User talk:ClemRutter/Archives/2011/January

John Musgrave & Sons
Hi. Just seen the copyvio notice on this article you originated -- a notice applied by the editor who found and added the text! (he recently added a note on my talk page too -- odd.)

The thesis from which the text was copied makes interesting reading, and includes several references to Musgrave's. The copied paragraphs are all provided with references, some of which were later applied to the WP article too. I don't have time to do it myself, but what do you reckon the ethics are of using the same text (but edited to avoid copyvio) and quoting the same refs? Is it appropriate to quote indirectly from a reference (ie without actually seeing it)?

EdJogg (talk) 02:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this unambiguous declaration of intent to commit blatant copyright fraud and plagiarism. Weiterbewegung (talk) 12:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah! The Great Lobachevsky --ClemRutter (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Pardon me while I split my sides and roll around on the floor. Weiterbewegung (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * So whats the way forward Nicolai Ivanovich?--ClemRutter (talk) 17:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Камрад, я не знаю Weiterbewegung (talk) 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am still thinking about it.--ClemRutter (talk) 10:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Weiterbewegung
You may be interested to know that Weiterbewegung is currently at ANI - Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Maybe you can provide a bit of background there. Re your post on my talk page, I don't have any influence in that area. All I can do is to give advice as to the correct use of NFURs where appropriate, and encourage the uploading of images to Commons where appropriate so that they may be used by all Wikipedias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjroots (talk • contribs) 07:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * ClemRutter, I think Weiterbewegung is being contacted by too many people and is probably overwhelmed. I propose that just one person interact with him on his usertalk (other editors can continue discussion on other pages such as ANI).  Would you be willing to be the contact person?  If you're up for it, I'll put it at ANI.   You probably have more common ground with him than anyone else.  First thing I'd do is remove all the damn templates and bot notices from his page.  67.122.209.190 (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, your contributions to the Dobson & Barlow article have been cited as a problem, at WP:ANI, user talk:Weiterbewegung and talk:Dobson & Barlow. Regards, Mr Stephen (talk) 15:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Defunct company - Farmer, Norton
Hi, some time towards the end of this week I should have progressed the Churchill Machine Tool Company article as far as I can, short of going to the National Archives and, of course, some polishing up. It is unlikely that my polishing skills in a WP context are up to scratch, and National Archives stuff gets perilously close to being original research. Sure, there will be little bits that I'll be able to add/amend from time to time and I have a massive headache of a WP:SYN problem that I want to find a way to resolve because the result is v, v interesting (Churchill's "dad" in USA seems to have been a manufacturer of auger drills)... but I'll be looking for another project to get my teeth into.

Since you seem to be keen to record these defunct companies etc, do you know if anyone is looking into Sir James Farmer, Norton & Co Ltd of Salford yet? I can find no article for them. Am prepared to give it a go from scratch if no-one else fancies it. Sitush (talk) 21:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


 * No, defunct companies is a pretty lonely field- usually. Give it a go- I'll lend morally support when needed. I think we are all sailing close to the wind on No Original research here. There were always areas of the old encyclopedias (EB 9th edition) that published original papers when it came to maths science and technology.

I am happily beavering away working on lists of cotton mills. Luckily they have stopped building them so I may catch up one day.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Clem. Special Wiki-Derby Day in April
A purge of the Silk Mill sounds a great idea. I have been trying to encourage photographers such as yourself to have a blitz on the Museums in general although the silk mill is more of a priority (although I do have special permission to have the mill available for wikipedians in April when it will be mothballed. I always thought you were from Derbyshire!! I hope you mean Rochester in the UK :) I have loaded into commons only today a painting of the mill in 1850 which seems to show its italian roots (to me). Do feel empowered to be bold. If someone loads up 100 pictures into commons then that would not be too many. I know that an image is usually want inspires me to write an article and is an essential part of a good one. I presume I will meet you in April? Do feel free to encourage others to vacuum up some museum images. THanks very much for the note Victuallers (talk) 16:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * There certainly are logistic issues in getting up to Derbyshire- but I am not ruling it out. I haven't zapped a whole museum yet- it sounds like fun. A large part of the population of North Kent are incomers. Before that, and we are talking of almost 30 years, I owned a small piece of Didsbury. It was a grandmother that was born in Bugsworth. --ClemRutter (talk) 17:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)