User talk:ClemRutter

See also:User talk:ClemRutter/Archive/2014; User talk:ClemRutter/Archive/2013; User talk:ClemRutter/Archive/2012
 * History of Palestine Wellerman Shanty on the Independant.

Reclining-Declining Sundials
Dear ClemRutter,

Sorry for the many edits and re-edits to the Reclining-Declining Sundials paragraph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial#Reclining-declining_dials

But I think that I've now got the right formulas now for the gnomon angles at last. Where do I get them ? I derived them - not by any fancy means like rotation matrices or quaternions; but rather through good old-fashioned 3-D Euclidean geometry. By this I mean that I constructed physical models of the reclining-declining dial geometry using cardboard sheets for planes and strips of wire for optical paths and pertinent geometry lines/angles. I chose to do it this way as :

1) The results are far more concrete and convincing when this method is employed. This is particularly true in the reclining-declining dial case as there are many different formulas published for its hour angle and its gnomon angles.

2) The people who build these dials will generally come from a trades background. This means that they would generally have begun apprenticeships at 16 - 17 and their math level will be up to UK GCSE/O-level or French Brevet standard -- i.e. Euclidean geometry, basic trigonometry and basic algebra. My method is followable by people at this standard.

In due course I plan to submit a paper on this method - as well as the relevant diagrams (using Google SketchUp) for the vital geometrical relationships - to the North American Sundial Society.

The $$ s_o $$ orientation switch integer for generalizing the hour angle formula over all dial declinations is the only 'novelty' added to the existing nomenclature. I find it handy when programming.

If you have any points to make on the actual formulas presented in Wiki by me or want to offer alternatives for discussion, please feel free.

Tamjk (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I am enjoying the links personally but having difficulty in seeing how all this can be justified under WP:NOR. I would be inclined to keep the published sources (right or wrong) and include the improvements (unpublished corrections wrapped in a efn template that links to the notelist footnote. Rest assured I accept your maths as being superior.


 * What I was about to do was to change all the notation which I got from Waugh, Mayall & Mayall to the agreed symbols used by and recommended by the BSS- but that is also on hold while I sort out a useable python library.


 * It is interesting that Cadran incliné-déclinant doesnt exist but all other types Cadran déclinant have separate page- I haven't analysed which notation convention they are using- but I suspect that even there they are excluded most readers by using Greek letters which are not taught at brévet/ GCSE level.


 * Many thoughts - much to do -- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:34, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, there's no original research here. Simply the same results via a more traditional and more workmanlike method. The hour angle formula is the same (bar using reclination angle instead of inclination) as those presented by Snyder and others :

http://dls-website.com/documents/SundialDesignConsiderations.pdf

The gnomon angle formulas are the same as those presented in the BSS Formulae webpage, at least the dial-plate angle (the "style height" in BSS parlance) once you allow for their defining inclination w.r.t. the rear horizontal rather than the front (i.e. sun side) horizontal.

http://www.sundialsoc.org.uk/Glossary/equations/equations-new.php

Unfortunately they have the substyle-noon angle wrong - but so did all of us originally.

Tamjk (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I've now completed changing the Greek nomenclature to Roman. Tamjk (talk) 14:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)mmm

Hi Mr Rutter. It seems that I owe you an apology for having given you so much grief by way of other posters rejecting my hour-angle formulae ! But I shall make no apology at all for the hour-angle formulae themselves. I am confident that they are correct since I derived them two ways - and moreover since they square with those of Snyder [ref. above], allowing for his nomenclature definition. The gnomon-plate and the substyle-noon angles are also consistent with those quoted in some other sources. LIkewise with the critical angle expression for the reclined-declined dial. I'd intended putting out a paper detailing my derivations but other obligations intervened. Hopefully this summer.

May God give you strength in your thankless task here.

Tamjk (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

City of Adelaide (1864)
As you are a previous editor of City of Adelaide (1864), you may be interested in the Style Proposal on Talk:City of Adelaide (1864) ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 9
 The Wikipedia Library Books & Bytes

Issue 9, November-December 2014 by, ,

 Read the full newsletter MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * New donations, including real-paper-and-everything books, e-books, science journal databases, and more
 * New TWL coordinators, conference news, a new open-access journal database, summary of library-related WMF grants, and more
 * Spotlight: "Global Impact: The Wikipedia Library and Persian Wikipedia" - a Persian Wikipedia editor talks about their experiences with database access in Iran, writing on the Persian project and the JSTOR partnership

Corliss steam engine
Hello ClemRutter, please look at the Discussion page of Corliss steam engine ... Maybe we can find a solution to the images. --Metilsteiner (talk) 19:24, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Well met
It was good to meet you at the London meetup today. The article I mentioned, which uses one of your photos, is wrap reel. I am generally interested in textile topics so will look out for you in this area now. Andrew D. (talk) 22:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Richard Watts Charities
Clem. I've corrected a minor typo (which was nothing to do with the work you're doing). I have also changed the nested sfn to an efn for the note with an sfn for the citation. I think it makes more sense, but if you disagree you know where the revert mechanism is. I'm guessing you're still working on this, so I'll leave the cite error alone for a while. Thanks and regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I was just doing some of the donkey work then going to message you to ask your opinion- I stop now and let you have a go with the hard ones. I was on the page due to a comment at the London Meetup that there were no articles on Workhouses.(not true but nearly so). All Saints Hospital was the former Chatham Workhouse and in chasing Strood Workhouse on Gun Lane- I found Richard Watts Charities. --  Clem Rutter (talk) 23:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Not a problem, I just didn't want to interfere unduly with your constructive work. The article is one I worked on quite a time ago, 2013 was only when it split from Richard Watts.  That was only a stub back in 2011 when I started on it, but I inherited the citations.  I agree they could do with a refresh - this seems like a discussion & consensus so with your help I'll be WP:BOLD! :-) Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

✅ Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 15
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * European Route of Industrial Heritage
 * added links pointing to Gent, Bocholt, Waltham Abbey, Heartlands, Pilsen and Carbonia

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 08:57, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 22
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * Bocholt textile museum
 * added links pointing to Bocholt and Warp


 * TwentseWelle
 * added links pointing to Bocholt and Warp


 * Potbank
 * added a link pointing to Paste

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 08:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Mass-produced museums
Hallo Clem, I've found a batch of your museum stubs filing under "X" in Category:Stubs - don't forget to fix the DEFAULTSORT, rather than leave it at the default XXXXX of your pattern. All the best, Pam  D  23:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * yes, I just do it to get noticed. Oops you are not supposed to use humour! Nice to hear from you. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Manchester Grammar School
I am new to Wikipedia editing and seek assistance from someone more experienced to help guide me in improving the article about Manchester Grammar School. You have kindly made a large number of superb edits on the Manchester Grammar School article I wondered if you might be able to help me. As Head of Computing at this school I have a vast amount of 'original research' knowledge and wish to learn how to translate this into 'allowed content' bearing in mind the strict NOR and COI guidelines. In particular there are many sections in the article that require citations, and some existing citations that no longer work as the main school website has been changed recently and now has much reduced content. Also there is little currently published online about the school that relates to much of the existing content. The main school website at www.mgs.org is not something under my control, but I am the webmaster of the official school Virtual Learning Environment at www.mgscentral.org and therefore could place accurate content about the school on that site that could be cited on Wikipedia. I believe that under existing Wikipedia COI rules this may be deemed OK, but it is an area about which I have failed to find clear guidance on Wikipedia. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.Serendipityrules (talk) 12:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll reply on your talk page.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say thank you so much for your swift, considered and detailed response to my request. Outstanding.Serendipityrules (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The tone of that article is all wrong, it is too long and reads like a prospectus. There is much dead wood to chop out, I cut off a little bit. J3Mrs (talk) 17:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 29
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Mildenberg Brick Work Park, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page DDR. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:12, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages
Thank you for your recent articles, including Tyskie brewing museum, which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Article alerts and other tools. For example, WikiProject Poland relies on such templates to generate listings such as Article Alerts, Popular Pages, Quality and Importance Matrix and the Cleanup Listing. Thanks to them, WikiProject members are more easily able to defend your work from deletion, or simply help try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information about using those talk page templates. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 17:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News 2015—#1


Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on VisualEditor's appearance, the coming Citoid reference service, and support for languages with complex input requirements. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.

The Wikimedia Foundation has named its top priorities for this quarter (January to March). The first priority is making VisualEditor ready for deployment by default to all new users and logged-out users at the remaining large Wikipedias. You can help identify these requirements. There will be weekly triage meetings which will be open to volunteers beginning Wednesday, 11 February 2015 at 12:00 (noon) PST (20:00 UTC). Tell Vice President of Engineering Damon Sicore, Product Manager James Forrester and other team members which bugs and features are most important to you. The decisions made at these meetings will determine what work is necessary for this quarter's goal of making VisualEditor ready for deployment to new users. The presence of volunteers who enjoy contributing MediaWiki code is particularly appreciated. Information about how to join the meeting will be posted at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal shortly before the meeting begins. Due to some breaking changes in MobileFrontend and VisualEditor, VisualEditor was not working correctly on the mobile site for a couple of days in early January. The teams apologize for the problem.

Recent improvements
The new design for VisualEditor aligns with MediaWiki's Front-End Standards as led by the Design team. Several new versions of the OOjs UI library have also been released, and these also affect the appearance of VisualEditor and other MediaWiki software extensions. Most changes were minor, like changing the text size and the amount of white space in some windows. Buttons are consistently color-coded to indicate whether the action: The TemplateData editor has been completely re-written to use a different design (T67815) based on the same OOjs UI system as VisualEditor (T73746). This change fixed a couple of existing bugs (T73077 and T73078) and improved usability.
 * starts a new task, like opening the dialog: blue ,
 * takes a constructive action, like inserting a citation: green ,
 * might remove or lose your work, like removing a link: red, or
 * is neutral, like opening a link in a new browser window: gray.

Search and replace in long documents is now faster. It does not highlight every occurrence if there are more than 100 on-screen at once (T78234).

Editors at the Hebrew and Russian Wikipedias requested the ability to use VisualEditor in the "Article Incubator" or drafts namespace (T86688, T87027). If your community would like VisualEditor enabled on another namespace on your wiki, then you can file a request in Phabricator. Please include a link to a community discussion about the requested change.

Looking ahead
The Editing team will soon add auto-fill features for citations. The Citoid service takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. After creating it, you will be able to change or add information to the citation, in the same way that you edit any other pre-existing citation in VisualEditor. Support for ISBNs, PMIDs, and other identifiers is planned. Later, editors will be able to contribute to the Citoid service's definitions for each website, to improve precision and reduce the need for manual corrections.

We will need editors to help test the new design of the special character inserter, especially if you speak Welsh, Breton, or another language that uses diacritics or special characters extensively. The new version should be available for testing next week. Please contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF) if you would like to be notified when the new version is available. After the special character tool is completed, VisualEditor will be deployed to all users at Phase 5 Wikipedias. This will affect about 50 mid-size and smaller Wikipedias, including Afrikaans, Azerbaijani, Breton, Kyrgyz, Macedonian, Mongolian, Tatar, and Welsh. The date for this change has not been determined.

Let's work together

 * Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
 * Please help complete translations of the user guide for users who speak your language.
 * Join the weekly bug triage meetings beginning Wednesday, 11 February 2015 at 12:00 (noon) PST (20:00 UTC). Information about how to join the meeting will be posted at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal shortly before the meeting begins. Contact James F. for more information.
 * Talk to the Editing team during the office hours via IRC. The next session is on Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 19:00 UTC.

Subscribe or unsubscribe at VisualEditor/Newsletter. Translations are available through Meta. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:23, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Private schools
Thanks for your reply re. this topic. I think the point we must never forget about British private schools is that although they are charities (nominally at least - but that's another matter!), they are also businesses. Therefore, they go out of their way to promote themselves. Usually they do this in several ways - not all of which are suitable for Wikipedia.

I haven't tagged all the private school articles I've looked at recently as I think some of them are alright. But it is notable that many of the state school articles (although too thin), show a completely different emphasis in their content.

I have no problem with the schools being on Wikipedia:
 * As historical institutions. Many of them are old, and so of interest for that reason alone. I suppose architecture is a related subject.
 * As far as alumni go, most of these schools are interested in churning out high earners in the professions. This gets reflected in many of those listed as former pupils. (A quick scout around often reveals that School X has interesting alumni who are notable in other fields, esp. the arts, but who aren't useful for advertising.)
 * Some schools such as Stowe have features (grounds, buildings) which predate the school; others such as Dulwich have art collections, sculptures etc - all of these are non-academic points of interest more modern state schools tend to lack.

However, not sure what to do about the pushing of exam pass rates. As far as I'm concerned, private education uses a number of tricks to help raise these figures - scholarships being the most obvious. Third party references are better, but even then I'm sceptical.

Other traits I see in these articles, which come up again and again, are computing/science facilities (good, but how do they compare to elsewhere?), foreign pupils (Asians etc have been coming to British private schools since 19th century. Nothing new, or interesting), CCF (child soldier-y, again I think of limited interest to outsiders) and so on.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:18, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I couldn't agree more and said something similar up the page, they are often too long and read like a school prospectus. What's encyclopedic about after school clubs, etc? J3Mrs (talk) 19:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This is exactly it. We're not here to provide the schools with potential paying pupils, we're here to talk about points of interest about the school, which concern readers who want to research history etc.-MacRùsgail (talk) 14:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

In agreement too. There are many sections that are toxic- but unfortunately informative. Can we roll back to the Talk:Manchester Grammar School page, where we have a new editor User talk:Serendipityrules willing to take on the task of adding verifiable facts- but wanted advice on what WP policy was on conflict of interest. After fighting the spaghetti on the CofI pages I passed on advice on the way staff members should announce them selves, which he has followed. Coming from a local government background I am familiar with the declarations of substantive/non substantive- financial/nonfinancial that councillors make. WP is far slacker.

The second interesting question is what makes a satisfactory secondary source. The line I take is that anything published in a pupils day book is a secondary source, while anything published in the staff handbook maybe. In the staff handbook, the bullying policy will be signed and dated as a text agreed and published in the governors minutes of xx-blah-blah. In a state school that is a public primary source- but I can say whether academies or private schools keep these as private document. Clarification needed- I suspect it case by case.But since I used these documents- everything has gone on line, and I haven't been able to work out whether open pages on the school intranet( different from its fundraising website) have the same status as the pupils day book. Or further what we do about the closed pages which are password protected. These pages are now just about the only thing visible about a school- save the sponsored press release.

Take for example: the ficticious Blagdon Messenger- owned by Lord Retarded, who prints good articles about Blagdon Independent School, take a look at the Governors, and see three generations of Retardeds have been chair- and the currrent Head once shared a cell with Lord Retarded half-brother when they were at Eton or Broadmoor.

School histories by a sychophantic old boy?

See WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG it does suggest what should be included but does not address the question of social class bias. Indeed I haven't ever read through it completely - I get so annoyed at the class bias in the analysis. That is another story- but is it the elephant in the room.

I go back to some useless sections- because of the nature of British Society- the chair of all major sports federations will be one of the the Eton elite. Look at the Olympic Sports-- you sure as hell are not going to succeed unless you have been coached in these after school clubs at one of these bastions of privilege. WP seems to go overboard on sporting achievement-- and music and drama, all disproportionately represented by the elite.

We need to have clear GAs for guidance- I suggested we look at Norwich School (independent school) and User:Kudpung suggested looking at Hanley Castle Grammar School (no longer independent) and Malvern College.

While I will help, as I have in the past, I am not dedicating my WPself to the cause. I do keep my offWP life separate. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * On my watchlist The King's School, Chester- where does one start?


 * AFAICS there's nothing much  wrong  with  The King's School, Chester. Articles about schools that  provide mainstream education  to  Grade 12 or 6th form are all  perfectly  acceptable whatever state they  are in, but  they  should of course be cleaned up  for neutrality (in  this case schools on  the Indian sub continent  are the worst  offenders, but  that  is more of an issue of the traditional use of flowery English in  that  region, as Western native English  speakers  who  has lived and worked there will know). At least British  schools articles do  talk  about what  they  teach - the vast  majority of US school  articls do  nothing  other than promote their sports results. As coordinator of for many  years of WP:WPSCH, I  beg users to  turn their talents to improving  really  poor articles about  schools rather than looking  for reasons to  poke holes in articles that  are actually  quite good, but  just  happen to  be fee paying  schools. Many  school  articles are a mess because they  are written in  good faith  by  the pupils, which  does not  necessarily  mean thet  they  are conciously  abusing  our COI  guidelines. One UK independent  school that does need a constant watchful eye is Nottingham High School. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Be positive! Good faith IP school pupils (KS4/KS5) or in exceptional circumstance (KS3) are our bread and butter editors in 2025-30. Catch them young, have them contributing while they are writing obscure dissertations as undergrads. Have them patrolling our references- it will do their Uni marks a world of good. I would love to have one correcting my spelling and grammar.


 * The expectations we have for UK schools is far higher than the puff pieces we expect from over the Atlantic. Working to those higher standards, the evidence shows:
 * State schools are underrepresented- and they are the most important ones to get right.
 * There are a plethora of school types that have been created as the 1944 compromise has been unravelled
 * Private school articles, by their emphasis on flashy facilitys are playing a game with us- there is no reliable information.
 * Need to get the infobox right- for the sake of wikidata.
 * We have two new editors willing to help.


 * I address the problem of what our readers may want (well its a starting point). If you are a head teacher (chair of governors), you need to see how other schools are coping- the classic example is IGCSE and BTec no longer counting in the Ofsted League Tables. If you are a WP writing/reading parent you need to know what languages are taught at KS5- as this affects your choice at eleven and the feeder primary school you select at four- and ultimately where you buy a house. If you are councillor you need feedback on how you have applied the Cameron's savage cuts. Wikipedia is the Portal to all knowledge.


 * How do we handle this better? Do we write a series of essays on how to write an article:
 * How to write the perfect Wikipedia article on a fee-paying public school:plaudits and pitfalls- a guide for governors, teachers students and interested Wikipedians.
 * How to write the perfect Wikipedia article on a fee-paying private school:plaudits and pitfalls- a guide for governors, teachers students and interested Wikipedians.
 * How to write the perfect Wikipedia article on a fee-paying former HMC school:plaudits and pitfalls- a guide for governors, teachers students and interested Wikipedians.
 * How to write the perfect Wikipedia article on a state comprehensive school under local authority support:plaudits and pitfalls- a guide for governors, teachers students and interested Wikipedians.
 * How to write the perfect Wikipedia article on a state comprehensive school with Academy status:plaudits and pitfalls- a guide for governors, teachers students and interested Wikipedians.
 * How to write the perfect Wikipedia article on a selective state school with Academy status:plaudits and pitfalls- a guide for governors, teachers, students and interested Wikipedians.
 * How to write the perfect Wikipedia article on a Cameron freeschool:plaudits and pitfalls- a guide for governors, teachers, students and interested Wikipedians.


 * These essays must be task focused and have all the relevant details transcluded onto one page- wikilinking does not work if the document is going to be printed off to be discussed at a committee. I see this as a possible.


 * We have a backlog of embarrassing articles- but they are all over the place. When I am in a grizzly mood I don't mind pulling an article back together, if I could select one from a convenient list. A monthly mailing of all schools/ or schools for concern listed under subheadings as Public/Private/HMC/State/Academy/CameronFree/ with a link to the relevant essay- may be a possible idea.


 * Now for fantasy land- as a former chair of governors (three weeks) I would be mortified to find my schools WP was not perfect. Email a RfC to each known Chair of Governors (via the LEA). Attach an essay on -How to write the perfect Wikipedia article, and ask them to agenda it. We need to have enough resources to cope with the avalanche of requests for training and Wikipedians in Residence- and the number of new editors. Be positive - and delegate. Put together the tools- a easy CoI I template, a I would expect to see template for the talkpage...


 * On the problems on the subcontinent we can take the same approach- when we have a working model for the UK (or vice versa).


 * On the tricky problem of School intranets v school websites- do you have any thoughts?-- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The one thing with a lot of state schools is that they tend to be newer, so less history, and the buildings are invariably less interesting. However, I do notice that unlike the private school articles, state school articles are pretty poor about listing alumni. I've tried to rectify this in some cases, but the simple fact is that there are so many state schools!


 * Regarding private school alumni, I get bored of seeing long lists of undistinguished judges and diplomats. They probably belong on either dedicated alumni lists (which I support in most cases) or in the categories. Digging around, you find out that many of these people are doing what their parents did... not much of an achievement. I'm more interested in ground-breaking novelists and painters, but they obviously don't sell a school so well! (They're often poor earners, and had colourful lives. Which interests me, but not someone trying to flog school places.)


 * As you've probably noticed, there's a lot of work to be done on this score. I think this needs a page of its own. -MacRùsgail (talk) 14:58, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Your demonstration Bifilar sundial for lat 51.5
First, let me answer what you asked about the meridian:

Yes, the French article, if it said that string F1 lines on the meridian, must have meant "meridian-plane". String F1 lies on the meridian-plane. Of course it would be clearer just to say that string F1 lies north-south.

I checked the meridian article, and it looked ok.

No doubt you already have this information, but let me send it anyway:

For a Bifilar sundial, for latitude 51.5, with the north-south string 10 centimeters above the dial-face, the east-west string should be 7.826 centimeters above the dial-face.

Point C, where the hour-lines meet, and about which the hour-lines are drawn, at 15-degree intervals, should be 6.275 centimeters behind (north of) where the two strings intersect.

I'm assuming that south is positive for y, in the co-ordinate system.

Michael Ossipoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.169.50 (talk) 22:10, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll make one Wednesday-- and test it when the sun returns!. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Point C is _south_ of point O. ...by h2/tan(lat). I'd mistakenly told you it was north.
Clem--

I've just realized that I got the directions backwards:

Point C is h2/tan(lat) _south_ of point O.

The reason why I initially told it to you backwards was because I was confusing the direction of the sun with the direction of the shadow.

Today or tonight, I'll go the Cadran Bifilaire wikipedia page, and change the places where I said the direction wrong.

I clarified the language at Cadran Bifilaire (English) a bit, wording things as they're said in English, fixing a few ambiguities.

That page didn't say the direction for positive X and Y, but it can be determined by the fact that, if C were North of O, that would mean that sometimes the intersection's shadow would be going around C in the wrong direction, anti-clockwise (counter-clockwise, as we say here). So point C must be south of point O.

Sorry about telling it backwards.

Ordinarily I write at the same topic-heading that I already started, but this time it seemed important enough to start a new topic heading, to maximize the chance of this message being noticed.

Michael Ossipoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.169.50 (talk) 21:31, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

The hour-usability disadvantage of the Bifilar Dial (with specifics for lat 51.5, winter solstice)
Clem--

Of course the Bifilar isn't usable all day. It has that disadvantage in common with the standard flat vertical dial, the polar dial, and the nodus dial, when those dials only use one flat face.

In particular, for latitude 51.5, and with the north-south wire 10 cm above the dial-face:

At the winter solstice, in order to be usable till half an hour before sunset, a Bifilar dial would have to extend nearly 5 feet out from where the wires intersect. Obviously that dial-size isn't feasible.

So the Bifilar (like the abovementioned other dials) has an hours-usability disadvantage.

Michael Ossipoff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.169.50 (talk) 17:43, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Talk:Sundial; Thanks, a lot of thought and a lot of work! Edmund Patrick – confer 10:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:Co-op: Presentation at Wikimania 2015
Hey. I've put in a submission for a presentation at Wikimania 2015 called Is Two the Magic Number?: The Co-op and New Editor Engagement through Mentorship. I'll be talking about the state of finding help spaces on en.wiki and how our new mentorship space, The Co-op, factors into that picture. Reviewing will begin soon and I'll need your help to be able to present our work. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. If you would be interested in seeing this presentation, whether you are attending or not, please add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal (you do not need to attend Wikimania to express interest in presentations). I, JethroBT drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

(Opt-out Instructions) This message was send by through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:19, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Co-op: Mentor profiles and final pilot prep
Hey mentors, two announcements:
 * 1) You can now make your profile at The Co-op!  Please set up your mentor profile here as soon as you are able, as the pilot begins on March 4th.  It isn't very involved and should only take a minute.  If you need more info about what the different skills mean (e.g. writing, communication), please refer to these descriptions.
 * 2) Profile creation, invitations, and automated matching of editors, profile creation, that will be coordinated through and a few gadgets may not be ready for our pilot, and will have to be done manually until they are ready.  In preparation for the pilot, please read over these instructions on how we will be manually performing these tasks until the automated components are ready. I, JethroBT drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

(Opt-out Instructions) This message was send by through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:41, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 10
 The Wikipedia Library Books & Bytes

Issue 10, January-February 2015 by, ,

 Read the full newsletter MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * New donations - ProjectMUSE, Dynamed, Royal Pharmaceutical Society, and Women Writers Online
 * New TWL coordinator, conference news, and a new guide and template for archivists
 * TWL moves into the new Community Engagement department at the WMF, quarterly review

Disambiguation link notification for March 7
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Kent, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Metropolitan cathedral and M2 motorway (United Kingdom). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks and a typo
Thank you for your cross-sectional map of the Wealden Dome. It's a great image; I've spent minutes trying to explain what it instantly shows.
 * Typo fixed. Thanks.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 23:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

London 91
Hi, we met at London 91 yesterday - I've added you to my list of Wikipedians I have met. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:33, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Weaving Industry Videos
Hi Clem,

I hope you are well. I stumbled across a couple of Burnley area weaving videos that might interest you: Oh and this Handloom Weaver 1947-48 --Trappedinburnley (talk) 12:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Coloured Woven Cloth Production By Barden Mill Co., (Burnley) Ltd 1949-50
 * Samuel Holden Ltd (Barrowford) 1937
 * I have not seen any of them before- yes fascinating- I can think of several articles that will will host them under external links. Crude as they are, they are very complete. My latest effort has been Ellen Hooton, and this has led me to looking for illustrations of a gaited throstle frame and more particularly the Radcliffe Dandy Loom and Dandy loom sheds I can only find 4 images online so I am going to have to resort to paper! But apart from that- I am waiting to be introduced to my second grandchild- he is on his way and has an approximate eta of the 31st of March.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Invitation


Hello, ClemRutter,

The Editing team is asking for your help with VisualEditor. I am contacting you because you posted to a feedback page for VisualEditor. Please tell them what they need to change to make VisualEditor work well for you. The team has a list of top-priority problems, but they also want to hear about small problems. These problems may make editing less fun, take too much of your time, or be as annoying as a paper cut. The Editing team wants to hear about and try to fix these small things, too.

You can share your thoughts by clicking this link. You may respond to this quick, simple, anonymous survey in your own language. If you take the survey, then you agree your responses may be used in accordance with these terms. This survey is powered by Qualtrics and their use of your information is governed by their privacy policy.

More information (including a translateable list of the questions) is posted on wiki at mw:VisualEditor/Survey 2015. If you have questions, or prefer to respond on-wiki, then please leave a message on the survey's talk page.

Unsubscribe from this list •  Sign up for VisualEditor's multilingual newsletter  •   Translate the user guide

Thank you, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Next meetups in North England
Hello. Would you be interested in attending one of the next wikimeets in the north of England? They will take place in: If you can make them, please sign up on the relevant wikimeet page!
 * Leeds on 12th April 2015
 * Manchester on 26th April 2015
 * Liverpool on 24th May 2015

If you want to receive future notifications about these wikimeets, then please add your name to the notification list (or remove it if you're already on the list and you don't want to receive future notifications!)

Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

The Reclining-Declining section of the Sundial Article
Clem--

I've added some comments to your comments under the Reclining-Declining heading at the Sundial Talk page.

Briefly, I agree that the forumulas given in that section are unintelligible to the general reader, and amount to a cookbook-recipe construction-instruction, whose justifiction is unknown to the reader, and which therefore isn't helpful to the reader. I also discussed the section's claim that agreement on the rigt way to make a reclining-declining dial was reached only during the last decade.

Should I have, instead, started my own new heading at the bottom, instead of adding to the one that you started?

By adding my comments to your discussion heading, in the middle of the talk-page, have I buried my comments where they won't be found? Are new comments only noticed if they're under a new heading at the bottom of the talk-page?

By the way, is this the best way to communicate, or does the Wikipedia system have a messaging-system that I should be using instead?

--MichaelOssipoff (talk) 16:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC)MichaelOssipoff

Another question:

Do you have Mayall & Mayall's sundial book? If so, would you post, here (or to the Sundial article's talk page)Mayall & Mayall's Reclining-Declining formulas?

Or, if you prefer, you could post them to _my_ talk-page. But your talk-page, here, is the main place where I'll be looking, because it's probably more convenient for you to post here.

--MichaelOssipoff (talk) 19:47, 3 April 2015 (UTC)Michael Ossipoff
 * I am on the road- away from my books for the next two weeks. But to answer the question- yes i had one once- and I think it is on the shelf next to my two copies of Waugh. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 20:50, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, and thanks for taking the time to reply when you're traveling on vacation.

No hurry, whenever you have the time, after you return.

The reason why I ask: Specifically, as you probably know, the wikipedia Sundial article (under the Reclining-Declining heading) says that Mayall & Mayall, and Rohr as well, published incorrect Reclining-Declining formulas, and that, in fact, it's only during the last decade that there was agreement on the right way to make a Reclining-Declining sundial.

Those statements should be checked, and deleted if incorrect. (Of course, merely being unsupported is enough reason to not allow them at wikipedi, given that they contradict everything previously published. Notability?!).

I like sundials, and I don't like to be contentious about a subject that like. The Internet has too much contentiousness. But incorrect (or even unsupported) statements that contradict everything previously written have no place at wikipedia.

--MichaelOssipoff (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2015 (UTC)MichaelOssipoff

VisualEditor News #2—2015
Did you know?

With Citoid in VisualEditor, you click the 'book with bookmark' icon and paste in the URL for a reliable source:



Citoid looks up the source for you and returns the citation results. Click the green "Insert" button to accept its results and add them to the article:



After inserting the citation, you can change it. Select the reference, and click the "Edit" button in the context menu to make changes.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on VisualEditor's performance, the Citoid reference service, and support for languages with complex input requirements. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. The worklist for April through June is available in Phabricator.

The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, each Wednesday at 11:00 (noon) PDT (18:00 UTC). You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q4 blocker. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the Editing team's Q4 blocker project with the bug. Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal.

Recent improvements
VisualEditor is now substantially faster. In many cases, opening the page in VisualEditor is now faster than opening it in the wikitext editor. The new system has improved the code speed by 37% and network speed by almost 40%.

The Editing team is slowly adding auto-fill features for citations. This is currently available only at the French, Italian, and English Wikipedias. The Citoid service takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. After creating it, you will be able to change or add information to the citation, in the same way that you edit any other pre-existing citation in VisualEditor. Support for ISBNs, PMIDs, and other identifiers is planned. Later, editors will be able to improve precision and reduce the need for manual corrections by contributing to the Citoid service's definitions for each website.

Citoid requires good TemplateData for your citation templates. If you would like to request this feature for your wiki, please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.

The special character inserter has been improved, based upon feedback from active users. After this, VisualEditor was made available to all users of Wikipedias on the Phase 5 list on 30 March. This affected 53 mid-size and smaller Wikipedias, including Afrikaans, Azerbaijani, Breton, Kyrgyz, Macedonian, Mongolian, Tatar, and Welsh.

Work continues to support languages with complex requirements, such as Korean and Japanese. These languages use input method editors ("IMEs”). Recent improvements to cursoring, backspace, and delete behavior will simplify typing in VisualEditor for these users.

The design for the image selection process is now using a "masonry fit" model. Images in the search results are displayed at the same height but at variable widths, similar to bricks of different sizes in a masonry wall, or the "packed" mode in image galleries. This style helps you find the right image by making it easier to see more details in images.

You can now drag and drop categories to re-arrange their order of appearance ​on the page.

The pop-up window that appears when you click on a reference, image, link, or other element, is called the "context menu". It now displays additional useful information, such as the destination of the link or the image's filename. The team has also added an explicit "Edit" button in the context menu, which helps new editors open the tool to change the item.

Invisible templates are marked by a puzzle piece icon so they can be interacted with. Users also will be able to see and edit HTML anchors now in section headings.

Users of the TemplateData GUI editor can now set a string as an optional text for the 'deprecated' property in addition to boolean value, which lets you tell users of the template what they should do instead (T90734).

Looking ahead
The special character inserter in VisualEditor will soon use the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki will also have the option of creating a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Instructions for customizing the list will be posted at mediawiki.org.

The team is discussing a test of VisualEditor with new users, to see whether they have met their goals of making VisualEditor suitable for those editors. The timing is unknown, but might be relatively soon.

Let's work together

 * Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
 * Can you translate from English into any other language? Please check this list to see whether more interface translations are needed for your language.  Contact us to get an account if you want to help!
 * The design research team wants to see how real editors work. Please sign up for their research program.
 * File requests for language-appropriate "" and "" icons for the character formatting menu in Phabricator.

Subscribe, unsubscribe or change the page where this newsletter is delivered at Meta. If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!

-Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk), 17:50, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Peak District
Hi there, any chance of cleaning this article up so it can be in WP:OTD on 17 April? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:24, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

sundial
Hi Clem:

You may want to look at the butchery that Michael Ossipoff (?sp) has just done to the Sundial article.

I feel like taking out a contract on that moron.

DOwenWilliams (talk) 22:15, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dave:I did a lot of correspondence on Michaels talk page see this version and I will do, what I said I would do somewhere around which was to have a look at the issue when I am reunited with my books.

I am now back from doing a Wikipedia tutorial session 280 miles from here in Lancaster and doing quite a bit of photography. I have been logging in, and seen the help you have been offering Michael, but it was pointless for me to join in before I have a clear few hours to spend even to read the comments. I will come back some time tomorrow with a few ideas.

It would be great to organise a meet up sometime. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Are you 200 miles from Lancaster, in England? I should have been born in Liverpool. but the Germans had put a time-bomb on the roof of the hospital, so my mother did a quick dash to a nursing home in West Kirby, so I was born there. But that was long ago. For the past 40+ years, I've lived here in Canada, so a meet-up would be difficult. Sorry!


 * I'm going to be busy for the next few days, so I won't be doing much on Wikipedia. I hope, without much confidence, that I will find it wondrously improved when I get back.


 * Thanks for the thanks.


 * DOwenWilliams (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * About the same time- my father, who had spent 6 years in the peace time RAF, was transferred to Windsor, Ontario to be trained to operate radios, navigation equiptment and fly advanced aircraft- each time being moved on to something more urgent. He missed out on rationing, austerity, bombs and things.


 * I have two weeks, before I must visit the Lancashire again. At worst, the article will be identical to your last edit- at best it will similar but far less verbose. Keep you posted. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 07:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Poor guy!


 * My father was in the RAF, too. He had just qualified as a doctor when war broke out. He volunteered on the first day, and was assigned as a medic on an air station. He spent the whole war on air stations around the UK, and left the RAF with the rank of Flight Lieutenant. The whole time, he never once flew in a plane. They gave him a gun, because some of his patients were German airmen who had been shot down, but they never gave him any bullets to put in it.


 * I see Michael has done more damage this morning.


 * DOwenWilliams (talk) 14:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Responses from MichaelOssipoff moved to User talk:MichaelOssipoff to keep the conversation in one place.


 * Hi Clem: I see you and Michael seem to have reached some sort of truce over the declining-reclining sundial. That's good. What else is new? DOwenWilliams (talk) 18:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * On the wikifront I have been over on Commons taking, tagging and uploading 300+ photos bbof the scenery around Lancaster University where I was helping at a Editathon with members of the London Mathematics Society. I think the entry requirement is 2 PhDs- which contrasts with teaching sums to 11 to 16 year olds- and Computer Science to bright but over-confident 17yr olds, who have an unshakeable belief that their POV is the only POV. We have a little lull on the Sundial page- I bought the NASS CD of previous articles and I am awaiting its arrival- it should be fun to read- and we'll never be short of a reference again.


