to the GCA article in the next few days.  Looks like there's been some excitement lately on the Tom Short article, huh?  ;) Nswinton 21:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes, there has :D You're welcome to try and help balance the PoV, right now the only stuff I have to add is more bad mojo (police interactions).  If you have "5 Crucial Questions about Christianity" (I don't yet have a copy) you are definitely welcome to summarize his points, I think it would make him feel a little less like we were trying to pee in his wheaties to have that included.  I know Smee quickly archived those posts, and maybe it would help if he knew we still have record of the conversation going, or else he might think we deleted the whole thing.  I have the conversation archived and ongoing here in case he might get directed to the right place to talk about his concerns (hint, hint) LOL.  Not exactly desiring an email relationship with Mr. Short, but definitely willing to address his concerns and enhance his PoV.  ClaudeReigns 23:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I emailed him this afternoon and I'm gonna try and help mediate things. I know Tom personally and went to staff training with his son-in-law.  Tom is actually a great guy IRL.  I know the story behind alot of those things on his article (I read the article a while back and kinda chuckled, because there's definately two sides to everything, but Tom's side is much less documented.  Up to this point I haven't even considered wading into the article, especially given my obvious POV.  I try not to make edits where my POV can come through onto the article.  I gave Tom some pointers on what can be done to improve the article, and what can't be done (in terms of communication style, etc).  If I end up helping him out, I'll probably spend 3-1 time on the discussion page versus the actual article.  Have you ever seen Tom preach in person?  Nswinton 02:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, once. Not on campus.  He's good at telling personal stories.  Most of what I "know" is admittedly secondhand. ClaudeReigns 03:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

GCA infoboxes
Hey ClaudeReigns,

What do you think about having both of these on the page? Put the main one at the top, with the Background linking down to the timeline one (which would be in the Background section). This is just a proposal. What do you think? I'm putting this on Gatorgalen and Xanthius' pages too for their input. Lemme know on my talk page. Thanks dude. Nswinton 16:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

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Good work on the expansion. --  howcheng  {chat} 19:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ClaudeReigns 01:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Wizard Shazaam star proposal
I just commented on your barnstar proposal that if you changed the name of the barnstar you would probably be able to get a lot of the oppose votes to disappear because the image is really neat. IvoShandor 09:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion
Your opinion is requested at Articles for deletion/List of groups referred to as cults (5th nomination) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xanthius (talk • contribs) 02:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Images
I saw this history:

If you have having an issue with a free image, as opposed to a fair use image, you may wish to first upload that image to Wikimedia Commons, at http://commons.wikimedia.org, and then to refer to it on Wikipedia. This will make things easier to refer to on multiple projects, but can only be done when dealing with "free" images and media... Smee 09:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC).
 * yes, I don't think that constitutes as a free image. I am constantly looking over image pools for free images to do with the articles I edit, but usually I end up getting practice in writing Fair Use rationales.  The Ronald Enroth picture is something Xanthius obtained and uploaded.  It's a really good case for Fair Use.  I don't think anyone will fault us for it.  It doesn't have a specific Free Use license attached to it (though that in general seems to be Enroth's wish from the letter Xanthius linked), otherwise Wikimedia Commons would be an awesome place for it.  Honestly, I don't think I've been able to convince a single image source to license under CC or GNU, which is weird.  I drop a lot of emails.  But next time I get my dirty mittens on a free use image, I will definitely swing by the Commons first. ClaudeReigns 10:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometimes government sources are good for finding free images / public domain documents... In the coming decade, it will be most interesting to witness the increase in electronic availability and pervasiveness of information from these "public domain" sources onto the internet...  Smee 11:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

F F Bosworth Article
You might want to re-edit the F F Bosworth article. I added some new info, but am not familiar with formatting requirements, length of sections, etc., and part of the last section on his ministry remains hidden in the editing page, and doesn't show up in the main screen. There is a book which fills in a lot on F F Bosworth's early life - Fred Francis (Joybringer) Bosworth by Eunice M Perkins, where most of the new info came from. Also, there are a couple other items mentioned as sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.150.69.210 (talk) 04:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Saw the recent work you did on the F F Bosworth article - good job and well broken out headings. Last paragraph on Zion still doesn't show up, and the full heading on Ministry still can only be seen from the editing page, but even at that its a big improvement. Not sure what can be done to fix the link to the part that doesn't show up, but I suspect you probably have something on the go for fixing that.

Response
Please note that I have responded to your rather frivolous accusations. You could at least try to discuss the merits of my edits; there were only two reverts btw. Gatorgalen 03:21, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

"Discussion of the merit of your three deletions is ongoing at Talk:Larry Pile. The actual listing of each of those three deletions exist at both the links above. ClaudeReigns 08:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)"

It's interesting that you waited until afterward to begin discussing. There were three edits listed by you, but only two were reverts. The first was not a revert, but rather I looked over the entire page and made an edit I thought was fairly simple and straightforward. It was reverted, I reverted; it was reverted, I reverted. Then it was reverted again, and I quit. So three reverts for you and Xan, 2 for me. Suppose if this were an edit war you'd be winning. Gatorgalen 19:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

In the first edit I listed, you reverted User:Xanthius' addition of the Pile article. The administrator counted three edits reverting the article as well. You went to North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics? O_o ClaudeReigns 20:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Clarification: The "simple straightforward edit" was a deletion of information, i.e. a revert. ^.^ ClaudeReigns 20:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh how quaint, looking up additional info on me. Indeed, I did attend that prestigious school whose motto is "Accept the Greater Challenge". As usual, I encourage you to look things up before talking - it'll make you seem smarter. If you'll look at when Xanthius edited it, he added a lot of things. You're suggesting that any edit is a revert, essentially. Which is bogus. Xanthius added several things at once, I tweaked it. Not a revert. Also should not be objectionable - if an administrator comes in there they'll delete it on the spot. There's really no question here. Gatorgalen 21:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

At this point I think you're talking to yourself because what I hear is "blah blah blah". Your deletion of that data is a revert and an admin counted it as such. Did you have any point to be here on my user page except to argue with me? Since we're not accomplishing anything beside an "is so is not" kind of squabble, I've got nothing further to say to you here. ClaudeReigns 23:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a bit much to say that "an admin counted it as such" given that he dismissed your claim out of hand - I mean, it clearly wasn't a violation because even if it had been a revert that would have made 3; in case you missed it a 3RR violation is more than three. Your accusation was empty and rrivolous, and was counted as such. Look in the mirror. I came here to defend myself against false and baseless accusations. Learn to discuss like an adult, please. Gatorgalen 01:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I pretty much gave up on having a discussion with you some time ago. The only discussion you want is people agreeing with you or bashing GCA. It's sad, really. We worked well together for awhile, but then you threw away any pretense of neutrality and refused to even discuss most things. Very sad.Gatorgalen 01:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The monologue continues
Just checking ClaudeReigns 23:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I think he thinks we're still having a discussion. ClaudeReigns 01:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

anonymous
Hey, just FYI - I honestly don't share the beliefs of the anon guy that commented on the GCA talk page recently. I'm guessing you and Xanthius are dudes from Decomm, but so am I - and I can sympathize with some of the stuff there. Please believe that his viewpoint is not the only one in GC. Things ARE changing. I blushed when I read his comment, because I'm sure he reinforced a stereotype. I'm sure we can all work together to make a legitimate, honest, balanced, high-quality article. I posted this on Xanthius' talk page as well. Have a great day! Nswinton\talk 13:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

FYI new article
Just created/wrote new article you might be interested in, as you wrote the one on Council on Mind Abuse. Cult Information Centre - currently sourced to citations from (32) reputable secondary sources. Yours, Smee 09:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Do me a favor?
I see that you have already taken an interest in the article I created, PSI Seminars. When last I left the article, it was sourced to (17) reputable sourced citations. I see now that there are (16), so I guess one has been removed. I have stepped back from this article and taken it off of my watchlist. Can you do me a favor and take a look at the article yourself once in a while, and please notify me if it goes to WP:AFD? I am taking a break myself from the article, but the main few things I was concerned about were whitewashing, removal of material backed up by reputable sourced citations, and a possible nomination for AFD. Smee 13:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC).

