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Laurent Clerc
Your edits to this article appear to be extracts from a book, thus copyright violations. They also don't adhere to the manual of style. I have reverted them. &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 08:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The information is good, valuble, and appreciated, but it should be written in your own words rather than copy pasted out of a book to ensure it's relevant. I also noted that some of it was in the first person, which isn't appropriate for our articles. By the way, I moved your message to the bottom of my talk page, if you want to reply. Cheers, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 08:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not common in Wikipedia because we don't accept autobiographical material, see WP:AUTO. You are welcome to rewrite it in your own words and cite the autobiography as a source, see WP:CITE. And please reply to the comment at the bottom of my talk page, where your other comments are (use Ctrl + F to search for your username if you can't find them). &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 08:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest you re-read Autobiography, specifically ""The problem with autobiographies", before accusing me of jumping the gun etc. I also point out that if, indeed, we do allow autobiographies in some cases (and as far as I know we don't), you'll need a much stronger justification than "Others will want to read it, and it is proper to add it." I can't think of a proper justification, because to the best of my knowledge we just don't do this sort of thing. &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 08:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read the section and see nothing directly justifying your edits. Please point me or quote something that does. Thanks, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 09:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I assume you refer to the paragraph starting with "Finally one should also make considerations of time and effort upon the Wikipedia community..." - I don't think your edits were completely neutral or verifiable. If you disagree, so be it, you can re-add them and see what others who review the article think, if you like. Otherwise, this discussion isn't really going anywhere...it's up to you. &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 09:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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Your edits to Alan Hurwitz
You seem to be intent on classifying the presidency of the National Association of the Deaf (United States) as a "cultural office", however:
 * The article National Association of the Deaf (United States) clearly states that it is "a non-profit organization"--specifically a nonprofit advocacy organization, so s-npo absolutely applies.
 * A survey of Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:S-culture&limit=500 shows that its use is limited to positions in government-run (or at least government-funded) organizations that preserve or promote a particular nation's culture (e.g., like the Taiwanese Cultural Office), so s-culture seems wholly inappropriate.

This leaves the question: Can you cite a reliable source that states that the National Association of the Deaf is a "cultural institution" or that its presidency is a "cultural office"? Or is that a WP:SYNTHESIS that you WP:MADEUP?
 * -- DanielPenfield (talk) 20:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Answer:

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization/Guidelines#Cultural_offices_.28s-culture.29

Quoting that page:

Cultural offices (s-culture)

 * These are important positions in prestigious cultural institutions, including:


 * Chairmen and curators of major museums
 * Managers of famous theatres
 * Heads of important organisations, institutions, unions, and companies related to culture
 * President of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

Unquote

Clercfan (talk) 20:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You lost me—could you break that one down, please?
 * Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a chairman of a major museum."
 * Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a curator of a major museum."
 * Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a manager of a famous theater."
 * Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important organization related to culture."
 * Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important institution related to culture.
 * Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important union related to culture."
 * Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important company related to culture."
 * Thanks.
 * -- DanielPenfield (talk) 21:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

It's your interpretation that "culture" should only mean "the arts". Obviously, the NAD is an organization related to culture, in the broader sense. See the book: Culture : a critical review of concepts and definitions by A. L. Kroeber and Clyde Kluckhohn Clercfan (talk) 05:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It ain't obvious to me and it appears that you are not able to cite a reliable source that explicitly states that it is so (viz., that the National Association of the Deaf is a "cultural institution" or that its presidency is a "cultural office"). To quote WP:SYNTHESIS:
 * "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be a synthesis of published material to advance a new position, which is original research."
 * Congratulations, you've failed both WP:NOR and WP:V. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 15:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

This is not a controversial issue at all. It's enough to look on this webpage of the NAD:

http://www.nad.org/about-us

Quote:

''Core Values ◦Language. We value the acquisition, usage, and preservation of American Sign Language.

◦Culture. We value the right of deaf and hard of hearing Americans to share similar beliefs, sense of belonging, and experiences as a signing community.''

Unquote

It follows that the presidency is a cultural office. That's not a logical inference on my part. It's simply a fact borne out by the meanings of words. The "president" of an organization presides over the organization to accomplish the purposes of the organization.

Clercfan (talk) 07:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Your statement !! My response
 * "It follows that the presidency is a cultural office." || This is the inference. If you don't know what an inference is, look at the dictionary definition.
 * "That's not a logical inference on my part." || In the very next sentence following your admission that you're making an inference, you claim that you're not making an inference. Incredible.
 * "It's simply a fact borne out by the meanings of words." || The snippet that you offer from the "About Us" section of the organization's website does not explicitly state that they're a "cultural institution", nor does it state that their presidency is a "cultural office". It's almost as if you think that simply putting the word "culture" on one's website makes one's organization a "cultural institution".  IBM claims it has a "culture of trust".  Does that mean you're going to change S-bus to S-culture in the succession box in the article on Thomas J. Watson?
 * }
 * Finally, let me point out that you still can't seem to cite a reliable source that explicitly states that the National Association of the Deaf is a "cultural institution" or that its presidency is a "cultural office".
 * -- DanielPenfield (talk) 14:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * }
 * Finally, let me point out that you still can't seem to cite a reliable source that explicitly states that the National Association of the Deaf is a "cultural institution" or that its presidency is a "cultural office".
 * -- DanielPenfield (talk) 14:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

It's not a logical inference. It might be a judgment of some kind, as you point out, but this is besides the point. Wikipedia articles cannot be written without making some kind of judgments. All language use involves making judgments, since every instance of using language involves people interpreting what others are attempt to communicate to them. Also, which rule in Wikipedia mandates that an explicit reference to "cultural office" and "cultural institution" must be located in order to include such information in a Wikipedia article?

Clercfan (talk) 04:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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