 * A spin off from Lancaster were these two pages- Help:Referencing for beginners/sandbox and Manual of Style/Mathematics/temp You might like to have a look at them- eventually I'd like to replace the current offerings. Then Real-life continues... -- Clem Rutter (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested
I have declined: it is not helpful to split the conversation onto another page. The OR is coming on nicely, the CD has arrived, the address handwritten by Fred Sawyer himself. There are twenty years plus of of copies of Compendium- each one will take a month to read!-- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Disagree. WP:RFM/G Can I point you to the long conversation I have had with Michael on his talk page where I am attempting to keep the discussion contained. Have a look also at the conversations with User:DOwenWilliams on my talk page, and the conversation he has had with Michael in the Talk:Sundial and much that follows. None of this suggests that every other method has been explored, which is a precondition for this procedure- it does suggest a degree of impatience, and a request from Michael for two editors to enter into a considerable amount of WP:OR. If the Mediation Committee does wish to get involved so early in the process I am sure that DOwenWilliams and myself will be willing to assist in every way- but in my case after the UK General Election when I will be less occupied in RL.--  Clem Rutter (talk) 10:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


 * although I am just about aware of the level of work this will generate I agree with you not at this moment accepting mediation. I have only had one contact with this editor (.) if I can assist in anyway I will try Edmund Patrick –  confer 19:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very very much sir for respond for this I am highly obliged of you and please always keep leading as your pupil. Sturdyankit (talk) 02:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Transfered to editor's talk page
Now on Michaels talk page. Text --108.132.238.27 (talk) 11:41, 26 April 2015 (UTC)MichaelOssipoff

Keeping it all in one place Transfered comments by 108.132.238.27 to (MichaelOssipoff's talk page (UTC)MichaelOssipoff

Thank you very much sir, Let's suppose admin decides No consensus then what happen with my article, Also here are some of Students who won scholarship from Bihar State Shia Wakf Board they are Samsha Khatun and Sadam Hussain having serial no 116378 and 116379 according to http://www.technixindia.com/wakfboard/report-phase2-1011-result.php?page=24 in 2010-11 (2nd phase) Can I add this along with my article's content? Sturdyankit (talk) 12:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 5
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Halton-with-Aughton, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Coke, Caton and Forges. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

de:user:ClemRutter/sandkiste
Hallo ClemRutter! Mal eine Frage: arbeitest Du noch am Artikel de:user:ClemRutter/sandkiste? Grüße, Doc Taxon (talk) 13:41, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi ClemRutter! Do you still work on de:user:ClemRutter/sandkiste? Greetings, Doc Taxon (talk) 13:41, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

sunny stuff
Hi Clem:

I'm anticipating the results of the UK election, too. After all, I am still a British citizen. Here in Canada, we've already had one electoral shock this week, when the government of Alberta, which had been conservative for more than 40 years, was dumped down to third place, behind the New Democratic Party (roughly like UK Labour) and the Wild Rose Party, which is a rather primitive right-wing affair. (The wild rose is the provincial flower of Alberta. It grows all over the place there.)

Re the sundial article. I've been doing some edits, which you'll see in the latest version. I think my changes are worth keeping. If you put up your sndbox version, please keep my stuff about the empirical method, and also the small change to the equation of time graph.

Time to wind up my old TV set...

DOwenWilliams (talk) 23:32, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #3—2015
Did you know?

When you click on a link to an article, you now see more information: The link tool has been re-designed: There are separate tabs for linking to internal and external pages.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has created new interfaces for the link and citation tools, as well as fixing many bugs and changing some elements of the design. Some of these bugs affected users of VisualEditor on mobile devices. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. The worklist for April through June is available in Phabricator.

A test of VisualEditor's effect on new editors at the English Wikipedia has just completed the first phase. During this test, half of newly registered editors had VisualEditor automatically enabled, and half did not. The main goal of the study is to learn which group was more likely to save an edit and to make productive, unreverted edits. Initial results will be posted at Meta later this month.

Recent improvements
Auto-fill features for citations are available at a few Wikipedias through the citoid service. Citoid takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. If Citoid is enabled on your wiki, then the design of the citation workflow changed during May. All citations are now created inside a single tool. Inside that tool, choose the tab you want (,, or ). The cite button is now labeled with the word "" rather than a book icon, and the autofill citation dialog now has a more meaningful label, "", for the submit button.

The link tool has been redesigned based on feedback from Wikipedia editors and user testing. It now has two separate sections: one for links to articles and one for external links. When you select a link, its pop-up context menu shows the name of the linked page, a thumbnail image from the linked page, Wikidata's description, and/or appropriate icons for disambiguation pages, redirect pages and empty pages. Search results have been reduced to the first five pages. Several bugs were fixed, including a dark highlight that appeared over the first match in the link inspector (T98085).

The special character inserter in VisualEditor now uses the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki can also create a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Please read the instructions for customizing the list at mediawiki.org. Also, there is now a tooltip to describing each character in the special character inserter (T70425).

Several improvements have been made to templates. When you search for a template to insert, the list of results now contains descriptions of the templates. The parameter list inside the template dialog now remains open after inserting a parameter from the list, so that users don’t need to click on "" each time they want to add another parameter (T95696). The team added a new property for TemplateData, "", for template parameters. This optional, translatable property will show up when there is text describing how to use that parameter (T53049).

The design of the main toolbar and several other elements have changed slightly, to be consistent with the MediaWiki theme. In the Vector skin, individual items in the menu are separated visually by pale gray bars. Buttons and menus on the toolbar can now contain both an icon and a text label, rather than just one or the other. This new design feature is being used for the cite button on wikis where the Citoid service is enabled.

The team has released a long-desired improvement to the handling of non-existent images. If a non-existent image is linked in an article, then it is now visible in VisualEditor and can be selected, edited, replaced, or removed.

Let's work together

 * Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
 * The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, each Wednesday at 12:00 (noon) PDT (19:00 UTC). Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal.  You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q4 blocker.  Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the Editing team's Q4 blocker project with the bug.
 * If your Wikivoyage, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, or other community wants to have VisualEditor made available by default to contributors, then please contact James Forrester.
 * If you would like to request the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki, please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.

Subscribe, unsubscribe or change the page where this newsletter is delivered at Meta. If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Listed building England
Template:Listed building England has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. PC78 (talk) 17:50, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Science Conference
Hi Clem, this is the Wikipedia Science Conference. Leutha (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Co-op Pilot Results & Mentoring
Hey there! The Co-op has been on a hiatus for a bit, but we are planning on opening up shop again soon. When you're able, please read over and respond to this update on our talk page. We have favorable results from our final report regarding the pilot, and we are interested in seeing who is available to mentor when we reopen our space and begin to send out invites again. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This message was sent by via Mass Message. (Opt-out instructions)

London sundial
Hi Clem:

It may be worth mentioning that common sundials such as the London one, of which you included an illustration, actually have two styles, one on each edge of the gnomon. One style is used in the forenoon, the other in the afternoon.

DOwenWilliams (talk) 01:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I have made a slight change to the indicator line giving it two heads. This was a lot more complex than I thought as Inkscape refuses to read the parameter used in the svg to add a curve to a line- even when it was the program that created it!


 * I haven't changed the text- as I can't think of a change that would be generic enough, if it is more than four words I think it needs to go onto the caption not the diagram. But I remain open to suggestion. Anyone can clone the diagram and add a new text layer if it is really important to them- but they will have to twiddle inkscape.

-- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:43, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I've added a couple of sentences to the caption. Another idea might be to write a footnote. (I like footnotes!) DOwenWilliams (talk) 15:17, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 3
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited London dial, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Thomas Wright and Thomas Heath. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:07, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Bois du Cazier
Dear sir.

I made some change in this page.

My english is poor. Please have a look to my contribution.Cenec (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 10
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited London dial, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Silverwork and Henry Sutton. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 08:54, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 12
 The Wikipedia Library Books & Bytes

Issue 12, May-June 2015 by, , ,

 Read the full newsletter The Interior 15:23, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * New donations - Taylor & Francis, Science, and three new French-language resources
 * Expansion into new languages, including French, Finnish, Turkish, and Farsi
 * Spotlight: New partners for the Visiting Scholar program
 * American Library Association Annual meeting in San Francisco

VisualEditor News #4—2015
Read this in another language •  Local subscription list  •  Subscribe to the multilingual edition

Did you know?

You can add quotations marks before and after a title or phrase with a single click.

Select the relevant text. Find the correct quotations marks in the special character inserter tool (marked as Ω in the toolbar). Click the button. VisualEditor will add the quotation marks on either side of the text you selected. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team have been working on mobile phone support. They have fixed many bugs and improved language support. They post weekly status reports on mediawiki.org. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving language support and functionality on mobile devices.

Wikimania
The team attended Wikimania 2015 in Mexico City. There they participated in the Hackathon and met with individuals and groups of users. They also made several presentations and the future of editing.

Following Wikimania, we announced winners for the VisualEditor 2015 Translathon. Our thanks and congratulations to users Halan-tul, Renessaince,  जनक राज भट्ट (Janak Bhatta), Vahe Gharakhanyan, Warrakkk, and Eduardogobi.

For interface messages (translated at translatewiki.net), we saw the initiative affecting 42 languages. The average progress in translations across all languages was 56.5% before the translathon, and 78.2% after (+21.7%). In particular, Sakha improved from 12.2% to 94.2%; Brazilian Portuguese went from 50.6% to 100%; Taraškievica went from 44.9% to 85.3%; Doteli went from 1.3% to 41.2%. Also, while 1.7% of the messages were outdated across all languages before the translathon, the percentage dropped to 0.8% afterwards (-0.9%).

For documentation messages (on mediawiki.org), we saw the initiative affecting 24 languages. The average progress in translations across all languages was 26.6% before translathon, and 46.9% after (+20.3%). There were particularly notable achievements for three languages. Armenian improved from 1% to 99%; Swedish, from 21% to 99%, and Brazilian Portuguese, from 34% to 83%. Outdated translations across all languages were reduced from 8.4% before translathon to 4.8% afterwards (-3.6%).

We published some graphs showing the effect of the event on the Translathon page. Thank you to the translators for participating and the translatewiki.net staff for facilitating this initiative.

Recent improvements
Auto-fill features for citations can be enabled on each Wikipedia. The tool uses the citoid service to convert a URL or DOI into a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. You can see an animated GIF of the quick, simple process at mediawiki.org. So far, about a dozen Wikipedias have enabled the auto-citation tool. To enable it for your wiki, follow the instructions at mediawiki.org.

Your wiki can customize the first section of the special character inserter in VisualEditor. Please follow the instructions at mediawiki.org to put the characters you want at the top.

In other changes, if you need to fill in a CAPTCHA and get it wrong, then you can click to get a new one to complete. VisualEditor can now display and edit Vega-based graphs. If you use the Monobook skin, VisualEditor's appearance is now more consistent with other software.

Future changes
The team will be changing the appearance of selected links inside VisualEditor. The purpose is to make it easy to see whether your cursor is inside or outside the link. When you select a link, the link label (the words shown on the page) will be enclosed in a faint box. If you place your cursor inside the box, then your changes to the link label will be part of the link. If you place your cursor outside the box, then it will not. This will make it easy to know when new characters will be added to the link and when they will not.

On the English Wikipedia, 10% of newly created accounts are now offered both the visual and the wikitext editors. A recent controlled trial showed no significant difference in survival or productivity for new users in the short term. New users with access to VisualEditor were very slightly less likely to produce results that needed reverting. You can learn more about this by watching a video of the July 2015 Wikimedia Research Showcase. The proportion of new accounts with access to both editing environments will be gradually increased over time. Eventually all new users have the choice between the two editing environments.

Let's work together

 * Share your ideas and ask questions at VisualEditor/Feedback.
 * Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at VisualEditor/IME Testing if you can help.
 * If your wiki would like VisualEditor enabled on another namespace, you can file a request in Phabricator. Please include a link to a community discussion about the requested change.
 * Please file requests for language-appropriate "" and "" icons for the styling menu in Phabricator.
 * The design research team wants to see how real editors work. Please sign up for their research program.
 * The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, usually on Tuesdays at 12:00 (noon) PDT (19:00 UTC). Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings.  You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q1 blocker, though.  Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the main VisualEditor project with the bug.

If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact Elitre directly, so that she can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:01, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 17
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Scale of Chords, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Chord. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 08:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Postpone the Manchester Meetup?
You may want to comment at meta:Talk:Meetup/Manchester/30. Yaris678 (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Public art lists
I wrote a blog post and am busy on social media and mailing lists, trying to encourage more people to create or contribute to locality-based lists of public art. Can you help, for your part of the world? Please look out for newbie contributions, assist the editors and tidy up as needed. Please help to publicise this drive, too! Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Event at Clitheroe Castle
Here is the information about the event at Clitheroe Castle GLAM/Clitheroe Castle Museum. I'll get in touch next week. Jhayward001 (talk) 08:37, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Pont du Gard intro
Clem, I reverted back your revert of my clean-up of the Pont du Gard intro, which I did not undertake lightly. The intro sentence as I came upon it was much too cumbersome and overflowing with geographic and linguistic references. Such aspects can be presented later in an article if necessary. Plus, there is no need to link every single geographic name in a sentence or paragraph; at a certain point it becomes a distraction rather than a help. For example, if readers are curious, they need only follow the Gardon link to learn all about the river's name and geography. And I seriously doubt anyone has dubbed this aqueduct the Pont-du-Gard Bridge in an English reference work before now. I think a dispassionate read of both versions will make my observations clear. Eric talk 19:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I am glad you have come back to me. My edit was interrupted by a call to dinner and needed refining. I object to the Gard, being referred to as the Gard river, as the European convention is to but the word river first. In this case the river is the Gardon- the word river is not used. The Pont-du-Gard has always been the Pont-du-Gard in English, and never the Pont-du-Gard Bridge or Pont-du-Gard bridge but this is a better wording than saying (Literally:Gard Bridge). If for nothing else that the du in French is a genitive and must be expressed in English as Bridge of Gard or Gard's Bridge.


 * Can I look at your reversion and make comments:
 * The Pont du Gard (Gard Bridge) is an ancient Roman aqueduct bridge *1 that crosses the Gardon River in the south of France *2. Located in near *3 the town of Vers-Pont-du-Gard, the bridge is part of the Nîmes aqueduct, a 50 km-long (31 mi) *4 structure built by the Romans *5 to carry water from a spring at Uzès to the Roman colony of Nemausus (Nîmes)[4] *6 Because the terrain between the two points is hilly, the aqueduct – built mostly underground – took a long, winding route that crossed the gorge of the Gardon, requiring the construction of an aqueduct bridge. Built in the first century AD, the Pont du Gard is the highest of all Roman aqueduct bridges and is, with the Aqueduct of Segovia, one of the *7 best preserved. It was added to UNESCO's list of World Heritage Sites in 1985 because of its historical importance.


 * 1 aqueduct bridge is not English- as in English aqueduct has two meanings- a water course and a bridge carrying water Agree; the construction caught my eye initially as odd, but I assumed that the writer was working from a precedent I had yet to encounter. I changed it.
 * 2 not specific enough I tend towards a brief general geographic reference for an initial sentence.
 * 3 in near Typo, fixed.
 * 4 mi non standard abbreviation Didn't initially jump out at me as out of line, so I left it. Now changed; see what you think. I don't always think every distance on wp needs a conversion, and I don't like how those conversion templates apparently can't accommodate proper hyphenation when a distance is expressed as an adjective preceding a noun.
 * 5 of course the Romans built a Roman aqueduct Yes. Nixed.
 * 6 Because the terrain between the two points is hilly, the aqueduct – built mostly underground – took a long, winding route that crossed the gorge of the Gardon, requiring the construction of an aqueduct bridge. - I probably wrote this but it is awful- the terrain is not hilly- it is a deeply incised valley, formed at the time of the Alpine uplift. Is this the Gorge du Gardon [www.gorgesdugardon.fr/index.php/Géologie-et-Paysages?idpage=12&afficheMenuContextuel=true#6] even though Vers Pont du Gard is a commune in the Grande site sydicat- just a question. Again problem with the term aqueduct bridge (its fine in French pont-aqueduct).
 * 7 it is the best preserved but probably needs a reference That sentence didn't strike me as terrible. It seems the Gorges du Gardon is a nature preserve: fr:Gorges_du_Gardon. I tweaked that part--see what you think.


 * Going back to the question of name- the Gard is a department, the Gard is a French translation of the Occitan word Gardon. Gardon is the river. (look at official publications from the department) Yes this lede does need to be changed- I gave it a shaking but freely admit it can be done better. So, over to you.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Clem- I replied to your listed comments in italics above. I agree re the awkwardness of "Gard Bridge"--that struck me at the outset as unnecessary at best. Re the hyphenated "Pont-du-Gard", I've never seen that in English or French. In a brief rummaging through the web, including on fr.wp, I could not find any definitive etymology re Gard/Gardon. Nothing here: fr:Gardon_(rivière) nor on fr:Histoire_du_Gard. Interesting musing here on Etymologie-Occitane.fr Eric talk 13:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Meetups in Liverpool and Manchester
Hi there! Do you know that there will be meetups in Liverpool on the 27th of September and in Manchester on the 25th of October?

We have sent you this message because you signed up at Meetup/Manchester. If you would rather not receive such messages on future, please remove your name from the list.

Yaris678 via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Clitheroe Booklets
For the training sessions on the 19th September I have produced these two booklets--comments welcome they will probably be around at the litheroe Castle Museum Edit-a-thon on 26th September.

From the feedback the files have been reworked - these are both usable but I will continue fiddling with the fonts. I need to look at the maths section in the intermediate and write the page on writing templates. Here are the drop box links -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
 * https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7828363/Clitheroe%20Beginners%20%28Non-patronising%20edition%29%20.odt
 * https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7828363/Clitheroe%20Intermediate.odt

-- Clem Rutter (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7828363/British%20Library%20Wildlife%20Sounds%20Intermediate.odt

Sat 19 Sept
Thanks for the instruction - great fun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lccrudge (talk • contribs) 11:18, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

hello
Hi Clem this is Katharine Lovejoy

training 19.09.15
Hi Clem Thanks for the morning training. Suzanne

Hi Clem, Thank you for a great course. Here is my user name. Jhayward001 (talk) 11:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Help us improve wikimeets by filling in the UK Wikimeet survey!
Hello! I'm running a survey to identify the best way to notify Wikimedians about upcoming UK wikimeets (informal, in-person social meetings of Wikimedians), and to see if we can improve UK wikimeets to make them accessible and attractive to more editors and readers. All questions are optional, and it will take about 10 minutes to complete. Please fill it in at:
 * https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/JJMNVVD

Thanks! Mike Peel (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Mills in Clitheroe
Hi Clem, I've been busy tracing the various mills in Clitheroe. A couple of issues remain, one being Claremont Mill, I can find no trace and am thinking that it is confused for Brewery Mill. Also I've removed Greenacre Mill to leave Holmes Mill as I'm fairly sure that they are one and the same. I don't have access to the Ashmore source used in List of mills in Lancashire maybe it sheds more light? --Trappedinburnley (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll see you on Saturday- but in the meantime we could knock together a List of mills in Clitheroe article on the lines of List of mills in Preston (oops that needs urgently improving!). Ashmore is at the moment in Rochester and I am in Newcastle. I was just browsing through 'Mill Trutex Clitheroe' which is Jubilee Mill, I found a Westmorland Gazette ref: http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/10333588.Clitheroe_school_uniform_firm_Trutex_takes_over_Rochdale_company/ . Whether it is Thornber's Mill, Holmes or Greenacre it does seem to be the same. The mills seem to have a Builder Name, A location name or/and Occupants name. I think that Claremont could be an occupant- I'll keep searching. But look at Claremont Ave, and Claremont Drive, 53.865525, -2.384059. Also this Carlton Mill --  Clem Rutter (talk) 19:44, 20 September 2015 (UTC)b
 * List of Mills in Clitheroe seems a good idea, we have taken over the project page somewhat. I was thinking Trutex deserved a mention on the Clitheroe article, but I had no idea it is so old. They started building Claremont Ave after WWII. MARIO has aerial imagery from that period, nothing much there except Goosebutts Farm. However Claremont House survives, on Pendle Rd at the junction with Goosebutts Ln. In 1890 it was separated from Brewery Mill by a pond, now filled-in under Highmoor Park (road). From the view of the Castle, Carlton Mill seems to have been Victoria Mill, which I had missed.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 11:22, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 13
 The Wikipedia Library Books & Bytes

Issue 13, August-September 2015 by, , ,

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Read the full newsletter The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * New donations - EBSCO, IMF, more newspaper archives, and Arabic resources
 * Expansion into new languages, including Viet and Catalan
 * Spotlight: Elsevier partnership garners controversy, dialogue
 * Conferences: PKP, IFLA, upcoming events

Disambiguation link notification for October 2
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited List of mills in Clitheroe, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Calico. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:21, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Jules Wright
I have been asked to advise on this- can I open this invitation. I have never encountered this procedure before- the subject seems notable ( Obits- in 3 newspapers +Radio 4)- a well referenced article being criticised for being too chummy. A bio about a notable women? What am I missing? -- Clem Rutter (talk) 08:40, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor update

 * This note is only delivered to English Wikipedia subscribers of the visual editor's newsletter.

The location of the visual editor's preference has been changed from the "Beta" tab to the "Editing" section of your preferences on this wiki. The setting now says Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta. This aligns en.wiki with almost all the other WMF wikis; it doesn’t mean the visual editor is complete, or that it is no longer “in beta phase” though.

This action has not changed anything else for editors: it still honours editors’ previous choices about having it on or off; logged-out users continue to only have access to wikitext; the “Edit” tab is still after the “Edit source” one. You can learn more at the visual editor’s talk page.

We don’t expect this to cause any glitches, but in case your account no longer has the settings that you want, please accept our apologies and correct it in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences. Thank you for your attention, Elitre (WMF) -16:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 16
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Weald of Kent Grammar School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Nicky Morgan. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:46, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 23
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Plaza Cinema, Stockport, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page National Lottery. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

October 2015
Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=687521219 your edit] to Clog may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 ""s. If you have, don't worry: just [ edit the page] again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/BBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/BBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=BracketBot%20–%20&section=new my operator's talk page].
 * List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 02:52, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * a welt, adecorative strip of soft leathe,r would be nailed over to conceal the joint. Fasteners clasps, eyes or buttons would go on and finally a protective toe-tin. Interpretive leaflet

Clog
Hello ClemRutter,

Thank you for adding an extensive section Manufacturing English Clogs at the page clog. However, I removed it. This because there exist a page for English Clogs, which you can find here: Clog (British). The page Clog is an introduction page for clogs worldwide. The gallery with pictures gives links to national clogs. So also to English clog. Thanks again for your interest. Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 05:44, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #5—2015
Read this in another language •  Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter

Did you know?

You can use the visual editor on smartphones and tablets. Click the pencil icon to open the editor for a page. Inside that, use the gear menu in the upper right corner to "".

The editing button will remember which editing environment you used last time, and give you the same one next time. The desktop site will be switching to a system similar to this one in the coming months. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs, added new features, and made some small design changes. They post weekly status reports on mediawiki.org. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for languages like Japanese and Arabic, making it easier to edit on mobile devices, and providing rich-media tools for formulæ, charts, galleries and uploading.

Recent improvements
Educational features: The first time you use the visual editor, it now draws your attention to the and  tools. When you click on the tools, it explains why you should use them. (T108620) Alongside this, the welcome message for new users has been simplified to make editing more welcoming. (T112354) More in-software educational features are planned.

Links: It is now easier to understand when you are adding text to a link and when you are typing plain text next to it. (T74108, T91285) The editor now fully supports ISBN, PMID or RFC numbers. (T109498, T110347, T63558) These  "magic links" use a custom link editing tool.

Uploads: Registered editors can now upload images and other media to Commons while editing. Click the new tab in the " " tool. You will be guided through the process without having to leave your edit. At the end, the image will be inserted. This tool is limited to one file at a time, owned by the user, and licensed under Commons's standard license. For more complex situations, the tool links to more advanced upload tools. You can also drag the image into the editor. This will be available in the wikitext editor later.

Mobile: Previously, the visual editor was available on the mobile Wikipedia site only on tablets. Now, editors can use the visual editor on any size of device. (T85630) Edit conflicts were previously broken on the mobile website. Edit conflicts can now be resolved in both wikitext and visual editors. (T111894) Sometimes templates and similar items could not be deleted on the mobile website. Selecting them caused the on-screen keyboard to hide with some browsers. Now there is a new "" button, so that these things can be removed if the keyboard hides. (T62110) You can also edit table cells in mobile now.

Rich editing tools: You can now add and edit sheet music in the visual editor. (T112925) There are separate tabs for advanced options, such as MIDI and Ogg audio files. (T114227 and T113354) When editing formulæ and other blocks, errors are shown as you edit. It is also possible to edit some types of graphs; adding new ones, and support for new types, will be coming.

On the English Wikipedia, the visual editor is now automatically available to anyone who creates an account. The preference switch was moved to the normal location, under Special:Preferences.

Future changes
You will soon be able to switch from the wikitext to the visual editor after you start editing. (T49779) Previously, you could only switch from the visual editor to the wikitext editor. Bi-directional switching will make possible a single edit tab. (T102398) This project will combine the "" and "" tabs into a single "" tab, similar to the system already used on the mobile website. The "" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time.

Let's work together

 * Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback. This feedback page uses Flow for discussions.
 * Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at VisualEditor/IME Testing if you can help, and report it on Phabricator (Korean - Japanese) or on Wikipedia (Korean - [//jp.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ビジュアルエディター/フィードバック/IME Japanese]).
 * Local admins can set up the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki. If you need help, then please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData  for the most important citation templates on your wiki.
 * The weekly task triage meetings are open to volunteers. Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings.  You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration, though.  Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the main VisualEditor project with the bug.

If you can't read this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!

— Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

SFN
Thanks for knocking the citations on the clogs page into shape. I see you had fun with the Owen references. The normal way of doing it is documented at Template:Sfn and simply consists of adding a lowercase letter to the year. However, your use of SfnRef is fine as an alternative. Thanks once again, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Its quite quick if you take the copy to a texteditor (pluma, gedit) and do global replace. I am not up to speed with citation- mainly using the cite templates- 2012a has a few limitation when dealing with older newbies- but do change it if you wish. Are you going to have a go at Clog dance this weekend. In my idle hours I am looking for a reference to support User:Berkh assertion on Clog that will take some lateral thinking. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:15, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and work on the Clog (British) page, sir. Berkh (talk) 10:55, 31 October 2015 (UTC).

Disambiguation link notification for November 1
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Stockport Central Library, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Turnpike. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:10, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Sundial
Hello. Why did you remove the picture from the article? You said that the picture adds nothing to the article, even though it is a picture of a sundial, if nothing it helps illustrate the article better. VS6507 (talk) 09:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for showing an interest- In the Commons:Vertical sundials there are 1,243 images, and further sub- categories. Your dial is a simple modern dial, of a south west vertical declining (afternoon dial) The dial vertical points to 12.45- that is an offset of 45mins time- or about 12 degrees east. The web site locates the centre at 44° 14’ 50’’ N & 19° 55’ 50’’ E which is an offset of 20 degrees- or 80mins. This is a little puzzling. This dial appears to have a sub-style of zero- so as SD= arctan (sin d/tam φ) this seems to be a co-incidence. Neither this image or the article Petnica Science Center is geotagged.


 * Looking at the image, the motto is fuzzy and to the right there is wasted space. The image needs to be cropped.


 * As the motto says Sumnjaj da bi razumeo- and this has led to a useful discussion. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 12:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the useful comments. The image is not the best quality one; I might take a better shot in the future.


 * According to Google, Petnica Center is probably located at 44.246540=44° 14' 48 '' N, 19.930834=19° 55' 51' ' E, so that's quite similar to your coordinates. I think we can use this for geotagging. This dial's vertical is pointed to 1, and Aldeburgh is close to 1st meridian east, but this doesn't seem to be the case with the sundial in Petnica. Frankly, I don't know much about trigonometry or math for that matter, I'd need more studying in that field... I've contacted the Center, though, asking them if they can tell me more about this type of dial. I'll let you know if they reply.


 * As for cropping, I could do that tomorrow. Regards, Alex (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC)


 * So, can you tell me what else is needed to include this pic in the page? Alex (talk) 22:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Clitheroe Booklets (2)
For the training sessions I have produced these three booklets--comments welcome- They were used at the
 * Clitheroe Castle Museum Edit-a-thon on 26th September.
 * British wildlife edit-a-thon 2015 on 7th November

From the feedback the files have been reworked - I will continue fiddling with them. I need to look at the maths section in the intermediate and write the page on writing templates. Here are the drop box links -- Clem Rutter (talk) 21:48, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
 * https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7828363/Clitheroe%20Beginners%20%28Non-patronising%20edition%29%20.odt
 * https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7828363/Clitheroe%20Intermediate.odt
 * https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7828363/British%20Library%20Wildlife%20Sounds%20Intermediate.odt

Clog (British)
Hi Clem. Is there a reason for adding Atkinson and Cahill to external links? Both pages are given in the references section above. I'd revert, but someone of your standing probably does have a good reason. Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes. Cahill for balance (weak)but Atkinson- it is his five videos this Rough cutting this Hollowing this Uppers this Clasps Clog and Pattern) I am after. He has done them using Vimeo, and I can't find a clear CC-BY-SA statement- which possibly was an oversight- he comments a lot on Clogging videos for instance NWFilm archive ([https://vimeo.com/album/3066221/video/107803204 this). All those videos I would like to see on commons--but before that I think we need to have them clearly placed- then someone can phone and ask him whether he is willing to put a CC-BY-SA tag on them so we can go the copy them over. Walkley's are not using traditional techniques but use machines- not the wood or the technique described.
 * I am searching for illustrations of Blockers, Hollowers etc- Cahill has one, Chris Brady this but copyright unclear.And Now, Stock knife has an illustration- but it is not of a blocker-goodness knows what it is. So that is the evil plan.


 * Think is a about time to do the Clog dancing split. More later this week. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not querying the usefulness of Atkison & Cahill, just whether the same page needs to be referenced in two succeeding sections? I've been a bit busy recently so I haven't taken up your earlier challenge. If you want to run with it, good luck! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just seen the extra Atkinson videos, so fair enough, comment withdrawn. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I rely on you- to challenge my mistakes. Just too bad that you don't do the London meet-up or I can buy you a pint. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the state of Clog dancing draft It is still littered with copyvios which I am slowly culling but I think the structure is right. I am minded to redirect Clog-dancing to a new page Clog dancing as I can't see the logic of the dash. Any thoughts? --  Clem Rutter (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Clem. I've had a look at the draft and it seems fine.  Possibly the lead is a bit long and repeats too much detail from the history section, but that can be better précised once the body has been knocked into shape.  Keep up the good work!  I might try to get to a London meetup, but at the moment family life is a bit hectic (2 teenage sons) and London is a pain to get to these days! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:35, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello ClemRutter, The videos are very interesting. I further searched a bit on Clitheroe Castle Museum and found out there is an exposition of the work of a local retired traditional clog maker. I was wondering if there is also a permanent collection of (international) clogs? Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
 * Sadly, not yet- the aim of the museum was to represent aspects of local life- (auf Deutsch- Es is heute nur ein Heimats museum.) Send me an email and we can talk more freely. Clem.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 19:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello ClemRutter, I am searching for the email option, but I can not find it. Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 09:48, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * User page- Tools - 5th option down or here ( I am off out with my granddaughter now- till this evening) --  Clem Rutter (talk) 10:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

A note: Dutch clog dancing, or klompendansen is hardly existing. If it really existed (organised) at all. I seems more something that in the past happened spontaneous. I can't remember I have seen it for real. Klompendansen as an expression is on the other hand well known. Putting on klompen and a traditional dress is more something for Dutch emigrants in Holland, Michigan, USA. Pictures of it there seem to me a hodgepodge of traditional clothing from the West of the Netherlands. The clothing you only see in Volendam and Alkmaar. What tourists see and associate with Holland. Clothing in the North, East and South is different. Kind regards, Berkh (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2015 (UTC).
 * I take that on board-- Clem Rutter (talk) 20:09, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Public housing in the United Kingdom
This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a search with the contents of Public housing in the United Kingdom, and it appears to be very similar to another Wikipedia page: Council house. It is possible that you have accidentally duplicated contents, or made an error while creating the page&mdash; you might want to look at the pages and see if that is the case. If you are intentionally trying to rename an article, please see Help:Moving a page for instructions on how to do this without copying and pasting. If you are trying to move or copy content from one article to a different one, please see Copying within Wikipedia and be sure you have acknowledged the duplication of material in an edit summary to preserve attribution history.

It is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article. CorenSearchBot (talk) 22:22, 14 November 2015 (UTC) Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Public housing in the United Kingdom a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into another page with a different name. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. JohnBlackburne words<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">deeds 02:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for November 15
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Highfields Park, Nottingham, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Cascade. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Audio in Taxobox
. Cheers, Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Terraced housing
Hi. I'd been thinking of doing a content fork of Terraced house for some time, after I explained to my (American) partner what a typical 3-up 2-down terraced house was like. I started Draft:Terraced houses in the United Kingdom, thinking there were no other comparable articles, then came across Byelaw terraced house which you also started recently. We probably need to merge the two articles together, as the one I started is wider in scope and covers all terraces, rather than just the stereotypical Victorian ones. How do you think we should proceed? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi - great to hear from you. Two months ago I would have agreed- I wrote the Byelaw terraced house article in frustration at finding a term I hadn't heard before which didn't have a WP article. I also saw a problem with Council house- but a with little brute force, I forked it into Council House and Public housing in the United Kingdom. The source material is incredible rich and my thoughts are changing on a daily basis. And there is great cross over.


 * So with my hidden agenda of total world domination before Xmas- I think we should focus Draft:Terraced houses in the United Kingdom as the overview article with Byelaw terraced housing as a more specific child article, along with ones on Georgian terraces, London terraces with mews, Packed earth floor back-to-backs Tenements.


 * is a great source


 * RW Brunskill, has written many articles on pre- 1900 vernacular building types- I have several; but haven 't drilled down to find much on council housing or privately built terraces. Time factor.


 * My thoughts were that council house, should be mainly about the bricks and mortar- ground plans elevations etc. The designed changed radically from 1910 to 1960, when we had the tower block interlude. Public housing in the United Kingdom should take the housing unit as a commodity and explain the philosophy, sociology and politics of publically provided units- I haven't started to shape that yet- the different sections between the two articles will link like the rungs of a ladder. My interest started from the physical bricks and mortar but there are so many spin offs.


 * Back to the humble terrace- you can date a Byelaw house by its feature- for instance the lintels over the windows- starting with the brick lintels that key into the one brick solid walls at 70 degree angle- the cast stone replacements that key in at 70, the cast stone flat lintels that rest on 9" footings and disperse the force vertically. Concrete with stone facings- steel with stone or brick facings. etc This needs expanding. Plumbing evolution, the acceptance of water closet within the house (so unhygenic- it will never catch on), the change from scullery to kitchen... so the byelaw article is resting until I have time to reference and add these details. It has the potential to become massive. This was a period when planning and building control were becoming established- many of these houses were not designed by an architect, but bought from a pattern book that the builder maintained. (still haven't found one) Architectural practices were involved in estate layout (I think)


 * Parkinson-Bailey has a great chapter on Housing in the Nineteenth Century which has two good quotes about the working classes: ..there is no great hardship for people of this class to share a scullery with another family; they have for the most part been doing this most of their lives... This and UWE are good sources for an article on Pre 1875 urban terraced houses. I am now looking for material for Interwar terraced houses. It seems to be out there just uncategorised.


 * More later- I have been interrupted again. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 18:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I've moved the draft article to mainspace, so it's now at Terraced houses in the United Kingdom, and added some more information from that UWE source. I had a look at some of the other articles on that website as well. The article is now about 1350 words, which is a reasonable introduction to a topic and a suitable spin-off from the main Terraced house article, so I think we should be able to accommodate this topic fairly well. I think the next thing to look at is the various types of estates that spring up in the 19th century, and why - I know all about the terraces in South Wales because my grandparents lived there and it's one of the best surviving examples of basic terraced housing in the entire country, but I'd like to know more about why there are large amounts of uninhabited terraces in Liverpool and Greater Manchester and what exactly caused it to happen. There was that episode of DIY SOS recently where a team of people banded together to completely restore a street.
 * Part of the motivation to write about this topic is trying to find out more about various memories I have, such as wondering why the house I used to live in, a 1900s terrace, looked identical to all the others in the street, except for the downstairs bathrooms, which had all been retro-fitted individually in completely different styles depending on who did it. Why are typical Victorian or Edwardian terrace houses basically all the same design with variations? And why are pairs of terraces that still have the original finish on them named " villas"? (random example found on StreetView) And how and when did electricity, running water and (ultimately) central heating get retrofitted into all of them? Questions, questions. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:35, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * With gross unreferenced generalisations-- Jobs moved to the towns- Manchester, Leeds, South East London, round the mills, foundries and shipyards and factories. Economic growth was constrained by the number of labourers you could get. Children from the workhouses were cheap but even then you had to house them within walking distance of the factory gate. You needed tenements or houses. Maximum density was achieved in back-t--backs or round courtyards- the earthcloset of privies were at the end of the street, disease and pollution killed of the labourers faster than you could replace them.