Grey DeLisle
Please go to Grey's Page. I have written something there for you to read about people changing her birthday. Sheila

Great Commission Association
Hey, long time no see. There's a discussion going on over there that you might want to participate in. Hope all is well. Nswinton\talk 22:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Galen Wood
I just ran across your article in your notes. Fun. I especially like the sketch, which actually isn't that bad. Well sourced too. Not sure where you got that birthday though. Also, if you'd like I can give you a better picture for free use. Did you make that sketch/ I'd like to have a copy, it actually does somewhat resemble me. Gatorgalen 22:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Dude, you should give me a shot too, are you taking requests? I'd love to see an article on me sometime.  There's at least 6 people with my name right now, though, so be careful.  Nswinton\talk 03:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * This fair use rationale should be so obvious any HUMAN should see it.... I'm not wasting any more time on that trivial article just to prove this to a ROBOT.  Delete it if you think it will make wikipedia better.  ClaudeReigns 08:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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Jim McCotter
Question ported from own talk page:
 * A few months ago you expressed your opinion about the Jim McCotter article. I was checking to see if those concerns had been addressed. ClaudeReigns (talk) 11:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The concerns are very well addresed, and the quality is very much improved. 1000 thanks! Said: Rursus ☻ 15:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

YWAM edits
What qualifies as a fact? If everything is on YWAM's website, does that work or what references are you looking for? Lots of it is in books too. Is it required to list each page number or just rely on the website that has references. Is there any organization that has 16,000 employees that does not have some of the difficulties you've described?Keiko234 (talk) 08:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Please provide references. Unreferenced statements may be removed. ClaudeReigns (talk) 10:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Further clarification for the uninitiated...Claims of notability where credible and unchallenged may be made by the article's subject and used as a source. For other statements which do not pertain to the subject's notability, other third-party sources must be used.  Thank you for acknowledging the concern.  I will be removing unsourced statements shortly, if no considerable effort is made to provide sources. ClaudeReigns (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

How do you define subject's notibility? Keiko234 (talk) 15:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Been thinking this over for a long time like a koan. I don't define the subject's notability. Reliable third party sources do. ClaudeReigns (talk) 08:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

fyi
The CBC broadcast a one hour public affairs show, part of its long-running Fifth Estate series about the abusers at Abu Ghraib, entitled "a few bad apples". Geo Swan (talk) 08:49, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice subpage
I like this subpage you made--Angel David (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL thanks... I don't think his wikipedia page does ol' J.C. justice. ClaudeReigns (talk) 05:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:ParisHiltonBeatsTinyCharms.jpg
Hi, I have deleted this image as it was infringing on copyright. If you check the comments at the flickr source page, you'll notice that the uploader did not own the copyright to this photograph and that it was recovered from stolen property. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Everyone knows parody is protected under copyright law. That was not the original stolen image. It was modified by the Jackace to depict Paris Hilton beating "Tiny Charms" and therefore his/her property. ClaudeReigns (talk) 05:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a derivative work, protected under the original copyright. I'll undelete the image and post it on WP:IFD for further review. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please comment in the discussion. Thanks ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed that this image is licensed under cc-by-nc-2.0 at the flickr source. I've re-deleted under WP:CSD as a non-commercial use only image. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 05:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

KKI
Why is it not notable, thousands of youth go through this program every year. Several locations had over a thousnad each. Saksjn (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The notability has to be established by a reliable third party. It sounds like it is very notable--but it needs references. I don't want to delete the article, but it should be cited so someone else doesn't. Thank you. ClaudeReigns (talk) 18:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, just post it on my talk page next time so that I can see your response, thanks. Saksjn (talk) 14:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Rios Montt ref at YWAM
The Efraín Ríos Montt article appears to indicate that abuses got worse under under Montt's regime. Paul foord (talk) 12:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Somehow the firefox search is not finding the initial instance for Rios Montt. I see you have it covered. Paul foord (talk) 12:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Mike Wiley
Hi, I've just responded to your query concerning my edit to the Mike Wiley article. Wish I could provide helpful advice concerning the Sun. As far as I know only fairly recent content is available on-line. Victoriagirl (talk) 16:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Institute for Religious Research
I've indicated three publications which have noted the organization. You have the article listed for speedy deletion for non-notability. I could definitely see where you might propose an AfD as controversial, but the A7 criteria for speedy deletion seems a bit of a stretch. Please comment at the article's talk page. ClaudeReigns (talk) 15:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on the talk page as requested. Just a gentle nudge that way :) Excirial ( Talk, Contribs ) 15:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * (I also removed the CSD warning template from here. Since its incorrect i don't think that it should clutter your userpage. Im not trying to hide the fact i made a mistake on this one though, so if you want it back, do so by all means :-) )

Wendy Yoshimura
Your changes / additions look very well rounded. I think people will be happy with the current state of the Wendy Yoshimura article. Thanks for asking. Proxy User (talk) 22:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Intelius
Your name was removed. As for the articles, my intent is (I think...) the same as yours, to clean up a messy article. I tend to be a perfectionist in matters like this. I am bothered by the "angry speculators" remark, and the edits on the page have not reflected such (although I will admit to posting one time, out of curiousity, speculation regarding uses of Intelius, which was immediately reverted, and I have not and will not attempt further uses, which I hope opting to not post anonymously has helped convey). I am content with the new article, and as I said in the talk page, I more than welcome acclaim to Naveen Jain on his wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragan651 (talk • contribs) 09:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

