User talk:ClemRutter/Archives/2010/November

Manchester Ship Canal
Re the diagram, is the River Mersey navigable at any point in the diagram, as it is shown as entirely non-navigable. Mjroots (talk) 10:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You have lost me- which diagram- I can think of three- then I probably will say I don't know! Give it a try though.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The diagram headed "Manchester Ship Canal Map". Mjroots (talk) 16:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that one- I can't say. I also think we have a problem with the gauge of the vessel- navigable for a narrowboat is not the same as for a Panamax. I am still trying to get my head round the difference of lock sizes on the Ashton, Rochdale and two Huddersfield canals. As you see I have been uploading a few images of Salford Quays and Manchester industry/canals in general. But the idea of swimming in the Irwell is just too strange coming from a generation who knew it was a fire hazard, and so toxic that if you did come into contact with any of the water you should go straight to Accident and Emergency!--ClemRutter (talk) 14:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Criticism of Social Nudity
Typically, one leaves the article as it is before proposing deletion. If you use prod and it is removed or decline, the only option is to nominate the article for deletion via the AfD process. Yworo (talk) 19:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I redirected it to Issues in social nudity. If there was any good content, merge it there. If you don't think the redirect was correct, I also considered making it redirect to Naturism. I see no need for a separate article when there is a perfectly good section in another article for the content. Yworo (talk) 20:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Brompton, Chatham, Gillingham and Rochester Water Company
What do you know of the above company? I'm particularly interested in its resident engineer, William Coles Finch - see User:Mjroots/William Coles Finch where I've made a start. Mjroots (talk) 13:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

-ize spellings
I see you’ve reverted a casual anonymous editor of the Naturism article who changed the spelling of “organisation” to “organization”, observing that the article uses European English throughout.

Actually, I believe there’s nothing particularly un-European about the -ize spelling. When I was at grammar school in Yorkshire in the 60s, there was no pressure to use one form rather than the other. I always used the -ize form. I think it was only with the wholesale adoption of desktop computers running Microsoft Word that things changed; the British English spell-checker  didn’t  recognize “organize”, so it was much easier to change your spelling habits than to create a personal dictionary. In any case, S is a bit easier to type than Z!

You might care to look this, and then of course this WP article is also very interesting.

Of course, it's nonetheless true that any given article should consistently use -ise or ize, something which, I have to say, is not the case at the moment! AdeMiami (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * There is an art to squishing random ip-edits. On the one hand, they could be a brilliant editor just dipping their toe into the water for the first time-- or they could be the sort of time waster that jams up my watchlist. A little comment that may make them think could turn the latter into the former. We all have our fantasies!


 * Royalties from OUP financed my summer for over a decade- but it was my wife who wrote the book. I just took the photographs. My degree was from a modern university (Lancaster). It doesn't surprise me that Oxford and American usage is still rooted in the 17th century. If you look at Rhotic and non-rhotic accents you see a similar (but unrelated) pattern. As I understand it Rhotic is in retreat, but was the norm when the colonies broke away in the 18th Century, so in a similar way I can understand why they still use Dr Johnson spelling.


 * My background leads me to standardise on -ise, but not militantly. It is a bit ambitious to expect the average reader to have knowledge of the Greek origin of a word. In this case all my European sources including the INF handbook use -ise, while Woycke the Canadian source uses -ize. But its fun to talk - thanks for the comment.--ClemRutter (talk) 10:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)