Government stepped in with the 1875 act- each house had to be a through house. Back to backs were history. Each house had to have its own privy, with a back access ginnel and alley so the night soil was not carried through the house. I think it was soon after that water and mains drainage had to be provided to the back of each house. Local authorities had to regulate new builds. As each new chunk of land was released for housing, the authority insisted that a road be laid at the front, and alley at the back. Lord Whatshisname, or Bishop thingy prepared the land- and sold the plots to whichever builder paid most. In those days if 100 plots were released- 20 builders may stump up the cash and buy some of them according to their capacity, and they built by rule of thumb which ever design they knew- all different yet really the same. They had to stick to the building line, and stick to the byelaws and buy the material available, so if the supply of pine change it would affect all of them, and the designs would all change. The all needed to use the same box sash windows, and the byelaws said the area of glazing should be 10% of the floor area of that room. Now I learnt last week- that houses for the overseers and shop-owners doctors were still built in the grid, but to a higher standard- they may for example be 2 plots wide- all these houses were called Villa houses- I live in one and was surprised to find out that is why the plaque onm the wall names it a Florence Villa. It was quite radical for 1885, because as well as the outside Water Closet- the Byelaw defined distance from the kitchen door- I also had a watercloset that was installed on a half landing on the stairs- yes inside (how filthy was that I ask you?). Enough for tonight I need sleep! -- Clem Rutter (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion Hi Clem Thanks for your message to-day. I agree with you. It would be very nice to have an infobox containing the relevant facts on the artist and an image that encapsulates the artists style of painting.(snowpatrol 20:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seascaper (talk • contribs)

Disambiguation link notification for November 22
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Council house, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Labour party. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

===Patrick Hennessy(painter)

To clear up the confusion regarding the Irish Census.John Hennessy(Patricks father)being in the army was stationed at Athlone(Westmeath)in 1911 along with his wife Bridget,son Dennis and daughter Bridget.To verify the entry further please see Dundee Courier 1/5/37.Marriage entry:Miss Brida Hennessy-eldest daughter of the late sergeant major J.Hennessy-Leinster Regiment and of Mrs Duncan,9 bridge Streetsnowpatrol 15:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seascaper (talk • contribs)

Lancashire GLAM
Hi Clem, how's it going? Thanks for posting this, I was aware that funding cuts where likely, but this is a shock. I'm particularly worried about QSM, as it seems so much would have to be done so quickly to save it. I believe there is an Christmas event at Helmshore on Saturday. Not my usual scene but I think I'm going to pop down and see what people are thinking about the future.

You may have noticed that I've not been around for a while, but I have continued with Clitheroe Castle offline, time permitting, and merged it back in the other day. It has been hard work, as it turns out that just about everything about its history is disputed, especially its origin. I've sill got a few bits to tidy-up, one being the referencing on your geology section. Where you aware that you haven't actually ref'd the Kabrna book that you added to the Bibliography? I'm currently in two minds whether to put it through the GA process in the future. Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I've been distracted. Without going into the gory details, its been dicky birds at the British Library, and a daughter moving house to Nottingham. So, I have looked at Kabrna again and realised why I put him down.


 * As I understand it- the baserock of 838 m of Chatburn limestone was deposited in flat shallow (75-100m) warm falling seas seas about 360 MA (milions of years) . About 351MA it tilted and the sea level increased and this marked the start of the Clitheroe limestones (both in the Bowland High group- of the western european Tornnaisian stage of Carboniferous )


 * The mud mounds were thought by Tiddeman (1889) & Parkinson to be mound like accumulations of biogenic material Vaughan (1916) recognised the fossil content was the same as in the Waulsortian limestones/mudstones in Belgian, in the 50s it was found that the mounds did not have the skeletal frameworks created by living organisms- so it was not a reef. They were created by lime mud, flowing in from elsewhere Lees(2006) . The clue was looking at the Crinoids.


 * In 1972 Miller and Grayson described the mudmound having a core or bank bed. This developed in a low energy system and could be a stack of mounds. They are surrounded by thick bedded looser flank beds deposited in more turbulent waters--these merge into flat deposited inter-bank beds which can also occur in non Waulsortian conditions.


 * Wallsortian mudmounds occur in two layers in the Clitheroe Limestone, the Coplow Limestone Member, and again in the Bellman Limestone Member which is upto 800m deep. Clitheroe castle is a Bellman member Wallsortian mudmound This is around 346.3 MA. The sea-level was falling leaving an unconformity, and the base platform was fracturing. We ane entering the Viséan (Craven Group). These formation would be further fractured by the varican orogeny


 * There are also a couple references on

Disambiguation link notification for November 29
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Carefree sundial, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hunters Point. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
Hi, You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the Education RFC post
The answer is that anything can happen if we want it to happen badly enough. This is our chance to steer the ship. I have simply made a proposal. That starts discussion. Where that leads I have no idea. Fiddle  Faddle  12:14, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Problematic editor
Hi - I can't help noticing you are having a bit of bother with an editor on the Naturist page - I believe you might be interested in this sockpuppet investigation, as I think Queenmiss/Victoriaa11 is very probably the same person as Utbindas/Shreyoshidasgupta - and the recent editing patterns are really supporting this. I can't help wondering if this is an editor who's been blocked/suspended before, given how au fait they appear to be with the Wikipedia system. Anyway, just a heads-up that there's something strange going on here. I'm mostly leaving them to their antics for the time being, pending the outcome of the investigation, but couldn't help noticing odd patterns/similarities, and I think the more editors that are aware to keep an eye on things, the better. Mabalu (talk) 12:07, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 14
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 14, October-November 2015 by, , ,

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Read the full newsletter The Interior, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * New donations - Gale, Brill, plus Finnish and Farsi resources
 * Open Access Week recap, and DOIs, Wikipedia, and scholarly citations
 * Spotlight: 1Lib1Ref - a citation drive for librarians

December 2015
Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=695340374 your edit] to Semi-detached may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 "{}"s. If you have, don't worry: just [ edit the page] again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/BBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/BBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=BracketBot%20–%20&section=new my operator's talk page].
 * List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 11:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Semi-detached housing often abbreviated to semi in the UK, Canada and Australia, as in "three-bedroom semi",
 * throughout downtown and older suburbs, helping define the character of the city's neighbourhoods. {cn}

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=696862013 your edit] to Warehouse may have broken the syntax by modifying 2 "[]"s. If you have, don't worry: just [ edit the page] again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/BBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/BBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=BracketBot%20–%20&section=new my operator's talk page].
 * List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 13:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ca. 1872-1887. (5833485842).jpg|Historic Atlantic Dock warehouse in Brooklyn in the 1800s

Disambiguation link notification for December 21
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * Pre-regulation terraced houses in the United Kingdom
 * added links pointing to Irish, Cellar, Privy, Back-to-back and Lodger

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:44, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #6—2015
Read this in another language •  Subscription list

Did you know?

A new, simpler system for editing will offer a single Edit button. Once the page has opened, you can switch back and forth between visual and wikitext editing.

If you prefer having separate edit buttons, then you can set that option in your preferences, either in a pop-up dialog the next time you open the visual editor, or by going to Special:Preferences and choosing the setting that you want: The current plan is for the default setting to have the Edit button open the editing environment you used most recently. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs and expanded the mathematics formula tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for languages such as Japanese and Arabic, and providing rich-media tools for formulæ, charts, galleries and uploading.

Recent improvements
You can switch from the wikitext editor to the visual editor after you start editing.

The LaTeX mathematics formula editor has been significantly expanded. (T118616) You can see the formula as you change the LaTeX code. You can click buttons to insert the correct LaTeX code for many symbols.

Future changes
The single edit tab project will combine the "" and "" tabs into a single "" tab, like the system already used on the mobile website. (T102398) Initially, the "" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time. Your last editing choice will be stored as a cookie for logged-out users and as an account preference for logged-in editors. Logged-in editors will be able to set a default editor in the tab of Special:Preferences in the drop-down menu about "".

The visual editor will be offered to all editors at the following Wikipedias in early 2016: Amharic, Buginese, Min Dong, Cree, Manx, Hakka, Armenian, Georgian, Pontic, Serbo-Croatian, Tigrinya, Mingrelian, Zhuang, and Min Nan. (T116523) Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. The developers would like to know how well it works. Please tell them what kind of computer, web browser, and keyboard you are using.

In 2016, the feedback pages for the visual editor on many Wikipedias will be redirected to mediawiki.org. (T92661)

Testing opportunities
If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready.
 * Please try the new system for the single edit tab on test2.wikipedia.org. You can edit while logged out to see how it works for logged-out editors, or you can create a separate account to be able to set your account's preferences.  Please share your thoughts about the single edit tab system at the feedback topic on mediawiki.org or sign up for formal user research (type "single edit tab" in the question about other areas you're interested in).  The new system has not been finalized, and your feedback can affect the outcome.  The team particularly wants your thoughts about the options in Special:Preferences. The current choices in Special:Preferences are:
 * , and
 * . (This is the current state for people using the visual editor.  None of these options will be visible if you have disabled the visual editor in your preferences at that wiki.)
 * Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at VisualEditor/IME Testing if you can help, and report it on Phabricator (Korean - Japanese) or on Wikipedia (Korean - [//jp.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ビジュアルエディター/フィードバック/IME Japanese]).
 * . (This is the current state for people using the visual editor.  None of these options will be visible if you have disabled the visual editor in your preferences at that wiki.)
 * Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at VisualEditor/IME Testing if you can help, and report it on Phabricator (Korean - Japanese) or on Wikipedia (Korean - [//jp.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ビジュアルエディター/フィードバック/IME Japanese]).

Whatamidoing (WMF), 00:54, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for December 28
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Public housing in the United Kingdom, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Ernest Simon. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:07, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Confessional Thanks
Dear ClemRutter, I must confess that many of the duplicated internal links in the Roy Hart article were mine. And I wanted to thank you for pointing out my misunderstanding of linking policy. I am learning as I go, and suffer sometimes from punctilliousness in the wrong places. When I have finsihed working on the next articles I am currently researching, I will go back through those to which I have made a major contribution and rectify the same issue. And in future I will just link to the fist mention, in accordance with your note. Many thanks, and apologies for my misunderstanding. Prolumbo (talk) 11:11, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Flow
Per discussion at Village Pump technical: WP:Flow is the WMF's explanation/documentation/sales-pitch for Flow. But more usefully you can give it a try. You can freely make test posts at mw:Talk:Sandbox. I would have linked you to the local EnWiki Flow testing page, but it died when an admin tried testing admin tools on it. Alsee (talk) 00:51, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Course February
Hi, I am on your course.--AvianLee (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 9
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * Tooting
 * added a link pointing to Garden City


 * Totterdown Fields
 * added a link pointing to Garden City

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Ebbsfleet
Hi ClemRutter, Never thought I'd say this but thanks for reverting!, For some reason the images looked like they were taken at different locations (I don't think the captions helped!) which is actually why I removed them, Had I realized they were actually taken at Ebbsfleet I wouldn't of removed them so thanks again for reverting :), Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 22:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If the weather were better I may do some more. I am now trying to put together a few neutral paragraphs on the Ebbsfleet Valley housing fiasco. There is a lot of background work, ABC city was being quoted but that was a redlink-- I have multiple spreadsheets open as HMRC is knocking at my door too. Keep up the conversation.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

War memorials
Hi Clem, was good to see you today. If you get the chance (and the weather!) for an excursion, there are three war memorials I need photos of in Kent. They're in Maidstone (which is nice and easy for you!), Rolvenden, and Sandhurst (no, not that Sandhurst!). We do have some photos of them all on Commons (c:Category:Maidstone Cenotaph‎, c:Category:Rolvenden war memorial‎, and c:Category:Sandhurst war memorial, Kent), so it's not urgent—I'll have illustrations for when I do finally get round to writing the articles—but they're not great quality and they're low resolution. We do have a nice sharp photo of Rolvenden's, but it's side-on! Anything you can do would be great but a comprehensive survey with photos from all angles would be absolutely fantastic. In return, I promise I'll use some of them in articles! Thanks, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  02:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 16
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Public housing in the United Kingdom, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hainault. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 08:58, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Next meetups in North-West England
Hello. This is just to let you know that the next wikimeets in North-West England will take place in:
 * Manchester on 23rd January 2016
 * Liverpool on 27th February 2016

Please sign up on the relevant wikimeet page if you can make them! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Samuel Bridgman Russell
This is an automated message from CorenSearchBot. I have performed a search with the contents of Samuel Bridgman Russell, and it appears to be very similar to another Wikipedia page: James Glen Sivewright Gibson. It is possible that you have accidentally duplicated contents, or made an error while creating the page&mdash; you might want to look at the pages and see if that is the case. If you are intentionally trying to rename an article, please see Help:Moving a page for instructions on how to do this without copying and pasting. If you are trying to move or copy content from one article to a different one, please see Copying within Wikipedia and be sure you have acknowledged the duplication of material in an edit summary to preserve attribution history.

It is possible that the bot was mistaken and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article. CorenSearchBot (talk) 19:41, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 23
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Tudor Walters Report, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Garden City. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 31
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited St Ann's, Nottingham, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Wimpey. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:34, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Help! Am I missing something
Hi Clem. Can you help me out? I am not by any means averse to criticism, and have worked hard since joining to address all issues raised on any article I have written. I have just finished a very long process of authoring Autonomous sensory meridian response. I got way to involved probably. But I really felt it was my best article so far. A user has placed templates saying it lacks structure and flow, and may need re-writing entirely to meet quality standards. If this is true, then really, there is little point me continuing, because it is the best I can do. Does it really need rewriting? Does it really lack structure and flow? It is not that I am claiming it is faultless by any means. But the specific faults pointed out seem to me way off. Tell me straight. Many many thanks! Prolumbo (talk) 07:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Its all there, but if you are an A level student- its a bit difficult to navigate. Give me fifteen minutes and I add a bit of hierarchy to the sub-headings and we well see how it reads. Then I will compare it with an article on a similar subject and jiggle the sections around. Back soon. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:21, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have made a few changes- I think now, you clean up any errors I have made and wait for a respond. Then take it from there. Hope that helps. Clem Rutter (talk) 10:25, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia January Editathon
Hello Clem, I hope this works!--Eburdett (talk) 11:58, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for February 7
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Joan Bakewell, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Ystwyth. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:49, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Trouble at t'Mill
I was sorry to hear the news about the planned closure of museums in Lancashire. If you, Andy or others make plans to take action while they are still open, please let me know. Andrew D. (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Four years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 15
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 15, December-January 2016 by, , , ,

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Read the full newsletter The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * New donations - Ships, medical resources, plus Arabic and Farsi resources
 * # 1lib1ref campaign summary and highlights
 * New branches and coordinators

Resource-based learning
Hi Clem, I have just started the Resource-based learning article, which i thought might be of interest to you. Leutha (talk) 23:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #1—2016
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter

Did you know?

Among experienced editors, the visual editor's table editing is one of the most popular features. If you select the top of a column or the end of a row, you can quickly insert and remove columns and rows.

Now, you can also rearrange columns and rows. Click "Move before" or "Move after" to swap the column or row with its neighbor.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Japanese, Korean, Arabic, Indic, and Han scripts, and improving the single edit tab interface.

Recent changes
You can switch from the wikitext editor to the visual editor after you start editing. This function is available to nearly all editors at most wikis except the Wiktionaries and Wikisources.

Many local feedback pages for the visual editor have been redirected to mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.

You can now re-arrange columns and rows in tables, as well as copying a row, column or any other selection of cells and pasting it in a new location.

The formula editor has two options: you can choose "Quick edit" to see and change only the LaTeX code, or "Edit" to use the full tool. The full tool offers immediate preview and an extensive list of symbols.

Future changes
The single edit tab project will combine the "" and "" tabs into a single "" tab. This is similar to the system already used on the mobile website. (T102398) Initially, the "" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time. Your last editing choice will be stored as an account preference for logged-in editors, and as a cookie for logged-out users. Logged-in editors will have these options in the tab of Special:Preferences: The visual editor uses the same search engine as Special:Search to find links and files. This search will get better at detecting typos and spelling mistakes soon. These improvements to search will appear in the visual editor as well.
 * , and
 * . (This is the state for people using the visual editor now.)
 * , and
 * . (This is the state for people using the visual editor now.)

The visual editor will be offered to all editors at most "Phase 6" Wikipedias during the next few months. The developers would like to know how well the visual editor works in your language. They particularly want to know whether typing in your language feels natural in the visual editor. Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. This will affect the following languages: Japanese, Korean, Urdu, Persian, Arabic, Tamil, Marathi, Malayalam, Hindi, Bengali, Assamese, Thai, Aramaic and others.

Let's work together
If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thanks!
 * Please try out the newest version of the single edit tab on test2.wikipedia.org. You may need to restore the default preferences (at the bottom of test2wiki:Special:Preferences) to see the initial prompt for options. Were you able to find a preference setting that will work for your own editing? Did you see the large preferences dialog box when you started editing an article there?
 * Can you read and type in Korean, Arabic, Japanese, Indic, or Han scripts? Language engineer David Chan needs help from people who often type in these languages. Please see the instructions at mw:VisualEditor/IME Testing if you can help. Report your results on wiki (Korean – Japanese – all languages).
 * Learn how to improve the "automagical" citoid referencing system in the visual editor, by creating Zotero translators for popular sources in your language! Join the Tech Talk about "Automated citations in Wikipedia: Citoid and the technology behind it" with Sebastian Karcher on 29 February 2016.

– Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:46, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for February 26
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * Semi-detached
 * added links pointing to John Nash, Scullery, Privy and Halifax

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 15:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Uploading files to me on Dropbox
Upload link Test the link. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 21:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Your Edit-A-Thon
One of the editors attending your edit-a-thon, Tamasine22 is engaging in some editing practices at Extant Theatre Company that I wouldn't really expect from one learning from an expert such as yourself. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks. <span style="font-family:times, serif;">R. A. S immons Talk 15:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. We are watching them all- they have enthusiasm but there is a long way to go still. We are encouraging them now to edit each others articles- so we will see how that goes. Please do keep a watchful eye too and pass any further advice to them on their talk pages. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 16:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks. <span style="font-family:times, serif;">R. A. S immons Talk 17:47, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

UK Wikimeet survey results
Hello. This is a quick note to let you know that the results of the UK wikimeet survey have now been posted on Meta at m:UK Wikimeet survey 2015. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I have left comments on the related talk page m:Talk:UK Wikimeet survey 2015.--ClemRutter (talk) 15:24, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 15
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited The Meadows, Nottingham, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Great Northern Railway. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Lancashire Museums
If you have not seen the announcement: https://www.change.org/p/councillor-jennifer-mein-save-lancashire-s-mill-museums/u/15881342?tk=zsPP_0EKngotzxzN95lLiRI2vdpAu2Rgi8n87Y6R02I -- ClemRutter (talk) 10:17, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Help please re Lycée Français Charles de Gaulle
Hello Clem. As you have commented on the article previously, what say you about a youngster taking out a literary reference to 1066 and All That from one of the headers? I have explained it to him but he has nevertheless taken it down again. Is it that school articles bring out the persistent pupil in some wikipedians? Best wishes, --Po Kadzieli (talk) 16:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

April 2016
Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=713788685 your edit] to Park Hill, Sheffield may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 ""s. If you have, don't worry: just [ edit the page] again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/BBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/BBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=BracketBot%20–%20&section=new my operator's talk page].
 * List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 22:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * is the demolition of all the buildings in the area.”

Disambiguation link notification for April 9
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited St Ann's, Nottingham, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Radburn. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Do you want one Edit tab, or two? It's your choice
The editing interface will be changed soon. When that happens, editors who currently see two editing tabs – "Edit" and "Edit source" – will start seeing one edit tab instead. The single edit tab has been popular at other Wikipedias. When this is deployed here, you may be offered the opportunity to choose your preferred appearance and behavior the next time you click the Edit button. You will also be able to change your settings in the Editing section of Special:Preferences.

You can choose one or two edit tabs. If you chose one edit tab, then you can switch between the two editing environments by clicking the buttons in the toolbar (shown in the screenshots). See Help:VisualEditor/User guide#Switching between the visual and wikitext editors for more information and screenshots.

There is more information about this interface change at mw:VisualEditor/Single edit tab. If you have questions, suggestions, or problems to report, then please leave a note at VisualEditor/Feedback.

Whatamidoing (WMF) 19:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

UK EU referendum edit-a-thon
Hi,

I wonder if there is somewhere a blog post or some other kind of summary about the edit-a-thon on the UK EU referendum. How was it? What are the outcomes?

Have a nice day, – T.seppelt (talk) 06:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The main page was Meetup/UK EU edit-a-thon and this is being used by about a third of the editors for feed back. Full fact have a link to a third party page on that site. There were two talks- one by Andrew Gray- short, and professionally done, on what is wikipedia and then one by Joe ?????. | /how-to-make-bad-charts-7-simple-rules. I had prepared the booklet Newspeak House- Strengthening an article which most people ignore until they needed to mod a graph. or table and then it was 'Clem- could you just help out over here' so I spent most of the day life a demented butterfly. All the users were very focussed. Graphs were mainly of interest to Joe... there maybe more but I suggest Wikipedia talk:Meetup/UK EU edit-a-thon. ClemRutter (talk) 07:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Education 2016
Wikimedia UK Education 2016 Leutha (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 24 May
Hello, I'm ReferenceBot. I have automatically detected that an edit performed by you may have introduced errors in referencing. as follows: Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/RBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/RBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=ReferenceBot%20–%20&section=new report it to my operator]. Thanks, ReferenceBot (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * On the Gas holder page, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=721875862 your edit] caused a broken reference name (help) . ([ Fix] | [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&preload=User:ReferenceBot/helpform&preloadtitle=Referencing%20errors%20on%20%5B%5BSpecial%3ADiff%2F721875862%7CGas holder%5D%5D Ask for help])

Disambiguation link notification for May 26
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Gas holder, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page King's Cross station. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 2
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Boundary Estate, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Potato famine. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Naturism in London
Good to meet again at the London Meetup. Here's one of the pictures you wanted -- the World Naked Bike Ride in Holborn yesterday. I have a bunch more but they are all much the same. Andrew D. (talk) 21:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks- It has now gone live. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikimeet 107
Lovely to meet you yesterday at the London meetup - thanks for such a warm welcome! Zeromonk (talk) 08:20, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Editing News #2—2016
Editing News #2—2016 Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter

Did you know?

It's quick and easy to insert a references list.

Place the cursor where you want to display the references list (usually at the bottom of the page). Open the "" menu and click the "" icon (three books).

If you are using several groups of references, which is relatively rare, you will have the opportunity to specify the group. If you do that, then only the references that belong to the specified group will be displayed in this list of references.

Finally, click "" in the dialog to insert the. This list will change as you add more footnotes to the page.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Arabic and Indic scripts, and adapting the visual editor to the needs of the Wikivoyages and Wikisources.

Recent changes
The visual editor is now available to all users at most Wikivoyages. It was also enabled for all contributors at the French Wikinews.

The single edit tab feature combines the "" and "" tabs into a single "" tab. It has been deployed to several Wikipedias, including Hungarian, Polish, English and Japanese Wikipedias, as well as to all Wikivoyages. At these wikis, you can change your settings for this feature in the "" tab of Special:Preferences. The team is now reviewing the feedback and considering ways to improve the design before rolling it out to more people.

Future changes
The "" button will say "". This will affect both the visual and wikitext editing systems. More information is available on Meta.

The visual editor will be offered to all editors at the remaining "Phase 6" Wikipedias during the next few months. The developers want to know whether typing in your language feels natural in the visual editor. Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. This will affect several languages, including: Arabic, Hindi, Thai, Tamil, Marathi, Malayalam, Urdu, Persian, Bengali, Assamese, Aramaic and others.

The team is working with the volunteer developers who power Wikisource to provide the visual editor there, for opt-in testing right now and eventually for all users. (T138966)

The team is working on a modern wikitext editor. It will look like the visual editor, and be able to use the citoid service and other modern tools. This new editing system may become available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices around September 2016. You can read about this project in a general status update on the Wikimedia mailing list.

Let's work together
If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready.
 * Do you teach new editors how to use the visual editor? Did you help set up the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki? Have you written or imported TemplateData for your most important citation templates? Would you be willing to help new editors and small communities with the visual editor?  Please sign up for the new VisualEditor Community Taskforce.
 * Learn how to improve the "automagical" citoid referencing system in the visual editor, by creating Zotero translators for popular sources in your language! Watch the Tech Talk by Sebastian Karcher for more information.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk), 21:09, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment Cenotaph
Hey Clem, just wanted to say thanks again for those photos. I've just written the article and used one of them! I owe you a pint! HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  17:32, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Kentish - article Cuxton
Hello ClemRutter - I see you reverted the edit I made in the article Cuxton. Please realize that Kentish is an ambiguous word, and it appears to me that none of the alternative articles listed there are helpful to people reading "Tudor Kentish Yeoman's house." Your explanation is that Kentish in this context is an architectural term - I checked Glossary of architecture and it's not listed there, so that doesn't help. I would recommend that Kentish is a better link to use - it's redlink, but it's better than the current status.  PK T (alk)  11:26, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, we haven't written the article! I am about 1500 km away from my books particularly my Brunskill--isbn:9780575071223-- and yesterday the O2 connection was slow. The one I want is about vernacular timbered buildings. The form is of two wings with a sprung floor between. Wealden hall house may help though was a little large. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:45, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dialling (telephony)


The article Dialling (telephony) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * Unsourced dictionary definition.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 12
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * Cévennes
 * added links pointing to Discontinuity and Watershed


 * Dialling (telephony)
 * added a link pointing to Albion, New York

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:12, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

File:Mill-image-pending.jpg listed for discussion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Mill-image-pending.jpg, has been listed at Files for discussion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:33, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * . I have watched some of the debate- the file was left on en: as I couldn't show full PD for the constituent image of the demolished mill. If there remain problems I could SVG and GIMP up an alternative CC-O mill- but if that is unneeded then I will let the status quo stand. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

User template
Hi ClemRutter. May the user template in Special:WhatLinksHere/User:ClemRutter/scratchpad get replaced by a real template? --Leyo 22:05, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes- how about Template:Infobox Housing project. It fell off my radar- I had got it so far, as a proof of concept, and was looking for some support, before I researched whether I was about to break anything. Have you any suggestions for improvements. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:13, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I do not really have any suggestions. I was just wondering that a user template is used in several articles. IMO this is bad practice, e.g. as a potential target of vandalism (more difficult to spot). --Leyo 12:10, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It might be best to be bold and perform the move. --Leyo 07:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 30
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Camisard, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Saint-Hippolyte, Saumane and Mialet. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 18
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 18, June–July 2016 by, Ocaasi, Samwalton9, UY Scuti, and Sadads

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Read the full newsletter The Interior via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * New donations - Edinburgh University Press, American Psychological Association, Nomos (a German-language database), and more!
 * Spotlight: GLAM and Wikidata
 * TWL attends and presents at International Federation of Library Associations conference, meets with Association of Research Libraries
 * OCLC wins grant to train librarians on Wikimedia contribution

File:Dawn Mill, Shaw 0012.png listed for discussion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Dawn Mill, Shaw 0012.png, has been listed at Files for discussion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Kelly hi! 08:20, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Blackbird Leys
This edit. Completely original research, speculation ("This lane was lined, either side, with horse-chestnut trees and was known to all local children as "Conker Alley""; "it looks like"; "the ford would be"; "Back in the early 1950's".) this is unreferenced (and trivial to boot) speculation based on one editor's interpretation of a map/personal memories. The previous - referenced - version was better. Keri (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have re-written this for you. A quick google found the Radio Oxford article, and there was a ISBN already in the text. I rescued it as the conker quote was too well written to be vandalism, but the referencing was not the way we do it. It was clear on Open Street map that this had nothing to do with Sandford.


 * I put the trivia into an extended footnote so the information was not lost but it was away from the main text- it does less harm there. Then reading and re-reading the Radio Oxford piece found the chestnut reference- so all that it needs is a source to the childhood memory. We can afford to let that pass.


 * I do hope you can expand the article as there is a lot more in the Radio Oxford piece. --ClemRutter (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 1
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Champdomergue, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Garrigues. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:47, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Editing News #3—2016
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter • Subscribe or unsubscribe on the English Wikipedia

Did you know?

Did you know that you can easily re-arrange columns and rows in the visual editor?



Select a cell in the column or row that you want to move. Click the arrow at the start of that row or column to open the dropdown menu (shown). Choose either "Move before" or "Move after" to move the column, or "Move above" or "Move below" to move the row.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has mainly worked on a new wikitext editor. They have also released some small features and the new map editing tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the list of work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, releasing the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving language support.

Recent changes

 * You can now set text as small or big.
 * Invisible templates have been shown as a puzzle icon. Now, the name of the invisible template is displayed next to the puzzle icon.  A similar feature will display the first part of hidden HTML comments.
 * Categories are displayed at the bottom of each page. If you click on the categories, the dialog for editing categories will open.
 * At many wikis, you can now add maps to pages. Go to the Insert menu and choose the "Maps" item. The Discovery department are adding more features to this area, like geoshapes. You can read more on MediaWiki.org.
 * The "Save" button now says "Save page" when you create a page, and "Save changes" when you change an existing page. In the future, the "" button will say "".  This will affect both the visual and wikitext editing systems.  More information is available on Meta.
 * Image galleries now use a visual mode for editing. You can see thumbnails of the images, add new files, remove unwanted images, rearrange the images by dragging and dropping, and add captions for each image.  Use the "Options" tab to set the gallery's display mode, image sizes, and add a title for the gallery.

Future changes
The visual editor will be offered to all editors at the remaining 10 "Phase 6" Wikipedias during the next month. The developers want to know whether typing in your language feels natural in the visual editor. Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. This will affect several languages, including Thai, Burmese and Aramaic.

The team is working on a modern wikitext editor. The 2017 wikitext editor will look like the visual editor and be able to use the citoid service and other modern tools. This new editing system may become available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices in October 2016. You can read about this project in a general status update on the Wikimedia mailing list.

Let's work together
Do you teach new editors how to use the visual editor? Did you help set up the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki? Have you written or imported TemplateData for your most important citation templates? Would you be willing to help new editors and small communities with the visual editor? Please sign up for the new VisualEditor Community Taskforce. If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 19
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 19, September–October 2016 by Nikkimaria, Sadads and UY Scuti <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Read the full newsletter 19:07, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * New and expanded donations - Foreign Affairs, Open Edition, and many more
 * New Library Card Platform and Conference news
 * Spotlight: Fixing one million broken links

Hi Clem

Good to meet you at the DAO editathon on Monday.

I'm now working my way through your 'Writing Your First Article' booklet, like a good student.

My article on Tony Heaton is progressing well.

Allan Sutherland

--Allan Sutherland (talk) 13:05, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Fastrack (fashion accessories)
Hi ClemRutter, When you moved the Fastrack article instead of it being "Fastrack (fashion accessories)" you had moved it to "Fastrack ( fashion accessories)" which is obviously incorrect - The article still exists I've just removed the extra space :), Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 18:10, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * :-) ClemRutter (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Note to myself

 * Draft:Tony Heaton is being worked on by User:Allan Sutherland (talk).

15th November (tomorrow!)
Hi Clem - so sorry I didn't make it to the meetup yesterday to see you - I had a bit of a gardening-related injury! If you can still come along tomorrow I'd be very grateful to have you there to help out. The editing part of the day will begin at about 2.30pm, so if you'd prefer to skip the talks and just come to that you could do, though you're very welcome to come for the whole day - whatever is best for you. Let me know if you can make it (and if you have any dietary requirements for lunch!). Zeromonk (talk) 09:56, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Clem - Thank you for the information. You may see us there tomorrow. Sent Zeromonk an email back today. Thisandthem (talk) 14:51, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for coming along today - it was brilliant having you here to get involved and help out! Zeromonk (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Hello Clem. --Russtmoul87 (talk) 14:59, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Ooops
Sorry about this - I was absolutely sure it was in article space when I edited it. Clearly I'm confused - I'd not usually edit something like that in userspace. Apologies and best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:37, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Confused- welcome to my world. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of it about!! :) Thanks for the nice reply. DBaK (talk) 12:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for Hand holding and a request for help.
@ ClemRutter, Hello!

Thank you for Hand holding. Errors aplenty in my edits, I acknowledge.

I am intrigued and fascinated with the World on this side of wiki. My respects continue to grow each day for the noble platform. I am also amazed at stalwarts who continue to contribute through & over a decade. My salutation to you too sir.

I continue to learn each day. I admit I am yet to go through the training manual you suggested. I am sure, I shall benefit from it once I start learning from it.

Besides the article on Household Stone tools in Karnataka, I request your help on another article Chigali. I requested for photos to upload on the article Chigali from one of the websites. They replied today that I can use the pics. Could you kindly help in this regard,


 * 1) I have email permission to use pics. Is it Ok to use?
 * 2) If I can use it on the page, could you please guide me to the steps to do so?
 * 3) Should any other permissions or procedure is required?

I am aware that I am taking your valuable time on such a trivial matter. My apologies.

Sincerely

--Kireadsalot (talk) 16:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@ ClemRutter, Hello

I wanted to share an update with you regarding the request for help in uploading of photos. I had requested for help from earlier. I got a reply for that. I am going about those steps now.

Thanks.

--Kireadsalot (talk) 08:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Housing estate in Roehampton
Hi Clem

We were discussing the Roehampton council estate at the meet up on Saturday, and just to let you know this is the one I had in mind: Alton Estate. I happened upon it during a cycle ride in the area a few weeks ago, having not realised it was there before. It looks like you haven't worked on that particular one yet! Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

The Roehampton estate was renamed the Dover House Estate and had no article. At the time with 1212 houses it was a big estate. I was going to call it the article Roehampton estate but that title had been taken by Leutha for Roehampton estate- a slave colony  Tooting, Roehampton,  Putney is untrodden soil for me- and I found Alton Estate on the Roehampton article so I will look at it soon. The Roehampton article is beautifully written but if you Google certain of the more memorable phrases- a lot of it seems to be a c&p copyvio. Work needed there. The other thing that I notice is the absence of photos on commons so if you have a camera handy it will save me a journey. I am pressing on with Dover House today but I will add a few tweaks to Alton soon. --ClemRutter (talk) 15:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course. That will give me an excuse to get back on the bike and go check that out in the next couple of weeks. Thanks, and good luck with the Dover House work! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Just FYI
In particular, referring to other editors' views as "stupidity" in title and style discussions, like Talk:Woodhead_Line, is the sort of unnecessary, personalized hostility that ArbCom case was getting at and which has resulted in sanctions being applied. Wikipedia not a social media debate forum, it's a collaborative work project. Please be civil in disagreements and try to resolve to consensus, not win fights. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  17:57, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Following up on this, you referred to "the total stupidity of the suggestion to change from the lines official name". I'm not that offended, as I'm used to wikipedians over-reacting to ideas they don't like, but I'm still at loss to understand what you're relying on for the line's "official name". Early sources, when the line was in operation in the 19th century, never called it the Woodhead line; later (in the 20th century) it was known as the "Woodhead line". Did it at some point get an official name? Did anyone capitalize it while it was running? Where is the stupidity in trying to follow WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS? Dicklyon (talk) 04:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Don't be offended- never the intention. What you are trying to do in hitting out out over-capitalisation (case) is generally a good thing. Bravo for that. I first hit his article way back, but I don't believe I have edited it. One of the first thing you do with a new articles is to check the case, and the definite books for rail lines are the Ian Allan Series. These were the basis for many of our articles. Working with the degree of trust we had for each other judgement we could recognise from the history whether the article was factually solid. Ian Allan are print books and are not digitised yet- but the railway buffs amongst us have them. in googling Ian Allen, I did find this publication
 * Bairstow, Martin. The Sheffield Ashton Under Lyne & Manchester Railway. The Woodhead Line. A detailed history and photographic study of the line containing a significant number of electric locomotive photographs. (pb) Published by author, 1986, pp72, isbn 0 9510302 4 8. VG (small inscription) £7


 * I was not intending to go into a full linguistic analysis of word usage along the line of the Woodhead route (which is how it has been referred to in Parliament since 2013) to distinguish between the old Woodhead Line and a potential reopened line on that route, the usage as Woodhead line as a shortform for the Woodhead rail line-- and the misusage by subeds on reliable papers known for their typos.

Trusting the expert editors of the past, rerunning those arguments is stupid. What we must do is look to our policy guidelines and see if we are allowed to use that name. We do. As I have now said elsewhere:
 * MOS:GEOUNITS (Institutions) gives categories of permitted use for Institutions and Geographical entities. The Woodhead Line is a clear geographical identity- it has a starting point, and finishing point, it is 41.5 miles long and has a defined width. The Panama Canal is 48 miles long .

