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Training the Trainers
Hi ClemRutter, we're looking to finalise numbers and I just wanted to confirm that you're still interested in attending the event on 23-24th February? Thanks, Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 20:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am free and will be there if there is a place for me. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. As 18 people have registered their interest and there's only space for 12 we're in the process of chasing up who can come and who would need accommodation (arranged by Wikimedia UK). Would you need accommodation? Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 12:39, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I will/would be coming in by train from Glossop.--ClemRutter (talk) 15:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The details of the venue are now on the UK wiki. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 13:59, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


 * We've finalised the list of attendees and you're amongst the 12. See you there! Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 11:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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re:Steam engine
I don't know where to begin with your cavalier revert: heat is NOT a useful output of a steam engine; the work that is done by a steam engine is force times distance or torque times angular rotation. The work done isn't necessarily dissipated at all, it can cause a weight to rise, or it can pump water for example.

And the working fluid in a steam engine; the fluid that does the work; pushes the piston is steam, not water!

There are so many things wrong with your revert. If you think this requires 'expert' knowledge then you very probably shouldn't be editing the article, or at least not that bit of the article.Teapeat (talk) 22:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, not to explain further on your talk page- but real life intervened. My reference is Hills p167 et seq the chapter 9, 'The new theory of heat', and I find his description less than clear. The other reference is our Rankine Cycle. My degree is not in thermodynamics- a topic I barely touched. The text I wrote, that you rightfully ce'ed needs to be changed- but I found problems with your edit.
 * We are not describing the steam engine in this sentence but the subject is the Rankine Cycle, and this distinction is crucial to the text.
 * the ' flow of ... heat in an engine' sounds a little too much like 'calorific'
 * that the mathematical model in this case describes the process rather than the more cautious illustrates (I may be over cautious here)
 * your prose is fantastic, please have a look at all my contributions I am sure you could improve most of them stylistically but my worry is that some of the meaning is lost in the process.


 * Now to touch your comments
 * heat is NOT a useful output of a steam engine-- but it is one of the two outputs on the rankine model the other being work, we are talking of a closed system.
 * steam is water- the gaseous state of water- the cycle includes the condensation phase where gas becomes liquid
 * dissipated: maybe the wrong word, useful work is outside the closed loop- so must be considered as lost to the cycle (all be it the purpose of a steam engine it is a loss to Rankine)
 * There are so many things wrong with your revert... you very probably shouldn't be editing the article. Strange but I do agree on that-- I waited a long time for someone else to create the material-- then waited a little longer-- but there weren't any takers. So if you would like to consider the points above and see how you need to modify your edit, we can get it right.


 * I don't consider myself to be an expert but I have been formally trained in thermodynamics, but I don't believe in credentialism in Wikipedia, and this was quite a while ago. I've also designed cooling systems, which was also a while ago. And while I'm rusty, I'm not that rusty. What I'm saying is not that I'm right, but I may be more likely to be right!


 * OK, in this section we are describing both steam engines (in a slightly simplified sense) as well as the Rankine cycle. If we weren't referring to steam engines then it wouldn't and shouldn't be in the article.


 * Heat engines aren't usually analysed as closed systems, the heat source and cold sink are considered at the edge of the system, as is the mechanical output, and that's how the Rankine system is analysed- that's why there are arrows leading into and out of the cycle in the image, it's because it's not considered as a thermally closed cycle- although the fluid is closed cycle. (If it was a closed system, it would eventually grind to a halt because the hot source and cold sink would eventually be the same temperature, also you would have to model the thing that was being driven in the system- this is sometimes done, but it isn't being done in the diagram).


 * Even though nothing mechanically moves with the heat (there's no such thing as caloric!) Still, in thermodynamics heat usually is considered and said to flow, I draw your attention to Thermal conduction; heat flows from hot bodies to colder bodies, down thermal gradients, and since thermal gradients are easy to measure (you measure the temperatures at different places with a thermometer) it is unproblematic to do this. The physical mechanism at bottom is diffusion of heat, when something is hotter than something else more energy flows/diffuses down the gradient than up the gradient and you can calculate the net power flow in watts. Also if hot fluid is being pumped then heat is flowing with the fluid even without there being a gradient.


 * As regards he words, 'Illustrates' is subtly the wrong word; it really means to give an example of something, or to add a literal picture to a book, although it can also mean, in an obsolete usage, 'to shed light on', not as in explain, more as in actually physically shining a light on it!


 * 'Dissipate' is definitely the wrong word. In thermodynamics and physics that means turned into heat, work done isn't dissipated.


 * Hope this helps.Teapeat (talk) 05:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thats perfect. Looking at the section as a whole, would it be worth adding some of the comments above to the Steam engine subsection- or as a sfn. I am increasingly aware of the trust many readers are putting in WP. I have listened to some of my wobbly text being read out with authority as a lead to a program on Radio 4. I see this paragraph might be used as the entry point to the topic by some pretty serious guys- and giving them some links (as above) to heat flow and thermodynamics would be a good idea.


