User talk:Cliff smith/Archive 3

TfD nomination of Template:DTNG character
Template:DTNG character has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Magioladitis (talk) 11:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Escape from the Island of Aquarius
Hmmm, there really isn't a speedy tag that fits. It's not "patent nonsense" and although it doesn't really say much it's not short enough for "no context". I'm not entirely sure what it is. You could try proposed deletion, and if that tag is removed then you would go to WP:AfD. Hope this helps. ... disco spinster   talk  03:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Tom (talk) 11:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Please take another look at
Macaroni soup. Thanks, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 03:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 Chino Hills earthquake
Thanks for your kind words. Nice article, I'll keep my notes concise:


 * Is the lead long enough? I don't know earthquake articles at all, but it looks a but short and un-detailed. But correct me if I am wrong.
 * Tectonics: 1 fact is disputed
 * Damage and injuries: paragraphs 2 and 3 very much use ref 14 consecutively (Irving), you may limit yourself to sourcing the paragraph just once or twice
 * Response: the last sentence is worded in a complicated way IMHO

Anyway, great job, looking forward to see it as a GA. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 21:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Demi Lovato (album)
You voted in this AFD that I started. It is only fair to mention that there has been a substantial change to the article since I nominated it for deletion, in that it now has a release date and a title. You may or may not wish to rethink your vote. Kww (talk) 14:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks
hey, just to say thanks for the help you left on my talk page xxx Jessi1989 (talk) 17:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

thankyou
I appreciate the barnstar. :) The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  01:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Late Bloomer
Using THIS search parameter, there are actually a great number of sources available:, , , , , , , , etc. This film most definitely is notable. Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q.' 02:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. I didn't question its notability, I was just pointing out the fact that most of the article's content when I viewed it was a copy of some YouTube page.  Cliff smith  talk  02:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry. My bad. The article was created by someone either lazy or unversed in Wiki or both. How about we tag it for cleanup rather than deletion? I may even be able to take a crack at it myself over the next day or two, as there is plenty out there. It won't be perfect.... but should then be enough upon which other may continue to improve.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 09:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No worries, man. Tavix withdrew the nom anyway.  If you need/want any help, drop a line.  Cliff smith  talk  15:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

"the everything test"

