User talk:Clem23

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The Afd
Thanks for calling my attention to it! --Goochelaar 20:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Boubaker polynomials
Hi. I've corrected your nomination of this article for deletion. When there has already been an afd, add the text (2nd nomination) to the debate name to create a second debate. The templates make this hinky, so no worries - just wanted to let you know. The new nom is at Articles for deletion/Boubaker polynomials (2nd nomination). Thanks, UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 18:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, my pleasure. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 19:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Communication difficulty
Howdy, I wanted to ask you about some of the contributors to Boubaker polynomials. It seems that French is likely to be a better language for things Boubaker, and you have experience with such things on the French wikipieda. On the English wikipedia, many of the edits to Boubaker polynomial and its talk page have been, at first glance, gibberish or insulting. With some work, I have often been able to reconstruct something sensible, but have even been (apparently) attacked for doing this!

I worry that there are two barriers to communication with many of the "pro-Boubaker" editors, and I think you could probably help with at least one. Firstly, the editors do not seem to understand the wikipedia website interface. It is very common for comments to be randomly interspersed in other text. Secondly, the editors' written English is not always good enough to make their point understood. All I've gotten out of one of the recent edits to the AfD is that the editor does not understand WP:CIVIL or even WP:NPA.

In an ideal world, the AfD should not be decided by the competence of its proponents, but just on the facts. There should not be the keepers and the deleters, but just editors who each make a clear, rational, informed decision about whether the article meets the inclusion criteria, and then discuss their decisions in a civilized way until consensus is reached.

I fear the discussion part is made difficult by the communication barriers.


 * Do you have any idea how to help some of these editors communicate more effectively? Would such a simple thing as switching to French help?


 * Do you know someone who the editors might feel is more neutral than you? I gather from their comments that they feel you are some sort of racist sociopath, so they may not agree to let you translate or moderate.  There are a few editors here who have worked civilly with them, but I fear they (objectively) have better things to do.

At any rate, thanks for any help you can give to make the AfD more civil. JackSchmidt (talk) 22:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, thank you for clearing up part of the confusion. There are probably two groups of editors (here, there is no "one" creator account, but multiple IPs and user names).  Certainly it makes more sense that most are reasonable, but a few are vocal vandals.  It has been difficult to sort them out, because of the mix of anonymous edits, and new user accounts.
 * Thanks for the warning about the French AfD. I believe such AfDs are often closed as delete on en.wikipedia, though I haven't decided if that is good.  If I see more believable comments, I'll get in touch with the two French wikipedia editors you mentioned.  Right now, I'll waste my time formatting the latest WP:NPA.
 * Thanks for your patience, too. AfD is often emotional, but it is rarer to have so many personal attacks thrown about.  I hope you continue to contribute to the English wikipedia (though I can see walking away from this AfD). JackSchmidt (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

77bcr77
Je ne voix pas pourquoi je suis bloquer, alors que j'ai une autorisation pour les demande graphique, (Voir GillesC et Semhur)