You may not be aware of the political sensitivity of this line- (Google HS2 HS3 Northern Powerhouse) so the article will be watched-- this is a hell of a can of worms. ClemRutter (talk) 10:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings
Merry Christmas from me! Thanks for your company during 2016. Un-Festive?? We need to celebrate We have seen the percentage of articles on women rise from 15.5% to 16.77%. 20% is within our grasp and that's an increase of nearly a third% over what we first found. J24 is near the Coopers Arms (my local) Victuallers (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It is on my to do list for next time I visit Sherwood- and the grandchildren. ClemRutter (talk) 16:26, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Oroville Dam crisis
Mifter (talk) 12:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

New draft page - feedback wanted
Hi Clem, I made a new draft on Theatremaker and Comedian Jess Thom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jess_Thom

I've used your 'Disability Arts' template, and I've added 'Wikiproject Disability' template to the talk page...I think I'm starting to get the hang of this Wikipedia thing! Finally!

I would love your feedback on the article, and hope you're well. JTdisabilityartsonline (talk) 11:54, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * "I think I'm starting to get the hang of this Wikipedia thing! " I think you are! That's an excelllent piece of work.


 * As to constructive comments- well that is a hard task. I have read it twice now and nothing has jumped out of the page. So I went to Talk:Billy Connolly to compare. This is a B rated article- so I also hoped to find a reference to the Assessment criteria. WikiProject_Biography/Assessment I expanded out the criteria for a B. I think that is where you are aiming.


 * In the Lead bold the subject- what is a theatre-maker, that needs a wikilink. The infobox is there but I think we do need a photo- as she is alive and prominent I think just using a copyrighted newspaper pick and calling it fair use wont work. Read more at Non-free content. There is room for more wikilinking- particularly terms that non-theatre people might not know. Obviously don't go for over linking but there is only I link in the Disability Activism section. There is nothing explicit in the lead describing her role in DActivism and it should be there, both to create the synopsis and to hammer home her notability.


 * I look forward to seeing what the Draft assessor comes up with. Then when it is launched we can see again what we both have missed. Exciting.ClemRutter (talk) 14:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Oroville Dam crisis
Why is adding a wikilink to 2017 California floods at all controversial? I don't see any existing discussion of this on the talk page. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think this is a continuation of the discussions of 16th February, and tying to make the lead compliant with MOS. We should have the the title as the first wl'd bolded item in the first sentence. We haven't. My POV is your fact is vital, It should be in the first sentence. It should/must be there as the second mentioned fact- but not first as it take undue prominence. I can't see a way to do that- hence I hoped that others would come up with a magic solution through discussion.--ClemRutter (talk) 10:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, MOS says that the title does not have to be present or bolded in the first sentence when a descriptive title is used: WP:BOLDAVOID. The point that the wikilink should be later in the lead is a valid one, so I'll look for another place to put it. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 19:37, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Perfect. I see that 2017 California floods is one of your articles (well with a little help from your friends). And I was winging about this article lead! This Oroville article is good on the specifics but has no context- and the meteorological/ climatological cause I believe should be included in order to satisfy the general reader. Either before of after ==Investigation==, or if you are feeling brave in ==Background==. We are missing also a ==See also== where the overtopping at Anderson Lake (California) could get a link.
 * All these articles are important for the Global warming debate so we need to have them 'President proof'. Looking at 2017 California floods, the first sentence reads:
 * "The high-amplitude ridge off the West Coast that characterized the 2011–17 California drought was replaced by a persistent presence of anomalous troughs impacting California. Another feature in the 2013–2015 winters was the extreme temperature contrast between a warm western U.S. and a cold eastern continent. These anomalous temperature and circulation patterns were referred to as the North American winter “dipole”."
 * That is going to fun to edit! I'll keep watching and may be will dive in after Wednesday's edit-athon. ClemRutter (talk) 00:00, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I can't take too much credit for the 2017 California floods article; mainly I was surprised that it hadn't been started yet, so I split some text from other articles and added a few sentences of my own here and there. Mainly I wanted to provide a framework that others could build onto.  Yes, the "Causes" section of that article isn't very good, and if you can improve it that would be great! Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 00:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Category:List of mills in Kirklees has been nominated for discussion
Category:List of mills in Kirklees, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 14:49, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Category:Lists of mills in West Yorkshire has been nominated for discussion
Category:Lists of mills in West Yorkshire, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 20:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 14
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Secondary education, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Moravian. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Five years since we met?
Thanks Clem - I suspect we should have made more of your user guide at Newnham, but I wasn't expecting such a quality gift. A quick guide to the visual editor is missing. I am using your guide at Loughborough Uni on Friday and De Montfort Uni on Tuesday. Great gift - its on the Role Models page. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The most upto date version is on Women in Red Dropboxand I have done a |pdf. The only changes are cosmetic.
 * I haven't tried to do full coverage of Visual Editor as I don't use it and it is just not stable enough yet- their little tweaks in the screen formatting involves doing new screen dumps and even resetting the page- the kids screens have to look like the booklet six months after the event! I want to have a look at mobile phone editing too.
 * If you can provide some critical feedback on what works and what doesn't- it will be useful- you can email me a few photos of the the sheets covered in red pencil marks in the traditional way.
 * As I have said before these were never intended for distance learning or instruction- just a booklet to which a live tutor could refer when teaching a group of time-short professionals. It comes in multiples of 4 pages so it can be printed in A5 booklet form. It seems to have filled another niche too. So at the moment enjoy. ClemRutter (talk) 12:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As I have said before these were never intended for distance learning or instruction- just a booklet to which a live tutor could refer when teaching a group of time-short professionals. It comes in multiples of 4 pages so it can be printed in A5 booklet form. It seems to have filled another niche too. So at the moment enjoy. ClemRutter (talk) 12:24, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 1
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Reformatory, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hulks. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 11:09, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Secondary school
Material you included in the above article appears to have been copied from the copyright web page http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2ywfoIKO_RYJ:eprints.uwe.ac.uk/ or elsewhere online. Copying text directly from a source is a copyright violation. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:12, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Lets keep the conversation on one page. Great to chat. You know what I am attempting to do by looking on the talk page- sort out an article with multiple problems- I am grateful that you are helping. I have diffed the section below so we can work on- it is correctly sourced - and many of the words are the same. The subject is different, Richards is writing a list of goals for his students- that is the artistic effort. Here we are being encyclopedic and stating these as fact. He is using similar words in subsidary clauses, our work cannot be claimed to be derivative. Written as it was, it is a useful check list. So lets look at the bullet points and compare, and you can perhaps suggest improvements.


 * ==Secondary School as an institution==
 * − 	restore
 * The secondary school is a fundamental unit in a functioning society	
 * − 	New text- not covered in any way by reference- restore''


 * sociological methods can aid our understanding of educational processes and systems
 * − 	compare with By the end of this chapter you should be able to 1. Explain how sociology can aid our understanding of educational processes and systems


 * the key concepts and theoretical approaches in the sociology of education have changed over time
 * − compare with 2. Demonstrate an understanding of the key concepts and theoretical approaches in the sociology of education and how they have changed over time


 * the social context, social diversity and inequality impact on educational processes and outcomes delivered by the secondary school
 * −compare with 3. Developed an awareness of social context, of social diversity and inequality and their impact on educational processes and outcomes


 * different social groups achieve differential outcomes from engaging with education at the secondary level
 * − copare with 4. Explain in sociological terms why different social groups achieve differential outcomes from engaging with education


 * research strategies and methods in gaining knowledge will impact on how the secondary school is seen
 * -compare with 5. Outline an understanding of the nature and appropriate use of research strategies and methods in gaining knowledge in the sociology of education
 * -        restore''
 * -        restore''

Each one is slightly or significantly different. So what Have I missed this time. ClemRutter (talk) 23:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The addition was picked up by a bot and manually assessed by me. here is an assessment of the opverlap using Earwig's tool. The parts that are identical are highlighted (show up pink on my display). The differences between the source material and the material you added are inadequate to avoid copyvio, because it presents the same material in the same order using almost identical wording. That's why I removed the material. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:47, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I'll get back to you in a couple of days. ClemRutter (talk) 09:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 21
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 21, January-March 2017 by, , , ,

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:54, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * # 1lib1ref 2017
 * Wikipedia Library User Group
 * Wikipedia + Libraries at Wikimedia Conference 2017
 * Spotlight: Library Card Platform

Twenty-four thousand edits
This is my 24 000th edit.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Congrats on a major milestone. Dicklyon (talk) 03:49, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires proper attribution
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Clogging into Clog dancing. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g.,. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted copied template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. If you are the sole author of the prose that was moved, attribution is not required. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 16:01, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Digital Marketing & Social Media
Hi, I am on the Digital Marketing and Social Media masters module at Loughborough University and wanted to stop by to let you know that I have now started my Wikipedia journey!--RyanHarris19 (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Clem - This user is using your guide!! He has got confused because it was Roger Bamkin who gave it to him. Your guide is very useful and it is being used. Ryan - well done. my talk page is here Victuallers (talk) 10:10, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Greetings, - Its good to know that I am now writing prescribed texts for Loughborough University! ;-) If there is any way I can clarify the mysteries of Wikipedia- come back to me on my Talk page or with an email- it is useful for me to have feedback on any of my booklets and text and suggestions for improvements. I haven't followed up on what the Digital Marketing and Social Media masters actually covers- so suggestions on how I/we can focus the material would be helpful.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I was toying with the idea of formatting the pages for Wikibooks or Wikiversity. Is this worthwhile? If so which? Whats missing? Is there a better way?--ClemRutter (talk) 11:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Learning points so far - Admins who see two new users looking at the same article on the same day assume its a sock.
 * Do register your account days and ideally weeks before you need it. On the other hand - dont assume that you can just type stuff press save save and that will be it. If you have an assignment then complete it a week before the deadline (leave some contingency).


 * Personally I've been surprised to find that users sand boxes can easily get reverted. They need watching over. Are you interested in helping to look over this group? They are all rushing for the deadline and they are getting some pushback from other editors. Victuallers (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * If you want something done ask a busy man. Sure. I'll give a hand. Do you Want to send me a few links and a list of your ducklings. ClemRutter (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Well I guess you know how good you are. Ive created a list of the user names here. They know about refs and not cutting and pasting and the sandbox. They were using the visual editor. They are trying to write stuff about digital marketing.... Victuallers (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Clem,

My name is Jordan Chappell and I'm a on the Msc Marketing course at Loughborough University. --Jordapedia (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Editing News #1—2017
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter

<div style="float:right;width:230px;margin-left:1em;border-style:solid;border-width:1px;padding:1em;"> Did you know?

Did you know that you can review your changes visually?

When you are finished editing the page, type your edit summary and then choose "". In visual mode, you will see additions, removals, new links, and formatting highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.



Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.



The wikitext diff is the same diff tool that is used in the wikitext editors and in the page history.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and adding the new visual diff tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes
A new wikitext editing mode is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. The 2017 wikitext editor has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. Go to Special:Preferences to enable the.

A new visual diff tool is available in VisualEditor's visual mode. You can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. More features will be added to this later. In the future, this tool may be integrated into other MediaWiki components. 

The team have added multi-column support for lists of footnotes. The  block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. 

Other changes:
 * You can now use your web browser's function to switch typing direction in the new wikitext mode. This is particularly helpful for RTL language users like Urdu or Hebrew who have to write JavaScript or CSS. You can use Command+Shift+X or Control+Shift+X to trigger this.
 * The way to switch between the visual editing mode and the wikitext editing mode is now consistent. There is a drop-down menu that shows the two options. This is now the same in desktop and mobile web editing, and inside things that embed editing, such as Flow.
 * The item has been moved to the top of the  menu (from clicking on the  VisualEditor - Icon - Menu.svg icon) for quicker access.  There is also now a "Templates used on this page" feature there.
 * You can now create   tags (sometimes used as  ) for chemical formulas inside the visual editor.
 * Tables can be set as collapsed or un-collapsed.
 * The menu now includes characters for Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and angle quotation marks (‹› and ⟨⟩) .  The team thanks the volunteer developer, Tpt.
 * A bug caused some section edit conflicts to blank the rest of the page. This has been fixed.  The team are sorry for the disruption.
 * There is a new keyboard shortcut for citations:  + +  on a PC, or  + +  on a Mac.  It is based on the keyboard shortcut for making links, which is  +  on a PC or  +  on a Mac.

Future changes

 * The VisualEditor team is working with the Community Tech team on a syntax highlighting tool. It will highlight matching pairs of   tags and other types of wikitext syntax.  You will be able to turn it on and off.  It will first become available in VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode, maybe late in 2017.
 * The kind of button used to, , and finish an edit will change in all WMF-supported wikitext editors. The new buttons will use OOjs UI.  The buttons will be larger, brighter, and easier to read.  The labels will remain the same.  You can test the new button by editing a page and adding   to the end of the URL, like this:  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox?action=edit&ooui=1  The old appearance will no longer be possible, even with local CSS changes.
 * The outdated 2006 wikitext editor will be removed later this year. It is used by approximately 0.03% of active editors.  See a list of editing tools on mediawiki.org if you are uncertain which one you use.

If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Digital Marketing Course February
Hi, my name is Silvia and I am on your Digital Marketing and Social Media course at Loughborough university.--Silviagua (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Welcome on board, if you need me to do read over a draft- or have questions I will be here on-line this evening and tomorrow. ClemRutter (talk) 07:18, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Nottingham HS
I think some information does not need an attached citation. For an establishment like this, it is largely going to be internal knowledge. Students of the school know it is true, but there may not be a source to confirm it. Some citations - if you read them - are totally irrelevant and do not assist in providing information. They seem to be there just to 'tick the box'. -Sb2001 (talk) 19:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


 * In a state school, I would be able to knock off those references from the annual governors report to parents, or in the prospectus issued at secondary school transfer- or the adverts taken out by the school in the local press at transfer time. I am sure, that someone must have written a recent history. The problem comes when the article starts to look for GA status and this 'petty' points will be raised then. It is better to do it now. And until you have a reference you are not safe from roaming- deletionistas. Yes, there are articles that are over-referenced, one can spend an amusing 20 minutes cleaning them up- but here my rule is 'one interesting fact', 'explain where it can be verified (drop in a ref), and then a line in the edit summary to say what you have done. It is important to demonstrate this in schools articles to set a good example to the next generation of editors. ClemRutter (talk) 19:52, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We're also not in a position to include "internal knowledge" material of any kind if it cannot be verified with a published source. Doesn't matter how true it may be.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  07:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Navbox links
Navbox with collapsible groups

Swedish post-war prefabricated houses
Have a look at Swedish post-war prefabricated houses. A friend of mine lives in one and I am trying to persuade him to take some photos inside!Leutha (talk) 06:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I have been a little occupied doing some forensics producing Lancaster West Estate- and one of the buildings that was part of the scheme. Do join in. John has started WikiProject Social Housing in the United Kingdom which will require a little muscle to get started. See you Sunday. --ClemRutter (talk) 08:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

A sub-page? Discuss
This had been created in response to the part you commented on at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grenfell_Tower_fire#A_sub-page.3F_Discuss.

Grenfell Tower casualties
As of 28 June 2017, the official presumed number of deaths was 80. As of 5 July 2017, 21 victims have been formally identified and their families informed. A handful more are missing and assumed dead,


 * Please discuss at the Talk page and gain consensus before adding these names.


 * 1) Abdeslam Sebbar (aged 77, 11th floor)
 * 2) Abufars Ibrahim (39, 23rd floor)
 * 3) Ali Yawar Jafari (81, 11th floor)
 * 4) Anthony Disson (British, 65, 22nd floor)
 * 5) Farah Hamdan (Moroccan, 31, in a stairwell between the 20th and 19th)
 * 6) Gloria Trevisan (Italy, 26, 23rd floor)
 * 7) Marco Gottardi (Italy, 26, 23rd floor)
 * 8) Husna Begum (22, floor ?)
 * 9) Mohammad Alhajali, 23, floor ?
 * 10) Jessica Urbanno, 2?, floor ?
 * 11) Isaac Paulos (5, 18th floor)
 * 12) Khadija Khalloufi (52, 17th floor)
 * 13) Leena Belkadi (Moroccan, 6 months, 20th floor)
 * 14) Malak Belkadi (Moroccan, 8, initially rescued, later died, 20th floor)
 * 15) Omar Belkadi (Moroccan, 32, 20th floor)
 * 16) Mo Tuccu (44)
 * 17) Mohammad Al Haj Ali (23, 14th floor)
 * 18) Rabeya Begum (64)
 * 19) Saber Neda, also known as Mohamed Amied Neda (57, 23rd floor)
 * 20) Ya-Haddy Sisi Saye also known as Khadija Saye (Gambia, 24, 20th floor)
 * 21) Sheila Smith (84, 17th floor)
 * 22) Vincent Chiejina (60, 16th floor)


 * Some names have not yet been released to the public, at the families' request.

The police said they were using "every imaginable source" of information "from government agencies to fast food companies" to identify casualties, but did not expect a final figure until 2018 when the search and recovery operation is over. On 28 June, the authorities stated that there were known survivors from 106 of the tower's 129 flats; eighteen people among the occupants of these flats were reported as dead or missing presumed dead, whereas most of those killed were said to have been in the remaining 23 flats between the 11th and 23rd floors. Some people from lower floors may have tried to move up the building, and it is thought a number of people may have ended up in one flat. Some victims were identified from twenty-six 999 calls made from inside the 23 flats.

The missing include many children including Amaya Ahmedin (aged 3, 19th floor), Biruk Habtom (aged 12), Fathia Ibrahim, Fatima Choucair, Firdaws Hashim, Hania Ibrahim, Jeremiah Dean (2, 14th floor), Jessica Urbano Ramiez (12, 20th floor), Mehdi El-Wahabi (8), Mierna Choucair, Yaqub Hashim, Yayha Hashim and Zeinab Choucair. The youngest of those known killed, Leena Belkadi, was just 6 months old. One victim died in hospital on 15 June due to inhalation of fire fumes. Additionally, one survivor suffered a stillbirth as a result of the fire.

A total of 151 homes were destroyed in the tower and surrounding area. The incident ranks as the deadliest structural fire in the United Kingdom since the start of the 20th century, when detailed records began. The death toll is higher than the Bradford City stadium fire of 1985, which killed 56 people.


 * 1) https://en.yabiladi.com/articles/details/55093/grenfell-tower-youngest-victim-moroccan.html
 * 2) https://www.rt.com/uk/392547-grenfell-victims-identified-police/
 * 3) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40327357
 * 4) http://news.sky.com/story/isaac-paulous-aged-five-identified-as-victim-of-grenfell-tower-fire-10928606
 * 5) https://www.newsoneplace.com/14387061701/grenfell-tower-victim-identified
 * 6) https://www.newsoneplace.com/14795471701/grenfell-tower-victim-identified
 * 7) http://www.ghanavisions.com/news/world/155984-grenfell-tower-victim-identified-by-her-dental-records.html

79.77.193.0 (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

79.77.221.247 (talk) 14:09, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

"Homes fit for heroes"
Thanks for your edit to Public housing in the United Kingdom. I found the article while researching what was meant by "council housing." It was jarring to see the catchy phrase "homes fit for heroes," clearly someone's snappy wordsmithing, without quotarion marks or in-text attribution. I changed it to common terminology, then you restored it with quotes, which is an improvement over the article as I found it, since it implies the phrase is not just some Wikipedia editor's creation. How about if the section explained that it was the theme of a movement and was coined by Lloyd George, since your edit summary is not going to be easily accessible to future readers? I doubt that anyone outside the UK is familiar with the term's history. Your edit comment that it is being explained in the cited book is not adequate, since few will drive  miles to consult the book(not viewable online)  in some university library. As an aside, I got interested in British housing after watching a TV show "Can't pay? We'll take it away" in which 2 repo men who are "sheriffs"  show up with a writ from the "High Court" to politely evict tenants who haven't paid their rent in months, and have ignored eviction notices. Regards. Edison (talk) 23:39, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

.It is such a common phrase, that we overlook the fact that there may be folk who don't know it.Yes something can be done- it is about fitting it all in. I have added a further online link- and wikilinked to Homes fit for heroes which redirects to Council house. This still needs a efn- to explain the Lloyd George 24 Nov 1918 speech. You may have noticed that a group of us are setting up WP:SHUK, and we would be glad if you joined us. We have been distracted by the need to research and document Grenfell Tower and the Lancaster West Estate. --ClemRutter (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Peking Ship
Just to say -> Thanks and appreciated. About Reconstruction, you find a video in NDR or Stftung Maritim Facebook or even Peking Verein about it. Yard first Man explains what they plan to do with her, this was on last monday at brunsbüttel south port press conference, almost in detail. Of course I tried to resume the whole history in short easy words. If I was not succeed, sorry. I really do not know which language I really speak, today is a mix of many and many people complain about all my abilities. We at home made our own language to say the truth, a mix of many. So living is an issue. As for me now the most important are animals and today I received a bad news of young lion lovey dovey in mexico, who has a spinal bad tumor and probably will die soon with only 1.5 years old at black jaguar white tiger foundation, my head became sad, because I love the lion, so the Peking was slept to end priority. Well, did 129 pictures of BAP UNION & further PEKING on river to yard... however I kept them in my facebook group, where I fully administrate, and leave wiki for you experts. At home, I prefer no 'fighting' anymore with humans situations. It was festive, much people of all kind and finally fireworks at yard.... It is in your hands, I left some links and all is in internet. Great Luck Regards. --88.70.20.21 (talk) 20:30, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Please correct Link '5' > First Aid > http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/Die-Peking-braucht-dringend-Erste-Hilfe,peking1296.html & http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/Pressekonferenz-zur-Rueckkehr-der-Peking,peking1318.html & https://www.facebook.com/Viermaster.Peking/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.20.21 (talk) 21:15, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Leave it with me a few days. Und Mischmaschsprache- kein problem. ClemRutter (talk) 08:44, 5 Augu

--

Books and Bytes - Issue 23
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 23, June-July 2017

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Chinese, Arabic and Yoruba versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta! Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Library card
 * User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Spotlight: Combating misinformation, fake news, and censorship
 * Bytes in brief

This Month in GLAM: August 2017
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 08:14, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

March for Europe, 3nd September 2016, the march to Parliament Square. Cockspur Street then Trafalgar Square
Hello Clem, trying to send a Wiki message No idea if this right, very confusing setup it is).I've download your image: March for Europe, 3nd September 2016, the march to Parliament Square. Cockspur Street then Trafalgar Square for use in a short article about Brexit in a Scandinavian education mag 'The School Times'. Thanks for making it available. Best from the EU Schooltimes (talk) 08:39, 14 September 2017 (UTC)schooltimes
 * Thanks- glad to be of assistance. --ClemRutter (talk) 14:07, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

"A week of solid content work"
Hi. Regarding your comment on the AN/I 1RR discussion, here's a link to my content edits for the last 7 days. If I've counted correctly, that's 148 edits, including substantial contributions to The Economic Consequences of the Peace. It's true that that's quite a low count for me for a week, but it happened to coincide with a week in which I started a new work project, and spent much more then my usual time in rehearsal.

I'm quite sure that I spend too much time on the noticeboards, but I do try to not let it get in the way of working on content. I will also acknowledge that I am far from a perfect editor, and have a full panoply of personal foibles, but I really am dedicated to improving the encyclopedia in whatever I do. People can certainly differ in good faith about the particulars, but I can assure you that my motivations and intentions are always proper.

In any case, thanks for your comment in that discussion. If I used your name previously in a way that offended you, I apologize for that.

Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:34, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

That was rude.
The reason I removed it was obvious.

 ''PLUTO IS NOT A FREAKING PLANET. SERIOUSLY. THE COLUMN SAYS PLANET. PLUTO IS NOT ONE. THUS I REMOVED THE ROW.'' 

Sincerely, a very irritated editor. 8.40.151.110 (talk) 03:41, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * and that obviously gives you the right to be RUDE; My Excellent Man Just Showed Us Nine Planets.....Edmund Patrick – confer 07:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Not ending up as Cassini–Huygens
Thank you for engaging with me on my talk page- but it wasn't really necessary, all that was required was for you provide a source (a reference) to your obvious fact, and a clear explanation in the ed an it summary. By editing using ip address, everyone who monitors these pages will assume you are a vandal, you could head this off by editing under a clearer user name. Looking at your edit history, you have caused yourself a lot of grief in the past, when your clarity of thought should have been lauded. We have an encyclopedia to write- and you are a part of it- shouting at your co-workers is never the correct solution, but enough of that onward with task and do ping me when you have a user name. I am cross posting this as I am not sure what you have tagged. ClemRutter (talk) 08:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017
Your recent editing history at Nude swimming shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Binksternet (talk) 23:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


 * No- everything has been signalled on the talk page. Each of my edits has built on the original text. You and another editor have chosen to delete referenced text. I am satisfied that my current version is robust, and provides a base page for future reversions when others choose to rebuild the page if there are further deletions. Please use the talk page to discuss any issues you may have.ClemRutter (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


 * What complete nonsense. You supplied a terribly unreliable blog post and a Youtube link at first, then you reposted the blog source along with IMDb, hoping that would cement your text. Unfortunately, the text you supplied was your own fabrication, based not at all on the cited sources. If that's your "robust" version then you have very great challenges to surmount. Binksternet (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Anyway it is good to talk. The fact is that it is there- and shaky or not it is a substantial site, and if you read the reference you will see it if fairly anodyne. If you have time to look for a better reference feel free- I am not a youtube or film buff but may have seen the movie when it first came out- I am sure that a film buff will be able to lay their hands on it in seconds. Have you any better wording in mind? In doing deletions you need to be careful not to lose any data- and I do think that describing a deletion 'as editors work' is stretching a point. Looking at the references for some of the films, they do contain a lot of additional information which we shouldn't lose- I would be tempted to split them- and put some of that stuff in an efn so they appear as a separate footnote- but alternatively, they are wandering away from the articles title (off-focus), so the footnotes would be UNDUE. Any ideas? ClemRutter (talk) 00:07, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * If you're looking for advice I would say read through the policy WP:No original research a few times. The text you offer up to readers should be a summary of published sources rather than your own creation. If you cannot find published sources to support an idea for a Wikipedia contribution then don't post the contribution.
 * Also, it's not enough that a notional list entry in nude swimming can be confirmed to contain some amount of nude swimming. The proposed list entry must have been noticed by third party observers publishing in reliable sources. If none of these can be found then the proposed entry is not important to the topic and should not be added. Binksternet (talk) 00:33, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Quarry Bank Mill
Please see and contribute to the discussion on the talk page. I am minded to delete the section on the slave trade on grounds of irrelevance - if you disagree please say why Brownturkey (talk) 16:17, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2017
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 03:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

William Crosley
Hi, I just noticed your comment on the two William Crosleys on Talk:Macclesfield Canal and have responded there. Regards. Bob1960evens (talk) 12:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 24
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 24, August-September 2017

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Arabic, Kiswahili and Yoruba versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta! Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:53, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Star Coordinator Award - last quarter's star coordinator: User:Csisc
 * Wikimania Birds of a Feather session roundup
 * Spotlight: Wiki Loves Archives
 * Bytes in brief

"Highly"
Using the adverb "highly" is voicing an opinion, so the same really applies if you had added "ridiculously" or "barely". If you have sources that define how they are selective in a factual manner, then feel free to add. I'm not certain why this needs to be in the lead sentence though, calling them selective would appear to be adequate. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:03, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I was just on your talk page- I think the comment stands, but we can discuss it here:

"Greetings. I agree 'highly' could be seen as POV. However I don't believe you had time to read Peter Read's article and the Telegraph article, or to google further before you, in good faith, reverted. This has been a serious issue in Kent and Bromley since 1968! Would you like to study the literature and suggest an alternative wording that will not be seen as party political. If you read the current controversy at Olave's you will see that this little word was deliberate. I hasten to add I did not write the original text."--ClemRutter (talk) 21:08, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Its all in the references, on receiving Circular 10/66 and 11/68. the 2 local authorities fought tooth and nail not to introduce comprehensive education. Kent did so by looking at the wording, and putting forward a scheme- where it would trial comprehensive schools in 4 small areas saying if the experiment was successful then they would roll them out gradually. Bromley introduced comps- but redefined two schools as super-selectives, a term no-one had heard off, these were 'locally' described as highly selective schools with their own entrance exams. The reference tell the story, and provide the source WP needs for use of one of the words.
 * The dilemma is that for the general reader, super-selective is just an obscure technical term, that would need a lot of explanation while 'highly' is a common (albeit POV-laden) word. Missing it out would suggest that Bromley was breaking the law (a deeply held Labour Party belief). As a former governor of a Kent Comprehensive, I daren't go too deep as that could generate a WP:COI allegation. -- ClemRutter (talk) 21:34, 29 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I understand the problem. "Highly" appears to be an opinion, "super selective" is obscure, and appears to be something a pupil might jokingly add.  My question is; does this need to be in the lead sentence?  Can the school's selection process not be covered later in the article, where it can be explained properly? Why does it need to be the very first thing said about the school?  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 17:47, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If I had an answer- I would have quietly been "bold". Pupils in Bromley, Bexley, NW Kent would not joke about this- though they might elsewhere. A thousand sets of parents compete to get their nice kids into one of the 120 places- by extreme coaching, tutoring Saturday and Sunday classes, memorising past papers- buying test questions- all so they won't end up going to a grammar (sic) school. The other side of the problem is that Olaves is not a 'selective' school. It does not appear on the list of 'selective' schools they may go to if they pass the Kent test (Eleven Plus). These would include Bexley Grammar School, Dartford Grammar School, Betts, Syd and Chis etc.  Comparable Direct grant grammar schools in the north of England such as Manchester Grammar School went independent. In short, it is the most significant fact that a parent needs to read- it is the most significant fact that a journalist needs to read before they try to explain the nature of the existing scandals. Sadly it needs to be in the lead.
 * So, back to 'highly'. A solution may be to use a hyphen, highly-selective may work, or just leave be and attach a efn that could contain a synopsis of this discussion. ClemRutter (talk) 20:37, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If it is, as you say, the most significant fact then it should be easy to find a source to cite. I've yet to see one that supports this description for either school. It also can't be emphasised enough that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a parents' guide to good schools.  (I also doubt any parent with designs on sending their child to either school is using the lead sentence on Wikipedia articles to instruct them.)  Your suggestion of a efn also looks like a suggestion that original research and synthesis may function as a cite.  It may not. Please find a source to directly support what is appearing on the article.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 21:48, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Here, just trying to be helpful- If I had the solution I would have done it. You could try this its not a site I have probed for RS. Now Chelsfield this is RS]- and may be what you are looking for. A blog in a RS Huffingdon Post is possible too. A commercial site talks about coaching for super-selectives but adds Dartford Grammar to the list (which personally I query) along with Skinners and Judds that I can accept. [The Telegraph] attempts to define super-selectives (note hyphen) in terms of scoring on the Kent Test (417 out of 420), and the good school guide links to a description of pass marks on the Kent test.

All this providing of references seems too close to OR and WP:SYNTH for the purist. Do you find what you need there? Failing that I see that there is another solution emerging, that may work. Write a stub on super-selectives, written from the perspective of the Kent test criteria- then link to super-selective from the Olaves ans NW page- it would satisfy my objection to writing a falsehood, and your objection to 'highly'. It would be time consuming to work that up past a 'B' though. ClemRutter (talk) 23:53, 30 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Of the links you provide, I think this one] gets closest to what is needed, and it's not brilliant. This one has the air of a personal website to it.  It offers no indication of who runs it and doesn't look professional.  The others, as you indicate, merely discuss what a super-selective school is and provide no verification about Olave's or Newstead Wood.
 * I ask again; why do you think that this confusing definition has to be in the lead sentence at all? If it requires explanation and a factual demonstration of accuracy then there is plenty of space in the article to expand on it.  Your idea of a super-selective stub may work, but an easier solution is simply to remove it from the lead.  It's not essential that it appears there.
 * Could we also continue this discussion on Talk:St_Olave's_Grammar_School, so that other may better contribute? -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 13:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2017
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 02:18, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

innocent times, surely not!
Just in case you're interested, |a time when people sponsored dials as a mark of recognition. Edmund Patrick – confer 16:26, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2017
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 20:46, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 25
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 25, October – November 2017

<div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Arabic, Korean and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta! Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * OAWiki & #1Lib1Ref
 * User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Spotlight: Research libraries and Wikimedia
 * Bytes in brief

Disambiguation link notification for December 18
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Abraham Moss Community School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page BTEC ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Abraham_Moss_Community_School check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Abraham_Moss_Community_School?client=notify fix with Dab solver]). Such links are usually incorrect, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. (Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.)

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 12:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Jesse Ellis for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jesse Ellis is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Jesse Ellis until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 13:05, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox UK school
Template:Infobox UK school has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox school. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2017
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 21:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

WPSCH
FYI: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Schools. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Holbein's painting The Ambassadors,
Hello again Clem, hope all is well. the wiki article The Ambassadors (Holbein) lists a blue link Universal equinoctial dial (disassembled) which sends the reader to, guess what, Sundials. I can understand the confusion as the painting was created in 1533. So one of the articles is either wrong on date or wrong on type of time measuring equipment is shown.where do we go next? Edmund Patrick – confer 11:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * unless the important part is the word "ring". ambassadors says Universal equinoctial dial whereas the editor is looking for a universal equinoctial ring dial. maybe suitable working in the article to stop further confusion? Yours Edmund Patrick – confer 11:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Astronomical rings discusses them all quite thoroughly. I really think that Mr Holbein should have been more diligent in his use of Wikipedia, or at least John North should have consulted with the Wellcome Library --ClemRutter (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Schools
School articles are typical targets for vandalism, and unsourced additions (particularly alumni). Don't be too timid about getting them protected or vandal accounts blocked. Quickest and most efficient is to ask me direct on my talk page. As you have seen, I usually react quite quickly. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

And Fortimere School in particular
I find that this is an interesting case study.

Firstly I have had a look at all our top importance UK schools. No comprehensives, no state schools, no girls schools and only one mixed-school. And 50% in West London, all in the south. This seems wildly imbalanced. I can understand Eton but why not Benenden or Roedean. I can understand Summerhill but why not the Stantonbury Campus. Eton is tiny with 1250 pupils, Nottingham Academy has 3870. Why not Manchester Grammar School (1515) 211 notable alumni or Stoneyhurst (163 alumni including 3 saints), both are north of the Mersey? Do the criteria need to be examined again?

Secondly we are short of model articles on state schools where we can direct new users looking for inspiration. Could you bring it up to a B, or pen a few lines to explain how it fails- this school has the advantage of being a foundation school and history. The comparison it could be useful when writing WP:WPSCH/AG and explaining assessment. ClemRutter (talk) 17:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Clem
I'm teaching again at Loughborough University next month - and we'll be using your guide. Although not decided whether to focus on visual editing yet. All the best Victuallers (talk) 15:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


 * . If there are any changes to be made- let me know. There is a very easy warm-up task for undergraduates. If they look at Infobox UK school on any schools page they will not normally find  it is a very quick way to make a spectacular difference. See Lees Brook Community School Thirty students doing 20 or so edits in different counties- could make a lot of progress. I am interested in watching undergrads trying to edit on their mobile phones- it sure beats me, but maybe their fingers and brains have evolved to the point where it is possible. At any rate, having a phone friendly tutorial material is worth thinking about.ClemRutter (talk) 16:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks Clem, These are masters students - mostly Chinese, but I'm not sure I'm up to teaching it on a phone!! Victuallers (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 30
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited School uniforms in England, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Bloomers ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/School_uniforms_in_England check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/School_uniforms_in_England?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:36, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 26
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 26, December – January 2018 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Arabic and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta!
 * # 1Lib1Ref
 * User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Spotlight: What can we glean from OCLC’s experience with library staff learning Wikipedia?
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 13:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for February 10
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited School uniforms in England, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page John Lewis ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/School_uniforms_in_England check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/School_uniforms_in_England?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:35, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Cash's name tapes
Hallo Clem, Cash's exists - rather than proposing a merge formally, would you like to just turn your new item into a redirect? (My parents used up our old school nametapes, just the surname, putting them into the coats and jackets which they regularly left behind at meetings etc!) Pam  D  22:28, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * And Companies House https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08630374 seems to show that the company number became GFKK Ltd and then Cash's Apparel Solutions. Pam  D  22:30, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I also remember buying for my parents a splendid luggage strap with their unusual surname woven into it, which I then passed on to a male cousin, the only remaining holder of the surname in the family, on their demise! Was reminded because the site at https://jjcash.co.uk/woven-collection.php still shows luggage straps.  Pam  D  22:34, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Good to work together again. I came across these again when I was looking at small article on school uniforms in England and the public schools usually specified a mandatory supplier- and they insisted on using Cash's name tapes by name. I have set up the redirect to an anchor, but I think that there is more that can be added- it does explain the By Royal Appointment bit. --ClemRutter (talk) 23:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Precious five years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for February 25
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited SB Kathleen, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Transom ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/SB_Kathleen check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/SB_Kathleen?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:08, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

SB Centaur
Hi. Thank you for the thanks. The article may look a little odd for a while, as I have inserted a description section. It may be empty for a couple of days while I try to research a technical description - I have a vague idea of trying to work it up to GA status. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:28, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks from me as well, it looks an interesting article. One question - the article says it is now located at "The Hythe in Maldon" but those look like different places to me. Is "The Hythe" link pointing to the wrong one? Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:38, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


 * That's forensic. Well spotted. Thank you. It looks as if someone has gone a little link happy at some stage. Fixed. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

I have been spending a lot of time on SB Kathleen and particularly the diagrams, which can be easily modified for any barge. The "I have a vague idea of trying to work it up to GA status." is an awesome idea! Go for it- I could learn so much from just being a minion- and will put in help when required. ClemRutter (talk) 15:25, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Editing News #1—2018
Read this in another language • Subscription list for the English Wikipedia • Subscription list for the multilingual edition Did you know? Did you know that you can now use the visual diff tool on any page?