There was no effort to remove the statement as much as there was an effort to restore a contested statement, and in the cases I removed the phrase, it was always noted with a reason. Furthermore, I did not consider it an edit war as much as an effort by two editors to improve an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragan651 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Truce
While I contend that the statement does not belong, I am not really willing to get into a prolonged fight over a trivial reference. In regards to the "concerted effort", there was none, there was me when I was logged in, and there was me when I forgot to login (to be perfectly honest, I had even forgotten my password, I haven't edited in some time). I have requested a third-person review. As for this issue, consider it done and other with. Have a good night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragan651 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:AGF
If you ask for third opinions, you will get third opinions. Also note that I do not edit any articles related to Scientology. I have removed your comment from my talk page, and if you have further disputes consider other venues for WP:DR. Happy editing. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 18:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy shit, when did I rub that magic lamp? Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse! ClaudeReigns (talk) 06:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh for fuck's sake! Forgive my mistake, now I know where I know you from. We didn't get into it in the past. My mistake. You are not a Scientologist. ClaudeReigns (talk) 09:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems the admin likes to vanish notices of his RECENT cult-related activity as well. ClaudeReigns (talk) 16:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Raul Castro
Thanks for your message re the 3R rule and this article. I have attempted to discuss the issue with the other editor involved, but s/he simply reverts the article without responding, as can be seen at our respective Talk pages. You will also note that I said in my last comment that I would not be reverting again today, but would instead submit the issue to an administrator. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 06:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Look forward to having some gazpacho and mulling this one over. ClaudeReigns (talk) 06:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Someone has just pointed out to me that, according to his user page, Therequiembellishere‎ is aged 14. That explains a few things. I don't wish to be unpleasant to children, but if they want to play with the adults they have to expect to be treated accordingly. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 07:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hehehe as you can clearly see above, I have been accused of failing to Assume Good Faith. Which means that when I see someone use age as an excuse, it fits the profile of others who have lied about their age on the internet to get some slack. That's just my perspective--I'm a skeptic. I know a perfectly serious and well-conducted editor, User:Saksjn, who can't possibly be "of age" but does well by not edit warring, using talk, and seeking other opinions. So I don't see how that has any bearing on a discussion of Raul Castro. Were we discussing Hannah Montana, it might lend him some authority. Does it change how you and others feel about your having called him "stupid" though? Probably better to call the edit stupid and spare the ad hominem. ClaudeReigns (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your intervention on this. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 07:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

huh?
Dear Claude,

I have no close relation with Jossi. He is just an admin who is familiar with these articles and he holds an institutional memory on all of the edit wars and other issues with them.

I have no problem with a neutral, balanced article, and would be happy to contribute to that. And, at no time have I called CultFree names despite his persistent edits doing just that to me (as well as making libelous -- thanks for the tip -- statements that are completely untrue about me being paid by the group and/or a member when I'm not). I have not accused him of anything other than being biased because his username is biased, as others have noted (like as I might, I think many would find a user name GeorgeBushFreeWorld biased, because it shows I am inherently against George Bush0.

So, I hope this makes sense to you. All I want is civil discourse and efforts to create truly balanced, neutral articles. Thanks, Renee. Renee (talk) 20:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks for dropping by. Civil discourse is not an end in itself... probably why I'm finding the community lacking in straight talk and CFW being such a breath of fresh air in light of the recent embarrassment. I don't think his latest psych evaluation of you was very fair either--but it totally had me laughing.


 * Now knock off the wikispeak. Loaded language is one of Lifton's big eight and I don't buy in. I think at this point people being forthright with Where They Are Coming From And How They See Things is a good thing. Specifically, the reduction of CFW's argument, which you repeated, is off the mark. The reason I am typically against the bad guy fallacy is that it is thought-stopping. Acknowledgement that social structures can reduce free thought, and the verbal identification of those social structures can be helpful--and not necessarily as prejudiced as the strawman argument which you've taken up from the anonymous user would indicate. I think to bandy about the term "cult" without as specific explanation also can be perjorative, and yet another arrest of critical thinking.


 * Civil discourse cannot trump critical thinking or the Project will fail. Less wikispeak and a thicker skin will allow experienced editors to Look Beyond The Limits Of Rule Boundaries. I am all in favor of CFW writing a terribly biased article about a religious group I've never heard of involving some nutty court case--in a temporary space to be reviewed by peers. Once the article gains existence and he realizes We Collectively Own It, then I will look forward to observing the result which will necessary quickly approach neutrality simply because Widely Noticed Things Balance More Quickly.


 * Sorry if my current observations and wishes do not match current policy. You may Assume My Best Wishes For The Project, if you wish, for it is so. But a skeptic like myself assumes very little, and wonders, since you brought it up to me, how you make your money. ClaudeReigns (talk) 07:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear Claude,


 * Thanks for the thoughtful response. I agree that there should be a range of discourse with many different viewpoints to create a neutral article, but at some level there has to be a mass consciousness or unspoken agreement (civil society) that we all are really striving for a balanced article.  Otherwise, the whole premise of Wiki fails, because it takes just one person who refuses to adopt that ideal to disrupt the whole system, because they are incapable of looking at the good in addition to the bad.  For instance, I am sure there must be some dissertations on the group in question in India, but more than likely they're neutral or positive, so they are dismissed by CFW whose own user name implies he is on Wiki to promote a POV.


 * The second issue is probably more relevant, and, that is that we HAVE gone through the whole Wiki process on articles on this topic with discussions on exactly the same sources and issues (this version was basically lifted from a blog I found). The process you propose is good if it goes through several iterations and then ends up with a relatively stable article, but that wasn't the case here.  People would work on it in good faith coming from all sides and then one extremely anti-person with a stated POV like "cult free" would come on and create havoc.  All of the arguments made in this most recent page's short life have been made at least a hundred if not a thousand times on previous talk pages over years.  Just to give you the history, to try and solve it we made the article a stub and then tried to work out from there (finding reliable sources).  Then, we broke it into several articles so that the groups wouldn't fight and made those stubs so each group could find reliable sources.  Still, there were endless edit wars with people trying to use blogs or extremist sites as evidence (with no concurring sources anywhere).  For example, the previous incarnation of CFW (who probably is CFW) actually argued that a newspaper article found libelous and false by a court of law was a reliable and verifiable source simply because it was described in court documents -- he argued that because it appeared in a court doc it must be true and then he ignored what the courts said about it (again, the courts found it false, libelous, and that the newspaper failed to engage in proper fact-checking procedures). Ultimately, 7-8 editors plus several admins watching from afar came to the conclusion that there were currently no reliable, verifiable sources and thus it was deleted.  I write this so you can understand the whole context of the article topic.  This is why I contacted Jossi when I saw the new (same) version posted again, because he holds an institutional memory of the past several years on the article.  It's lunacy to repeat history over and over. (did you see movie Groundhog Day?)


 * Ultimately, every time this happens I'm grateful to see that Wiki really does work, though while I'm in the midst of discussing a source for the 8,768th time it is easy to wonder if it's ever going to end. There are blogs for people to say whatever they want, source things the way they want, offer their analysis and opinions.  I hope the ideals of Wiki can be maintained.  p.s.  I'm a retired professor, currently a writer, which makes Wiki a form of procrastination to real writing...Renee (talk) 13:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "We broke it into several articles so that the groups wouldn't fight." Please explain to me how this works? I have never heard of forking as a practice to avoid edit conflict... though I have heard of forking used to eliminate information. I am also unsure why the judgment of the court as to the libellous nature of documents does not satisfy Our Desire To Include Only Verifiable Information. Such a thing, it seems to me, establishes what Group X isn't (and at least implies a claim as to what the group is). Attempting to interpret your statement of self I might imply your possible preference for academic sources in over journalistic and legal sources. I find the conflict between a legal and journalistic source to be interesting. I wonder if there is an article about that incident in itself. Obviously the 8,768th discussion of a topic doesn't make it inherently notable, but it suggests it.