Donc, il n'y a aucune bonne raison pour me bloquer, Cancelos (talk) 09:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Désolé, s'il y avait une autorisation (que je n'ai pas vu) elle est annulée. Tout contournement sur WP:FR entraînera ton blocage et l'annulation de tes modifications. Pour une foisje ne prolonge pas le blocage du compte principal, mais la prochaine fois je réinitialise pour 18 mois. Clem23 (talk) 10:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Je fait des demande pour mon travail sur Wikipédia Portugal, la bas cela n'existe pas encore, et je préfère le faire sur Fr, il existe en anglais, mais je ne comprend pas, et je ne voix pas ce qui gène, des demandes de cartes de sont pas des contournement (car je ne fait que demander quelque chose, je ne contribue pas sur les articles, donc s'il te plait peut tu remettre ce que tu as enlevée ? Cancelos (talk) 11:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Peut-tu m'aider à traduire mes demande pour les mettre en anglais ? Cancelos (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Je voudrais savoir, un truc.
 * Faire une demande c'est vraiment un contournement ? je te dit ça car je préfère les cartes de l'atelier graphique Wikipédia France, personne est contre, ce qu'ils veulent, c'est que je ne donne pas un travail que j'ai rapporter sans respecter la règle des copies, donc puis-je faire au moins une demande (Forêt Portugaise ?), Cancelos (talk) 09:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Mais c'est seulement une demande, Cancelos (talk) 09:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Boubaker, et al
I agree, it looks like we're seeing the beginnings of what you folks at FR have been dealing with for a while now. I've consulted with one of our checkusers, who recommends that you send a request for joint/combined checkuser to the main checkuser mailing list. On our end, A report of Suspected Sockpuppetry can be made at WP:SSP, and that's usually a prelude to checkuser - though, given the evidence you've already collected that may be a moot point. I believe the checkuser spans all the wikis, but it might not be a bad idea to ping one of the dutch checkusers as well. I'll keep an eye on things with the AfD, as well - it's getting messy, but nothing we cannot handle. Thanks again, and let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. I'm on the french wiki as well (sort of - fr:Utilisateur:Ultraexactzz), but I'm best reached here, for obvious reasons. Best, UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 03:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Unblock of my French page
Dear Clem23, I herewith as from Suomi kindly advise you to unblock my talkpage and usercontributions in France that you (without further orientating notice) placed from a withdrawn meta-accusation about something s.c.: "cross-wiki" (sic!). - You haven't always to believe those statements of a certain biased MoiraMoira?. With appropiate thanks in advance, I'll meanwhile remain Yrs: D.A. BorgdorfF ing. ESE 86.83.155.44 (talk) 12:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

bloquage incompris
Bonsoir,

Je suis une utilisatrice habituée de wiki en anglais, toujours sous adresse IP puisque je viens seulement de créer un compte. Tout à l'heure, j'ai tenté de modifier une page wiki française mais n'y suis pas arrivée. A la place de la page habituelle pour les modifications, je reçois un message comme quoi mon adresse IP a été bloquée pour la raison suivante fréquents vandalismes par Mario Scolas. Et je ne comprends vraiment pas pourquoi. Les différentes contributions ont toujours été apportées à wiki anglais et toujours basées sur des informations sûres et vérifiables. Pour tout dire, je crois que c'est la première fois que je voulais modifier un texte sur wiki français...

Mon identifiant de blocage est (#225400) et mon adresse IP est (88.147.12.140).

Pourriez-vous avoir la gentillesse de vérifier ce qu'il en est ?

Je sais bien que la date de fin de blocage est le 9 octobre mais j'aimerais tout de même avoir des précisions sur ce problème et si possible qu'il soit résolu...

Merci d'avance.

Cathouchka (talk) 20:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Merci
Merci pour la rapidité de la réponse. Je créerai donc un compte dès que le blocage est terminé. Encore merci et désolée pour vous que vous ayez à faire face à ce genre de type... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cathouchka (talk • contribs) 20:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

October 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors. Please comment on the contributions and not the contributors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. ''Referring to another editor as "crazy" qualifies as a personal attack. I did ask you to strike your comments, but you repeated them instead.'' -t  BMW  c-  23:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not an editor, it's a long term crazy vandal (though according to your message I doubt that you even dared reading the link I provided you). Obviously I wasn't clear enough with you in my previous message: mind your own business . Is it fine now? I think I and Antique Rose would desserve apologies for what you are suggesting without daring saying it clearly. I prefer to tell you firmly to stay out of this page and this topic for now - you are far from being a moral authority of en:wp, especially as you are pushing on another page for a checkuser tool abuse. Any other message, except apologies, will now be ignored. Clem23 (talk) 06:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You raised an issue on ANI, so yes, it is my business. However, rather than look simply at the portions you asked, I looked at the bigger picture, and spent about 1/2hr of my time look at histories and links.  As noted in ANI, User:Clemoule is accusing you of being a sock as well.  In order to help support your case, I suggested an unofficial CU, and not a full-blown CU.  I don't think that someone who is assisting you deserves to be treated in the uncivil manner that you just did.  When you filed the ANI, you opened yourself up to just as much investigation, and the above certainly does not add to your case.  -t  BMW  c-  10:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