 * Moving on, I was up at Queen Street Mill on Thursday and got some stills and movie footage of the Tandem Compound, and its Barring Engine and Corliss valve gear which I am processing at the moment prior to an upload. Watch this space.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 09:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

southern hemisphere sundials
Clem, how are you, it has been a long time! I have spent time in South Sfrica recently and have taken some images for the Sundial article. Can I ask for youe advice; is it easy to load up the geo information (hoping I have it!)with the image. As a note twice I came across dials that were beautifully sited but not set for the area they were in. IOut of all the dials I found only one was "working", which may go some way to explaining the lack of need / interest in these types of "imported" dials. Edmund Patrick – confer 08:17, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I found the Upload wizards to be a pain, so I use Commonist, and the browser applet to locate the position of the camera on Google Maps. I have detailed it at User:ClemRutter/Toolbox. I geotag the camera not the object-- but if the original location can be ascertained I would include details of it in the description. The (alleged) lack of popularity of dials in the southern hemispheres is usually connected to the equation of time- where the wildest variations occur during in the northern winter. (but I don't know).


 * I made a suggestion to my local community in 2009 that we place a allemmatic dial in a local hill top park. This week I got confirmation that funding had been found and the project will go ahead. There followed some rapid emails to ensure the contractors had my notes- and would set it right. We seem to be there.


 * Looking forward to seeing your backward images. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 13:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * I was trying not to frighten the horses, I wanted to establish and populate the section then allow the change to happen in a couple of months time.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 12:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Clem,

You wrote "Weavers' cottage is the place to look, particularly the references and Timmins in particular. A big topic, as you have flax, silk and wool and woollen with individual histories, vernacular traditions dependent on stone or wood- guilds, immigration, womens issues, technology." Thank you for your message and your advice. I am simply not capable of expanding the Weavers' cottage and Weavers' windows articles beyond what they are. I hope you can do much better than I can.

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Please could I use your picture of the defenses in the chatham dockyard page in my new book?
I've written a book and want to use your picture fro the chatham dockyard page. Would it be possible?(this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ChathamDefences_1770(2).svg) I'll note you as a contibutor? I'd be very grateful(you'd get a free copy emailed to you should you wish to check) Kind regards Wearysoul § — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wearysoul (talk • contribs) 06:32, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure. I regard it as a compliment. Are there are any simple changes you would like me to do. You can contact me directly by going to this page (email a user) -- Clem Rutter (talk) 09:11, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

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and see if you can resolve them? Cheers, Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am working through the issues- though would appreciate other editors to get involved. I don't wish to fall into WP:OWN. I will comment on both template talk pages Sunday night. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 22:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Now that you've created the template, I assume that this is no longer needed? If you like, I can merge the histories of the pages, or I can delete the article space one outright? J Milburn (talk) 21:20, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I was hanging on to it in case the Template solution was opposed or reverted. It seems to have been accepted now so I would be grateful if you merged the histories- it seems the correct thing to do.-- Clem Rutter (talk) 21:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. J Milburn (talk) 18:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * Ouch it is awful, but I have limited internet access (8km - four afternoons a week) - see Le Truel in the Raspes de Tarn, contructing a straw bale house. Have you source material- I will see if I have anything extra on the hard drive. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)bb

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Hi Clem, I've uncommented the couple of paras that were hiding in this article since you first uploaded it two years ago. They're as well-sourced as anything else there and they explain the mystery of Rocket's missing thirty years quite nicely – I'd always wondered about those! Andy Dingley (talk) 10:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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Found this through work related research, the first case I know of a sundial http://www.livescience.com/40227-bronze-age-sundial-grave.html being buried with a sacrificial victim, what did he do to upset time or its passage so much. Hope you find it interesting? Edmund Patrick – confer 05:40, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013
VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, " ".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Manchester meetup
Newsflash! The location of this weekend's Manchester meetup has been moved back to Wetherspoons on Princess Street - the Ducie Arms isn't open on Sundays! Can you believe that?! Bazonka (talk) 18:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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A Thousand Pardons
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VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:


 * Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed.  The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
 * Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
 * Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
 * File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
 * Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
 * Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
 * Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
 * Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through   and   both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
 * Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
 * Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
 * Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
 * Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and Mediawiki.org. It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
 * Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
 * Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
 * Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
 * Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ( set to true) (bug 44483).  (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead: If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:04, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
 * Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions.  Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
 * In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done.  Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

Happy Birthday
Ten years ago today (28 Nov 2003) I made my first edit to Wikipedia. Snettisham and the hidden gold-- and now a lot older I have spent the evening with Sundial which attracted me in 2004. Doesn't that entitle me to a gold bar on my bus pass?


 * Congrats on the first ten! Ready for your next decade on Wikipedia? The site will be hitting the big time soon. Nev1 (talk) 22:48, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.
 * Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved.  This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation.  Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings).  If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use Control or Command  (Mac).
 * Auto-numbered external links like can now be edited just like any other link.  However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
 * Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here.  The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified.  If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
 * There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters.  Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
 * Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
 * It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally. To do so, append   to the end of the page name.  For example, change   to   to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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