 * That term was actually coined by User:RFerreira ^.^ JuJube (talk) 17:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:MUSIC
Hi, you've mentioned on a few future-album AfD's that 'per WP:MUSIC, title, track list and release date must all be confirmed by artist or label before it can have its own article'. I'm not actually seeing any such requirement on WP:MUSIC, merely a suggestion that albums with limited information should be left in the artist's article until there is enough verifiable information. Am I missing something here? Certainly you could make the argument that title, track list and release date are a good measure of 'enough information being available', but it doesn't seem that WP:MUSIC specifically asks for that, it's just the specific point when it's definitely not a CRYSTAL violation. ~ mazca  t 22:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, since it says that it's not a WP:CRYSTAL violation once those have been confirmed, I understood it to mean that it is a violation if those aren't confirmed. Cliff smith  talk  22:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It probably can be. I'm not saying you're wrong in any way, I was just after your thoughts as it seems I was interpreting it differently. Having that as a requirement seems to slightly contradict the statements earlier in the paragraph about "properly and reliably referenced information about the album's recording process, such as known guest musicians, may be sufficient to justify an independent article". Anyway, I don't think it matters anyway because 90% of the future albums that appear at AfD are indeed completely unsalvageable, hehehe. Cheers ~ mazca  t 22:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I admire your enthusiasm, but ..
.. this edit of yours did not undo all of the vandal's work - see the article history. Have you considered applying for rollback? Philip Trueman (talk) 19:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Darn, must've missed that. Rollback?  Hmm, well I can't say I've really thought about it.  Do you think I should?  Cliff smith  talk  19:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Why not? Your contributions history shows you can be trusted with it, and it would make vandalism reversion a little easier.  Some of the high-powered vandalism-reversion tools (e.g. WP:HUGGLE) require it, but you don't have to use them if you don't want to. Philip Trueman (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that sounds like a good idea. I think I'll look into it.  Thanks!  Cliff smith  talk  19:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, definitely! However, I do recommend that you warn your vandals when you undo their edits.  bibliomaniac 1  5  19:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, alright. I'll be sure to remember that.  So, how do I go about requesting rollback?  Cliff smith  talk  20:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've just given you rollback. Remember that it's only for vandalism and not for good-faith edits. You can test it out at WP:NAS/R.  bibliomaniac 1  5  20:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, I will. Thank you!  Cliff smith  talk  20:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Britney Spears audio samples
Featured music article usually have up to four audio samples depending on the length of the artist's career. Britney could probably warrant three or four, but the problem is finding a critical analysis of the song that warrants fair use. Gimmie More is a great example, the article for the song even has the original sheet music. All audio samples need to have a critical analysis/commentary on the arrangement/production/vocals in the caption for it to justify fair use. I'd have to look through periodicals and reviews to see which of her songs besides baby/gimmie are an absolute must for the bio. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  20:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Marnie Weber
The article I wrote for Ms. Weber is being considered for deletion. She is absolutely an artist of note and I have footnoted nearly all the information about her. I appeal to you to please reconsider the status of her article. I will continue to work on it and improve the information that is there, but there should be no question of her notability. Thank you.64.239.171.246 (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC) I apologize, I was not signed in under my account beforeAdamstamp (talk) 19:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well... if you take a look at the AfD log, I didn't comment on the status of the article. Nonetheless, I'll check it out. Cliff smith  talk  19:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hi. I noticed that you voted in the nomination for deletion of the article Inflammatory diseases of unknown etiology. As I don't know you or your motives for voting as you did, and not to insult you or your intelligence, I felt that a misunderstanding occurred during the vote, causing many editors to vote for deletion based on the merits of a strawman argument. Please revisit the AfD (at the embedded link above) to gain a clearer understanding of my issue with this vote and either uphold or revise your vote -- I am not writing to you to demand that you retract -- rather, I feel that some votes may have been swayed by what may no longer apply to the article, and because most of those who voted merely reiterated the nominator's premise, perhaps a review will produce a fairer outcome. Thank you.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 20:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 Chino Hills Earthquake
Sorry I don't see the references being pushed over to the side, but I'm using a resolution of 1024x768 so I can't see it but you can. But I think the image stack kind of takes up extra space. --Splat5572 (talk) 17:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh. I'm on 1280x800 and it's making practically a third column of blank space, hah.  Anyway, do you think we need two images from the same place?  We could move the bottom one to South Coast Plaza.  Cliff smith  talk  17:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried moving the images around. Can you look at the article again? You can move the images around and I can check to see if it looks all right from my resolution. :) --Splat5572 (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good idea! I think it works now.  Cliff smith  talk  17:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Afd spam
Could you please take a look at Articles for deletion/Pink's fifth studio album. I have added (the newly released) confirmed release date and I have expanded the article and added sources. If you still feel the article needs to be deleted, no problem. However I would be grateful if you'd take a look. Regards, --Cameron* 16:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Dinosaur Island (2002 film)
Curious about this. I noted your acceptance of the nom's wish to withdraw and then a reversal. What up?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, that... heh. I got into a bind on the procedure, wasn't sure if I'd done it right, so I undid it altogether. :|  Cliff smith  talk  21:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahhh... Understood. Every day I myself learn something new here on Wiki and try to apply it. Even now at the top of your page I found the link to WP:IAR, and will be using in just a second in an AfD where a respected editor keeps quoting "guideline" as I quote "policy" back at him.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you please
Can you please donot delete my page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir Gurung (talk • contribs) 17:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, if you look at the AfD page for List of people named Gurung, I didn't express any opinion as to whether the article should be deleted or kept. I just sorted it.  Cliff smith  talk  17:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Kucinich
I find that it is a known fact that Dennis J. Kucinich is the best congressman ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.37.241 (talk) 01:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, since that is an opinion, that doesn't belong on Wikipedia. I'd recommend reading Wikipedia's policy on keeping articles neutral and free of bias.  Thanks,  Cliff smith  talk  01:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawn
Yes, I would like to withdraw. JoshuaD1991 (talk) 00:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sapientech
The article about Sapientech is not intended to be an ad. If there is a problem then by all means delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kstandiford (talk • contribs) 17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Bride Wars writers
I see you removed Greg DePaul in, I guess because he wasn't mentioned in the references. He has posted to Help desk. A web search shows that published sources vary and I'm not a film editor and unsure who should be mentioned for what in the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's the only reason why. Just found a source, so I'll go take care of that right now.  Thanks for bringing this to my attention.   Cliff smith  talk  01:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking care of it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Mad Men
Hi there, I just looked over the article. Nice job, and I have following suggestions:


 * "Characters": here is the greatest hole IMHO. Just listing characters in in-universe style is a bit weak, it is better to bring real-life impact and/or interviews with the actors or the producers. Read WP:WAF for more info on this.
 * "Crew": last 1.5 paragraphs are unsourced. Either source or omit (may be interpreted as OR by a strict reviewer)
 * You Know I'm No Good song needs a wikilink