"Genocide" arménien
tiens regarde cette video, une video claire qui résume l'épopée des arméniens dans leur combat sordide faire reconnaitre par les gouvernements un crime que seul les tribunaux devraient étudier --81.64.4.97 (talk) 22:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia francophone
Bonjour, maintenant que je me suis excusé (je pense d'ailleurs vraiment ce que j'ai écrit dans mon message d'excuses, si tu en doutes) et que j'ai compris mes erreurs, comment puis-je contribuer à wp, "sans risques" ? Puis-je recréer un compte ou contribuer sous IP ? S'il te plaît, je t'en prie, répond-moi clairement (cela m'énerve de voir des erreurs ou des malfaçons sur des articles, sans pouvoir rien faire ...). De plus, je pense que tu a remarqué que j'insiste (preuve de ma volonté), et en plus cela fait depuis fin 2009 (plus d'1 mois, blocage suffisant contenu de mes contributions "normales", non ??) que je n'ai pas contribué à Wikipédia (même si on retire mes tentatives vaines débiles de "revenir" incognito).

J'espère plus que tout que tu liras ces lignes et que tu useras une infime portion de ton temps pour y répondre, s'il te plaît, je t'en prie.

À bientôt et excuses moi encore,

Bonjourtheo (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * C'est encore un peu tôt à mon avis. Je vais y réfléchir, en tout cas il est hors de question que je prenne cette décision seul. Je demanderai aux autres admins ce qu'ils en pensent, s'ils s'opposent à ton déblocage dans quelques semaines - je te propose de poser la question sur le BA dans 15 jours-3 semaines, en demandant ton déblocage pour le wikiconcours. Je ne te promet évidemment pas que ça marchera. Qu'en penses-tu? Clem23 (talk) 23:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Salut, je te remercie mille fois tout d'abord de m'aider. Ensuite je suis entièrement d'accord avec ton idée et j'aimerais aussi que tu m'indiques les démarches à suivre, si cela ne te déranges pas bien sûr. Merci et merci encore de vouloir m'aider, --Bonjourtheo (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Non, aucune démarche à faire. Rappelle moi cet engagement environ 1 semaine avant le wikiconcours - et je m'occuperai du message sur le BA. N'interviens pas sur wikipédia avant cette date. Je ne te promet pas que ça marchera. Si ça marche il est évident que ce sera ta dernière chance. Clem23 (talk) 09:42, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Merci encore.

J'aimerais tout de même te faire part d'une surprise qui ma frapper il y a quelques instants : je me suis rendu compte, ce matin, après avoir eu un problème de connection et trifouiller ma neufbox, que je pouvais à nouveau contribuer avec mon ip ( sais-tu pourquoi ?). Et donc je me demande si je peux contribuer avant ta demande sur le BA, j'attends une réponse avant de toutes contributions faire.--Bonjourtheo (talk) 11:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Tu as sans doute changé d'IP. Je souhaiterais que non, tu ne contribues pas, car c'est un contournement de blocage et que n'importe quel admin qui te repérerait pourrait te bloquer - et là il serait impossible de demander ton déblocage. Mais promis on en reparle dans une quinzaine de jours, oublies wikipédia francophone en attendant. Clem23 (talk) 22:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Salut, en gros ça ressemble au supplice de Tantale... Mais il n'y a que ça à faire pour réparer mes fautes, merci encore.--Bonjourtheo (talk) 14:44, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Salut, penses-tu que jeudi sera le bon moment (je ne pourrais pas contribuer réellement à WP avant sa date et à partir de dimanche)?--Bonjourtheo (talk) 14:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)