 * My intuition about the nature of Seeing Things As We See Them is that nearly all editors come here wishing to display the clarity of their outlook. Though some fortunate few will come to see the importance, scope and long-term impact of the Project and buy into the aims, many will continue to nurse a perspective. Having tried to step outside that box and write from the opposite side on a few articles, I think it is a richer view. But don't let me pretend I no longer possess bias! The myth of the Million Neutral Clones quickly washes away with a year on the project and seeing the conflict of very real opinion on a near daily basis. Everyone Can Edit but Not While Admitting Their Prejudices must needs cede to some new order where Civilly Reconciled Opposing Points of View balance the articles. Real life example: many people seem to think that racial relations are now better in the South (where biases have traditionally been in the open) than the North (where bias is less exposed). But I like your example of the particular situation.


 * I saw Groundhog's Day. It seems that the main character did rely on a kind of "institutional memory" but he never got out until he Made It Happen. This seems like an article that wants to Happen. So when occurance 8769 manifests, then I'd be happy to take a peek. I'm a disaffiliate from an evangelistic Christian movement possessing a quite skeptical but somewhat tolerant view of most religion regardless of cultural orgin with a particular curiosity towards all religions: Is it ethical in practice? So that's my take. I think I hear the alarm clock going off now. Pair me up with Ned Ryerson and off we go. ClaudeReigns (talk) 07:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, believe it or not, I was kind of exaggerating when I said the 8768th time...just a little wee bit...just a tiny, tiny bit...okay, a lot...the reason I focus on academic sources is because I know from experience they go through a very careful vetting process, and dissertations go through an especially rigorous process of verification, so one can bet they're pretty reliable... regarding the libel, seems to me that information found by a court of law to be untrue and false is by definition unreliable and unverifiable. Anyone can make up a story and get it published. How's this? Mother Teresa's convent is really a front for Afghan opium dealers and the food in her kitchen is spiked with heroin. (this is made up, don't sue me!) Say a newspaper published that, the Catholic church sued and the court ruled it was libel.  Would you put this in a Wiki article about Mother Teresa? For me personally, accusations and inuendo are for blogs, not something that is being used by schoolchildren for research projects.


 * Ned Ryerson, huh? I was thinking I probably do need some life insurance....Renee (talk) 13:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I'd put it in the wiki article about the source and link to Ma T, especially so editors can caveat emptor when they check the source for new citations (as I am usually careful to do when using a new source). But the schoolchildren can go watch smut in b&w at pornography, so I'd say ixnay to the implications that it wouldn't fly because of audience. This reminds me of a previous conversation with User:Justanother, if my horrendous memory serves me well. Just because I latch on to something as seemingly important/unimportant as a minor libel case about an article which causes incivility during its quotidian creations and destructions doesn't mean that I always have a definite bold answer to its treatment. The problem is the apprehension of passersby that there's Something We're Not Telling. This will continue to be the reaction as long as someone has a reason with support to believe that there's a "David Copperfield" here to make the sources disappear. And when I walk by an article that's been once deleted, I think "There's an article I could make fly"; when I see a bountiful article deletion log, I think to myself, "Here's a great chance to make tons of enemies writing a good article that will be ripped to shreds by our community." :D So naturally I can nearly remember the name of the subject that got us talking. And I remember seeing a source that was a college newspaper. What do you think of college newspapers as sources? ClaudeReigns (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

hmmmm....interesting on the porno site....I wonder if Encyclopedia Britannica has an entry for that? Re deleted articles, some just aren't notable enough and keep getting re-posted as a vanity PR site or by those with an axe to grind for the site. I think that's the case here. I checked out some other eastern meditation groups's sites on Wiki and they all have full books and journal articles and academic dissertations on them. Depending on the college the paper might be okay (do they have a vetting process?) but I don't think it's enough for an article yet. I've been working the AFD rounds pretty consistently so have gotten a good idea as to what's notable and what's not. You should try them out! They're a nice break from regular Wiki work. If you want to see some impressive deletion logs, take a look at these here and here.

Hey, if you were so inclined, I'd be interested in your take on the Alice Bailey page. It seemed pretty neutral and then a contingent of Jewish editors found it (it was posted on one of the lists for them to come and take a look at it) and imo slanted it into a negative article. The woman did say some anti-semitic and racial things things that should be reported. But, the problem with the article is that those things are featured when they compose less than 5% of her total writings, so her main topics get obscured. Anyways, if you have the time or inclination I'd be interested in your take on it.

Thanks, Renee Renee (talk) 21:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Threw down an edit on the intro consistent with my work at Criticism of Mormonism. Also can tell that notability is going to need to be established for a lot more of this. Bailey is given a mighty big soapbox for the note given. Example, "The spiritual Hierarchy, Sirius, Venus, and Shamballa" noting author gets one sentence, Bailey gets the remainder of the two paragraphs. The same pattern follows in the next two paragraphs about discipleship. Will need to examine these sources for affiliation--for where they are affiliated with Bailey, they are primary sources and should be treated as such.


 * This is an interesting article; one of the astrology books (an ephemeris or table of houses) I used to have was printed by Lucis Trust. Still hard to evaluate without a deeper study of the subject matter and a who's who. Sorry about the nasty tags, all the articles I jump into look worse before they look better. I'm the handraising jerk my teachers hated :D ClaudeReigns (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Alice Bailey article
Please do not changes to the article without discussion. If you take a look at the talk page you will see how hard the editing process for the Alice Bailey article was. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 12:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * hmmmm....WP:OWN comes to mind. Malcolm (aka Kwork has a long history on this article.  Good luck with this one, I'll move any further comments to the talk page.  Renee (talk) 13:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Renee, you misunderstand. What I hope for is that caution will make it possible to avoid another difficult seven months of contentious editing. I also want to point out, Renee, that your assumption of my bad faith is uncivil and contrary to Wikipedia guidelines for editors. Please cease such incivility. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * dear Malcolm, My apologies if my comments seemed uncivil -- not meant to be. I've put some comments on the talk page.  Claude's edits were so minor and then you jumped on him with the note above that it seemed to imply some sort of ownership of the article.  The assumption of good faith goes both ways my friend.  Renee (talk) 13:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Renee, you wrote "you jumped on him". I did not jump on him. My note was two sentences, and I pointed out that there had been a contentious editing process....which this exchange between us will make demonstrate well enough. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 13:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the Alice Bailey article.
Renee is misrepresenting the history of the Alice Bailey article but I will not go into that right now, I will merely hope that your intentions are as pure as you claim they are and assume good faith on your part. :Albion moonlight (talk) 01:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sure everyone has their own way of seeing things. That's why I wanted to be upfront about where I'm coming from. Still learning the topic and getting a feel. Thank you for the welcome. ClaudeReigns (talk) 05:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Alice Bailey, sources
Before you go any further with editing the Alice Bailey article, I suggest that you think about what I have already said their, but which may get ignored:

"The problem remains that there are no scholarly sources that can be used as a basis for an Alice Bailey article (which does raise the issue of notability). Most of the sources actually used in the article, are from either Alice Bailey herself, or non-scholars who worship in the Church of Alice Bailey, or New Age advocates who think anything connected with the New Age movement must be good. Other sources focus on her racial views, on her antisemitism, or her views on Christianity. There are no books that have been written about AAB that are of the nature of the Richard Noll studies of Carl Jung, or K. Paul Johnson's scholarly studies of Theosophical Society literature. As a result one administrator who participated for a while in editing this article, Vassyana I think, thought it would be better to reduce the article to a stub rather than use unsound sources. Others, such as AnonEMouse, thought it okay to use the sources we have, and build the article on that. At this point, I am willing to live with it either way. What I am not willing to live with is including the non-scholarly AAB worshipers, and excluding those sources that question her perfection. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)"

There are no scholarly studies that have been made of AAB, and any changes you make will run into all the same problems unless that issue is resolved. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the headsup. I am still willing to work with the sources extant. I just want to give greater clarity as to what those sources are. If you'll notice my chaotic user page you will note that I am not by nature a deletionist. On topics of religion it isn't easy to dismiss authors because they have a particular point of view--that's the nature of religion. Therefore I cling tenaciously to good attribution. The Jew will see his voice sourced, the Christian will see his voice sourced, and the Occultist will see his view sourced, and provided there is no undue weight, there should be no dispute as to balance. Forgive me if you don't see me working in your favor yet. You haven't whispered your outlook to me. As in all things, I assume good faith and natural bias and hope all sides will be well-served.