Anyway, keep up the good work. Onomatopoeia (talk) 20:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Really appreciate it.  Cliff smith  talk  01:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Prestige Academy of Motion Pictures
What is your opinion? Hoax? Puppets? I can find nothing anywhere (except Wiki) that says anything about this "organization" or its "awards". If it truely exists, it is completely unsourced. If it is a hoax, there are dozens of articles on Wiki that will have to be fixed. Is there an tool that will remove such wikilinks, or will it be a one-by-one search and remove? What do you advise?  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Well, I'm not seeing any pertinent hits on Google (many of them are Wikipedia mirrors) and no hits on Gnews.  If this isn't a hoax, it doesn't appear to meet the general notability guideline.  Cliff smith  talk  21:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My problem too, as the article and all its childen were all created by a WP:SPA, as additions by others all appear to be maintenance or cleanup. With claims of being a "dedicated" group of industry professions, and having "made awards" as far back as 1990, you'd think there'd be something out there. It smells. Very.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Further, becuae there are a number of sites that have copied this information from Wikipedia... Nationmaster.com, Answers.com, Powerset.com, Freebase.com, Bookrags.com, etc. The PAMP article is generating a false notability as its "awards" are being connected online with major stars and films that never received any such thing: Nicole Kidman, Youtube.com (in the Nicole Kidman honors section), Brokeback Mountain, Million Dollar Baby, Clint Eastwood, etc., etc., etc. This makes Wikipedia into a untrustworthy laughing-stock. The longer its here, the worse this is going to get. Shall I send my concerns up the ladder to an Admin or Coordinator? Can the AfD be changed to a Speedy Delete? This is a very damaging situation.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. I was about to alert a coordinator, but since you've discovered this, I think it'd be better if you did.  I'd contact all of WP:FILM's coordinators.  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  00:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems every time I check, some other WP:RS has included the informations as created on Wiki, and still no proof that PAMP ever exists other than its article on Wiki. Just sent word to one and now alert them all.... up to and including Giro. What a mess. Yikes.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Breakin' Dishes
I'll redirect it. It claims to have charted, but I'm finding no evidence of it on the Billboard charts. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Napoleon
Thanks for correcting, Tom (talk) 10:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The Italian Job (2003 film)
Hey, nice work on the page. I had been meaning to improve the page for a while (I thought it was a great film) but never got around to doing it. Anyways, is there anything you need help with? I'll try to add something here and there.  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  04:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :] I liked the movie too.  Um, well, if there are any interviews with the cast or crew, those might be useful if we want to add to Production or Cast.  Especially cast, I think, since right now it doesn't go into how Mos Def and Seth Green's roles were like the comic relief.  I think a couple of the critic reviews might've mentioned that, but interviews would be good too.  I'm in UTC-8, and I won't be on for a few hours since I'm a little busy today, so I'm hurried in writing this, but thanks again and I look forward to working on this more. Yours,  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  17:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I found an interview with Wahlberg, and two reviews that mentioned the comic relief, although they are not very reliable, .  Corn.u.co.pia  /  Disc.us.sion  01:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Wahlberg interview is good. Didn't really have high hopes for finding anything about the comic relief, so I'm not too surprised that we didn't find much (I looked for some sources too).  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  02:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

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Alice in Wonderland (2010 film)
I was preparing a lengthy and well-sourced comment as to why the article should be merged to Tim Burton for a couple weeks and then brought back.... then I checked Google News to fing that filming had begun. I should have gone there first. I wonder how Burton's going to handle "3-D", as most such have bombed.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * As it so happens, I was planning on doing the same thing before we got pp confirmation. Yeah, 3-D, that should be interesting.  Pixar's going to release Toy Story 3 in 3-D.  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  19:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Awesome!
Thank you for that comment. Zhang Heng's article does look fantastic. Cheers.-- Pericles of Athens  Talk 03:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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Re: The Italian Job (2003 film)
Thanks for the notification. First off, I'm sorry that I didn't really help. I know I promised to, it's just that I was doing other stuff, so again, sorry. Anyways, about the GAC, I think it's almost ready. Recently Doomsday (film) was passed as a GA, so try modelling it after that. The lead size needs to be increased, two paragraphs in total would be good. Plot section is good. The production section is also good. Cast section seems incomplete. Maybe have a list before the prose, e.g.:


 * Mark Wahlberg as Charlie Croker, a con artist.
 * Donald Sutherland as some guy.
 * Charlize Theron as some chick.
 * etc.
 * etc.

