User talk:Cleanh2o

Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 20:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Need Help
I spent some time yesterday editing a page only to find that all of my edits were deleted. Can someone help? I'm new to this. Thanks. Cleanh2o (talk) 14:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem - nothing is ever deleted; if you made edits and others changed them, it will all be recorded in the history of the article. The user who changed them back should have given a reason in the edit summary. I will take a look at your contributions, and write more here in a few minutes.  Chzz  ►  14:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that I've looked, I see that your edits were reverted, with the summary "Rv spam". You added inappropriate external links, with edits such as [this one]. Please see the policy WP:EL for details of why this isn't permitted on Wikipedia.
 * I hope this answers your questions; if you have more, please use another 'helpme' or you could talk to us live.  Chzz  ►  14:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Need Help Part II
It seems like I used appropriate links - I'm still not sure why my edits were deleted? The living machine is a trademarked product by Worrell Water Technologies, and I included links to the company site for more information. Based on the "what should be linked" information, "Wikipedia articles about any organization, person, web site or other entity should link to the subject's official site."

Can you provide further information about why my links were considered inappropriate?

Thanks.

Cleanh2o (talk) 14:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Conflict of interest edits and Spam
I have once again reverted your edits to Living machines. Please do not edit articles in which you have a material interest and do not insert self-promotional content. older ≠ wiser 17:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

To Bkonrad Re. Living Machine
Is there somewhere we can talk live? I'd like specific information on what edits I've made that are causing my changes to continue to be reverted. Also, I'd like to provide you with more information re. the Living Machine. There is no generic term for this product. The trademark product by Worrell Water is the only one that exists. The information on the living machine page right now is very outdated. I'd like to change it to reflect current facts, but certainly want to comply to the Wikipedia standards. I just would like some specific feedback, if possible. Thanks for your continued assistance.

Cleanh2o (talk) 14:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't do live chats. Sorry. So you're claiming that there are no other living machines other than the ones marketed by your company? That ALL of the examples of living machines listed in the article are from your company? Such a claim would need to be backed up with solid evidence. older ≠ wiser 22:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The Living Machine® is a trademarked brand – much like Kleenex® and Xerox®. If you visit the Kleenex page, for example, it’s focused on how the term “Kleenex” is incorrectly used by individuals/corporations and clearly makes the point that Kleenex is a trademarked product of Kimberly-Clark. It provides links to the Kimberly-Clark website, lists Kleenex products, locations sold worldwide, etc. The Living Machine is no different. There is only one Living Machine. Worrell Water Technologies purchased the trademark rights in the mid-90s from Dr. John Todd. So, any company claiming to have a Living Machine (including Dr. Todd’s company) after that time is considered a trademark infringement. I believe a positive solution would be to have a Living Machine page on Wikipedia that is about this one product – but also including the important historical information, such as Dr. Todd’s involvement prior to Worrell Water Technologies. Then, develop a Wiki entry for “ecological wastewater treatment systems,” of which Living Machine is an example – as well as the other systems that are referenced. As it stands, the current Wikipedia definition of “Living Machines” does not include accurate information about the product (there have been significant technical advances in the product in the past ten years). And, the current entry was not written by the company that owns it. Picture a company marketing “Kleenex” products developing a “Kleenex” Wikipedia entry and then Kimberly-Clark editing the information only to be told that the information could not be posted. That’s what’s happening here. I hope this helps clarify.

Cleanh2o (talk) 00:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You claim a trademark on "The Living Machine". OK. Do you have any evidence of attempting to enforce claims over other uses of the term. If not, the trademark is essentially unenforceable. A Wikipedia article is not the place to begin attempting to enfor trademark rights. Please provide some evidence where your company is actively pursuing legal rights against others uses the term "living machine". older ≠ wiser 01:41, 17 April 2009 (UTC)