 * When I say that I am not a deletionist, I do not mean to say that I do not support a good faith effort to delete poorly sourced material. It's just not me who will be pulling the trigger. For a deletionist on this article, I'd suggest a well-rounded sweep of the worst sources, which I am all too happy to point out with my attribution efforts. While material remains, any newcomer should have ample opportunity to understand if the material comes from a particular "side". I'm still holding hope that some published occult expert will be able to shed a little light. But do what you have to do. I do not oppose you. ClaudeReigns (talk) 03:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Have you seen this?
I had no idea there was a whole portal. This is interesting too. And this looks like a lot more fun than the afd's I've been working on...Renee (talk) 00:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Re working the RFC
Hi Claude, Per Jack A Roe's comment on the RFC, I would like to take a stab at re-working it to reflect content only? Is this okay with you? I know you put a lot of effort into it.

Regarding Malcolm, he has loads of knowledge on the topic and I think his weariness in repeating what he has said before months ago shows in his responses to you. You had listed several sources that you had questions about earlier and I don't think you ever got a response about them individually. Perhaps you can re-ask the question for 1-2 and see what happens? I've noticed a huge change in his responses and attitude toward me and feel we are working together nicely and think he's eager to do that with everyone, because this article has been such a drain in the past on everyone. Renee (talk) 23:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Claude,


 * Per my post above (and following Jack-A-Roe's suggestions) I redid the RFC completely to focus on content and then archived the old RFC discussion as a permanent record. If you have a problem with this please revert, but I hope it is okay with you.  Any comments that focused on user are now on permanent record in the archive.  I think this will build good will and am hopeful that Albion and Malcolm will respond positively.


 * I have left in your original comment and mine and classified it as biography. Thanks for your hard work on this.  Renee (talk) 23:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Great, I look forward to seeing it. ClaudeReigns (talk) 03:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Richard Abanes
Does not remotely seem to qualify for speedy. Try cutting it back, or, if you disagree with me, using afd. DGG (talk) 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. ClaudeReigns (talk) 05:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Youth With A Mission - red links, dead/false references
There appears to be a number of false, dead, outdated and/or (apparently) misleading links and references in the Youth With A Mission article.

As you seem to have done a great amount of work on this article, I'd like to first request that you verify a number of the articles references. Although some seem ripe for deletion, I do not want to ruin your previous research and notations. Is this the place to have this discussion? Or should we move it to the Youth With A Mission article notes?

Also, I noticed you undid my deletion of the "Athens Three" red link cleanup. I deleted this deade link after consulting Wikipedia's red link guideline: "If you think no article with that title should ever, ever exist (or if the article has been deleted), you can remove the link. It's perfectly fine and indeed encouraged, to leave red links to useful potential articles, as a signal to other editors that the article needs to be created. "

If you have added a red link with no meaning, the you should, as Wikipedia advises, "If the article referenced by a red link deserves to exist, you can start it and then mark it as a stub." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delhiwallah (talk • contribs) 11:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Gave reasons at the talk page of that article. Google it and get back to me there. ClaudeReigns (talk) 11:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

GCCM
I saw the different version proposals, but haven't had the chance to really figure out which is best. Plus there's been no rebuttal or comments at all from Gatorgalen since I started looking into it. It's on my to-do list, so just give me a bit more time. Dreadstar †  02:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. ClaudeReigns (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Criticism of Mormonism
You may want to weigh in on |Descartes1979's recent comments and reverts at the Criticism of Mormonism article. --TrustTruth (talk) 17:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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This was moved to commons, but ran into problems... Can you PLEASE talk with someone from Wikimedia Commons urgently? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:42, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The move seems to have been executed without referencing the original image source URL, a Flickr page. Find the Flickr page and you'll find the explicit permission to license as free GNU image. Sorry, images are such a hassle now that I scarcely have time for them, much less a separate registration on Wikimedia Commons. Good luck! ClaudeReigns (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

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This is your first formal warning for the mess you're trying to create here. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 09:36, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I was trying to correct the problem the template noted. I did try to find the consensus and have discussed this on talk. Please also assume good faith. What is your specific objection? ClaudeReigns (talk) 09:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Greetings, Claude!
Grandma loves you too! Amandajm (talk) 10:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

hehehehe! Thanks! ClaudeReigns (talk) 19:07, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
I've been quite rude in some of my comments. I see you've not said anything since and hope it wasn't because of this. I offer my sincere apologies. Skullers (talk) 18:13, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We're cool! Glad you're part of the project! ClaudeReigns (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources about the Nakba
I've just been given some titles by User:Pluto2012 to review in my effort to understand multiple viewpoints about the topic. I definitely encourage others to add to my reading list as well. I hope that they are sources that conform to WP:RS, or in the very least, sources which would be considered neither spurious nor vague. What are you reading? ClaudeReigns (talk) 10:49, 5 December 2012 (UTC) Adding
 * The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, Benny Morris
 * critiques thereof: "Myths, Old and New" by Norman Finkelstein and A Critique of Benny Morris by Nur-eldeen Masalha
 * Yoav Gelber, Palestine 1948
 * Rosemary Esber, Under the Cover of War
 * Morris, "Response to Finkelstein and Masalha" to check for true consensus. ClaudeReigns (talk) 11:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If you interested in criticism of New historians you may try this --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 20:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Fascinating! I found dialogues between Karsh and Morris to be an entirely constructive debate. While I agree with Morris that Karsh is not meaningfully conciliatory, Karsh is able to contextualize Morris' claims in an entirely logical way. I haven't seen Karsh challenge what I consider to be some of Morris' more important claims. But the process is superior to Gelber's. Thank you so much for an important reference. I plan to discover what Karsh has to say about April and July '48 as soon as I get my hands on the text itself. Again, thank you, Shrike. ClaudeReigns (talk) 04:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is a Karch view on what happened in 1948.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 07:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at reviews on Amazon I noticed Ben Alofs, a doctor who has worked in Palestinian camps in Lebanon recommends highly the Rosemary Esber book you've listed above - "This study focuses on the final six months of the British Palestine mandate (from November 29, 1947 to May 14, 1948),- Understanding the unfolding events in this period is essential to comprehending how approximately 800.000 Palestinians became refugees.