Sometimes, it is hard to see important changes in a wikitext diff. This screenshot of a wikitext diff (click to enlarge) shows that the paragraphs have been rearranged, but it does not highlight the removal of a word or the addition of a new sentence.

If you enable the Beta Feature for "", you will have a new option. It will give you a new box at the top of every diff page. This box will let you choose either diff system on any edit.

Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.

In the visual diff, additions, removals, new links, and formatting changes will be highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.



This screenshot shows the same edit as the wikitext diff. The visual diff highlights the removal of one word and the addition of a new sentence. An arrow indicates that the paragraph changed location.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode, which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and improving the visual diff tool. Their work board is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changes

 * The 2017 wikitext editor is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. It has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools.  The team have been comparing the performance of different editing environments.  They have studied how long it takes to open the page and start typing.  The study uses data for more than one million edits during December and January.  Some changes have been made to improve the speed of the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual editor.  Recently, the 2017 wikitext editor opened fastest for most edits, and the 2010 WikiEditor was fastest for some edits.  More information will be posted at Contributors/Projects/Editing performance.
 * The visual diff tool was developed for the visual editor. It is now available to all users of the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor.  When you review your changes, you can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs.  You can also enable the new Beta Feature for "Visual diffs".  The Beta Feature lets you use the visual diff tool to view other people's edits on page histories and Special:RecentChanges.
 * Wikitext syntax highlighting is available as a Beta Feature for both the 2017 wikitext editor and the 2010 wikitext editor.
 * The citoid service automatically translates URLs, DOIs, ISBNs, and PubMed id numbers into wikitext citation templates. This tool has been used at the English Wikipedia for a long time.  It is very popular and useful to editors, although it can be tricky for admins to set up.  Other wikis can have this service, too.  Please read the instructions. You can ask the team to help you enable citoid at your wiki.

Let's work together

 * The team is planning a presentation about editing tools for an upcoming Wikimedia Foundation metrics and activities meeting.
 * Wikibooks, Wikiversity, and other communities may have the visual editor made available by default to contributors. If your community wants this, then please contact Dan Garry.
 * The  block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens.  This makes footnotes easier to read.  This has already been enabled at the English Wikipedia.  If you want columns for a long list of footnotes on this wiki, you can use either   or the plain (no parameters)   template.  If you edit a different wiki, you can request multi-column support for your wiki.
 * If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly. We will notify you when the next issue is ready for translation. Thank you!

—User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Rochester-built
Re this - Medway is no more ambiguous than Clyde in, I think you have to draw the line somewhere - whilst also avoiding WP:OVERCATEGORISATION (and I was also avoiding a WP:REDNOT. And it's not as though Rochester is unambiguous.... Le Deluge (talk) 18:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I sounded a bit aggressive, or protective. There were a lot of redlinks to conquer. National Historic Ships site uses Rochester for both port of registration, and build. Look also at the transoms and you see the barge described as Lady Daphne of Rochester. This extend nto childrens fiction with the Welcome of Rochester featuring in the Coot Club. In the reference books on barges that I am using, admittedly from 1950s, there are fewer mentions of the Medway than Rochester. There were many and that has a category, Rochester and Strood and possibly Frindsbury will be following that example. Look to the London River and there is a thriving subcat- for Northfleet and a less thriving one for Gravesend again forming a precedent. Doing it this way will save time in the future-  I hope. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Syllabus (legal)
Hi, two remarks about this creation:
 * It doesn't seem to be included in the source
 * it is a dictionary definition and as such belongs on Wiktionary, not here, per WP:NOTDICTIONARY.

If you agree, can you tag it for G7 speedy deletion please? Fram (talk) 14:54, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry- There is a lot of work to be done on syllabus. This stops a red link Syllabus (disambiguation), which starts to open up syllabus which is in the schools domain. I hope that some one with legal experience can expand this. You are right- it was top of Google too! Here is a US example.

--ClemRutter (talk) 15:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 16:06, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 13
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited SB Kathleen, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Joyce Green ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/SB_Kathleen check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/SB_Kathleen?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Stalybridge Mill, Stalybridge 0008.png
Hi Clem, how are you? I just came across File:Stalybridge Mill, Stalybridge 0008.png - did you mean to publish this as a fair-use image, or could you release it under a free license, please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:09, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I did try, if you look at the category Category:Mills owned by the Lancashire Cotton Corporation Limited you will see 49 files from the same book all dated around 2009- and 49 articles all dated from the same  time. They were all replacements for the 49 images that I had uploadded to commons that were deleted by a kind wikignome. I persisted as you would expect. If you know of a way to get them onto commons- we can try again and do a third mass upload. I am not getting up-north as often now as the surrogate daughter in Glossop has moved down to Languedoc- and the grandchildren are in Nottingham. But meet up soon.--ClemRutter (talk) 09:15, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 23
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited SB Xylonite, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Bob ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/SB_Xylonite check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/SB_Xylonite?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:05, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Requets
Hello. Help more sources and expand the newspaper Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you very much.171.248.246.158 (talk) 10:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I got one too! Matter closed.--ClemRutter (talk) 10:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 4
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Wouldham, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Halling ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Wouldham check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Wouldham?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:03, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 14:48, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 13
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited SB Phoenician, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Maldon ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/SB_Phoenician check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/SB_Phoenician?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:22, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 27
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 27, February – March 2018 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Arabic, Chinese and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta!
 * # 1Lib1Ref
 * New collections
 * Alexander Street (expansion)
 * Cambridge University Press (expansion)
 * User Group
 * Global branches update
 * Wiki Indaba Wikipedia + Library Discussions
 * Spotlight: Using librarianship to create a more equitable internet: LGBTQ+ advocacy as a wiki-librarian
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:50, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 26
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Thames sailing barge, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Gaff ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Thames_sailing_barge check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Thames_sailing_barge?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:14, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 11:52, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 19:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 28
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 28, April – May 2018 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Arabic, Chinese, Hindi, Italian and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta!
 * # 1Bib1Ref
 * New partners
 * Rock's Backpages
 * Invaluable
 * Termsoup
 * User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Wikipedia Library global coordinators' meeting
 * Spotlight: What are the ten most cited sources on Wikipedia? Let's ask the data
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Isca Academy uniform protest.jpeg
Thanks for uploading File:Isca Academy uniform protest.jpeg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:37, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 30
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Thames Estuary, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Kentish Knock ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Thames_Estuary check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Thames_Estuary?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:11, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 11:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Conversion of historic units to SI in land title
I don't know anything about US practice but proving you own a piece of land by being able to produce a trail of contracts [aka the deeds] was ubiquitous worldwide until relative recently but nowadays is increasingly no longer true. The problem with that traditional model is that the government has difficulty levying taxes unless it can see who owns what. Enter the Land Registry.

Of course it would be a mammoth task for the Registrar to visit every conceivable location to demand the data. So they don't. A law is made that makes all future contracts of sale invalid unless registered [usually concurrently with proving title]. Thereafter, presence of a record on the Registry is sufficient to assert title, no need to go back to 1066 and all that: the "deeds" you get nowadays have only sentimental value. So now we have these records on a nice database, albeit maybe in square cubits but that doesn't matter. A simple algorithm will display the data in whatever notation you want, while keeping the original "as surveyed“ data in a logical drawer until there is a good reason to resurvey [division for example]. It works very well in the UK and I'm surprised if the USA has not done likewise since property taxes are a much bigger thing there. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:04, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 05:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Western education
, which is currently a redirect to Secular education, has been nominated at Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 14 to discuss whether this is the best target, and if not what is. From conversations at Wikimeets, I get the impression that this is something you may have opinions regarding - if so, please feel free to join the discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:31, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 29
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 29, June – July 2018 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> Hindi, Italian and French versions of Books & Bytes are now available in meta!
 * New partners
 * Economic & Political Weekly–10 accounts
 * Wikimania
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Teacher retention in UK and US

 * US ref parking

This Month in GLAM: August 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 13:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Mystery Thames Barge
Hi there, please see commons:Category:Essex_(ship,_1896). Is this the Mercia? -Broichmore (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There are only 2 images in cat- one is flipped, and one is a crop. I have looked at the name on the bow- if anything it would be Mersea to fit. I have no reference to a barge called Mer... or .mer...- so that doesn-t help. The other clue is the bob-the pennant- who would tell us the owner- I think they are the same in both images (Essex and Suffolk+2 paddlers). The closest being Samuel West 1949- but we do need colour. By 1949 the biggest barge owners in Ipswich were R&W Paul but their bob was a red field with a white X on it. No, can be of help there. I am unsure of the caption "leaving". Look at the anchor- if she were leaving it would be raised and visible. If she was coming to a mooring, the mate would drop the anchor slightly below the barge, so that it wouldn't scrape the quay or other vessels. I am penning a paragraph in SB George Smeed on typical practice. ClemRutter (talk) 11:06, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * But mersea museum America 085177 London Brentford. ClemRutter (talk) 11:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, Clem. Are you going to write to RMG. They take about a week to reply. The original negative is probably good enough to confirm the name. You could remind them they have mirrored the image. I noticed the National Archives have records for Smiths Suitall, stationers, Ipswich: records incl staff records 1893-1972 (HA453), alas I'm sure no help to us. This is an interesting web page Broichmore (talk) 13:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 13
An automated process has detected that you recently added links to disambiguation pages.
 * SB George Smeed ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/SB_George_Smeed check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/SB_George_Smeed?client=notify fix with Dab solver])
 * added links pointing to Channel, Quarter, Barrow, Sheet and Alresford

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:02, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Clem. I've tried to sort out the disambig issues on George Smeeds page, but am stumped by references to "Gravesend tier'" (see talk page). Could they be transcription errors somewhere between Benham and Wiki for "Gravesend Pier"? I've also added coordinates for the points Benham mentions (and a couple of footnotes for those unfamiliar with the Thames). I'm not sure that inline is necessarily the best place though, do you thing that moving them into the footnotes section would be a better idea? Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:56, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have just posted a gov pdf that lists the tiers in the estuary. A mooring point to a buoy I think. ClemRutter (talk) 14:01, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * OED has the answer. A tier is a row of ships moored or anchored ... hence an anchorage or mooring-place.  I'll add a note to George Smeed and put something in the disambig page. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:17, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Thuringia aka ...
Hi ClemRutter,

you reverted my modification of Simon & Halbig, click here. I've two problems with that.

First, I assume you didn't notice that I've also corrected Hidburghausen into Hildburghausen. Via Google I've found a German source that in Hildburg actually an old porcellain manufactury was situated, and the place Hidburghausen does not exist even in the German Wikipedia, therefore I think my modification was correct. I've inserted that again now.

Second, if you want to distinguish between the region Thuringen and the goverment division, your revert doesn't help: Thuringen is actually a redir on Thuringia.

I'm a native German speaker, and in our language, we don't make a big difference between the state Thüringen and the region Thüringen. I've always thought that Thuringia is the English translation of this Thüringen. Or do have native English speaking people really two different words for the region and the state? I can't believe this, especially because of the Thuringen redir.

What are your thoughts about that? (I didn't want to revert your revert, but first hear your opinion...)

Note also that I made similar contributions in Ernst Heubach amd Armand Marseille.

Regards --Cyfal (talk) 18:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Entschuldigen Sie! German has had a problem with Rechtschriebungreformen Jahrelang, and Britain has had problems with colonials who insist on speaking pre-1776 English. I assumed that my ancient Duden was telling me the truth, and I was dealing with an editor who was trying to make colour into color, and favour into favor! To me Thuringia is old fashioned and an abomination and Thüringen is the correct spelling- but, please take the lead and make any changes you want, I'll support you. ClemRutter (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Then I change it back to Thuringia, just because currently that is the name of the Wikipedia article and Thüringen only a redir. Perhaps this is the language of a former British colony where the people now even write color and favor? (Just a joke, dear Americans!) By the way, I've also change your user page because I think you deserve it! --Cyfal (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 28
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Issues in social nudity, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Daniel Johnson ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Issues_in_social_nudity check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Issues_in_social_nudity?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:11, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

British Naturism page
As requested a few comments. I retired as a BN director a couple of years ago but I probably still shouldn't edit the BN page. I am not sure if you would see my reply on my talk page, not sure how that works, so putting it here to ensure delivery.

Pretty good but it muddles a couple of things and the word "solution" does not explain the problem that it was solving. My wording is a bit clumsy in places but I suggest something like:

In 2013, following action by British Naturism and others, the Crown Prosecution Service issued guidance[1] which greatly reduced the number of mistakes being made.

In 2018, following correspondence and meetings between British Naturism and senior officers at the College of Policing, they published mutually satisfactory guidelines for the handling of complaints about nudity and for the policing of Naturism. Emergency call operators and serving police officers now have the appropriate advice available online and in their training manual. The URL of the advice has been added to the British Naturism membership card.

The legal status of Naturism:
 * Naturism is protected as a philosophical belief by the Equalities Act of 2010.
 * Naturism is protected by several articles of the Human Rights Act 1993.
 * Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 does not apply to passive nudity.
 * Section 66 of the 2003 Sexual Offences Act was carefully worded to protect naturists from prosecution.
 * Using nudity with the intention of causing "harassment, alarm or distress" can be an offence under both section 4/4A Public Order Act 1986 and section 66 Sexual Offences Act 2003.[13]

I notice that the list of Milestones is a bit inconsistent and has some errors.


 * The list of conventions is incomplete. Last year and this in Birmingham for example, and there may be others missing.
 * The opinion polls were 2002 and 2012. (Or perhaps a year earlier for each). Figure quoted is from the second one.
 * Should include the publication of CPS guidance
 * Should include the publication of College of Policing advice
 * Should mention similar work in Scotland and Northern Ireland over the last few years.

Does the page mention that membership, previously declining, is now growing strongly? 6% year on year at present.

A lot of the above needs sources citing.

Cheers MalcolmBoura (talk) 20:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 05:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

List of schools in Reading, Berkshire and List of schools in Wokingham
Hi there - would you mind having a look at these two articles? A user has added a lot of training providers which are not schools. I have removed them once and the user has added them again. Tried to start a discussion on the talk page but no success. What do you think? Thanks, Tacyarg (talk) 18:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll have a go. It strikes me that he is still at school in Berkshire- possibly at Bulmershe (wild guess)- and is technically able, but needs mentoring rather than criticism. I am too kind. The interest in training centres comes from his personal need to find the information, and having done some previous editing looked at WP first. I don't see this as COI or Financial gain


 * Those two pages are like nothing I have seen- but still of poor quality, so, with your permission, I will go in a do a roll-back. If we produce info like that for the List of schools on every county we will need to employ staff. I will leave some heavy encouragement on the edit summary- and we will see if we can make a good editor out of him, and leave him with some proud achievements to blazon on his CV. ClemRutter (talk) 19:48, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * That's great - thanks very much. Tacyarg (talk) 21:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 30
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 30, August – Septmeber 2018 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> French version of Books & Bytes is now available in meta!
 * Library Card translation
 * Spotlight: 1Lib1Ref spreads to the Southern Hemisphere and beyond
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Everest Community Academy
Hi ClemRutter - would you mind having a look at Everest Community Academy, specifically the bit about misleading exam results at the end? I'm wondering if this is original research and should be taken out. I'm all for picking up schools which overstate results, but I think we'd need a source which says that, rather than an editor who is comparing data themselves? Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, ✅ --ClemRutter (talk) 11:49, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you again. Tacyarg (talk) 20:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Editing News #2—2018
Read this in another language •  Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter  •  Subscription list on the English Wikipedia

Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Tap on the pencil icon to start editing. The page will probably open in the wikitext editor.

You will see another pencil icon in the toolbar. Tap on that pencil icon to the switch between visual editing and wikitext editing.



Remember to publish your changes when you're done.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has wrapped up most of their work on the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual diff tool. The team has begun investigating the needs of editors who use mobile devices. Their work board is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are fixing bugs and improving mobile editing.

Recent changes

 * The Editing team has published an initial report about mobile editing.
 * The Editing team has begun a design study of visual editing on the mobile website. New editors have trouble doing basic tasks on a smartphone, such as adding links to Wikipedia articles.  You can read the report.
 * The Reading team is working on a separate mobile-based contributions project.
 * The 2006 wikitext editor is no longer supported. If you used that toolbar, then you will no longer see any toolbar.  You may choose another editing tool in your editing preferences, local gadgets, or beta features.
 * The Editing team described the history and status of VisualEditor in this recorded public presentation (starting at 29 minutes, 30 seconds).
 * The Language team released a new version of Content Translation (CX2) last month, on International Translation Day. It integrates the visual editor to support templates, tables, and images.  It also produces better wikitext when the translated article is published.

Let's work together

 * The Editing team wants to improve visual editing on the mobile website.  Please read their ideas and tell the team what you think would help editors who use the mobile site.
 * The Community Wishlist Survey begins next week.
 * If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly.  We will notify you when the next issue is ready for translation.

— Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:11, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Fireproof construction
I was very surprised to discover that this generic construction term redirected to cotton mill. I understand that fireproof construction has some specific meaning in the context of mills, but, at least in America, it's been widely used for many types of buildings for a long period of time, but especially around the turn of the 20th-century. e.g. Fire Engineering (1909),NYC building code (1938),De Man System (1901),Fireproof Construction (1911). Pburka (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * See your point. We are talking about a radical construction technique dating from the 1820- that must have crossed the pond and been common in the 1850s. It predated all the cast iron work in the great railway terminals, and the wrought iron and steel work of high rise b;ocks. The article fireproofing has little to do with construction- it is about remedial action on non-fireproof structures (generalisation)which is the term used in the NYC Buildin Codes. This is not a suitable landing point for the redirect. Similarly, the paragraph in Cotton mills only talks about pre 1880 stuff. It does look if we need to abandon the redirect, and just write the article. I am focussed on doing a wikithon tomorrow and I am not free till Thursday- so if you wish to start I'll come on in then.--ClemRutter (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 08:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

 * Hi ClemRutter! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission.  I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Start Page
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Lounge
 * The Teahouse new editor help space
 * Wikipedia Help pages

-- 18:45, Monday, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Babylonians
Re: Talk:Equation_of_time.

Hey... thanks. That’ll take me more than a few days to read. Any suggestions for my query at Talk:Gravity?

So (just jumping ahead) did the Babylonians have any "machine" to line up their sight of planets? Could they measure position to less than 2 minutes? And Greeks?

MBG02 (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * (Jumping back...) I guess that was a dumb question; everything (including the sun) was measured against the "fixed stars"; I was imagining something that helped measure angles to the sun and (somehow) longitude or “real time”. MBG02 (talk) 21:13, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Unique reference number


The article Unique reference number has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "This is a hopless article. Let me count the ways: first, a URN is hardly unique to the UK government in the context of schools - all sorts of lists have unique reference numbers. They go under all sorts of names, including 'unique eference number'. Next, that HMG may have a URN for its schools is not notable. It is not notable because it is a commonplace thing - see my first point. Next, the article seems to be about three different URNs, going under different names, such as URN, UKPRN and Ofsted URN. So the content of the article does not match its title - always problematic. You /might/ get the article to fly under a title of, say 'UK school numbering systems', but you might equally find that the information can be folded into existing wikipedia articles, such as on DfEE or on Education in the United Kingdom."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Tagishsimon (talk) 03:16, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Unique reference number


A tag has been placed on Unique reference number requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ofsted_urn_and_dfe_urn and http://www.ukrlp.co.uk/ukrlp/ukrlp.first. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:51, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

From your remarks on my talk page, I get the impression you don't realize how strict our copyright policy actually is. When writing for Wikipedia, content has to be written in your own words and not include any wording from the source material at all. One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. There's some reading material on this topic at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and/or have a look at the material at Purdue or study this module aimed at WikiEd students. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 02:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Dianna- you have no worries about my understanding of copyvios, for years I have had you on my watchlist. I will on occasions quote your judgements. The issue is how to provide a linkable definition on a merge of two important infoboxes. I provided a quick and easy fix that had two problems- firstly the name was too broad and cannot be used. Secondly, finding a secondary source for the definition, and I sailed too close to the wind. Paradoxically, he fact the article was deleted has established the existence of the definition within the talk page discussion- and that will allow the template editor to use it the redlink. The way we work on WP is through collaboration- this allows others to write the the article within the parameters you have set. Every link you give me is useful. So can I ask for your opinion: how do we square the concerns about close paraphrasing with the need to give a precise definition, which we have here. We need a definition of a URN, LAESTAB and a dfeno- that is current and precise. (The comment about the fact is a copyvio- and needed to be zapped). ClemRutter (talk) 10:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If you can't re-write it in your own words, don't add it - to do so is a violation of the copyright policy of this website. There's really no exceptions to this. That's why the article had to be deleted. I've made a copyright-compliant version for you in my sandbox so you can see that it's possible to create an article on this topic while complying with the terms of this website. User:Diannaa/sandbox. You can use it if you like, as long as you give proper attribution. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks.I'll put it on my harddisk straight away, so we can use it on whatever the page is eventually called.ClemRutter (talk) 15:06, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I created the page, and it now exists at Ofsted Unique Reference Number. Cheers, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 16:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Abington Academy
Hi ClemRutter - would you be able to have a look at Abington Academy? I haven't been able to engage with the editor who is putting a lot of detail on the page. Many thanks, Tacyarg (talk) 11:22, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have had a look- and where do we start. Firstly, the title- Wigston Academy is where most of the stuff should be, we will have trouble establishing notability,for a defunct middle school -- this is going to take a little time. Can I put it on my to do list? We don't want to lose an enthusiastic youngster--but he has a lot to learn. --ClemRutter (talk) 11:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, no problem. Let me know if or how I can help. Tacyarg (talk) 20:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for November 24
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Coal Drops Yard, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Ecstasy ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Coal_Drops_Yard check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Coal_Drops_Yard?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

ClemRutter/sandbox/maps
ClemRutter/sandbox/maps probably doesn't want to be in article space? --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I have tried to fix it with a Db-g7 lets see what I got wrong there! Thanks. --ClemRutter (talk) 20:05, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:20, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Nottingham College
Hi there, thanks for your recent interest in the Nottingham College Wikipedia article. I have been looking at your edits on the wiki entry and certainly like what I've seen so far. Historically all of the legacy college entries Castle College, South Nottingham College, Central College Nottingham and New College Nottingham (our history is long!) have suffered from poor sources or lack of cited information entirely. Given Nottingham College is now one of the biggest colleges in the UK it certainly does warrant a more detailed and cited entry.

You've probably noticed my declaration that I am an employee of Nottingham College. I'm obviously trying to be careful with my edits to not cause a conflict of interest or bias, but I'm happy to work with you and fact check/cross check the new information format. Happy to discuss further on the talk page on the entry itself.

Thanks for your edits on the entry so far.

Jamesmacwhite (talk) 20:23, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 05:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

WiR talk
Clem, can I gently say that I find your most recent post on WiR somewhat barking mad, and bordering on or over the border of offensive. You may or may not want to amend it or withdraw it in light of these comments. At best, I think you may have grasped the wrong end of the stick.


 * I certainly favour a direct approach to the Guardian
 * Why? Victoria Leonard the author of the piece is a wikipedian. The Women's Classical Committee to which the article relates, is a wikiproject. So approach the Guardian for what, exactly?


 * it was obviously a slow news day.
 * Now imagine you are Victoria, a wikipedian who has just written and got published that article. "it was obviously a slow news day". Offended much? I think so.


 * To be positive they went to the trouble to print it- and that to my mind was a request from them to get involved. Do contact:John Lubbock WMUK.
 * Why? To what end?


 * It was a pity they didn't check the facts with WMUK
 * Who or what is WMUK? Okay, I know what WMUK is, but why do you think anyone should have contacted it? The figures on article and editor ratios Victoria cites are as accurate as we have. WMUK neither speak for UK Wikipedians nor for Wikipedia as a whole. It's not necessary for anyone writing about wikipedia or wikipedia in the UK to include them in the loop.
 * And "they" is a wikipedian, not a "they". Again, offended? I think so.


 * and notice that our CEO is called Lucy, and chairman is called Josie.
 * Again, what does that have to do with the price of bread? If doesn't alter the ~83:17 M/F ratio. And again, why do you think that WMUK having female officers is of any relevance to the article?


 * We would love them to join us at the next London Wiki-meetup where Women in Red is always a topic of discussion.
 * That's ace, although it sounds frankly condescending.


 * ''If the Guardian can provide us with a Central London venue we can provide the trainers, to help any group start on their Wikipedia careers. If these became regular it would be a massive PR boost for Guardian newspapers.
 * The group in question has been editing wikipedia articles for the last 2 years or so. They don't need help "starting their wikipedia careers".


 * If the Guardian wants to provide the print space we can collaborate in producing a series of articles on the nuts and bolts of using Wikipedia, or the philosophy and ethics of the wiki-world- I am sure there are great similarities between our discussions and their boardroom conversations.
 * Good luck with that. Completely off topic for the question raised in the thread you posted.


 * It would be really positive if the Guardian could be more precise about the copyright status of some of their text and images- the authors of a lot of the features would be perfectly happy to have them published under cc-0 or even cc-by-sa 4.0, which would remove a hurdle for our editors- it just need that to be stated in the text. (I am writing this on the assumption that the Guardian will be reading this too). The Guardian needs to know that we do have a large photo-library, which is cheaper to use than an agency! They have a nice regional photolibrary that they could open to us on a CC-BY_SA basis- this would be appreciated by Wikidata. Finally they need to know about the possibility of employing a Wikipedian in resident in the same way that the Wellcome foundation does- they could talk directly to ZeroMonk (Alice).
 * Ditto, you;re riding some hobbyhorse through what should be a discussion about a WiR #WCCWiki joint event. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:48, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


 * QED --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


 * We certainly are looking at different aspects of the article- you may be right. Yes, I happy to support joint WiR #WCCWiki actions- though classics has never been one of my fields. I am also keen to expand this further and develop contact and co-operation with the Guardian if we can, as that will benefit the whole project. I am surprised that you are not familiar with WMUK (Wikimedia UK) I did provide the wlink. They are our chapter!


 * Apologies if you didn't appreciate the irony of a slow news day- when HMG is collapsing and reporters are on overtime trying to follow the politics. Victoria's contribution was valid and interesting, the Guardian should though have contacted WMUK for comment, and should have included a quote from Josie.


 * In anything like this we need to look to how we can exploit it for the good of the project and I have listed some of the ways the Guardian can help us- and I suspect that we will be pushing at an open door. Lets push. I have alerted WMUK by email that the article was written- but apart from that this is the first time I have seen a reference to the article so I see it is entirely appropriate to raise a post here.

ClemRutter (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't think anyone who has read your post spotted any "irony". I know you've offended three readers so far, and, at least, deeply puzzled a fourth. I repeat my invitation to you to redact some or all of the post. To be very clear: it is slap-you-in-the-face offensive, and no amount of "shuck, irony" much later on ameliorates the situation. You need to decide on the balance between preserving what you doubtless thought was well intentioned and useful, versus the impression it's actually making.
 * The Guardian piece was a personal story by Victoria. There is no reason on God's earth why the Guardian would or should have contacted WMUK. First, it is simply not how personal pieces in newspapers work. Secondly, there was nothing in the article which required any comment from WMUK.
 * You say "I am surprised that you are not familiar with WMUK (Wikimedia UK) I did provide the wlink. They are our chapter! " Once more, you completely miss the point. "Who or what is WMUK? Okay, I know what WMUK is..." My point - which I see is still not getting through - is that WMUK is completely irrelevant to the issues at hand.
 * I don't know how Victoria floated her story. I tend to doubt that it signals any great willingness on the part of the Guardian to work with wikipedia. On the basis of your post on WiR and this page, and on the basis of my past exposure to WMUK, I tend to a negative opinion of any WMUK attempt to ride the coat-tails of this article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 31
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 31, October – Novemeber 2018 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> French version of Books & Bytes is now available on meta!
 * OAWiki
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:34, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

 Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding ~ to your friends' talk pages.

December 2018
Some of the content you added to Multi-academy trust has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Copying text from other sources for more information. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 16:43, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#01902a; background-color:#fff; border-width:3px; text-align:left; padding:2px;"><div style="border-style:solid; border-color:red; background-color:#fff; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:6px;" class="plainlinks">

Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas6}} to their talk page with a friendly message. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 12:26, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:08, 27 December 2018 (UTC)



Can I wish everyone an enjoyable New Year. ClemRutter (talk) 15:39, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Clem!
<div style="border: 3px solid #FFD700; background-color: #FFFAF0; padding:0.2em 0.4em;height:173px;border-radius: 1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);" class="plainlinks">

Happy New Year! Some celestial fireworks to herald another year of progress for mankind and Wikipedia. All the very best, Clem,

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2018
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 19:58, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Issues on Elizabeth College
Hey, I think I've dealt with the worst of the two errors in the header of Elizabeth College (Guernsey). Was hoping you could just skim through to see if it's up to scratch or if there are places that still need work. There are still a few uses of primary sources, a couple of which may be justified (directly quoting the most recent fees charged) and others just about ok for now, but will look to replace soon. As you will see I've already begun rearranging parts of the article and adding new sections (School site and buildings), and will continue with both Governance and expanding the Curriculum sections in due course. Thanks, and have fun tomorrow! Formulaonewiki (talk) 13:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Me again. Just wanted to get your thoughts before I make a big edit. I think the sequential school numbers assigned to pupils since 1824, which are inserted in brackets after any notable pupil where known, should be removed as it is unnecessary detail and even potentially confusing in some sections where the year of certain things happening is in brackets. What are your thoughts? Formulaonewiki (talk) 00:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sometimes real life gets in the way. In a word, yes remove them. But do say the school maintains a register and that is indexed with numbers. The school song lyrics were a copyright violation. I have been looking at Reviewing good articles and related articles for specific ideas on how we can get some further advice available for Wikiproject Schools articles in the form of an essay. It has taken some time to research- who exactly is doing School GA Reviews so we can find what they are looking for. Look at St George's Academy (and the talk page) which is a fascinating read. It is a GA reviewed as a Good articles/Social sciences and society.Carlton le Willows Academy is awaiting review.
 * I was looking at GAList, and GAList2 to see which dragons you have slain and the remaining problems. 1. Your prose is brilliant. It follows MOS in the required items. 2 a, b yes, 2c no evidence of OR, 2d without using the tools available no plagiarism and the copyvios have gone. 3 broad and tightly focused. 4, 5, 6- NPOV, stable and illustrated. Remove the alumni numbers and resubmit.ClemRutter (talk) 15:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * GA nomination submitted. Thanks for the help in getting the article up to scratch and for all your great suggestions. I definitely think the article has the potential to be even better, but it's nice to know it's (hopefully) good article level now. Those reviews and discussions are tremendously insightful, certainly lots to draw from and consider when improving Elizabeth College. Formulaonewiki (talk) 14:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The image you added today may have been on commons but the license says is that it is restricted to Non-commercial use- that isn't open enough- we can't use it, even going fair use its difficult to argue that it is 'necessary enough'. One step forward-- ...
 * ClemRutter (talk) 23:13, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Good spot, I'll remove it to be safe. I'm planning on taking some photos of the school buildings and facilities when I'm back so the article should be plentiful with public domain images. However, it's a shame to be unable to use that image given the historical significance of that moment in both Guernsey and the school's history. As you say, one step forward... Formulaonewiki (talk) 01:36, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:53, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Manchester meetup 36 - 9 June 2019
As you attended one of the previous two Manchester meetups and/or expressed an interest in being notified about future ones, this is a heads-up that I have started organising a meetup in Manchester on 9 June 2019 - details are at Meetup/Manchester/36. Please feel free to invite others with an interest in Wikimedia/Wikipedia to join us. Thryduulf (talk) 23:09, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 13:59, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Recent edits
Hello, I'm 35.12.210.155. I noticed that you recently removed content from Covington Catholic High School without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 35.12.210.155 (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 32
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 32, January – February 2019 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> French version of Books & Bytes is now available on meta!
 * # 1Lib1Ref
 * New and expanded partners
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:29, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion notice - Wikipedia talk:Adding open license text to Wikipedia
Hey there! I'm Psantora. There is a move discussion at Wikipedia talk:Adding open license text to Wikipedia requiring more participation, please consider commenting/voting in it along with the other discussions in the backlog (Requested moves). - Paul T [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Psantora&action=edit +]/C 16:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Northern Belle
Hi Clem, This is the article I thought may be of interest to you (re chat in Holborn). Please revise as you see fit. Regards Broichmore (talk) 10:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Northern Belle, Margate - geograph.org.uk - 1715051.jpg I am heading up to Thanet on Wednesday to have a look for survivors. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * LOL Broichmore (talk) 17:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 07:55, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:45, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 20:49, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 22
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Primary school, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Caesar's Commentaries ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Primary_school check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Primary_school?client=notify fix with Dab solver]). Such links are usually incorrect, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of unrelated topics with similar titles. (Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.)

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Belt and Road Initiative/sandbox


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Belt and Road Initiative/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Jalen D. Folf  (talk)  17:48, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 23 – 30 April 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Wish
Hello. Help add for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. 27.74.247.140 (talk) 08:29, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Entschuldigen. Ich habe kein Erfahrung mit Film. ClemRutter (talk) 08:37, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * sock puppet: Sockpuppet investigations/Haiyenslna – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I took this to be random canvassing, and as you see gave a null response.--ClemRutter (talk) 22:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Help wanted
I've just put this barge article Air Lock Diving-Bell Plant up for DYK, perhaps you would like to scan it over. All the best, Jim. -Broichmore (talk) 18:58, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Yellow House School
Hi there, could I ask your opinion on this one? The school is tiny - 17 pupils. I PRODed it on this basis but in fact it has been to AfD before in 2014, with a unanimous decision that it should be kept as a secondary school. Do you think there is a point to bringing it up at AfD again? Many thanks, Tacyarg (talk) 22:58, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Short answer-no, we keep. The Ofsted reports give us so much information about the school- that we are not short of references. The website is overloaded with policies- and information. You are right it is tiny- fewer pupils than policies. I think it is notable because it is so small- and the only example of this type of Special Needs School that we have got. Is it of interest to the general reader- I think it is, just in answering the question of what do you do with kids that are too difficult for the state comprehensive to accommodate. It also exposes the ludicrous nature of Ofsted inspections- temperature of the tap water sufficient to close a school! The fact it is a secondary school and we do have a inclusion policy for all recognised secondary, lets us off the hook- the decision has been made for us. There is a nice project here for someone that wants to try to get this from stub to GA. I'll mention this at the London Wikimeetup on Sunday and see if there are any other ideas and views. Cheers.--ClemRutter (talk) 00:16, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, that's helpful and a useful perspective. I'll sort out the infobox and see if there is anything else I can add. Tacyarg (talk) 08:30, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My first thoughts were to expand the article, Background, History, Curriculum, Extra-curricular activities, Ofsted See also etc. In Background- discuss Needs of Tourettes pupils,advice on how to educate this special needs group- then ADHD, how to educate autistic pupils etc. I wanted to look at the talk pages of the articles and see if we could glean anything from theirs leads.
 * In Ofsted. (Ofsted criteria for assessing private schools, Ofsted criteria for assessing special schools, Policies a school needs in place)
 * In Tourettes a FA- I found a copyvio from a reference
 * I wanted to compare them with other schools in the same category (-well there are none) and compare Ofsted reports! This appears to be a huge task for such a small school, especially if we have to check each of the source articles too. But I'll add it to my watch list. ClemRutter (talk) 09:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 06:49, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Whisperback
06:42, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 24 – 17 May 2019
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 33
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 33, March – April 2019 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em">
 * # 1Lib1Ref
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:41, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you
Thanks for you faith in me. --ClemRutter (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Manchester meetup - 9 June 2019
This is an invite to/reminder of the Manchester Meetup on 9 June 2019. Starting at about 1pm on Sunday 9 June in the Sir Ralph Abercombie, 35 Bootle Street, Manchester. Full details are on the Meta page at m:Meetup/Manchester/36. It would be useful if you could say whether you're likely to be coming so we have a rough idea of how many to people expect and how large a table to reserve. Thanks, and hope to see you there. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

A page you started (Gelmini reform) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating Gelmini reform.

