User talk:ClemRutter/Archives/2008/February

River Medway
I should be pleased if you would look at my thoughts on the article's talk page: I agree with your suggestion about consistency. Peter Shearan (talk) 19:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Just a belated note of thanks for your input on Wormshill which achieved FA while I was on a wikibreak. Cheers Dick G (talk) 23:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Stevepday
Clem - thanks for the message and the welcome, I presume I must've edited one of your articles ? I'm both a newbie and an infrequent but pedantic user/editor in Wikipedia, so apologies if I got something wrong - I really should read the editing conventions. From your talk page it would've been something about the Medway Forts or possibly Frindsbury ? Did you write the original entry on SEEDA btw ? Feel free to let me know or just —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevepday (talk • contribs) 15:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Medway watermills
Have you seen it yet? Mjroots (talk) 23:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

River templates
Peter Shearan has been creating templates for some of the rivers, but is having problems with the co-ordinates. Can you help? Mjroots (talk) 12:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Naturism
(This is in regard to your comment on my user page It's there too but put it here in case you missed it.) Apparently it hasn't caused any problems, other than I think a radiational tidal wave hit a star in Alpha Centauri and made it go nova. Honestly, though, I was basically following the suggestions of you and others. You helped teach me to swim; I just happend to be the one who jumped in! Wakedream (talk) 16:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Congénies
You said: I am reverting back your gallery edits for two reasons: The next edit on English must be to bring across material from French, and the Quaker significance needs to be explained on the French article. ClemRutter (talk) 20:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Galleries do not work with the French Commune infobox, the rendering is destroyed in Firefox 2, Linux Browsers and Opera.
 * 2) Galleries are deprecated and there are bots around that just remove them leaving the tag commonscat.
 * I replied:
 * Apologies. Vernon White  . . . Talk 20:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You responded:
 * Good to get to know you. Did you see the link to the van Etten book- its online and there is a host of material about Congénies and the protestant/inspiré/Quaker history of the Vaunage. Meeting for Worship has resumed at the meeting house, and again visitors are welcome. ClemRutter (talk) 21:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

--- --- Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 23:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) . The Congénies article looks strange in the MS-Explorer browser, with big white areas, at present.
 * 2) . I wasn't aware that Galleries were deprecated and swarms of bots sent out to swat them. I had better change Mabe, Cornwall and Trebah soon! Why, when 1 picture > 1000 words, do we not allow this organised way of displaying them?
 * 3) . I don't understand your remarks about French WP.
 * 4) . I am working on an article on Edward Long Fox, one of the Fox family of Falmouth (The article is in draft at User:Vernon39/Sandbox6. His venture, to put right the wrongs of war, led to firm relationships being established between London Yearly Meeting of the RSoF and the Congénies "Inspirés". This is mentioned in Henri van Etten's book, Chapitres IV and V. There are a number of conflicting accounts of "The French Business".  I hope to see an account written (probably soon) after 1814, when I visit Cornwall Record Office at the end of the month.
 * 5) . Thanks for the useful ideas on your UserPage. I'll emulate them for Cornwall, when I get myself organised . ..


 * I am currently addressing the problem of translating OS Grid reference into latitude and longitude with an accuracy of under 7m. So other pages are suffering.


 * I hope to fill the space with more material translated from the French page, and then put some English Quaker material onto the French page. Yes it does look empty at the moment in my browser, but we must take into account that screens are different widths, as some on the newer computers such as the OLPC machine that is destined for 3rd world children will be narrower still.


 * I see you have noticed that I had added a link to the piece I did on Robert Charleton pinmanufacturer of Bristol, Robert's Memoir 1876 was edited by his sister in law Anna F Fox. His first wife was Catherine B Fox. He was born on 1809, and his mother Elizabeth died when he was seventeen during a sojourn in Penzance and his father remarried in 1835 to Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas and Sarah Fox of Wellington Somerset. This does seem to tie in remarkable well with your Sandbox.

Yes, the Fox family of Falmouth Foxes were prolific and got around a lot. A local Fox says his grandfather told him he had 72 first cousins. A family of Quaker Brothers frequently married a family of Quaker Sisters, although first cousin marriages were forbidden. These familial and business networks are all documented in Milligan's Biographical dictionary of British Quakers in commerce and industry (2007). The OS problem sounds very vexing! The pin-making information is very interesting as my father's mother's father is said to have owned a pin, needle and fish-hook factory in Redditch (not a Quaker, though). Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 08:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

east and west
Clem, well you have to say the sundials are coming along at a pace, not all I agree with at the moment but.. One thing I see you changed Houghton Hall from South / West to South East. Now I could not remember which was which so went by the text A vertical direct east or west dial has a gnomon that is parallel but raised from the wall that supports it. The hourlines run parallel to the gnomon, at an angle to the horizon. This angle is the location's latitude. The east dial drops to the right, and the west to the left. in the article. Was I that wrong, or was the article wrong. Thanks Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 20:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Houghton Hall- Articles are very confusing- the north wall is the south facing wall, this gets even more entertaining if the source is in Dutch, but if you look at the banner of southwest decliners you can see a direct west- this corresponds to my diagram in Waugh. Another way of looking at it is draw a compass rose N E S W (clockwise) and draw over it a box. Label that South Facing, East facing, North Facing, West facing. In each case the South has the East to the right of it. Another way of looking at it is The sun rises in the east, so the gnomon on the east facing wall appears to rise too. I have a mnemonic that I can never remember for South East decliners  TANSED Three above nine- south east decline . So, after that bit of classic obfuscation- I leave it to you to decide!ClemRutter (talk) 21:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I will get there next available weekend with my trusty compass, but as you have put it the new text is correct, the article was wrong. On the google map it is the building next to the tennis court, you can just about make out its shape. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 18:56, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

British Quaker Recorded Ministers/Robert Charleton
The practice of recording in a Monthly Meeting Minute the acknowledgement that a Friend had a gift of spoken ministry began in the 1730s and was discontinued at London Yearly Meeting 1924, according to Milligan's Biographical dictionary of British Quakers in commerce and industry p. 582 (Glossary). The acknowledgement did not involve anything like ordination or any payment. Acknowledgement did permit the Recorded Minister to attend at Yearly Meeting and Meeting for Sufferings. Robert Charleton was a Recorded Minister. I suggest the existing Robert Charleton article be reviewed and content added from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, not the old Smith, Elder & Co publication. Do you have access to this source? Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 23:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * [Kent Libraries] give you free access to ODNB at home (if you have a library card). Vernon White  . . . Talk 00:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Meopham
Hi Clem Thanks for your kind remark! One big problem I had when I did the edit was that huge gap between the opening para and the next. I tried all the tricks I know (but probably missed an obvious one!) to make the text keep flowing, but with no luck - hence the removal of the pic. I agree absolutely that the infobox should carry a pic - it looks complete then. Yours of the main village green fills that nicely. Maybe you have more expertise than me at filling the gap otherwise? I did consider putting the windmill pieces below that para - would that work? I'm also going to tackle all those External links, the majority of which are not even referred to in the text! Regards Peter Shearan (talk) 10:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)