The Palestinian historical narrative has been echoed to some extent by Israel's "new" historians (Simha Flapan, Benny Morris, Ilan Pappe, Tom Segev, Avi Shlaim). But the latter's excessive or even exclusive reliance on Israeli archives has limited their narratives and conclusions. Palestinian perspectives on the war critical of Israel have remained relatively absent from historical discourse until fairly recently. For a full understanding of what happened the voices of those who became refugees are indispensable. Rosemarie Esber's "Under The Cover Of War: The Zionist Expulsion Of The Palestinians" is an important addition to the recent literature of the Palestinian Nakba"Sayerslle (talk) 15:56, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Her book is on the top list, and almost certainly my next read. In fact, I aim to occupy a library today. ClaudeReigns (talk) 17:54, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * i wrote that before i noticed you'd started an article on Esber - btw - have you seen The Promise (2011 TV serial) - thats a dvd ben alofs recommends also - its from the viewpoint of a british soldier watching the events unfold i think. Sayerslle (talk) 02:22, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Captain Miles
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Prepositions
Not really. I just kind of "do it". Any decent dictionary should be able to help you when there's a verb involved, but in this case there wasn't, which makes it difficult. Deb (talk) 18:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In a twisted way, I guess there is, since "consult" is the root verb. Your commentary is very clarifying, since I had not examined the predicate-preposition relationship critically. Rather, I seem to have been intuitively guessing at which prepositions might help to make their objects most impactful. ClaudeReigns (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Benghazi 2012 attacks
Hi, sorry I did not respond to your original comment on my talk page or add anything to the article talk page when I made the latest changes. No excuse other than limited time and laziness. Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. I think the article needs a lot of work to reduce bloat, make more NPOV, and include fewer right-wing op-ed sources and more neutral sources. I am just chipping away a little bit at a time. PeaceLoveHarmony (talk) 17:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I hear you. It will be tough to use some sources, I fear, because of the HuffPost source about media. Anything which isn't contentious still works fine. I assume there will be some disagreement about what constitutes reliable sourcing at this point, so it may be advisable to keep an eye on who's printed corrections/retractions, as that actually lends credibility. ClaudeReigns (talk) 17:11, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Good point. Is Huffington Post considered a reliable source? My perception is that their news articles (non-opinion pieces) sometimes emphasize aspects of a story to bolster left-leaning viewpoints. I don't think the bias is as extreme or obvious as, say, the right-wing bias in "neutral" articles on Fox News websites, but I haven't really analyzed it in any objective way to see if that's accurate. PeaceLoveHarmony (talk) 17:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the perception is that when a left-leaning source reports about other left-leaning sources, it's of note and likely to be cited elsewhere. They do publish retractions, an important criteria at WP:NEWSORG. Per guideline: "Whether a specific news story is reliable for a specific fact or statement in a Wikipedia article will be assessed on a case-by-case basis." This has a broad bearing at everything we do at the article. Can we further verify the statements made? Or, does a verify tag apply? These are questions we should be asking. In the case of the HuffPost article, it relies on citations of many news reports and events which can be checked for accuracy. Any good challenge to a citation ought to have a basis in facts we can check out, in my opinion. I'm in favor of any process where we are critical of news sources in general instead of accepting them prima facie.
 * Case in point: once, we were citing a Glenn Beck interview with a former SEAL who stated emphatically as fact that POTUS was watching the event unfold for hours. I pointed out Obama's appearance schedule for the day through many more reputable news sources. I reverted and the reference has not returned. ClaudeReigns (talk) 18:31, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Al-Nakba: The Palestinian Catastrophe 1948
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Just so you know...
Here is the lead to the Jerusalem article that I proposed over a year ago, and reproposed two or three months ago:


 * Jerusalem (יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, Yerushaláyim, ISO 259-3 Yrušalaym, "Abode of Peace"; Arabic: القُدس  , al-Quds [al-Sharif], "The Holy Sanctuary"), an ancient and modern city in the Judean Mountains, between the Mediterranean Sea and the northern edge of the Dead Sea, is, as it has been for the last 2,000 years, the focus of conflict: the seat of Israel's government, and claimed by both Israelis and Palestinians as their exclusive capital; holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians alike; divided in space between national and religious groups living in wary and sometimes violent proximity, and divided in time between modern skyscrapers and ancient stone dwellings, still inhabited after hundreds and thousands of years.

Remarkably similar to yours. It died, along with at least a dozen other suggestions for improvement, in the maelstrom. I wish your suggestion better luck - so far it seems to be faring well. --Ravpapa (talk) 12:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not just an intro, it's an ode! You adore her, don't you? If I owned this encyclopedia, I would just let you write it. :) I am merely, humbly interpreting the encyclopedia's policies with the intent to flesh out a dispute about a city I have never seen with the hopes that a hypothetical detente in factspace might ripple out into the world. But you... you are making love to her. That's art. Yes, I must amend myself, but not in the pen of Rumi. It should be enough to work a minimal revision knowing that weighty and reliable sources of many points of view wish to keep her whole. See? I'm inspired. ClaudeReigns (talk) 13:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I despise the place. It is the world capital of hate. --Ravpapa (talk) 15:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * LMAO Let's put that in lede! You want should I aim HAARP at it and call the matter settled? ClaudeReigns (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Jerusalem: The fourth wall
Can we talk? Israel has a capitol in Jerusalem. Palestine wants a capitol in Jerusalem. This is not to brag. Israel proclaims their capital is Jerusalem. Palestine proclaims their capital is Jerusalem. For the most part, the nations of the world are having none of it. Confused yet? We, the editors of Wikipedia, have struggled for nine years with a controversy: not over a piece of Jerusalem, but how to begin to talk about it. Leave your comments at Feedback at the bottom of the page. For now, suffice it to say: the United Nations has identified Jerusalem as one of the five core issues in the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Here's why it's so important....

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Re: Timeline of the investigation into the 2012 Benghazi attack
I didn't want to do much to it, for fear of objection. The contributions that I removed seem to have been later disproved, or the only sources I could find were theories from the political blogosphere, not actual news reports.
 * It's fine. I noticed that although your trim reverted, the reverter thought better of it and decided to self-revert back to your trim. ClaudeReigns (talk) 00:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bashar al-Shatti
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 * I've replied on the template. This is a pretty thorough run-down on the roadblocks I've encountered. Thanks for following up with me. ClaudeReigns (talk) 23:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
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Let's Chat
Hey Claude, long time. I see you're still active. I'd like to talk to you about some things off of wikipedia, but not sure how. You obviously know a lot about me and I don't even know your name, but here's some more info about me - my email is galenwood at gmail, and my cell is three five 2, three one 8, zero five seven 6. Hope we can talk soon, and that you had a great Christmas and New Year's. Sincerely, Gatorgalen (talk) 04:48, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

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Proofread another article?
ClaudeReigns Howdy! I haven't looked recently at new notes about GCM related stuff (I'll try to catch up on Tuesday), but I was chilling today and decided to edit and update a local article for the University of Illinois. It was a stub, and I think I added enough info to remove the stub, so I did. If you had any time, I wondered if you'd glance at it and help me note any mistakes or weird things? I've just appreciated the wikipedia experience you have and figured you could help. For instance, I'm not positive I did the template thing right. (however if you're busy or it's not your thing, no worries at all). Article: Alma Mater (Illinois sculpture) Chris.ridgeway (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
I have no idea what you're talking about. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