User:Doomsdayer520 while reveiwing this page as a part of our page curation process had the following comments:

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with. And, don't forget to sign your reply with.

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

--- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 19:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 01:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Gilling (textiles) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Gilling (textiles). Since you had some involvement with the Gilling (textiles) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Geo Swan (talk) 01:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Salesian
May I suggest that you write a sentence or two based on the sources? No one else is commenting and is two people you and i agreeing consensus?Ndołkah (talk) 01:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Brief reply I have a long way to drive this morning so I am not concentrating on Wikipedia. This is not a bad thing- as we need to allow time for editors who contribute less frequency to read the thread. We have a lot of options open now, and text can be reproduced when the article is longer. I also need to consult further with other colleagues... I will be back in a week. Don't go away. --ClemRutter (talk) 07:37, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Copyright issue
I just reverted an edit of yours. Am I missing something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talk • contribs) 00:46, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * . Good morning. I take it that we are really discussing edit oldid=901743726. To a non-US reader these are the mysteries that we are trying to explain. In my judgement I had sufficiently rewritten the text (and downgraded the quality) to have passed the originality threshold- but this can always be debated. As a non-US editor, I don't have the artifacts and other references on hand to do much better. Could you then replace the paragraph in your own words using your resources. The text must be terse so it doesn't become WP:UNDUE- but does need to explain the grading system, and how schools and students are held to account! Maybe it would be better to work up the definite text on the Talk:High school (North America) and to carry on this discussion there. --ClemRutter (talk) 07:33, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Editor's Barnstar and Winnowing Fan Barnstar
ClemRutter is awarded the Editor's Barnstar for his diligent and prudent editing of Higher education in the United States. His work was done by engaging his coummunity and listening to all of its active members, to ensure that the article was both relevant and readable.CollegeMeltdown (talk) 02:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow, thanks! ClemRutter (talk) 07:22, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello User ClemRutter: Well-deserved. Keep up the good work. CollegeMeltdown (talk) 14:28, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Lists
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram&diff=904955906&oldid=904953049&diffmode=visual this edit]: perhaps you meant to respond to Guy Macon, who wrote the lists in question? isaacl (talk) 20:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the above comment. – SJ + 21:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 23:54, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 34, May – June 2019 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: .9em"> French version of Books & Bytes is now available on meta!
 * Partnerships
 * # 1Lib1Ref
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * Global branches update
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Editing News #1—July 2019
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter

Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

 Edit Cards 



This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases
The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team has recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:


 * 1) Section editing
 * 2) * The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
 * 3) * The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
 * 4) Loading overlay
 * 5) * The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects
This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.


 * Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now.  Go here to see how: 📲Try Edit Cards.
 * Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
 * Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor?  We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
 * Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use. The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

 * Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019.  They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space.  Talk to them about how editing can be improved.
 * Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more
The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) and Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 26
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Bermondsey dive-under, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Charing Cross station ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Bermondsey_dive-under check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Bermondsey_dive-under?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 08:09, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 08:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 27
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Rochester Independent College, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Cn ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Rochester_Independent_College check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Rochester_Independent_College?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:19, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Bondage positions article
I removed the image you added to illustrate the lotus position in this article. While your intentions are clearly good, I think it's best not have a picture of an identifiable non-consenting living person in a kink article. -- The Anome (talk) 08:57, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Barking fire for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Barking fire is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Barking fire until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. &#8209; Iridescent 08:52, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 07:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Eric Corbett
If you wish to continue discussing Eric Corbett and his work, you can now freely do so here. Due to the quantity and quality of his work, there will be many times when he and his work needs to be re-evaluated, discussed. I intend this page to remain active as long as Eric’s own page is protected and/ or censored. I shall moderate the page, but other than archiving when necessary I will only remove comments which are abusive or insulting. Anything goes, Eric was an undeniably controversial figure who drew differing opinions, but so long as the language is acceptable and polite, I will let all comments stand. Giano   (talk) 10:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 35, July – August 2019
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 35, July – August 2019 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * Wikimania
 * We're building something great, but..
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
 * A Wikibrarian's story
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter On behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 30
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Bondage positions and methods, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hobble ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Bondage_positions_and_methods check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Bondage_positions_and_methods?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 17:31, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages – October 2019
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter

Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help
What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team would value your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk Pages
The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.

Mobile visual editor
The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards



 * On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
 * There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
 * Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar



 * In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
 * One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
 * New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
 * Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
 * Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania
The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

 * Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes.  The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
 * Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
 * Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: The Editing team hopes to share results in November.  This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations.  The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

WPWPSCH
Not an RfC at all, but more a tiny group slowly but surely making changes that probably require a larger consensus. Perhaps you could take a look. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 09:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Secondary schools
Hi Clem...you asked me to look at secondary schools. Were there any in particular? Whispyhistory (talk) 17:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Just start with Secondary school. I am working on the meta-articles Secondary school as distinct from Secondary education and then doing the same for Primary school as distinct from Primary education. When your edit count gets particular high, other editor leave it to you and walk off- it gets a little lonely and you sre deprived of feedback. I need suggestions about direction structure understandability from someone outside the schools sector- and also from a non UK perspective. Any comments really appreciated. --ClemRutter (talk) 10:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I thought you wanted me to look at individual schools..so I have been doing this and it has led me to this. But, I will follow your instructions. I'm sure you know better than me. Hopefully and  will help out and look over too, even .... Whispyhistory (talk) 19:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Individual schools is a whole new ball-game. We do have WP:WPSCH/AG to give guidance, and comments about the shortcomings of that page is also vwry valuable.It dates rapidly and has to be written in general terms so it doesn't end up being country specific. Dunraven School is fairly typical of the 5800 secondary and independant schools in England, that need doing and regularly updating. Thanks for the TLC you gave it. However I don't think knowledge organiser is notable. ClemRutter (talk) 01:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Does it not fit into Category:Education terminology? I found a dozen textbooks about it. Whispyhistory (talk) 07:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes there are enough references to make this wiki-notable. The term is only four years old, but I have been using something similar for decades. In fact while developing my skills in !975, we did a session at the Hereford Teacher Centre on improving our chalk board techniques which involved having a panel on the roller-board that was kept unchanged for several weeks containing this type of information. When we moved onto producing teaching bookets, we would do something similar on the contents page or before the index- OK, very few teachers were as keen on material production.


 * We get a clue when we see that this innovation happened in a school run by Birbalsingh- a women who has a massive political agenda who is convince by free schools and her one-size fits all philosophy of education (zero tolerance and rote learning mainly - an extrapolation of her own needs). This mind-map is what you have to use if you are going train teenagers by her method. Also claiming intellectual ownership of a centuries old technique makea a good press release- and an opportunity to grab somme free Wikipedia publicity.


 * The free school movement and multi-academy trusts building are having to continually innovate. What I am seeing at Leigh Academies Trust is that their new methods are actually using the systems that were used on the same site in 2003- the systems which Ofsted excoriated. They forced the 'failing' school, to convert into an academy, which was passed from trust to trust until it as been rescued by Leigh using ....


 * The TES is a reliable source. However the site, is useful; it gives a long description and discussion tat is relevant to all schools ClemRutter (talk) 11:35, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Wow Clem....I saw TES but didn't know what it was. It's interesting...what shall I do? I found this on TES. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

A survey to improve the community consultation outreach process
Hello!

The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking to improve the community consultation outreach process for Foundation policies, and we are interested in why you didn't participate in a recent consultation that followed a community discussion you’ve been part of.

Please fill out this short survey to help us improve our community consultation process for the future. It should only take about three minutes.

The privacy policy for this survey is here. This survey is a one-off request from us related to this unique topic.

Thank you for your participation, Kbrown (WMF) 10:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

✅

WPSCH
Hi. Could you please ensure that you have this page on your watchlist or transcluded (no subst) wherever else your first stop is when you log in. You'll soon see why ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Now that I have investigated further, Perhaps I shouldn't be so cryptic. See here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Even more less cryptic here. MPS1992 (talk) 14:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 36
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 36, September – October 2019 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * #1Lib1Ref January 2020
 * #1Lib1Ref 2019 stories and learnings

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:20, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for November 23
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Hatch End High School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Gareth Thomas ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Hatch_End_High_School check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Hatch_End_High_School?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
Hello,

Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org.

Thank you!

--User:Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

WPSCH lodestar(s)
Hi, ClemRutter. I've looped back to of the Sacred Heart article – i.e., where it stood before I started messing with it – and hope to discuss its merits, defects, and how parts of it might be merged with the rewrite that's been partially rolled out. You had mentioned in the talk section of the article that this older version was more to your liking, while acknowledging that the existing FAs for WPSCH take editors in a different direction.

Just to kick things off, I'll start by going through the old version piece by piece (and using a by-now-familiar grading system), with my critique in the second column. There's a column at the right for your rejoinder, if you want to tackle it this way. (I hope the third column expands as you add text. My html skills are insufficient to figure out how to pre-expand this without putting in a bunch of non-breaking spaces or fixing the column width.)

On the other hand, there seem to be a lot of parts that are missing. Award-winning LEED buildings, a retirement home for 54 nuns in the center of campus, a class that slaughters campus-raised goats (looking for the reference on the slaughtering part), a rivalry football tradition that raises money for charity, proximity to Stanford, and the like. Ottoump (talk) 21:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I seen the response- I'll look at it properly tomorrow.ClemRutter (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)q


 * Found the goat article, but it doesn't go much into the slaughtering technique. I've heard from a parent that they ask for student volunteers, although given that it would be cruel to the goat to make a mess of the job, I'd imagine the farm manager actually does it as stated in the article. So How To Slaughter Your Goat will have to wait. https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/07/15/sacred-hearts-farm-to-cafeteria-program-teaches-students-how-to-grow-food-to-help-feed-the-world/


 * Thank you for all the comments. I'll ruminate on them (all these farm references!) over the weekend. Ottoump (talk) 16:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Replies in second column. I'll attempt to summarize and add to article talk page, near link directing here. Ottoump (talk) 23:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Two articles that indirectly speak to the importance of sports in U.S. high schools:
 * Ottoump (talk) 21:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ottoump (talk) 22:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ottoump (talk) 22:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

School Farms
Parking a reference-

Parking a reference
What happens when an incoming goverment cancels a program .--ClemRutter (talk) 22:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 14:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Northern Education Trust
Hi ClemRutter, hope you're well. I'm struggling to get a response via the Northern Education Trust talk section. Are you able to review the proposed article lead:

"Northern Education Trust is a not-for-profit education charity, operating within the North East and North West of England, and works with schools by invitation only. It was formed in 2012 and currently sponsors 21 Academies – 11 primary and 10 secondary – making it one of the largest Multi Academy Trusts in the North of England. Its academies service some of the most deprived communities in the North. It’s vision is “We constantly focus on standards as we understand outcomes are paramount. Our decision making is driven entirely by what is best for children. By doing this we enhance the life chances of the children and young people in our care”. The Trust strives to help young people overcome any barriers to learning, such as poor behaviour, and has implemented a culture of high expectations of behaviour from its students.  When focusing on dealing with persistent disruptive behaviour, academies can sometimes see a temporary rise in fixed term exclusions, and the Trust has experienced media interest in this. Outcomes for students do improve though, once behaviour standards rise, and the results of the Northern Education Trust academies have consistently improved year on year from 2017." Thanks for your help. Tside90 —Preceding undated comment added 11:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Responded on Talk:Northern Education Trust ClemRutter (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Eton
At the risk of stepping in it, I added a  to the Drama section of the Eton page. When you referred me to it, I was thinking that Eton practically defines notable and that it should scarcely need internal references, etc. And indeed, it is a very impressive article. But oh-my-gosh it weighs it at 9,600 words and has, by my rough count, 22 internal references (plus one from imdb). And the drama section is written too fawningly for an encyclopedia, and without a single reference. If you think I'm out of bounds, please revert it or ask me to do so. Ottoump (talk) 20:02, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You are spot on. I think you should put a similar comment on Talk:Eton College. I cannmot see the value of giving a list of well known plays, WP:WPSCH/AG says that teachers should not normally be mentioned unless they are notable. I don't share your word count lust- if it can be said, it should be. Disk space is cheap but I do like to remove padding. I think you could improve this article. do you have any thoughts on this? Would it GA for instance? ClemRutter (talk) 21:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Richmond City Council (Richmond, California)
Can you help me improve this and related pages, copyedit?Ndołkah (talk) 09:43, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Cuxton
Hello ClemRutter,

I commented here on a page you started, Cuxton, many years ago but failed to ping you at the time. Apologies for that oversight. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:18, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2019
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 16:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 12
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Twyford Church of England Academies Trust, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Free school ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Twyford_Church_of_England_Academies_Trust check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Twyford_Church_of_England_Academies_Trust?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 12:58, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 37
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 37, November – December 2019 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * #1Lib1Ref
 * Wikimedia and Libraries User Group

Read the full newsletter On behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:09, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Universities vs Colleges
Please join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Universities before the discussion is closed. The outcome could affect the way the WP:WPSCH project works and may incur some changes that would need to be made. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:00, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅--ClemRutter (talk) 13:08, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 19:29, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Regarding schools in India
Hi, we were recently debating on an AfD nomination for an indian school in Lucknow. I deem it more appropriate to discuss opinions here rather than on AfD. You mention that schools are important, kind of like benevolent entities that create the citizens of tomorrow. While that is what their true purpose SHOULD be, and many schools do work on that, schools in India have a different take. Most public schools are free, or heavily subsidized, some are good, some are bad. Private schools are the ones that deserve more scrutiny, I would personally vote to make them have the same criteria as companies do-
 * There are schools as small as a just 4 rooms, to some covering a hundred or more acres.
 * Some have exorbitantly high fees, some are actually cheap(because their facilities are that bad), some are good and cheap(most likely subsidized by external donations).
 * Most private institutions have a selfish purpose, of those most are for-profit, charging extremely high amounts, many times the national per capita income. Then a bunch of convents, funded by religious ministries both national and international, of various religions, slyly promoting their religious values. Another bunch of religiously funded schools that truly serve a good purpose.
 * Schools are considered a good investment option for many people, they consider it a good business in a populous country with many kids living close to the school. They run it like a business, just like how one sets up franchises of restaurants for profit, and actively "compete" with nearby schools, advertising themselves on billboards, local TV etc.

I would opt for indian schools to be considered just as how you consider notability for companies, and not make them notable by default, most dont deserve that. Daiyusha (talk) 07:17, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks- I will give a longer response this evening. ClemRutter (talk) 10:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Help
Dear sir, Till yesterday my article about school was easily seen on Google or other search engine but today it disappeared. I am new here so I can't understand or may be little confused. I think the admin has deleted this. And i also don't understand about https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Q85794282 Please lead me and respond. Sturdyankit (talk) 02:53, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Search engines are a mystery! Often then show the Wikipedia article first but we cannot guarentee that. It may come back as suddenly as it went. Don't panic. Wikidata is a wikipedia project that is designed to be read by machines. Universities will make queries such as Number of items of type Q12345 where attribute 567 < 120. This is very useful to the researcher- but not to the reader who only speaks human languages! Yes another mystery.
 * User:Bearian has just added a Keep. He is well respected. Just keep working on my suggestions. ClemRutter (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Help & suggestion
Hello dear sir, Sorry for disturbing you again But I have to ask, "Is the result of Afd based on votes (i.e, no. of counts of keep and delete)"? And also, I previously read a wiki content their mentioned admin decides the result of Afd in 7 days but for my article today is 7th day and till now I got no result. I don't know why but I am getting panic? Sturdyankit (talk) 10:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't answer your question. I suspect, that after 7 days it will be tagged- decision needed and go on a Admin to-do list. An Admin who does closures will look at the arguments and make a decision: Keep, Delete, Or no consensus. I expect they will see the ongoing debate and say No consensus- re list. They will be applying the test- is it notable under WP:GNG. References in local printed material are important. Your photograph is good. What exactly do the students study? even a photograph of a letter to the parents as a reference would help. What are the successful students from there doing, where did they go? You said that there was a legal issue that caused it to convert from private to government school. Where is that written down? What was the problem? What did the official say? Was there money involved? Where is that written down? ClemRutter (talk) 12:05, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion
Dear sir, thank you very much for your suggestion as you mentioned previously I just added some scholar students from this school who have got scholarship from Bihar State Shia Wakf Board in year 2010-11(2nd phase) you may check at http://www.technixindia.com/wakfboard/report-phase2-1011-result.php?page=24 using serial no. 116378-116379 they are Shamsha Khatun and Shaddam Hussain. and i'm also searching for other docs as you mentioned currently. sir one more thing i have to ask let's suppose admin decides no result then what happen to my article Sturdyankit (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

About Drafts
Dear sir, Can I edit my article if it get draftified if yes, where? actually my granny is no more so, I can't work on my article for some time so, I decided to be draftified and I will work after a short time. one more thing, will it appear on search engines ? And if I again edit it from drafts will it again goes for deletion discussion. Please respond sir, thanks for your every suggestions it shows me a way. Sturdyankit (talk) 22:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Quick answer. Yes you can edit any article in Draft: space. That is its purpose. I believe that most search engines will find it- but not give it so much priority. Deletion- yes, it will be safe especially while you keep working on it. --ClemRutter (talk) 10:06, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 2
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited The Robert Napier School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page BTEC ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/The_Robert_Napier_School check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/The_Robert_Napier_School?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Copying licensed material requires attribution
Hi. I see in a recent addition to St James' Catholic High School, Stockport you included material from a webpage that is available under a compatible Creative Commons Licence. That's okay, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. I've added the attribution for this particular instance. Please make sure that you follow this licensing requirement when copying from compatibly-licensed material in the future. — Diannaa (talk) 18:18, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey thanks, I'll gradually move back and zap a few previous mistakes. Is there any point in wrapping the text in a simple template? A Ofsted exists, but does something else. --ClemRutter (talk) 21:56, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 02:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Unspecified source/license for File:Fair use logo John Masefield High School.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo John Masefield High School.png. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. Even if you created the image yourself, you still need to release it so Wikipedia can use it. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate copyright tag, it may be deleted some time after the next seven days. If you made this image yourself, you can use copyright tags like (to release all rights),  (to require that you be credited), or any tag here - just go to the image, click edit, and add one of those. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well.

For more information on using images, see the following pages:
 * Image use policy
 * File copyright tags

This is an automated notice by MifterBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Media copyright questions. NOTE: Once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. --MifterBot (Talk • Contribs • Owner) 14:01, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
 * server glitch- rmed wizard text- manually cp a fair use statementClemRutter (talk) 14:06, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 16
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited The Academy, Selsey, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Comprehensive ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/The_Academy%2C_Selsey check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/The_Academy%2C_Selsey?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 14:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Next
Google translate says "Si concluderà la prossima settimana". Venturo???♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:56, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Cassell's Italian English Dictionary, 1958.- prossimo also given in the context of a specific day of the week, and seguente in the context of a sequence.ClemRutter (talk) 00:03, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I realised it was French before, forgot to change to Italian. Today's example is easier!♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 23
An automated process has detected that you recently added links to disambiguation pages.
 * Acle Academy ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Acle_Academy check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Acle_Academy?client=notify fix with Dab solver])
 * added a link pointing to BTEC
 * Colchester Academy ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Colchester_Academy check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Colchester_Academy?client=notify fix with Dab solver])
 * added a link pointing to BTEC

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 12:17, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Dixons Kings Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Dixons Kings Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 03:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Its there now.✅ --ClemRutter (talk) 01:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Help and suggestions
Dear sir, I create an article in my draftspace about a female leader and when it get completed I tried to move it to article page but there someone previously uses her name and redirects her name to new name (his husband's name). Here is my draft, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Heena_Shahab

Her husband (which redirected from Heena Shahab) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Shahabuddin

They both are diffrent person. (Husband and wife)

Help me sir. Sturdyankit (talk) 23:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Priority School Building Programme


A tag has been placed on Priority School Building Programme requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/psbp-overview/priority-school-building-programme-overview. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. S Philbrick (Talk)  10:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 30
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Walney School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Barrow Island ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Walney_School check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Walney_School?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Workington Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Workington Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 08:24, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #1 – Discussion tools
Read this in another language • Subscription list



The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. The goal of the talk pages project is to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. This project is the result of the Talk pages consultation 2019.



The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.


 * On 31 March 2020, the new tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias:  Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian.  If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
 * The team is planning some upcoming changes. Please review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page.  The team will test features such as:
 * an easy way to mention another editor ("pinging"),
 * a rich-text visual editing option, and
 * other features identified through user testing or recommended by editors.

To hear more about Editing Team updates, please add your name to the "Get involved"  section of the project page. You can also watch these pages: the main project page, Updates, Replying, and User testing.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

St Bees School
Dear ClemRutter - wondered if you could advise me about this one. I've been editing the St Bees School article for promotional language and unsourced info. Still got quite a lot to do. I'm a bit daunted by the fact of there being a separate History of St. Bees School article, also lengthy and not well-referenced. Do you think there is a case for merging the two articles? Thanks, Tacyarg (talk) 10:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Now there's a challenge. But an interesting one. There may be other ways to go about this but I would rewrite the first sentence to read St Bees School is a new co-educational independent school located in the West Cumbrian village of St Bees on the site of an ancient school with the same name. It was registered on 28/03/2018, and has subsquently been inspected by Ofsted and rated as a good school.
 * This opens up the chance to rewrite the history section (to 1988) as history of the former school. Similarly the history section can then become a history of the buildings rather than that of financial failure. The Ofsted report and the GIAS, gives some details of the present school- I prefer the heading Academics rather than Academic achievement which is a form of bragging. I am happy to write KS3, KS4 stuff. The existence of taught Chinese sounds exciting. I would be quick to remove all the future tense aspirational stuff.


 * So onto the other article. Leave it for the moment- it may end up as Alumni of St Bees. It would be a shame to waste a wonderful word Beghians. I hope that gives you a few ideas- it was great to get a message from an old friend. ClemRutter (talk) 13:56, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week
Hello there. This is an invitation to join the 50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week. £250 (c. $310) up for grabs in May, June and July with £20 worth of prizes to give away every week for most articles destubbed. Each week there is a different region of focus, though half the prize will still be rewarded for articles on any subject. Sign up if you want to contribute at least one of the weeks or support the idea! † Encyclopædius  19:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 28
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited The Canterbury Academy, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page BTEC ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/The_Canterbury_Academy check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/The_Canterbury_Academy?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:28, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Issue 38, January – April 2020
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 38, January – April 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partnership
 * Global roundup

Read the full newsletter On behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --15:57, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 5
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Glossary of nautical terms, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Seize ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Glossary_of_nautical_terms check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Glossary_of_nautical_terms?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 13:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 15:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Copyright violation at Talk:Belt and Road Initiative
Hi, we take copyright law very seriously. You may not post copyrighted text without the appropriate license on talk pages or anywhere else. Kindly desist. Zerotalk 09:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC) (administrator)

ANI where your actions are discussed
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Apparent deliberate copyright violation on a talk page. Nil Einne (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 3
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Public school (United Kingdom), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Denomination ([//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py/Public_school_%28United_Kingdom%29 check to confirm] | [//dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py/Public_school_%28United_Kingdom%29?client=notify fix with Dab solver]).

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 08:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 17:21, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 39, May – June 2020
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 39, May – June 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * Library Card Platform
 * New partnerships
 * ProQuest
 * Springer Nature
 * BioOne
 * CEEOL
 * IWA Publishing
 * ICE Publishing
 * Bytes in brief

Read the full newsletter On behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:12, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #2 – Quick updates
Read this in another language • Subscription list



This edition of the Editing newsletter includes information the Talk pages project, an effort to help contributors communicate on wiki more easily. The central project page is on MediaWiki.org.


 * Reply tool : This is available as a Beta Feature at the four partner wikis (Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian Wikipedias). The Beta Feature will get new features soon.  The new features include writing comments in a new visual editing mode and pinging other users by typing  . You can test the new features on the Beta Cluster.  Some other wikis will have a chance to try the Beta Feature in the coming months.
 * New requirements for user signatures : Soon, users will not be able to save invalid custom signatures in Special:Preferences. This will reduce signature spoofing, prevent page corruption, and make new talk page tools more reliable.  Most editors will not be affected.
 * New discussion tool : The Editing team is beginning work on a simpler process for starting new discussions.   You can see the initial design on the project page.
 * Research on the use of talk pages : The Editing team worked with the Wikimedia research team to study how talk pages help editors improve articles.  We learned that new editors who use talk pages make more edits to the main namespace than new editors who don't use talk pages.

– Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Keep talking
With a mask! New messages hereClemRutter (talk) 22:05, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #3


Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:


 * The 50 millionth edit using the visual editor on desktop was made this year. More than 10 million edits have been made here at the English Wikipedia.
 * More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
 * Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
 * The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has been increasing every year.
 * Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode.  You can enable it in your preferences.
 * On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor.
 * In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers, and half of their first edits, were made using the visual editor. This percentage has been increasing every year since the tool became available.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Oak National Academy
Hi Clem. Thanks for your work getting the draft into a better shape. Your account has the ability to publish the draft if you think it is ready. To do this, just move it to the main space (More > Move > change "Draft" to "(Main)" > Move page). Hope this helps, 1292simon (talk) 23:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 15:57, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Downham Market Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Downham Market Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 02:42, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:A Surge of Power (Jen Reid) Fair use Guardian image cropped.png


A tag has been placed on File:A Surge of Power (Jen Reid) Fair use Guardian image cropped.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a non-free file with a clearly invalid licensing tag; or it otherwise fails some part of the non-free content criteria. If you can find a valid tag that expresses why the file can be used under the fair use guidelines, please replace the current tag with that tag. If no such tag exists, please add the Non-free fair use tag, along with a brief explanation of why this constitutes fair use of the file. If the file has been deleted, you can re-upload it, but please ensure you place the correct tag on it.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. LukeSurlt c 12:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Montagu whaler
Thanks for putting this article together. I have dived in and made a few tweaks and additions, but great to see that the RN Museum in Portsmouth has a rigged version (though it's a pity they show it in reefed condition) - but I note the photo was taken in 2008. I hope this example is still preserved.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 7
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited The Line (sculpture trail), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Richard Wilson.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Mariusz Stepien
So I sat down at the computer, googled the horse harness find I'd been hearing about on the news, read a couple of articles, then turned to stub-sorting: one of the first I spot as "needing a defaultsort" was... this lad. I think he's a BLP1E, will need to become a redirect to the article on the hoard once that's been created. But good work anyway. I found sources in BBC and Scotsman, which has an extra rather nice photo. Amazing find, anyway. Pam D  07:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah no, the Belfast Telegraph has the same photo, and more. Pam  D  07:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, inspired by the last paragraph of the Scotsman ref I've now created Horsehope Craig Hoard for one found in 1865, including adding a map using OSM Location, inspired by yours in the Surge of Power article: thanks for alerting me to it by your comment on the talk page there that not a lot of people use it, or words to that effect. I'll add it to my "list of useful stuff" in my sandbox.
 * We need an article on the new hoard, even if we have to invent a placeholder name for it (Peebles Hoard?), even if then has to be moved to an official name. (The Silverdale Hoard wasn't found in Silverdale, but the landowner and detectorist both live in Silverdale and everyone was happy to obfuscate the actual location in the next parish, beside which "Silverdale" has a better sound for a hoard than the "how do you pronounce it" of Yealand!) Then needs to be added to List of Bronze Age hoards in Great Britain. Pam  D  09:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * On your authority- the Peebles Hoard it is, and all the connections made. I now need someone who understands the topic to take over- though just a thought, a nice fair use mug shot will give us something to discuss! I might be able to cobble that together.ClemRutter (talk) 11:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * A fair use upload. Done. ClemRutter (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, does that now complicate matters? Can we still use that pic if he isn't the topic of the article, only an important figure in it? I don't normally go anywhere near fair use images except logos and book/journal covers!   Pam  D  13:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well the answer is either yes, at the time of upload the statement was correct, or if not we'll soon find out! I am not going to get precious about it- we just leave it close to the Discovery section- possibly on the left. When we get a fair use image of the hoard it may have to go- or be txed to another article, ClemRutter (talk) 14:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for A Surge of Power (Jen Reid) 2020
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 05:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 19
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Our Lady's Catholic College, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page BTEC.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:30, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Elder Mill, Romiley Marple 0002.png
Thanks for uploading File:Elder Mill, Romiley Marple 0002.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #4
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this newsletter

Reply tool


The Reply tool  has been available as a Beta Feature at the Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias since 31 March 2020. The first analysis showed positive results.


 * More than 300 editors used the Reply tool at these four Wikipedias. They  posted more than 7,400 replies during the study period.
 * Of the people who posted a comment with the Reply tool, about 70% of them used the tool multiple times. About 60% of them used it on multiple days.
 * Comments from Wikipedia editors are positive. One said, أعتقد أن الأداة تقدم فائدة ملحوظة؛ فهي تختصر الوقت لتقديم رد بدلًا من التنقل بالفأرة إلى وصلة تعديل القسم أو الصفحة، التي تكون بعيدة عن التعليق الأخير في الغالب، ويصل المساهم لصندوق التعديل بسرعة باستخدام الأداة.  ("I think the tool has a significant impact; it saves time to reply while the classic way is to move with a mouse to the Edit link to edit the section or the page which is generally far away from the comment. And the user reaches to the edit box so quickly to use the Reply tool.")

The Editing team released the Reply tool as a Beta Feature at eight other Wikipedias in early August. Those Wikipedias are in the Chinese, Czech, Georgian, Serbian, Sorani Kurdish, Swedish, Catalan, and Korean languages. If you would like to use the Reply tool at your wiki, please tell User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF).

The Reply tool is still in active development. Per request from the Dutch Wikipedia and other editors, you will be able to customize the edit summary. (The default edit summary is "Reply".) A "ping" feature is available in the Reply tool's visual editing mode. This feature searches for usernames. Per request from the Arabic Wikipedia, each wiki will be able to set its own preferred symbol for pinging editors. Per request from editors at the Japanese and Hungarian Wikipedias, each wiki can define a preferred signature prefix in the page MediaWiki:Discussiontools-signature-prefix. For example, some languages omit spaces before signatures. Other communities want to add a dash or a non-breaking space.

New requirements for user signatures

 * The new requirements for custom user signatures began on 6 July 2020. If you try to create a custom signature that does not meet the requirements, you will get an error message.
 * Existing custom signatures that do not meet the new requirements will be unaffected temporarily . Eventually, all custom signatures will need to meet the new requirements. You can check your signature and see lists of active editors whose custom signatures need to be corrected.  Volunteers have been contacting editors who need to change their custom signatures.  If you need to change your custom signature, then please read the help page.

Next: New discussion tool
Next, the team will be working on a tool for quickly and easily starting a new discussion section to a talk page. To follow the development of this new tool, please put the New Discussion Tool project page on your watchlist.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 40
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 40, July – August 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partnerships
 * Al Manhal
 * Ancestry
 * RILM
 * #1Lib1Ref May 2020 report
 * AfLIA hires a Wikipedian-in-Residence

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --10:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 21:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 13
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Gridlink Interconnector, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page English.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 09:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Lincolnshire schools
This is 65 from List of Lincolshire Schools (74)

GA class

 * 1) Carre's Grammar School
 * 2) St George's Academy

B class

 * 1) Lincoln College, Lincolnshire

C class

 * 1) Caistor Grammar School
 * 2) Cordeaux Academy
 * 3) Queen Elizabeth's Grammar School, Horncastle
 * 4) The Deepings School
 * 5) The Priory Academy LSST

Start class

 * 1) Banovallum School
 * 2) Barnes Wallis Academy
 * 3) Boston College (England)
 * 4) Boston Grammar School
 * 5) Bourne Academy
 * 6) Bourne Grammar School
 * 7) Branston Community Academy
 * 8) Caistor Yarborough Academy
 * 9) De Aston School
 * 10) Ellison Boulters Academy
 * 11) Excell International School
 * 12) Gleed Boys' School
 * 13) Gleed Girls' Technology College
 * 14) Grantham College
 * 15) Haven High Academy
 * 16) John Spendluffe Technology College
 * 17) Kesteven and Grantham Girls' School
 * 18) Kesteven and Sleaford High School
 * 19) King Edward VI Academy
 * 20) King Edward VI Grammar School, Louth
 * 21) Lincoln Castle Academy
 * 22) Lincoln Christ's Hospital School
 * 23) Lincoln Minster School
 * 24) Monks' Dyke Tennyson College
 * 25) Priory Pembroke Academy
 * 26) Queen Elizabeth's Grammar School, Alford
 * 27) Queen Elizabeth's High School
 * 28) Sir Robert Pattinson Academy
 * 29) Skegness Academy
 * 30) Skegness Grammar School
 * 31) Somercotes Academy
 * 32) Spalding Academy, Lincolnshire
 * 33) Spalding Grammar School
 * 34) Spalding High School, Lincolnshire
 * 35) Stamford High School, Lincolnshire
 * 36) Stamford School
 * 37) The King's School, Grantham
 * 38) William Farr School

Stub class

 * 1) Charles Read Academy
 * 2) Giles Academy
 * 3) Kitwood Boys School
 * 4) North Kesteven School
 * 5) Priory City of Lincoln Academy
 * 6) Sir William Robertson Academy
 * 7) Sleaford Joint Sixth Form
 * 8) St Peter and St Paul's Catholic Voluntary Academy
 * 9) Stamford Welland Academy✅ 13 September 2020
 * 10) Staniland Academy
 * 11) Tattershall College
 * 12) The Gainsborough Academy
 * 13) The Priory Ruskin Academy
 * 14) The Priory Witham Academy
 * 15) The Thomas Cowley High School
 * 16) The West Grantham Academy St Hugh's
 * 17) Thomas Middlecott Academy
 * 18) University Academy Holbeach
 * 19) University Academy Long Sutton
 * 20) William Lovell Church of England Academy

All the best: Rich Farmbrough  16:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC).

Extra
Added to WikiProject Schools, or otherwise not included above. (Stubs unless otherwise noted)


 * 1) The Lafford High School
 * 2) The Aveland High School
 * 3) South Park High School, Lincoln
 * 4) Boston High School (Start)
 * 5) Bourne Abbey Church of England Academy (Start)
 * 6) Central Technology and Sports College
 * 7) Coteland's School Ruskington (Start)
 * 8) Grantham Preparatory School
 * 9) Huntingtower Academy (Thatcher link)
 * 10) Kirkstone House School
 * 11) Malcolm Sargent Primary School
 * 12) Regents Academy (Start)
 * 13) St Hugh's School, Woodhall Spa(Start)
 * 14) Walton Academy (Grantham)
 * 15) Witham Hall

All the best: Rich Farmbrough  08:49, 14 September 2020 (UTC).

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Wolstanton High School.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Wolstanton High School.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Back to the definite article
Hi Clem, Hope your well. I'm hoping to get some help from you at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships. I will now send you a test email... Broichmore (talk) 13:22, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you get the e-mail Clem? Broichmore (talk) 13:55, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No I will have to check my settings- Thanks for the help.--ClemRutter (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020
Your edit to Sprowston Community Academy has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Copying text from other sources for more information. — Diannaa (talk) 10:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

✅}addressed.--ClemRutter (talk) 17:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 30
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited The Carlton Academy, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page BTEC.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 10:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Reverting
Telling someone that "reversions are tedious" by way of a reversion is ironic, no? Why don't you follow your own advice and join the discussion, rather than revert to the contested version? Parsecboy (talk) 15:17, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 02:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 14
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Harris Boys' Academy, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page BTEC.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:08, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Harris Garrard Academy
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Business Academy Bexley a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Harris Garrard Academy. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Requests for history merge. Thank you. Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for watching. I never use these templates as they as so patronising. It just struck me it would be really good if you could to make it to the next London Meetup which like everything is on Zoom. Its mainly what the Germans call a Stammtisch but it keeps you up with the gossip, and gives you a sounding board for new ideas. ClemRutter (talk) 22:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi ClemRutter, welcome and yeah I know what you mean haha. I see, I'll try :) — I came across this one you recently created, will you be working on this more? Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:47, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The aim is to locate all the secondary schools in the Harris Federation  and write a start class article on each one. What I require is an infobox  with and URL and a navbox, two references, and Ofsted will usuaally be one, and a logo and a map (a pushpin will do- until your mapframe arrives) and 1500 characters of text. Those were the requirements for the Destubathon a couple of months ago. I can't leave it there- so I need to have a meaningful ==Academics== section, This can usually be constructed from the school website using the keywords "Curriculum Intent". Harris Academy Ockendon produced two 12 page document, which I am assimilating. I have put a poor synopsis on our page- as holding text, but there are so much detail on currect educational theory and practice that it will rightfully double the article size.