Gray had been interested in working with Wahlberg since seeing his performance in Boogie Nights (1997). After reading the script for The Italian Job, Gray contacted Wahlberg, who "fell in love with it" after reading it hims....

See what I mean? Maybe having a list of the cast would be more clear. And the rest of the article is good. If you feel that my comments are stupid, or if you disagree, please tell me so. Anyways, good luck on the GAC!  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  06:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it, it's not a problem in the least. Anyways, I'm working on expanding the lead, and as far as the cast section goes, I'm uncertain.  Because the characters and what they do are included in the plot, it seems, to me, at least, that having a list of the same things would be a little redundant.  But I don't think I'd be opposed to having one.  I really appreciate your comments and advice.  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  18:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't realise you replied here. Anyways, I see your point with the cast section; I guess you should just wait and see what the GA reviewer says. Speaking of GA reviewer, I think it's time to nominate the article. ;)  Corn.u.co.pia /  Disc.us.sion  06:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Twilight
Yes, it is a book series which I absolutely abhor. My POV aside, there's been a mix of positive and negative IP edits lately, and vandalism has not really been that great. So I don't think that semi would be justified at the moment. When it does start getting bad as the release date approaches, then report to WP:RPP and it should be taken care of promptly. I have watchlisted it just in case too. Cheers,  bibliomaniac 1  5  22:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Bo Sanchez
Hi. You closed Articles for deletion/Bo Sanchez as "Nominator withdrawn". I am the nominator and I didn't write anywhere I am withdrawing. The article was improved and I was thinking to withdraw, but I was planning to give the AfD one more day. Anyway, I didn't withdraw. I always need some time to check the additions made and today was a busy day for me. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 00:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Thank you Cliff, I really appreciate the barnstar, a whole lot. :) Goodness, how are you? Its been quite sometime since we've talked. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm alive :) More seriously, I've been doing alright.  Busy lately, but I'm good.  How are you?  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  19:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice, I never thought you were dead. :) I'm good and alive. Listen, is there a way I can ask a favor? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lay it on me and I'll see what I can do. Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  23:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think you can copy-edit Maggie Gyllenhaal's article? Reason I ask, I'm trying to aim the article to FA status, and I was told that before nominating the article I should contact someone to copy-edit the article and I was hoping that someone could be you. :) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? I'm touched that you thought of me.  Truly.  I'll get on that ASAP.  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  20:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, your a good editor and highly respected by others, I figured asking you might be the real deal. :) Thank you for taking the time to do this "little" favor, I truly appreciate it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * They don't have a parenthesis big enough to accurately depict my face right now. Hahah.  Acknowledgement like that is gratifying to an ineffable degree.  Anyway, (enough of my random "big word" jag) I'll be tweaking little things here and there today, probably tomorrow as well.  Copyediting isn't my strongest skill, so don't be surprised if there are a couple things I might miss that might come up in the FAC, and if you want to be super confident in the quality of the prose, drop a line at WP:GOCE.  Thanks again.  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  21:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, nice. :) Its alright, whatever needs tweaking, seems suitable for the article. I'll ask around for a pair of eyes to see what you do turns out. Yeah, I left a request at GOCE for another article, but haven't heard anything at the moment. I have my faith in you. :P --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Twilight (2008 film)
No worries, we can always extend protection more later. Cirt (talk) 19:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Would love your opinion of my improvements..
I found this AfD and became intrigued. the more i dug, the more I realized that this was a unique and notable project... even if it is never released... but I think it will be. The involvement of NASA and JPL in an animated/educational/scifi/adventure, with the involvements of a great many notable atars, make this one quite interesting. So I spent a few hours and turned this stub into this fully fleshed-out article. I would love your input towards additional improvements.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 19:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like some good work here. My suggestions/comments are: use the standard citation templates when referencing, and don't link to someone's IMDb page in the prose if they haven't got a Wiki article.  There'll probably be more sources to use in the coming months, so it may appear lacking or underdeveloped to some, but I think that the article at least deserves a chance.  Again, good job.  Cheers,  Cliff smith  <sup style="color:black;">talk  20:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I will remove the inline IMDB links, and leave them red-linked so as to attract a possible future article (specially for Chris Pine, the New James Kirk) and will convert my cites to standar web template. this one was a labor of found love.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 21:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OKay... I think I got them all. And I managed to catch a few typos while I was at it. I can see now that standard cite format makes it easier to check an article's cites individually. Neat. And whew!  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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