+1. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

+1. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Moved it over to Talk:All Hallows' School, because I can't continue a conversation in two places. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I actually think that you're looking for WP:NLIST, not WP:BLP? In any case, be WP:BOLD. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 08:01, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I love lists, and always source them. It's entirely appropriate for a school to list its notable alumni, and for the article here to do so as well. If they had and I had found it, I'd have just cited. ClaudeReigns (talk) 08:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I prefer only to add alumni where I actually find a mention of them, myself. In any case, see below for your good work (even if I had no idea what you were talking about in the first instance). &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 08:17, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

The Citation Barnstar

 * I didn't take that personally. I indeed do have a fluffy white cat in my lap. I call her Epeefleche. ClaudeReigns (talk) 08:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. You've done better than he, though, by finding the citations (and a couple would have been hard to find) and raising the issue on the talkpage. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 08:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Fran Bailey
Hi! I'm not sure how you would like me to verify the reference for the school for Fran Bailey. Would a quote help? - Bilby (talk) 12:39, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If another editor could possibly check your work, that'd be great. I do not have access to that print source, and I'm hoping an Aussie might take a quick peek as time permits. ClaudeReigns (talk) 12:42, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Another solution would be to provide a scan as Michael Bednarek did at Ellen Fanning. ClaudeReigns (talk) 12:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Given that the title of the article is "Life so far for an All Hallows girl", I wouldn't have thought that there was much question that it says that she attended All Hallows. :) I'm not quite sure what more we need - I can't provide a scan, as technically that would be linkvio and I don't have a physical copy. But it is listed in ProQuest if you have access. I have a second source that also mentions she attended All Hallows - would it help if I added that as well? - Bilby (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, either will work. No dice on ProQuest :/ ClaudeReigns (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * For print articles you have to WP:AGF that the citation is correct. Providing scanned versions is not required by WP:CITE or any other policy or guideline and would be an inappropriate breach of intellectual property. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 13:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Guideline AGF does not override policy V. I can request verification, thus the existence of the tag. You absolutely need not provide a scan. ClaudeReigns (talk) 13:14, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure you can request verification on offline sources. In this case, it means heading to the nearest library that carries SMH. Unless you have a reason to doubt, AGF. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 13:24, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd call two and a half years without a source on a BLP a good reason to ask for verifiable sourcing. You use AGF a lot, but you need to know that it also means assuming I am demonstrating good faith by insisting that our content absolutely conforms to the policies of the project. I went ahead and found an immediately veriafiable source for the content for which I am interested. Have a good night. ClaudeReigns (talk) 13:31, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What? I'm talking about information that has been referenced with an offline source, i.e., a source in a newspaper or a book or something else that can't be accessed. WP:V does not require that sources be accessible in order to be "verified". In this case, verify refers to the content being verified by the addition of a source. Once that source is given, even if it's an offline, the content satisfies all requirements. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 14:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, the semantics of 'verify'. Verify means users can check and see if the information is correct. I didn't assume that the information was unverifiable, I just felt that given the sourcing problems, we'd better have another editor check and make sure the source exists and that it reflects what is written in the article. 'I've verified my source' does not fulfill WP:V. It doesn't mean that I have to be the one who verifies it. I admit the source is probably good. Just dotting the i's and crossing t's here. Or do you want to keep fighting over this after all the improvements I've made to a very poorly sourced topic tonight? You've done your work. When someone else checks it, the nasty little tag you hate will go away and we can all be happy. ClaudeReigns (talk) 14:19, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that you need to check what WP:V means. It does not mean that the source has to be verified. The specific section is WP:PAYWALL which states that the "ease of access" for a source is beside the point. Nowhere does it say that the source itself has to be verified, just the content. As I said above, I think you've done great work tonight, but this is an issue that could cause problems for you in the future. I'll leave it at that. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 14:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think if it were going to cause problems for me, it would have caused problems at 2012 Benghazi attack where I happily removed 70,000K of sourced information with consensus or at any number of articles about the Israel-Palestinian conflict or the counter-cult movement. I conform to WP:BLP with peer-review every time I submit a biography to DYK. It's not asking too much to ask to be assured that other editors are doing the same. So threaten me if you will. I am not scared. ClaudeReigns (talk) 15:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Look, I don't care, except to say "what threat"? Seriously... <span style="font: Tahoma, Arial, San-Serif; font-size: 8pt;">&tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 15:08, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you didn't care, why is there a giant argument on my talk page? I was done with your topic area many replies ago. I was done with the conversation many replies ago. Is there anything else I can help you with? ClaudeReigns (talk) 15:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Morriswa RfC
He hasn't been creating or designing templates. He's been using scripts to perform automated edits to articles. You may want to amend your comments to reflect that fact.  Imzadi 1979  →   04:52, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I really apologize for that. It appeared to me based on the naming of the template that it was one that the user himself had designed. I have self-reverted, and make no warrant that I will understand the issue better in a timely fashion, but do hope to contribute constructively to the discussion if a deeper understanding will permit. Is that okay? ClaudeReigns (talk) 05:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Accusations against you

 * Hi Claude: You are being accused of being "me" see Sockpuppet investigations/IZAK. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 22:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Looks like it's already closed with a decline to checkuser. I wonder, though, why did the actioning user danjel not notify me himself? One should always notify a user if one names the user in a behavioral matter. I'm glad you were able to notify me in his stead. ClaudeReigns (talk) 21:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Danjel
I guess that an ArbCom case request may be the next step if nothing can be solved at ANI. — ΛΧΣ  21  00:16, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have any lasting grudges, nor do I have a recurring motivation to return to editing Australian primary and secondary school articles. I perceived that he had implied a desire to come looking for me outside of his normal topic area, and that is now out in the open. My experiences with danjel were not positive, and there were calls for a block, so I recognized the weight of those calls at AN/I. I think the majority of impetus for further action revolves around perceptions involving an account danjel opened so that Junior High School students could learn about Wikipedia. This is something to which I have no objection . My concerns with danjel revolve around haranguing users for what they do in good faith - and I don't perceive this will be solved by my becoming part of the problem. ClaudeReigns (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Jerusalem RfC discussion: step two question
Hello everyone. I have asked a question about having drafts versus general questions at the Jerusalem RfC discussion, and it would be helpful if you could comment on it. I'm sending out this mass notification as the participation on the discussion page has been pretty low. If anyone is no longer interested in participating, just let me know and I can remove you from the list and will stop sending you these notifications. If you are still interested, it would be great if you could [ place the discussion page on your watchlist] so that you can keep an eye out for new threads that require comments. You can find the latest discussion section at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion. Best — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 04:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. This is just a quick message to let you know that unless there is significant ongoing discussion, I intend to wrap up step two in a few days, probably on Thursday 31st 28th February. I invite you to have a look at the discussion there, especially at question five where I have just asked a question for all participants. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:36, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Benny Brunner
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Proposed closing of Morriswa RFC
Hi, ClaudeReigns. As a person who has commented in the above RFC, your input on a possible closure of the RFC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Morriswa would be appreciated. Thank you. --Rschen7754 05:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Jerusalem RfC discussion: step three
Hello all. We have finally reached step three in the Jerusalem RfC discussion. In this step we are going to decide the exact text of the various drafts and the general questions. We are also going to prepare a summary of the various positions on the dispute outlined in reliable sources, per the result of question nine in step two. I have left questions for you all to answer at the discussion page, and I'd be grateful for your input there. Best — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 08:52, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Motion to close RFC/U
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Request for clarification regarding Jerusalem RFC
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Jerusalem RfC discussion: finalising drafts
Hello. We have almost finished step three of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, but before we move on to step four I would like to make sure that all the participants are happy with the drafts that we have chosen. The content of the drafts are likely to dictate what ends up in the actual article, after all, so I want to make sure that we get them right.