 * Back to Riverside- I have got their intent documents and honestly, they need a good rewriting. As they share an Executative head. I fully expect that they will be rewritten in the next twelve month and this has been delayed by Corvid. I was pulled away from Garrard before I could do anything useful and haven't even checked if there are any duplicate articles under different Bexley names.


 * I also found two reference sites Details of Nicholas Hare achitects and the switch panel at Harris of all academies, and all proposed academies. The potential to lose focus is vast. My working list of Harris and other destubs is here. Destubs in Progress at the bottom.ClemRutter (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I see, that's good :D - I was looking at the Harris Academy Ockendon, it's look good but I've noticed a few problems. For example, "The Ockenden Academy was a popular 11 to 18 medium-sized comprehensive school that was strong on pastoral care, with well behaved pupils and a good sixth form programme" — this is promotional. The description section is redundant, the text here is usually mentioned in the lead paragraph (don't forget the school article guidelines).
 * The text "the school opened in 1956, named the Lennard's Secondary Modern School" — the given citation next to it doesn't say this? The text "When Essex converted to the non-selective comprehensive school system, Lennard's became Culverhouse Comprehensive School" — the given citation next to it doesn't say this? The next sentence says "In April 2009, the school became designated as a Training School" — the given citation next to it doesn't say this too, it's just an FAQ page?
 * The text "In August 2010, the school received the highest pass rate in its GCSE examinations, with 98% achieving A*-C grades" is missing a source. The section Curriculum content needs to be reworded, because it sounds like it's talking about schools in general rather than Harris Academy Ockendon, the subject of the article.
 * Perhaps you have the references but didn't include it or am I missing something here? Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We are working to get this up to a C- there's lots of shakey stuff. I leave it it the more talented to get it to GA! The Ofsted report is thin on history. I have not yet discovered the nature Culverhouse- there is a Blog post to it being two schools Culverhouse Boys and CulverhouseGirls. The comments on strengths are my paraphrasing of the Ofsted Report that put it in special measures. Do you know Essex? A neighbour works 2km away and had never encountered the school- it is rather devoid of local historians or histories. The primary sources are brilliant! - over the next six weeks we can build it up but it will be slow and my priority is destubbing or writing articles on the remaining academies first. ClemRutter (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * An interesting question is what is the copyright status of academy policy documents that they are required to write by HMG and required to make available to the public. Required to submit to Ofsted that itself since 2018 has been required to publish under a OGL. Any thoughts?

ClemRutter (talk) 21:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 21
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Harris Academy Ockendon, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Ockenden.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Free schools not academies
Hi there

I notice you have been creating a few school articles. Good job! But please be aware that despite their names most 'new schools' opened in the last 5 years or so are actually Free schools, not academies. I have changed Harris Academy Riverside and Harris Academy Sutton but I just thought i'd give you a heads up. Bleaney (talk) 16:39, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry- I blinked! Look though at todays effort-Harris Invictus Academy Croydon- the GIAS reference says it is a free schools. The Ofsted sitesays it is an academy- and the Osted report p.8 calls it academy free school.
 * You have probably guessed that I am continuing the Destubathon. I had destubbed Norfolk secondary schools and Rich had drawn up the list of target schools in Lincolnshire but I got distracted by the Harris Federation and its rich array of stubs! The navbox is useful- nonexistant articles redirect back to Harris Federation. I am near the end, so now I can go back and hone the ==Academics== and the building description.


 * There are some interesting questions. Harris prides itself on getting the paperwork in order so it always gets an Outstanding Ofsted judgement. What is the copyright status of the governor approved policy docs. As they are input documents for Ofsted, who publishes almost everything under OGL. They must be open to the public- is it possible that they are open source. ClemRutter (talk) 19:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a dilemma, I do find this academy programme frustrating. Free school is a type of academy, so it would be better to use free school. Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the information you have written from the Ofsted report in the Harris Invictus Academy Croydon article — it seems unnecessary and unencyclopedic, and a bit promotional. Perhaps it is a bit too much? Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Far too soon to say. If we just left it there it is WP:UNDUE however when we have added the massive amount of material we have about the award winning building and joint community use, and the new insight we have on Curriculum Intent and 'Teaching and learning'. I have still to get my head round the history, the governance and sponsoring by invictus, the local community group. You have to contrast the 2012 race riots with the use of architecture and the atmosphere in the reported in 2016- which at the time was the story. It is easy to tell a bad news story- this is a lot harder. If you read between the lines, this was one of the schools that ran a two year KS3 and was admonished by ofsted, and now has reverted. It is far more positive to talk to editors you know on the talk page first. If you were to start to work on Harris Academy Tottenhamfor example- I would stay clear, and just make Talk: comments, till you felt you could go no further. I will continue on this one till it has got structure and touching on a 'C". Once we have destubbed all the Harris Academies, I want to go back and improve each one of them. I am so much clearer on available info on statutory policies. In the medium term, could you start thinking about a simple metric we could use distinguish between Start/C C/B so the process is less random. Have you any idea when the pushpin maps will be redundant? Enough for tonight! ClemRutter (talk) 23:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as i'm aware, ALL brand new schools established in the last 5 years or so will either be Free Schools, UTCs or Studio Schools. Although these types of school fall under the 'Academy programme' they are legally distinct. The only new 'academies' will be existing schools that convert to academy status. I generally use the DfE website as this tends to be accurate (if a little out of date at times). They generally get the terms right and don't publish inaccurate information. Bleaney (talk) 12:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use file Harris Academy Upper Norwood.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use file Harris Academy Upper Norwood.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 02:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Burkina Faso lists of schools
Hi! I found the domain mena.gov.bf is the domain of the Burkina Faso Ministry of Education. I found some lists that may help:


 * Private schools: http://www.mena.gov.bf/informations/actualites/articles?tx_news_pi1%5Baction%5D=detail&tx_news_pi1%5Bcontroller%5D=News&tx_news_pi1%5Bnews%5D=117&cHash=72621e0c50098ce39775a3fa86b50c7c

I haven't found public schools yet...

I'm making copies of the lists on archive.is, Wayback Machine, and megalodon.jp so they can be accessed in the future.

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the research- I have absolutely no time to get involved- it was used solely to make a point. I made a comment some time back about the need to destub schools articles- and that will keep me busy for the next couple of decades. I have done Norfolk, and nearly completed all of the Harris Federation schools, and naturally that has raised other interesting and time-consuming hares to follow.
 * One interesting concept is the different ways a curriculum is experienced. It has been suggested as


 * Intended curriculum (the required knowledge, skills, and understanding as outlined).
 * Enacted curriculum(the curriculum as delivered by individual teachers).
 * Assessed curriculum (the knowledge, skills, and understanding, students are tested on).
 * Learned curriculum (the knowledge, skills, and understanding students assimilate)
 * and a hidden curriculum. The discussion
 * This has been colouring my thinking about the canon of knowledge in Wikipedia. Maybe that 'wikipedia is not a directory' is our intended 'curriculum' but I am damned sure that it is for many 'the learned experience' (de facto). Give a child a tablet and a poor internet connection- WP is the only source they have or want. If they don't arrive directly- they come via Google who thinks we are everything and a directory.
 * One of the factors that changes the intended curriculum to the enacted curriculum is the ability and prejudices of the teachers. I do see teachers with absolutist views,(Fundamental Christians and the Jesuits come to mind) impeding the intention. Often they defeat the overall purpose, by choosing a small point and creating a mantra. It becomes their personal rock. They are unshakeable and usually wrong.
 * So there's a point of view. I haven't the ability really to work this up- I lack the necessary PhD. I just feel that there we are going the wrong way.ClemRutter (talk) 10:33, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use image St Anne&#39;s Roman Catholic High School.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use image St Anne&. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 03:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Missing cites in mills articles
Hi, as I was going thru Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, I came across a bunch of Lancashire cotton mills articles. I fixed a whole bunch of the easy ones. Please help fix the rest:
 * Havelock Mills: none of the 4 short refs correspond to a bibliography entry
 * Arkwright Mill, Rochdale: "Grace 1891"
 * List of mills in Derbyshire: "Cooper 1983"
 * List of mills in Lancashire: "Graham 2008" and "Cooper 1983"
 * List of mills in Stockport: "Historic England & 1067162" -- could not find such number in the listed building database
 * List of mills in Tameside: "Naismith 1894"
 * Ellenroad Mill: "Youngs (1991)", "Rochdale Metropolitan Borough Council", "Butterworth (1828)", "Hills 1989" (should be Hills 1993??)
 * Mellor Mill: "Ashmore 1989"
 * Quarry Bank Mill: "Calladine & Fricker 2007" (typo in year?)
 * Swan Lane Mills: "Haworth 1993"
 * Trencherfield Mill: "Frangoulp 1977"
 * Piece-rate list: "Memory 2013"
 * Weaving shed: "TICCIH 2007"

Also, please install a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page.

Thanks, Renata (talk) 14:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 22:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Queens Park High School et al
Hi Clem thanks for messaging me, it is good to speak with you! At the moment i'm doing a 'sweep' of schools in England, using Lists of schools, school navboxes and categories as a guide. i'm working through all schools in England by region and then county, so I've already done the East of England, East Midlands, Greater London and North East England. I've now started North West England and finished Cheshire, shortly to begin Cumbria.

In terms of what i'm actually doing to articles- I'm checking articles to see their names are up to date, to see whether their status has changed (converted to an academy or closed etc), adding or updating DfE URNs, adding or updating school 'types', checking they are listed in alphabetical order, adding school infoboxes to articles that don't have them, 'rescuing' articles that are essentially orphaned or miscategorised and doing general small tidys. I'm not at the moment going 'in depth' to improve articles... I suppose you could call it 'helicopter editing' if you like haha. if I have time I could be up for attending a virtual London meetup. happy editing! Bleaney (talk) 14:22, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 41
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 41, September – October 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partnership: Taxmann
 * WikiCite
 * 1Lib1Ref 2021

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --10:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Mons Mill, Todmorden 0006.png
Thanks for uploading File:Mons Mill, Todmorden 0006.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for November 27
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Grenfell Tower Inquiry, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page WTF.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Grenfell Inquiry: near-duplicate section
Hi, thanks for your to Grenfell Tower Inquiry, adding a "December 2020" section. However:
 * a few minutes before you posted your edit, I had already a "December 2020" section covering essentially the same ground;
 * your edit seems to relate to Phase Two of the inquiry, but you posted yours outside of the Phase Two section of the article, rather than adding it as a sibling to the existing dated sections from Phase Two.

Would you be willing to either revert your edit, or to consolidate it with mine, both to avoid having duplicate content in the article and to avoid having Phase Two-related content outside of the Phase Two section of the article? Thanks again, Zazpot (talk) 02:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC); edited 02:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please go ahead and revert and consolidate. As you see, I try to update the article with any new material that Robert Booth publishes in the Guardian- it doesn't mean that I turn my brain on first! Thanks for asking first.ClemRutter (talk) 09:52, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Done. Zazpot (talk) 21:11, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 14:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

December 2020
<div class="user-block" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px"> You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. — Diannaa (talk) 15:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC) I have blocked your account, because in spite of repeated warnings, you continued to add copyright material to Wikipedia in violation of our copyright policy. You cannot resume editing until you provide a statement describing how copyright applies to Wikipedia, show that you understand our copyright policy, and make a commitment to follow it in the future.— Diannaa (talk) 15:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Jumping to an indefinite block for a long term user, without even a warning, seems extremely excessive to me. Please reconsider this. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Warnings were issued, , , , — Diannaa (talk) 15:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Starting point
<div style="width:400px; margin:0 auto; text-align:center; font-size:110%; font-family:Georgia, Times, 'Times New Roman', serif;"> This user misses RexxS. We remember better times, when ability and competence mattered, and WP:AGF was a guiding principle. --ClemRutter (talk) 10:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

CCI notice
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that a request for a contributor copyright investigation has been filed at Contributor copyright investigations concerning your contributions to Wikipedia in relation to Wikipedia's copyrights policy. The listing can be found here. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 15:21, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * . Maybe if you could do me the courtesy to inform me which of the 6000 content creating edits I have made this year is causing offence I could take a look at it. You have made valuable suggestions to me in the past, and I considered that each of the incidents had been satisfactory closed I am a little surprised that you haven't posted a note on my talk page to say you had a further concern. As far as I am aware, everything I post is fully referenced so should be easy to check. ClemRutter (talk) 15:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * This seems to be the immediate cause. Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * THanks Johnbod.ClemRutter (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec) I am at work right now but just wanted to post a quick note. I found multiple violations on Thinking School, a new article which you created. I have not finished cleaning it yet, as I had to go to work, and I doubt there will be much content left when I am done. It appears the whole article is blocks of text copied from other (copyright) websites. You've received five warnings, two of them this year, so it seems to me the time for warnings has past, regardless of the amount of good work you do here.  — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 17:00, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. Shall we put this in context: I spawned this article from Thinking Schools Academy Trust(TSAT) which I was examining because of Rochester Grammar School and newspaper report that didn't tie up to our article that was overly saccrine. TSAT is a MAT but about a half of it was an unintellible description of 'Thinking Schools'. I created a new page saying where the text had come from. I did not check then the text I had moved for copyvio- major error. Next stage of the clean up was to move sections to open it up to future edits.
 * There were two interesting referencing problems here. There were an abundance of references from individual school websites, all seeming to source back to the Exeter university Web site and a lot of similar cut and pastes. Using the policy that Primary Sources are permitable- but only for fact (as here) but a secondary source is also needed. This is still a delicate balancing act. We have two independent source that I could use. I think that we have a disagreement about how closely we should paraphrase (and advice welcome), but I understand that you cannot copyright fact so it is perfectly acceptable to cut and paste phrases made up of technical terms and do not express an opinion or BIAS by what is omitted. I understand that it is the creative edit that is copyrighted not the words used. There is a permitted percentage of copyrightable text that can be used, and I am very careful to use the minimum. The percentage of any text of the source article or any source paragraph is low and then always reworded or paraphrased. If you think I have gone to close for every international incarnation of copyright law then please just tag the phrase. I am not sure that the tools available are sensitive enough to distinguish between violation and close paraphrasing.
 * Back to the article, we now need to complete the Accreditation section, there is list there which I am debating on removing and then have a formal process to describe, for which I am still looking for some more independent references. I am sure that when you have looked at this more closely you will wish to delete any violations I missed leaving an inline comment, and restore the framework text. My edit window has now closed so a longer reply is not too urgent. ClemRutter (talk) 19:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You are correct that fair use laws allow a certain amount of copying, but that rule does not apply to Wikipedia editing. The amount of copying you should be doing is none at all . Wikipedia has a very strict copyright policy, stricter in some ways than copyright law itself, because Wikipedia's fair use policy does not allow us to copy material from copyright sources when there's a freely licensed alternative available. In this case the freely licensed material is prose that we write ourselves. So please, no copying of text from your sources. Exceptions include things like job titles, names of schools, alphabetical lists, etc.— Diannaa (talk) 22:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll get back to you in the New Year, we really do need to crystalise all this advise so it is prominently and definitively placed in WP:WPSCH. ClemRutter (talk) 15:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 10
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Kirkby High School, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages BTEC and Knowsley.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 11:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2020
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 14:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Submission for Addition to Bank Street School of Education Article
Hi ClemRutter,

I hope 2021 is treating you well. I have been working on a draft for an additional section to Bank Street College of Education. This new section has information about Bank Street School for Children, an entity within Bank Street College of Education. Info included in this section: Bank Street School for Children description, school structure, curriculum, admissions info, extracurricular activities, and notable alumni and faculty. I would very much appreciate your review and feedback, and, hopefully, its addition to Bank Street's current wikipedia article. Let me know your thoughts. Many thanks in advance. -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 19:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have had a quick glance, and to do the task justice is going to take some time, and I can start by throwing out some random ideas. Firstly I looked for our article on developmental-interaction. That needs to written- there is no REDIRECT from Bank Street approach which there should have been: Montessori and Waldorf School have something. We need the article and then a paragraph Bank_Street_College_of_Education-- which gives a description of Approach then a comparison with the others. We need to have all that in place before we can (did I just say we?) before we can demonstrate how the school is an embodiment of the principle or how it has deviated. Thats fine for kindergarden stuff- but how does that all apply in yr 5 and yr 8 (it is the transition from free learning to formal JHS that is the hard bit). All this is 1930s stuff- how did the ethos and the curriculum intent change in the 50s, 70s and through Trump. How did Vygotsky change it? Looking at the organisation- how big are the teaching groups? Does the school have walls or is it open plan, what is the internal and external appraisal system. What do we know about the intake- what is the %age of vulnerable children (free school meals), ESL (English as a Second Language) and gifted, how is the curriculum modified for them. I ll have a further look some time tomorrow. - and may be write in full sentences.ClemRutter (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So sorry for my late response on this. Thank you for your quick reply! Your recs make sense, and I agree they'll take some time. I'll work with the School for Children to flesh out some more copy re: developmental interaction and your other questions about the school and facility. Thanks again. -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 20:22, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Bank Street is game for tackling an article on developmental interaction. Their team is talking with their librarians to start putting together citation sources. This will probably take them some time, but once I have this info, I'd love to run ideas with you. Meanwhile, do you think we have enough basic info and citations on the School for Children to add a stub to the Bank Street College of Education article? Since there isn't any mention of the School for Children at all, it'd be great if we could at least get some basic info on there. Thanks -- DanielKlotz (talk · contribs) 18:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #1
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this newsletter

Reply tool
The Reply tool  is available at most other Wikipedias.


 * The Reply tool has been deployed as an opt-out preference to all editors at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.
 * It is also available as a Beta Feature at almost all Wikipedias except for the English, Russian, and German-language Wikipedias. If it is not available at your wiki, you can request it by following these simple instructions.

Research notes:


 * As of January 2021, more than 3,500 editors have used the Reply tool to post about 70,000 comments.
 * There is preliminary data from the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedia on the Reply tool. Junior Contributors who use the Reply tool are more likely to publish the comments that they start writing than those who use full-page wikitext editing.
 * The Editing and Parsing teams have significantly reduced the number of edits that affect other parts of the page. About 0.3% of edits did this during the last month. Some of the remaining changes are automatic corrections for Special:LintErrors.
 * Венов_дијаграм.svg A large A/B test will start soon. This is part of the process to offer the Reply tool to everyone.  During this test, half of all editors at 24 Wikipedias (not including the English Wikipedia) will have the Reply tool automatically enabled, and half will not. Editors at those Wikipeedias can still turn it on or off for their own accounts in Special:Preferences.

New discussion tool
The new tool for starting new discussions (new sections) will join the Discussion tools in Special:Preferences at the end of January. You can try the tool for yourself. You can leave feedback in this thread or on the talk page.

Next: Notifications
During Talk pages consultation 2019, editors said that it should be easier to know about new activity in conversations they are interested in. The Notifications project is just beginning. What would help you become aware of new comments? What's working with the current system? Which pages at your wiki should the team look at? Please post your advice at mw:Talk:Talk pages project/Notifications.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 42
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 42, November – December 2020 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New EBSCO collections now available
 * 1Lib1Ref 2021 underway
 * Library Card input requested
 * Libraries love Wikimedia, too!

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --14:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Neston High School
Hi Clem,

As you seem to be a bit of an article 'rescuer' like me, do you think you could help with Neston High School? It is up for deletion, and i've tried to improve the article, but could do with some back up lol. Bleaney (talk) 14:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Clem, excellent work on Neston High School :-) Bleaney (talk) 17:24, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I would like to say 'You ain't seen nothing yet'- I am a bit slow at the moment- coughing et c, and neighbours phoning to check I am still alive, etc. A bit distracting. But have you checked the building external link- amazing. That and Cheshire On-line we have a fantastic building section in the making. The academics section can be generated from the curriculum intent on their website, with refs from Ofsted. I am collecting on my Home Page in the 'hidden' sections useful template paragraphs on common sections- and common ripostes. Speak soon. --ClemRutter (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I am leaving it now. We have the references, and the Ofsted decision to use it in a briefing paper, takes the biscuit- not notable indeed. It is now up to someone wot Spekes betterer Ingerlish (another Merseyside joke) to take it further. ClemRutter (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Oasis Academy Southbank to Oasis Academy South Bank
Hi Clem

I noticed you have created redirects for the secondary Oasis Academies without articles (well done with Oasis Academy Arena btw). However FYI the redirect for Oasis Academy Southbank is misspelt I believe, according to the DfE and the schools own website it is Oasis Academy South Bank. Hope you are well! Bleaney (talk) 11:12, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I am hoping to do one a day- and with your assistance get the whole lot up to 'C'. Make any changes that needs to be made, please. Have you discovered Oasis Academy MediaCityUK that was Saturday's focus. Today I am in Oldham- some text will be travelling with me. Oasis Academy Temple Quarter could be a first- we will have a nice article, but its odds on that it will never be built. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oasis Academy Leesbrook is done. I have started on Oasis Academy South Bank and gained a bit of anonymous opposition! I think this is going to take more than a day to sort out.ClemRutter (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oasis Academy Lister Park written to gain a little context for the new head at Oasis Academy Isle of Sheppey.ClemRutter (talk) 14:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 07:37, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

ping fail
WP:Notifications only works if it's done on the exact same edit as a WP:Signature. I didn't get your ping. Fortunately, I have the page watchlisted so I saw it and replied. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  22:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Another method- is to fully wake up, and put your glasses on first. --ClemRutter (talk) 09:26, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for missing. I stole the presentation from Bish on 4 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Bish, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for February 28
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Oasis Academy Silvertown, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Free school.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:11, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 8
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Thinking Schools Academy Trust, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Overage.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:15, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 15:59, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Walbottle Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Walbottle Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 42
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 42, January – February 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New partnerships: PNAS, De Gruyter, Nomos
 * 1Lib1Ref
 * Library Card

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --11:27, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 5
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Robert Clack School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Community school.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:08, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Cox Turner Morse


A tag has been placed on Cox Turner Morse requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company, corporation or organization that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Pam D  20:35, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 22:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Nottingham College edits
Hi. I appreciate not wanting to remove items, the issue is given the merger and history, there are a lot of previous centres to list for the former colleges, this includes Beeston, Clarendon, Clifton, Maid Marian Way, West Bridgford (if you go back that far). I'm not sure there's much benefit having them still listed. A small reference to key sites seems enough without adding further less relevant content. I have declared my status with the college on my profile page. My intention isn't to have bias or influence the Wikipedia page from a corporate perspective, I am trying to remain factual and keep things accurate where possible. Happy to revert my edits if you feel this is better and restructure it. Jamesmacwhite (talk) 10:16, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There are people out there who are interested in the historical centre, though they must not dominate the article. Great you are putting in the effort- carry on on writing it your way- I won't touch it, and when you are finished we can re-evalute the best way to list the historic centres. --ClemRutter (talk) 11:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 1
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited WMG Academy for Young Engineers, Coventry, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page BTEC.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:55, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Harris Academy Tottenham
I'm so sorry about my snotty tone of voice in the ES there. I meant what I said about the content in principle but I should have said it much more nicely. Apologies. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 12:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * – I was probably taking out some work frustration or something on it. Gah! sorry. DBaK (talk) 12:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I have such a short term memory now, that the following morning I can't remember the bilge I wrote the night before. I am just delighted that someone else cares. When the first edition comes out of the Guardian- I try to make sure that we have an article on each of their important articles even when I am nodding off at the keyboard. --ClemRutter (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Clem, that is very decent of you. I was intending then to say something sympathetic to you about memory issues, but I can't remember what it was ... have a lovely day, cheers, DBaK (talk) 15:31, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 9
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Crewe Engineering and Design UTC, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page John Ramsbottom.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:59, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 43
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 43, March – April 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New Library Card designs
 * 1Lib1Ref May

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --11:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 04:54, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Ron Dearing UTC.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Ron Dearing UTC.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * OK -the replacement is a better image--ClemRutter (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Missing cites in mills articles
Hi, just wanted to follow up on my previous message regarfing Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors in various Lancashire cotton mills articles. It does not appear that any of the errors have been addressed. Can you please help resolve them?
 * Havelock Mills: none of the 4 short refs correspond to a bibliography entry
 * Arkwright Mill, Rochdale: "Grace 1891"
 * List of mills in Derbyshire: "Cooper 1983"
 * List of mills in Lancashire: "Graham 2008" and "Cooper 1983"
 * List of mills in Stockport: "Historic England & 1067162" -- could not find such number in the listed building database
 * List of mills in Tameside: "Naismith 1894"
 * Ellenroad Mill: "Youngs (1991)", "Rochdale Metropolitan Borough Council", "Butterworth (1828)", "Hills 1989" (should be Hills 1993??)
 * Mellor Mill: "Ashmore 1989"
 * Quarry Bank Mill: "Calladine & Fricker 2007" (typo in year?)
 * Swan Lane Mills: "Haworth 1993"
 * Trencherfield Mill: "Frangoulp 1977"
 * Piece-rate list: "Memory 2013"
 * Weaving shed: "TICCIH 2007"

Also, please install a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page.

Thanks, Renata (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Surge of power
Clem, when you say "You really needed to have spoken to someone experienced in UK Criminal Damage Law before committing such an egregious error of judgement." you need to clarify who your "you" is - I don't think it's the immediately above poster, SteveLoughran, and probably not the previous editor at one level less indentation, LukeSurl, but perhaps the person who deleted the images? Clarification would be useful. See you Sunday perhaps? Pam D  19:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I missed that one! Edit conflicts and real life intervention meant I was rewriting and rewriting and failing to post in time! Luke has changed the image failing to see that it will/has been reduced in size to comply with Fair Use. More work needed there- sorry out of time- train to catch. See you Sunday.--ClemRutter (talk) 08:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 14:08, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use image statue-A Surge of Power (Jan Reid) 2020.jpg
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use image statue-A Surge of Power (Jan Reid) 2020.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #2
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this newsletter



Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

The key results were:


 * Newer editors who had automatic ("default on") access to the Reply tool were more likely to post a comment on a talk page.
 * The comments that newer editors made with the Reply Tool were also less likely to be reverted than the comments that newer editors made with page editing.

These results give the Editing team confidence that the tool is helpful.

Looking ahead

The team is planning to make the Reply tool available to everyone as an opt-out preference in the coming months. This has already happened at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.

The next step is to resolve a technical challenge. Then, they will deploy the Reply tool first to the Wikipedias that participated in the study. After that, they will deploy it, in stages, to the other Wikipedias and all WMF-hosted wikis.

You can turn on "Discussion Tools" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

00:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 19
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Brownlow Integrated College, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Craigavon.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:56, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

North Coast Integrated
The content that was submitted in 2007 was a list of eight (then-)current pupils at NCIC, along with the notation that one of them had just passed her driving test.

There are no issues with you starting a legitimate article on this topic; good luck. DS (talk) 14:47, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Photo request
William Coles Finch is buried in the churchyard of St Nicholas Church, Rochester. Any chance of a photograph of his grave? Mjroots (talk) 13:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I would if I knew where the graveyard was. The reference just locates it to the south, along the Maidstone Road- Open Street Map variously calls this St Margaret's Cemetery and St Mary's. Google St Margaret's Cemetery. Any further clues? --ClemRutter (talk) 14:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * That's all I've got. There's no hurry. Might even fit in a trip to Rochester myself once lockdown has ended. Have discovered that there is not only a waterwheel but an horse mill at Eastgate House museum. Amazing what you can find when searching on the internet for a book, isn't it? Am trying to get all nine of WCF's books. I think the one of the Foords will be the hardest to track down. Mjroots (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A lot has happened at Eastgate House since I was involved in the 1990s. A lot of things have been moved around. This appears to be the safest link. The high street was quite sad last time I walked down there. ClemRutter (talk) 15:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 4
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited St Benet Biscop Catholic Academy, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Blyth.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 05:46, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Great to see you
Was really good to see you at the meetup this weekend Clem. I hope the arm's doing better, and that you had a less eventful journey home! the wub "?!"  20:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * --ClemRutter (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Well all Monday was in hospital-they will fit a distal plate, when theatre vacant over the next ten days. With plaster cast, typing difficult. It was a good meeting.
 * Oh no, awfully sorry to hear it's that serious! But now even more impressed that you still made it and soldiered on through it all afternoon! Take it easy, and I hope they manage to get you all fixed up soon. the wub "?!"  23:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 21
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Integrated education, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Moira.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2021
Your edit to Integrated education has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Copying text from other sources for more information. ''This is your final warning. Further violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy will result in you being blocked from editing.'' — Diannaa (talk) 18:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the warning- I am stuck in hospital editing with a broken wrist- I ll get a third party to look over the text tomorrow, I am not really in the position to hold a long discussion until I get control of a few more fingers.ClemRutter (talk) 19:10, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So sorry to hear about the wrist, Clem - I heard more about it at this afternoon's online meeting. I do hope you mend completely. Best wishes. Pam  D  16:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * : Can you guys,and anyone else have a look at Integrated Education and associated sites Lagan College etc and give an opinion. I was working on the problem, and going to discuss it at the London Meetup when gravity intervened!(Operation sucessful but cast and further treatment ongoing!). Most of what says I agree with, she has better tools than me when it comes to copyvios, but now I am in a difficult position. We have one sound reference-a [NI gov report which can be used to replace most of the disputed text.
 * .If you wish to get my a attention it is more effective to message me with: Hi, Clem, can you take alook at......, so we can address the problem together. I welcome your edits on Lagan CollegeI hadn't got round to checking that link. That is a clear copyvio from somewhere and unreferenced- I would have deleted that rather than tagged it. It was a historic posting, but a newbie is unlikely to understand the tag and would just walk away. When that is deleted, we could look a WP:RS. This provides more to the story. I was wondering if we could justify using the image on that site under fair use?. How much further do you wish to get involved with content writing for Integrated Education or other NI Education articles? I can use the talk pages more if I know I have a partner.ClemRutter (talk) 11:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You've received multiple other warnings and one block in December 2020 regarding copyright. A request for copyright investigation on your contributions was opened in Janaury 2021. Normally with long-time contributors I use a personalized note for the first warning and templates thereafter. I get it that we're not supposed to template the regulars but when personalized notes don't get the desired result, which is a cessation of violations of our copyright policy, I use the templates.
 * As I mentioned at WP:CP, the copyright content at Lagan College has been there since 2007, and its removal will pretty much stubbify the article, so I decided to list it there as interested persons will have at least a week to attempt a rewrite.
 * The image at this site is not suitable for fair use, as it does not have any source or author information, and it is not likely to pass all ten criteria listed at WP:NFCCP.
 * Sorry I am not interested in working on articles on education in Northern Ireland.— Diannaa (talk) 12:39, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I can confirm that that Clem was injured on the way to the last London wikimeet but heroically bandaged himself up so that he could see it through. It's a shame that he is now laid up in hospital but it's good that he is getting treatment.  I have put integrated education and Lagan College on my watchlist and so will keep an eye on them.  For another educational topic which is in need of attention, please see cheat sheet. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, get well soon, Clem, and then I'm sure this can be sorted out. All the best. Johnbod (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 29
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited List of integrated schools in Northern Ireland, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Antrim, Crumlin and Ballycastle.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 05:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 45
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 45, May – June 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * Library design improvements continue
 * New partnerships
 * 1Lib1Ref update

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --11:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

August 2021
<div class="user-block" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px"> You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Wikipedia from another source without evidence of permission. Please take this opportunity to ensure that you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. — Diannaa (talk) 19:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC) Another impersonal template! You told me that you are not interested in editing articles on Northern Ireland but you appear to be interested in stopping me doing the difficult task. As you have encyclopedic knowledge of Copyright matters I would be interested to know where you perceive I have crossed the line. I have spent 8 hours carefully recasting facts in my own words- carefully cross checking the three definite source text with lesser ones- and at the same time ensuring that I don't confuse by using UKEnglish terms with NI- English. As I pointed out two weeks ago, all that is required to affect a change is a comment on a talk page- that is the cooperative model we encourage on Wikipedia. The simplest way forward is for you to restore the text (of which I have no copy) or to c&p it across to a sub-page here with the changes you wish to see. As a active Schools coordinator I prefer to get on with the editing rather than get involved with Wikilawyering. cc:    ClemRutter (talk) 20:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Source document:


 * Your addition:


 * Overlapping prose is highlighted in bold.— Diannaa (talk) 23:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, . Now we getting somewhere. We are talking about the contents of a list. In my opinion that is an acceptable paraphrase, and simplification of fact. I think you will find the quoted list is quoted from a primary government source. Firstly, do a visual check-do they even look vaguely similar? Look at them in context- does the shortened ennumerated list do exactly the same job as the longer text in the source. I think not. The list is ennumerated unlike on the source. Each item on the list is a simplification of the source and shorter, so the authors creative effort was not violated- the copyvio concern. Now looking at this very short piece of text, I can see how it falsely triggered an automated tool, looking again I saw a huge number of technical terms have been bolded.

I agree that the last line could be dodgy- it passed me as I have heard those same words so many times at union meetings - it didn't register! But that is what we have a talk page for. So have you any further suggestions of the changes that should be made.ClemRutter (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Your addition presents the same ideas in the same order, and other than the omitted words, you use almost identical wording. It doesn't matter that the content was presented as a list; it's not a simple alphabetical or chronological list with no creative content. There's enough creative expression in the source document to enjoy copyright protection, and the source paper is marked as copyright. Therefore the edit is a violation of our copyright policy.— Diannaa (talk) 13:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I will be offline for a couple of days- and hope to get full use of my wrist next Thursday- sorry if the conversation is a bit disjointed today.


 * You have made our working definition very clear I am happy to adopt it. You can see the rational I was using. So delete all and get the point over by a full article restructure. We need to make your copyright advice more prominent on the WP:WPSCH/AG page: that can wait until next week. ClemRutter (talk) 23:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Just to note that the above ping didn't work, so re-pinging. Wishing you a speedy recovery Clem, will be watching this conversation when it restarts. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

My advice
I'm sorry to see this happen, Clem. Wikipedia has likely lost a valuable contributor. The best way to tell whether your content creation is too closely paraphrased is when nobody would be able to tell where you got your information from if they do not look at your references. In my opinion, you should offer to use information from multiple sources for every paragraph you write if you want to get unblocked. Scorpions13256 (talk) 23:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed, seconded. You've been on Wikipedia for a large number of years, Clem, and you know how copyright policy works. If you need the source copied and pasted in order to work on it, just do it in Word, on your own machine. If can't reside on Wikipedia even temporarily. Scorpion's advice sounds great too. Use multiple sources. Interpret them in your own words. Then we can move OK from this and get you back here where you belong. All the best &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Clem, I hope your recovery is going well. When writing new content, I usually collect together three or more sources, read what they have to say about the topic I need to cover, and then start preparing the prose without looking at the books until I am ready to check and see if my version is unique enough and okay to add. This can be tricky with authors like Shirer or Beevor who write in a simple direct style like mine! but it can be done. on the SS article, which we brought to GA in 2016. These sample paragraphs took about an hour and a half to prepare and use primarily three books (Weale, Longerich 2012, and Steinbacher). Note the fact that I provided attribution in my edit summary for the material I copied from a different Wikipedia article.So here's a quick overview of the basics. Sorry if some of this sounds condescending, but you do seem to have some gaps in your knowledge of copyright and how it applies to Wikipedia editing, and I want to be sure to cover everything.
 * Don't copy from copyright sources at all. Content has to be written in your own words and not include any wording from the source material (other than things like job titles, names of govt programmes, names of schools, etc). One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. This is a lot easier when you have several sources on which to draw. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. There's some reading material on this topic at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and/or have a look at the material at Paraphrase: Write It in Your Own Words. Check out the links in the menu on the left for some exercises to try. Or study this module aimed at WikiEd students.
 * When copying within Wikipedia, you need to provide attribution, like I did in the edit summary in the sample edit above. There's more on this topic at Copying within Wikipedia.
 * When copying from compatibly licensed sources, like for example many UK Government websites, you also need to provide attribution. where I added attribution as part of the citations for some government documents that are released under the Open Government License. We do have some templates such as  but I find doing it manually works for me.
 * Please be aware that we do have a bot that checks for copyright issues on all additions over a certain size. So take your time, be thorough with your editing. And when in doubt, leave it out.— Diannaa (talk) 01:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * When copying from public domain sources,, please add the template as part of your citation.— Diannaa (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I think you are right. As I stated at the top of the page I work in a wikipedia world where we assume good faith and where we don't use hyperbole to pursue a grudge. I create content and train other to do good legal Wikipedia edits and more recently have been working difficult articles on educational subjects in a difficult areas- meta-articles that explain technical concepts. Obviously I adhere in everyway to policy- I will reiterate that here.
 * If I suspect that an editor thinks I am being unfair I will call in an uninvolved third party to take over and make no further edits on that article and related articles until consensus has been achieved, if I mention an editor on someone elses user page- I ping that editor. That is just basic good manners. I try to read all the policy page/guidelines and essays I quote, not just the lead. For example, Close paraphrasing. There are two sections of interest:Close paraphrasing and Close paraphrasing. Neither of these sections are referred to in the lead and I suspect the search algorithms used by the copyvio searching bots. I get concerned when another editor does not use the Talkpage and and follow the procedures laid out. There is an article with a similar name Close paraphrase that gives an interesting insight into the US law on which this procedure is based that explains concepts such as substantial content. All this is out of my hands now. I will leave it to administrators to sort out, and will be glad to co-operate in any enquiry, they choose to make.--ClemRutter (talk) 07:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for being so welcoming and helpful. I don't choose to write an article out of love of the subject anymore, I write them because they need to be cleaned up or are articles that are vital in order to clean up multiple red-links. We need these articles. Finding the source is often the problem and verifying the notability and reliability of the source - this is often the reason that noone else has written the article.--ClemRutter (talk) 07:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Firstly thanks for good wishes for a speedy recovery- everything is going right with the treatment for the multiple fracture though slower than I had hoped. The effect on motivation is a different matter. It decimated my typing speed. Tone is everything on Wikipedia, and I didn't take your advice notes as patronising or personally as I have been thinking for a long time that we need to a beginners notes section on WP:WPSCH/AG to address four nutty problems- notability, valid references and close paraphrasing and copyright in the context of the schools project.