So far, there hasn't been much interest in the process of choosing which drafts to present to the community, and only three editors out of twenty submitted a drafts statement. I have used these three statements to pick a selection of drafts to present, but we still need more input from other participants to make sure that the statements are representative of all participants' wishes. I have started discussions about this under question seven and question eight on the RfC discussion page, and I would be grateful for your input there.

Also, there have been complaints that this process has been moving too slowly, so I am going to implement a deadline. If there haven't been any significant objections to the current selection of drafts by the end of Wednesday, 8 May, then I will move on to step four. Questions or comments are welcome on the discussion page or on my talk page. Best regards — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 03:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback from Technical 13
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Requesting your assistance at Talk:2012 Benghazi attack
There have been some recent changes to the lead at this article, 2012 Benghazi attack. I found them questionable, and reverted them so a discussion could be had on the talk page. Since you were helpful in the earlier development of the lead, I was wondering if perhaps you could comment on that editor's criticisms (Cirrus Editor), and my own thoughts, at the talk page. Thanks. RGloucester (talk) 18:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Jerusalem RfC discussion: step four
Hello everyone. We are now at step four of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, where we will decide the details of the RfC implementation. This is the home stretch - the RfC proper will begin as soon as we have finished this step. Step four is also less complicated than the previous steps, as it is mostly about procedural issues. This means it should be over with a lot more quickly than the previous steps. There are some new questions for you to answer at the discussion page, and you can see how the RfC is shaping up at the RfC draft page. Also, when I say that this step should be over with a lot quicker than the previous steps, I mean it: I have set a provisional deadline of Monday, 20th May for responses. I'm looking forward to seeing your input. Best regards — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 12:55, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Jerusalem RfC discussion: final countdown
Hello again, everyone. I have now closed all the questions for step four, and updated the RfC draft. We are scheduled to start the Jerusalem RfC at 09:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC). Before then, I would like you to check the draft page, Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and see if there are any errors or anything that you would like to improve. If it's a small matter of copy editing, then you can edit the page directly. If it's anything that might be contentious, then please start a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion. I'll check through everything and then set the RfC in motion on Thursday. Best — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 16:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Jerusalem RfC has started
Hello again everyone. We have finally made it - the RfC is now open, and a few editors have chimed in already. The discussion is located at Requests for comment/Jerusalem. I'm sure you don't actually need me to tell you this, but please go over there and leave your comments. :) You are the editors most familiar with the Jerusalem lead dispute on Wikipedia, so it would be very useful for the other participants to see what you have to say. And again, thank you for all your hard work in the discussions leading up to this. We shall reconvene after the results of the RfC have been announced, so that we can work out any next steps we need to take, if necessary. Best regards — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Jerusalem RfC: breakdown of results
Hello again everyone. Now that the Jerusalem RfC has been closed and there has been time for the dust to settle, I thought it would be a good time to start step six of the moderated discussion. If you could leave your feedback over at the discussion page, it will be most appreciated. — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 09:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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December 2023
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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * reverts and repeatedly suggest this has happened multiple times, which is untrue. Your revert was beside the point, which is that there is a UN investigation based on preliminary corroboration. We are supposed to have an international and neutral viewpoint, and handwaving Al Jazeera as one of the few sources actually reporting on the ground, despite some of their number being killed by the IDF, doesn't accomplish this whatsoever. I assure you I searched in Hebrew for a response to the allegation and ongoing investigation. None exists. ClaudeReigns (talk) 10:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Tone down the rhetoric
Rhetoric like this inflames discussion far more than it leads to compromise and consensus. Please tone it down. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Hiiii! Welcome to my page. I'm a bit rusty but I believe this is the part of the consensus-building process where we reveal bias. How do you feel the page is going? ClaudeReigns (talk) 14:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no opinions on the page, and haven't read it in any detail, aside from reviewing possible 1rr violations and edit warring. I'm not part of the consensus building process, I'm an uninvolved administrator letting you know your behavior was out of line. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * We'll definitely need someone who is part of the consensus building process and understands not only the topic area but also the editor dynamics involved. Is it true that you topic-banned a user at the point of warning while they were experiencing a personal loss? Is it true that the editor in question is Palestinian? Is it true that you openly negotiated this tactical posture for lack of knowing an alternative? Are you qualified to explain the concepts of information war and Hasbara as applies to Wikipedia? I've made a splashy entrance in controversial topics of all kinds before, never topic banned, and proceeded to find agreement and get things done. I hear your warning. I have discussed your warning in talk. Talk is proceeding normally without incident. ClaudeReigns (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In line with this, I would add that stuff like Nominate Al Jazeera as RS of the year 2023 (or even pretty much every comment you have made here) are not really conducive to building an encyclopedia; they verge far too close to WP:NOTFORUM and WP:NOTADVOCACY.
 * Please tone it down and focus on the articles. BilledMammal (talk) 04:58, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Gentlemen ClaudeReigns (talk) 07:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * "Is there a limit to the violence I can link and of any sure provenance? Should severity or instances be limited? To twee? Also, too twee? Can you handle tender and mild sweet baby Jesus on a heart monitor? At what point does the community object to field intelligence? Do these need trigger warnings?" -ClaudeReigns
 * There is now approximately 3,000 words of this type of commentary on the talk page by ClaudeReigns. It's not conducive to actually improving the article and there are obvious issues with it; could we please tone it back and take a look at WP:NOTAFORUM? I left comments on comments which are just clear forum discussion of the topic, so I thought I should leave something here as well. Chuckstablers (talk) 05:44, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Gentlemen ClaudeReigns (talk) 07:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the big picture.
 * 2010 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups
 * 2023 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-07-18/ty-article/.premium/fake-wikipedia-accounts-conservative-israeli-think-tank-behind-skewed-overhaul-articles/00000189-6945-de70-adcb-f9c77a080000
 * https://haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2023-11-17/ty-article/.premium/blame-games-and-edit-wars-as-wikipedia-gets-pulled-into-the-israel-gaza-conflict/0000018b-dc57-d423-affb-fff77b460000
 * If my methods for defending the free speech and POV of the Project are unseemly to you, in the face of all this openly organized ADVOCACY POV PUSHING and literal declared BATTLEGROUND by a head of state, let's Arbcom.
 * Again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jerusalem
 * Do we need Arbcom or can we discuss a plan for restoring balance to the Project? ClaudeReigns (talk) 08:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the English Wikipedia, not the Hebrew. I think you need to back down from this topic and focus solely on content. BilledMammal (talk) 09:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Aye, there's the rub. If I focus on the 574 sources to assimilate, that's too many words for this guy. I guess it's Arbcom. Thanks for making it easy. ClaudeReigns (talk) 10:51, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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