 * Can you go back in and change your editing example to one on a school based topic rather than a history BLP topic. It very easy to do an edit on a incident that has been discussed multiple times ie multiple opinions- while schools editors are editing facts. Now in England we can find a lot in the TES (before it was put behind a paywall), this will then be taken up by the Guardian suitable modified to become a legitimate close paraphrase and this will then source other reliable journals. Or we are left with one source. I suspect that this is the case in many technical articles.


 * So, addressing the article we are discussing. I wrote a legitimate close paraphrase, you disagreed, so the procedure is you need identify whether the close paraphrase is a such a blatant breach of copyright that WP is in legal danger or whether it is a minor incident.


 * Looking closely at Close paraphrasing, well this is so minor that it is beneath the threshold of concern,(Substantial similarity applies). ( It is about the presentation of list of facts, where only the order is perceived to be the same. You then must explain your concern on the Talk:Northern Ireland Curriculum and notify the user by pinging them or using the  Close paraphrasing template. The text does not need to blanked at this stage, you then try to persuade the contributor to fix the problem, or you can fix it yourself. If the contributor reverts you and hasn't responded to the discussion on the talk personally I see this of evidence of 'blatant' and the text should be moved. The aim is always to preserve as much text as possible and of course WP:AGF. The big problem I have with your editing style is that it omits all these essential stages, deletes text and breaks the history log and no-one within the project can verify your POV. From the one example you have left here- the there is one certain fact, two long-standing prolific editors disagree, and we need far more sets of eyes looking at the text and to establish a consensus.ClemRutter (talk) 07:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)Notes:
 * Your response to my advice shows that you still do not understand how copyright applies to Wikipedia, and that you believe you were incorrectly blocked. That's a misinterpretation on your part; your addition to Northern Ireland Curriculum was a clear-cut violation of the copyright policy on my opinion, and I think anyone who has spent some time working on copyright cleanup would agree. "Summarize in your own words instead of closely paraphrasing" is the advice at the top of the Close paraphrasing supplement page. This is difficult to do when you have only one source to draw from. Regardless, your version should not contain any wording at all from the source documents (other than things like job titles, names of govt programmes, names of schools, etc). Close paraphrasing goes on to say: "Note, however, that closely paraphrasing extensively from a non-free source may be a copyright problem, even if it is difficult to find different means of expression. The more extensively we rely on this exception, the more likely we are to run afoul of compilation protection." If you can't add content while staying within the limits of what our copyright policy allows, you have to leave it out.The aim of copyright clean-up is not to "always to preserve as much text as possible"; it's to have a copyright-compliant version in place at all times. The patrolling admin is not required by policy to post on the talk page or gain consensus for removal of material that is in violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. In fact every Wikipedia page has an edit notice that says "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted." That's how important this policy is.You say "no-one within the project can verify your POV"; that's not true. Any admin on Wikipedia can look at revision-deleted text and examine my work to see if I have made a mistake. If you would like to get a second opinion, the best people to ask are the ones who are experienced in copyright cleanup. I therefore suggest you ping or talk to one of the people listed at Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to investigate copyright matters if you wish to get a second opinion on your edit at Northern Ireland Curriculum that was the trigger that got you blocked, or on any other example(s) of your choosing. — Diannaa (talk) 11:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought at first that the list of points in question was a direct quotation of government policy. If that were the case, it would I think be OK to quote it here, as long as it was properly attributed. However, looking at the source, I think the "five questions" are actually phrased using the language of the writers of the paper, and as such, is right that it is definitely not OK to list them in even a closely paraphrased form. You could summarise the questions in your own words, but that would need to be in a substantially different format. And really, you need to be identifying at least one further source that covers the same material, and build your "own words" summary from a combination of those multiple sources.  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Amakuru, you may already know this, but the copyright status of government works varies from county to country. A few examples: In Canada, government works are copyright and cannot be copied here unaltered. In India, government works are copyright for 50 years from publication date. In Australia and the UK, some but not all are Crown copyright but released under a compatible license, as long as they are properly attributed . Works of the United States government are public domain; they can be copied as long as attribution is given (typically by using the template ). — Diannaa (talk) 13:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ah, thanks for the info, it's useful to know that text from such works can be used when attributed properly. I guess I was alluding more to fair use under WP:NPS, where direct quotes of government policy might be essential for conveying the point being made by the article. Looking at it again, the five bulleted questions would be too much to fit in the "sentence or two" stipulation though. I see a similar case in which the "Ten Commandments for Dogs" were removed from their article. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:31, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I would describe that as a violation of our non-free content policy rather than a copyright violation. — Diannaa (talk) 18:46, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 07:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 11:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Royd Mill, Oldham 0007.png
Thank you for uploading File:Royd Mill, Oldham 0007.png. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator seven days after the file was tagged in accordance with section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 18:55, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

If you have any comments or questions about this image, please post them here instead of at the pages mentioned in the template. Thanks,— Diannaa (talk) 20:13, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for drawing this to my attention. Of course the images of the same mill but they are not remotely similar. In simple terms the 1983 is a crop showing only the short side of the mill. It fails to illustrate the long side or the range of ancillary buildings to the right which would be the boiler house and the engine house. The 1983 image is of a higher quality but less informative and significantly after 1961 when the mill went electric, and the boilers and the mill engine were no longer used. This image was bot processed in 2017 to lower its resolution. I vaguely recollect the 1983 image being put in the infobox and considering reverting it but concluded that the 83 did illustrate the flavour of the article and the 51 image could safely be moved to a more technical section. We cannot visit it as it has been demolished we know it was built in 1907 and had 3 Tetlow boilers, I can't identify from the image fully, but the placement of the smoking chimney does suggest the ancillary buildings were to do with the engines and boilers- maybe one day a better image will appear!  The article was rated as a Start but with hindsight it could be upgraded. ClemRutter (talk) 12:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * sorry to be a downer Clem, but I don't think having a second non-free image of the same mill when there's already a free one in the article qualifies as fair use, even if it does show some different features of the building. WP:NFCC #8 says that "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". The boiler house etc. aren't IMHO important enough to satisfy that clause (and also aren't discussed in the article anyway at present). This article would not be significantly diminished without the second pic. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Amakuru, you use the tps tag- can I say you are most welcome. I would have welcomed your opinion all those years back when I was writing this series of articles. Generally it was the later mills that were most impressive and parts of which survived longest. This will go down to matters of opinion. My interest is not to write a pretty, pretty tourist guide- my interest at the time was to accurately describe the architecture, and workings of these historically important buildings."Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". To my mind, the 1951 image is a great find as it illustrates most of the aspects of the mill, the later image is not a replacement as it only shows one elevation. There is no indication of boiler placement or engine house which were of course redundant or had been demolished in the later image. To me that is significant but I understand that you may not. Checking for this response I found this 2013 post with a nice series of copyrighted photos.Derelict Mills But there is no image of the boiler house or the long gone engine. Now the exciting bit- I found a further photo of the later mill at Photo of Royd mill from Heron Close. Look down the description page and it appears that Chris is interested in selling a physical print- but licenses the artifact under CC-BY-SA 2.0. There are other copyright statements so I think we need s opinion on this. Even so the 1951 image does increase readers' understanding, but the case would be harder to prove.ClemRutter (talk) 11:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is the image at Geograph. I have uploaded it to the Commons as an example of how I would name the files, how to format the license template, coordinates template, etc. File:Royd Mill, Oldham, by Chris Allen.jpg. Amazingly enough Chris Allen has uploaded 23,034 images to Geograph and it looks like they are all released under a CC-BY-SA 2.0. You are not blocked at the Commons, so you could work on selecting and uploading some of these if your wrist is healed enough! — Diannaa (talk) 13:19, 24 August 2021 (UTC) P.S. Don't use the coordinates from Geograph – this one had incorrect coords and I bet others do as well.— Diannaa (talk) 13:25, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have copied your remarks to the file talk page.— Diannaa (talk) 13:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent. I don't think that alters my comment above but it does open a new can of worms. I had uploaded many of Chris's first batch of mills in the 2000 - the image in infobox was one of my uploads! I missed the later ones he added- including the one of three Tetlow boilers. Thanks for infinitely better image- it has been tagged already to say we already did have it. Your comments on Chris's co-ordinates seems apposite.


 * I haven't actively done any work on mills for years now. It had become a labour of love but I was not getting much interaction with other editors so I broadened out, recently trying to sort out WPschools. But a thought comes to mind- are these images fair use or now permitted under copyright- they are photos by unknown photographers in a book published by a defunct company in or before 1951 (best guess 1950). I uploaded them to commons in 2007/2008 ish and then, when they were rejected, again as fairuse to English WP- 13 years can make a big difference in copyright law. So, is that a valid argument? If so what copyright tag do we need. That would mean we could do a re-scan at a higher resolution- I have the book. ClemRutter (talk) 18:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The place to start when looking at copyright terms is the Hirtle chart. For us to make a definitive assessment as to whether or not any particular photo is in the public domain, several questions need definitive answers. Here are some of the things we would need to know:
 * Has the photo ever been published? If so, in what country? What year was it first published? What year was the photo taken?
 * Do we know who the author/photographer is? Are they dead or alive? What year did they die?
 * Most books will have a photo credits section that gives details on who took each photo and when, but determining whether the author is alive or dead will only be possible with well-known people that we can track down online. If you don't know the answers to these questions, you should not upload the photo to the Commons. For more information on copyright laws in various countries, a good starting point is Commons:Copyright rules by territory. If you have any doubt at all about the copyright status of an image, don't upload it.— Diannaa (talk) 19:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Manor Mill, Chadderton 0005.png
Thank you for uploading File:Manor Mill, Chadderton 0005.png. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator seven days after the file was tagged in accordance with section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

As before, please post any comments here, and I will copy them to the file's talk page for the reviewing administrator's attention. Thanks.— Diannaa (talk) 18:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You have found a difficult one here, one I find marginal now. The problem is that we have here a baseline image (1951) that displays the mill in its entirety though low res, Chris Allen has donated many shots of this mill but none of all of the mill. Now we have the same problem with its sister mill Kent Mill, Chadderton. I want an image that shows two elevations but also the rope race and boiler and engine house and chimney- when the mill goes electric then the form changes. The rules: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". Significantly is very subjective. With technical eyes- this passes the test-  as does Kent, but if you are illustrating a tourist leaflet it wouldn't. I would tweak the text to make the significance more obvious. Can you pass on my comments. ClemRutter (talk) 12:17, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Copied to file talk page.— Diannaa (talk) 13:32, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy notice
Hello Clem. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI where you have been mentioned: Administrators' noticeboard. If you wish to make any comments at that location, please post here, and I will copy your remarks over for you. — Diannaa (talk) 20:38, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I will look a little later.--ClemRutter (talk) 06:43, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To be copied: Thanks.
 * I know this is a discussion about User:Mike Peel but I see my name is mentioned here, and today was the first time that I received a courtesy notice. Thanks Diannaa. So I will make a few comments about the process. It may help if you watch my talk page and familiarise yourselves with WP:Close paraphrasing particularly WP:Close paraphrasing and WP:Close paraphrasing. This is an essay, not a guideline and I would like to see it worked up to guideline. Most of the discussion is on my User talk:ClemRutter
 * As many of you know I have acted a trainer in the UK, and have written many booklets on the technical side of editing and explained verbal our copyright policies which were particularly important in places like the Wellcome Institute stopping academics c&p-ing their own articles which were published so subject to the publishers copyright. Yes, copyright is subtle- and one can always learn more.Tip: stalk(talk) . I am not an admin: I joined WP to concentrate on content rather than compete and get involved in disputes such as this- I did all of that in my previous life. I can do without the extra Admin tools and all the extra responsibilities. The one tool I could have done with- was the ability to see the text under discussion when it has been removed by a patrolling admin!


 * I agreed to act as a coordinator on the WP:WPSCHOOLS- I was invited by User:Kudpung who no longer contributes the EN:WP.There is a big question mark there.
 * Under discussion:Talk:Northern Ireland Curriculum Talk:Integrated education Talk:Thinking School
 * The dispute is about:
 * Basic Wikpedia stuff: pillars and WP:AGF. We work through cooperation not conflict- tone is everything. Try to fix first. Hyperbola in discussions does't help.
 * Basic editing protocols and using the Talk Page before you escalate an incident. Please read the talk pages of the articles under discussion. There are other protocols- but following the links and you quickly enter confrontational language.
 * WP:Close paraphrasing This appears to be highly subjective at the moment and I think we have concensus on Liberal Arts topics- Histories, Biographies, some aspects of geography but when we approach technical articles on educational policy, curricular theory there is a lot of work to do. Trite answers and slogans lead to bad articles. IMHO In an article that is being actively edited close paraphrase is a better template as it draws other editors into the discussion and leads to better articles- and is less time-consuming than an appearance on WP:ANI.


 * There are some interesting thoughts on maintaining editor numbers on Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates/CandidateQ&A particularly question 1. A lot of work to do. We must solve this by squaring the circle- luckily my memory has deteriorated so much that I can't bear a grudge. ClemRutter (talk) 15:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have copied the post to the discussion at WP:AN. Sorry for the delay – I was at work.Your post contains errors and misinformation:
 * You were notified of the discussion at WP:AN about an hour and a half after the initial post (not two days later as you suggest).
 * Copyright policy is not decided at the wikiproject level; it's a site-wide policy that is detailed at Copyrights. The same level of compliance is mandatory for all editors, regardless of the topic the article. Decisions made at the wikiproject level cannot trump the copyright policy. Details provided in an essay or guideline do not trump the copyright policy.
 * The patrolling admin is not required to fix copyright violations. The patrolling admin is not required to discuss on the talk page before removing violations.
 * None of the editors and administrators who commented at AN were of the opinion that you were incorrectly blocked. You characterise our interaction as a "dispute", which it is not. It is a Wikipedia administrator blocking a person who has violated our copyright policy. The block was placed to eliminate the chance of further damage to the encyclopedia. Unless and until you understand that absolutely no copying from your sources is allowed (subject to certain exemptions, of which I have informed you already more than once) you will not be able to resume editing. — Diannaa (talk) 21:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Offer
Hi Clem. I don't know whether you remember me, but we were both on a wiki-meetup on Zoom last summer. We talked about a few different things, mostly about photographs if I remember correctly. I remember being really impressed with your enthusiasm for us having articles (and images to illustrate them) about state schools, rather than just independent schools with posh buildings and long lists of notable students. You inspired me, truly.

I'm here because I am certain of your enthusiasm for the project, and of your enormous capacity to make it better; I don't want this block to be the end of the road for such a positive presence. I want to try to help you understand the copyright policy, if I can. I can't pretend to understand it nearly as well as Diannaa does, and I'm wary of offering to teach someone like yourself to suck eggs and thereby appear presumptuous, but I thought it was better to do something than to watch from the sidelines.

What Diannaa says above is correct. The example above under the 'August 2021' header is indefensible - it's identical to the source, with a few of the words removed. That's not an acceptable paraphrase, it's a blatant copyright violation, of the sort that will always be removed on-sight. You have been suggesting that people ought to flag things like that, and discuss it with the author to see whether it can be edited and improved; have you considered the additional burden that would impose on the people who work on copyvio patrolling? There is a backlog of tens of thousands of cases that need investigating, and the backlog is always growing. To say that investigators need to stop and discuss obvious violations one-by-one before doing anything about them is effectively saying that we just stop caring about violations - given how long it would take, and how few people we have who are interested in dealing with copyvios, it would be entirely impossible to even hope to stay on top things.

The right approach to take when writing articles is to make your best efforts not to use any of the text from any of the sources - write it all in your own words. Sometimes, you find it impossible to be completely original - there are only so many ways of saying that a building was built in a particular year, or in such-and-such a style. So, you might use a particular phrase that appears in the sources, but you limit that to as few words as you can get away with, and ensure that the sentence structure around it is different. You can't get away with 'paraphrasing' whole paragraphs by removing some clauses and leaving everything else intact.

I'd really like to help you get back to editing, if I can. The first step to that, in my view, is for you to accept what Diannaa (who is hands-down our most highly-respected expert when it comes to copyright issues) has been telling you. Please consider what she has said, and whether you can reconcile yourself to it. If you have questions/comments/thoughts, I'd be happy to thrash them out with you, and see whether we can get to a position where you this block can be lifted. Best wishes, truly. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether) 22:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Clem. Likewise; you and I first met at the 2017 International Women's Day Editathon at Newnham College, Cambridge, where I saw your keenness to help and steer new and older editors. I was also highly surprised to see this block and your rather unusual responses for what some newcomers often regard as a small issue, but which I thought every experienced Wikimedians such as yourself knew only too well. I know us older blokes can get stuck in our ways and have our blind spots in life, so if there's anything I can do to offer feedback, just reach out, or email me. I'm afraid I completely see and agree with Diannaa's points and, whilst it adds a little time to rewrite content in one's own words to avoid close paraphrasing, it really is an essential skill to have. Copy vios and close paraphrasing are never disputes - they're simply breaches of core policy, wherever they occur. So, once you recover from your real life injuries, if there's anything I can do to help, feel free to ask for assistance. At a practical level, simply supply a url to a few paragraphs you're stuck on, and  I'd be happy to offer alternative suggestions to help you get back on track with content creation that doesn't breach those policies. This really is such an important area to get to grips with, and such a small and easy thing to resolve, that I'm only too happy to offer any support I can. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Clem. What have you done to get yourself in this mess? Your coordship is going to be sorely missed at WP:SCHOOLS; it's down now to just two largely inactive coords and no one for the UK. Although I retired from Wikipedia early last years and certainly don't have any designs on doing any divaesque comebacks to en.Wiki if I can help it, I feel kinda obliged to come back and do something about schools and I sincerely hope you'll be able to get back to editing soon. Unfortunately the new trend on WP is to thrash about with blocks and desysopings of the most valuable contributors. In the meantime I've removed your name from the coords template because it didn't look too good struck through as 'blocked'.  I fell nearly 2 years ago and had multiple fractures to the old and fragile carpus and radius  of my left wrist. It will never heal again properly but I'm back to playing the piano - gently. Best, Chris. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:22, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (, FWIW, I would delighted to see you return to active editing, even if you decided to restrict yourself to WP:SCHOOLS. You are missed, as is Clem. Best wishes (in the actual 'I really mean that' sort of sense, rather than the 'I can't think of another way of signing off a post' sort of sense. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)  00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC))
 * No chance of that, I'm afraid, . I'm firmly in my twilight  years and I  have no time for the pompous, power hungry teenagers and 'average age'  Wikipedians who  are hell bent  on scaling  the greasy  pole to  the dizzy  heights of adminship  or arbcom after having  been around for only  5 minutes and don't  know how to  write a decent article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , Great to see your name here. S Philbrick  (Talk)  23:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 00:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Harris Academy Ockendon.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Harris Academy Ockendon.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 21:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 46
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 46, July – August 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * Library design improvements deployed
 * New collections available in English and German
 * Wikimania presentation

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --11:14, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Regent Mill, Failsworth 0007.png
Thanks for uploading File:Regent Mill, Failsworth 0007.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Trencherfield Mill, Wigan 0019.png
Thanks for uploading File:Trencherfield Mill, Wigan 0019.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 22:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has changed
Wikipedia: The project where one worked cooperatively to build an encyclopedia, trusted your colleagues and assumed good faith is dead. I joined this project 18 years ago, to add content and have no interest in internal squabbles; we made mistakes and on seeing one would correct it or if it was contentious we would discuss it on the talk page. The word was always we. We did our upmost to respect another editors work and improve the text they had added. We became more skilled and more precise in our sourcing and referencing. We became adept at interpreting copyright issues- and what cannot be copyrighted.

It was an enjoyable activity for all ages: there were tasks that everyone could do whether it was documenting popular culture, adding photographs, building a great reference book that reflected current research, formatting lists, adding svgs or simply building a gazeteer. It is no longer so.

Some of us took it a lot further, acting as trainers for organisations like the Wellcome Institute, in universities and to develop Wikipedia projects such as Women in Red. We explained basic editing, referencing and Wikipedia policies. We tailored our work to our audience realising that some of our students were experts in their fields.

Some of us helped coordinate projects, doing a lot of correcting and helping other users prove notability, generally cleaning up articles, rewriting them, searching for sources and checking copyright- where there was a problem we would attempt to fix it, or comment it out and discuss it on the talkpage. In fact doing the sort of work described in Addressing close paraphrasing There was a lot of destubbing and a lot of use of the talkpage. Coordinators end up trying to save the most difficult articles and writing articles to fill holes Wikipedia content. This could be challenging but with it came the buzz of helping others and cooperating with skilled colleagues. Wikipedia has changed and has become an exercise in ‘office’ politics. I left that and generally managing people and pupils when I retired.

Wikipedia in its present state is not sustainable, I will be doing no further editting until the culture is reverted. I will be around at social events and available to help again when a serious attempt has been made to reestablish Wikipedia values. I can be contacted through email and social media.

I will no longer be contributing 6000 posts a year. I will no longer be investigating whether our text preceded other published sources. I will no longer be evaluating whether a phrase is a technical term within that subject area thus exempt from copyright protection, or whether an author has taken an established list of copyright exempt terms and close paraphrased them adding creative content that must be removed, and how much in order to clear copyright.

I have been asked by friends and family if it is possible to stop completely when Wikipedia has been a major part of your life for over 15 years. I have tried it for a month now and the answer is surprising easy- yes, but the Wikipedia I knew no longer exists. It is more a case the Wikipedia has walked away from us. ClemRutter (talk) 11:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry
Clem, we met about six years ago at Clitheroe Castle, a GLAM event I believe you organised (and half of the WP events I've ever attended). It was around the time was caught in the blackhole of run-ins with the wikilaw that ended as it did. I remember telling someone that his experience had taught me to never be an admin, and now your name will be added for the next person I say that too. It is horrible to loose an editor of your vast experience, and I've been trying for days to think of some way to stop this. I just don't have the words. I don't have sufficient knowledge of the copyright polices to know who was right. I'm very much still at the 'make it mean what the source says, not say what the source says' level, which would hardly be useful advice for you. While it seems outrageous to indef an editor in good standing, apparently for misunderstanding policy, the copyright policies are of such core importance. Our seemingly most powerful admin, armed with the 'protecting the encyclopedia' grenade, is very much not to be tangled with. This obviously could have been handled better but it seems that everyone is just too busy these days. I very much hope that you will able to return in the future and I will certainly miss seeing you around here. All the best with whatever you choose to do in the meantime and thank you so, so much for your vast efforts for the project. TiB chat  18:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 22:32, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Harrop Fold School.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Harrop Fold School.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Removal of post
Hello Clem. I have removed your recent post. Soliciting people to edit on your behalf while you are blocked is not allowed, and people are not allowed to proxy edit forthink you while you are blocked. Sorry.— Diannaa (talk) 13:52, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you need to start giving some sources for some of your POVs which may, in this case, be correct. I note also you removed a sub-page here citing Copyright worries- but Copyright does not apply outside main space unless you have a source to say other wise. Indeed it in not applicable. We also have a rule about not disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point.


 * Subtly hidden in the post, that you think you have a right to remove,- was a reminder that Copyright only applies to creative content not facts, copyright does not apply to technical terms or situations where is no other reasonable way to write a piece of prose. If there is any dispute you take it to the talk page and discuss it or best still you execute a fix. That is the way we work on wikipedia. Round London we meet up face to face, and more recently in Zoom calls to help each other out- lookup London meetup and join us so we can cooperate.


 * Go back to the file I mentioned on Duke Street Mill- to me the copyright breach needs reporting- if you live in the town, the site is directly opposite the library, so easy to investigate. I don't but I also have been blocked. Part of the problem with coordination of mills is often the standard recent source has cut and pasted details from pre 1926 text which is not copyrightable! The text of the simplistic interpretation of copyright you sent is good as a handout for newbies but you do have to explain to them that in many cases it will not apply.


 * Moving over to schools, particularly in Northern Ireland a lot of them are stubs, and you need to start with a word accurate description- that will have to be checked with the school website and their prospectus- if the two are the same those are the words you must use. Facts-technical terms- no alternative description. If you are destubbing, you then need to add a range of sections. There may been a rune saying all later edits must be blanked but first you need to explain your intention in detail on the talk page as you must not disrupt WP to prove a point. So how do you proceed in cases like this. Ctrl X the offending text- Replace text with XXXX is a school in County XXXX and save. Go to talk page, new section ==Disputed text== and Ctrl -V and save. There is now no copyvio on the article- check each of the other paragraphs- check they are correctly sourced and save. Get another editor to help you and check out the disputed text and correct it. Save. Now back to the main space and replace your holding sentence.


 * You will find a lot of what I have said applies across all technical articles- and the use of the talk page is key. ClemRutter (talk) 17:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not so subtly hidden in that post were blatant personal attacks; that's the kind of thing that leads to revocation of talk page access. All the best! ——  Serial  17:12, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting involved. You are right it could have been seen that way. I did check up and apart from here I do not have talk page access. Please keep watching. ClemRutter (talk) 19:26, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Clem, I need to clear up some of the incorrect information in your post: All Wikipedia pages are subject to the same copyright policy. Each and every page whether main space, Wikipedia space, talk pages, sandboxes and drafts, all have the same edit notice: "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted." Our copyright policy does not require the patrolling admin to use the talk page or discuss. Copyright violations are subject to immediate removal and revision deletion.If you notice image copyright violations, the vast majority of our images are on the Commons, and you are not blocked on that wiki, so please feel free to report the issue there. — Diannaa (talk) 17:25, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the sources you using- I note it says" Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted." not whole pages that contain a copyvio. I know that makes for more work for a patrolling admin, but it more informative and save everyones' time in the long run. I mentioned a specific image that is tagged do not upload onto commons (one of the rare ones) I can't see how talking about it on commons would help, if I had sufficient access I would have reported it on your talk page as you are the copyright expert for things like this. I think the conversation will continue because WP does need to discuss the role of the patrolling admin when interacting with a project coordinator. ClemRutter (talk) 19:44, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The removal of the post seems appropriate - Clem, you can't make posts like that, it's both a personal attack and an attempt at block evasion. You need to either solve the problem here so you can edit the articles again, or address these issues on Commons. You're working yourself more into a hole here, please take a step back and better engage with Diannaa and all. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mike, all suggestions gratefully received. I am not aware of any issues on Commons where I continue to upload images. The issues over there are technical at PHP level but are being worked on. I think I have described the copyright issues I have here with non-copyrightable facts and technical terms that are flagged up as copyvios- issues that as a project coordinator I was already attempting to address. I can't give specific examples as the text has been zapped. Above I have explained the en only image to Diannaa and await a response ClemRutter (talk) 20:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 47
<div style = "color: #936c29; font-size: 4em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif"> The Wikipedia Library <span style="font-size: 2em; font-family: Copperplate, 'Copperplate Gothic Light', serif">Books & Bytes

Issue 47, September – October 2021 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * On-wiki Wikipedia Library notification rolling out
 * Search tool deployed
 * New My Library design improvements

Read the full newsletter Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --16:58, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 06:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 11:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Joseph Leckie Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Joseph Leckie Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use low res 50% crop.png Linda Nyland photo of Thomas J. Price and.png with &#39;reaching out&#39; sculpture.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use low res 50% crop.png Linda Nyland photo of Thomas J. Price and.png with &. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 03:29, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 10:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2021
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 16:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:UTC (school) fair use logos has been nominated for renaming
Category:UTC (school) fair use logos has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Category:Fair use school logos has been nominated for renaming
Category:Fair use school logos has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 18:30, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Cromer Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Cromer Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 16:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 08:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use image Blue Mermaid.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use image Blue Mermaid.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:23, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 04:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Phoenix Academy, Shepherd&#39;s Bush.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Phoenix Academy, Shepherd&. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I am not in a position to respond in person- as I am currently blocked at English wp. Wikipedia is about incremental improvements- it is good news that an alternative has been found. ClemRutter (talk) 15:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Editing newsletter 2022 – #1
Read this in another language • Subscription list for the multilingual newsletter • Local subscription list



The New topic tool helps editors create new ==Sections== on discussion pages. New editors are more successful with this new tool. You can read the report. Soon, the Editing team will offer this to all editors at most WMF-hosted wikis. You can join the discussion about this tool for the English Wikipedia is at Village pump (proposals). You will be able to turn it off in the tool or at Special:Preferences.

The Editing team plans to change the appearance of talk pages. These are separate from the changes made by the Desktop improvements project and will appear in both Vector 2010 and Vector 2022. The goal is to add some information and make discussions look visibly different from encyclopedia articles. You can see some ideas at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project.

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

23:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo St Andrew&#39;s and St Bride&#39;s High School.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo St Andrew&. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:12, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

I am not in a position to reply in person being currently blocked. I see this image on St Andrew's and St Bride's High School
 * Hi Clem. I already fixed this on the 12th. Someone had vandalized the page. — Diannaa (talk) 01:35, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. ClemRutter (talk) 18:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 14:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Harold and Fred (They Make Ladies Dead)
Hi Clem. Thanks for your email. I think that article is now sorted. I was surprised to see that you have been blocked indefinitely since last August. I thought I had not seen you around for a while. Whatever you've done, I'd be very surprised if you really deserved an indef block. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Maidstone mum


The article Maidstone mum has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "No evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources"

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. ITBF (talk) 15:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 03:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 01:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Editing news 2022 #2
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this multilingual newsletter



The new [] button notifies people when someone replies to their comments. It helps newcomers get answers to their questions. People reply sooner. You can read the report. The Editing team is turning this tool on for everyone. You will be able to turn it off in your preferences.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)) 00:35, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 15:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Buckinghamshire University Technical College.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Buckinghamshire University Technical College.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Houghton Regis Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Houghton Regis Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 22:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Silverstone University Technical College.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Silverstone University Technical College.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:10, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Clem, I have fixed this. — Diannaa (talk) 02:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. ClemRutter (talk) 08:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 17:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Sittingbourne Community College.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Sittingbourne Community College.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Clem. This has been fixed. Somebody removed the logo — Diannaa (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 04:14, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2022
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 12:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Oak National Academy.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Oak National Academy.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:13, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: January 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 20:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:Fair use logo Bennett Memorial Diocesan School.png


The file File:Fair use logo Bennett Memorial Diocesan School.png has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Unused, superseded by File:Arms of Bennett Memorial Diocesan School.svg."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the file's talk page.

Please consider addressing the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and files for discussion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 10:49, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Bennett Memorial Diocesan School.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Bennett Memorial Diocesan School.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:12, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Editing news 2023 #1
Read this in another language • Subscription list for this newsletter

This newsletter includes two key updates about the Editing team's work:


 * 1) The Editing team will finish adding new features to the Talk pages project and deploy it.
 * 2) They are beginning a new project, Edit check.

Talk pages project

The Editing team is nearly finished with this first phase of the Talk pages project. Nearly all new features are available now in the Beta Feature for.

It will show information about how active a discussion is, such as the date of the most recent comment. There will soon be a new "" button. You will be able to turn them off at Special:Preferences. Please tell them what you think.



An A/B test for on the mobile site has finished. Editors were more successful with. The Editing team is enabling these features for all editors on the mobile site.

New Project: Edit Check

The Editing team is beginning a project to help new editors of Wikipedia. It will help people identify some problems before they click "". The first tool will encourage people to add references when they add new content. Please watch that page for more information. You can join a conference call on 3 March 2023 to learn more.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: February 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 06:19, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 23:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 22:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Condenser spinning flowchart
Template:Condenser spinning flowchart has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Izno (talk) 18:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Anderson, Forster and Wilcox for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Anderson, Forster and Wilcox is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Anderson, Forster and Wilcox until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Shinadamina (talk) 23:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I have been blocked from editing for some time though I am still very active in the London Wikimedia group. This article is a valid stub with 2 wiki links and a valid . The buildings in their time were influential, though the Mirror building was too small scale to survive on that location beyond 1963. The practice illustrates the rebulding efforts made after the Second World War. Reference material does exist on line but to bring this up to an FA would take physically search the RIBA archives, the Major of Londons archives and probably the Museum of London, but I would start at the British Library in St Pancras. Wikipedia becomes less and less useful if is principal aim is to remove useful stubs with out understanding what they can become.ClemRutter (talk) 14:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I worked in the Daily Mirror building for a while. The site is quite close to Penderel's Oak so we should make a tour of the area at a future London Wikimeet. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've had a look but not found much in the way of sources. By the way, please don't copy sources like https://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=204863 onto your talk page, it's not helpful to getting you unblocked. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I think we are down to physical sources here, the topic I feel is interesting enough to explore. Along with that the conversation moves onto brick and clay used in reconstruction and availability, and their limiting properties, in the forties and fifties. Your decisions- I can only suggest. ClemRutter (talk) 12:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I checked my copy of The London Encyclopedia and the architects are briefly mentioned in the contest of the Mirror building, but that's it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 00:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Stott family of Oldham
Template:Stott family of Oldham has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Izno (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * There is potential for adding this to other existing pages, and pages still to be written. I support harmonising the format with other templates, but I think that finding it was impossible without losing information that prompted me to investigate this format. I am not in a position to take this further at the moment! I welcome improvements. ClemRutter (talk) 23:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 07:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Solar Farm articles
Hi Clem, John here. I saw you created the Cleve Hill Solar Farm/Project Fortress article, about the largest solar farm in the UK. I'm thinking about expanding content on other solar farms in the UK, and wonder if it's something you'd like to help me with. Feel free to send me an email - jwslubbock@Gmail.com. Jwslubbock (talk) 07:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Sounds interesting- but I am a little short of time at the moment, and still hobbled by an edit block. I am with you in spirit. I will keep my my ears tuned and feed you anything I hear. ClemRutter (talk) 20:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Cheltenham Bournside School and Sixth Form Centre.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Cheltenham Bournside School and Sixth Form Centre.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 07:15, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo Dyke House Sports and Technology College.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo Dyke House Sports and Technology College.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: August 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 11:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: September 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 15:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: October 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 03:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: November 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 08:39, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Fair use logo The De Montfort School.png
Thanks for uploading File:Fair use logo The De Montfort School.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy New Year, ClemRutter!
<div style="border: 3px solid #FFD700; background-color: #FFFAF0; padding:0.2em 0.4em; height:auto; min-height:173px; border-radius:1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);" class="plainlinks">

Happy New Year! ClemRutter, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:Mill owners in Glossop has been nominated for splitting
Category:Mill owners in Glossop has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:45, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: December 2023
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">About This Month in GLAM · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery · Romaine 05:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Bahn-Linie
Template:Bahn-Linie has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

File:Fair use image Mariusz Stepien.png listed for discussion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Fair use image Mariusz Stepien.png, has been listed at Files for discussion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C">Min☠︎rax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 05:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)