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February 2024
Hello, I'm BBQboffin. I noticed that you recently removed content from Andrei Cherny without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. BBQ boffingrill me 04:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Sure happy to explain why and would ask that you restore the edits unless there was something wrong with them. They were all well sourced and accurate additions that gave better context.
 * To say in the first paragraph of the entry that "The company is under investigation by the Justice Department and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission for allegedly inflating the impact of its carbon offsets" was a recent addition clearly made by a rival campaign. It does not belong so prominently on the page and it is demonstrably false. There have been no such allegations.
 * "Cherny left his position as chief executive officer in 2022 after a deal to go public as a special purpose acquisition company (SPAC) at a $2.3 billion valuation fell through" There is no evidence presented saying that the SPAC deal "fell through" or that the departure had anything to do with that
 * "Aspiration aimed to sell carbon offsets and credits to businesses, promising to help them offset their greenhouse gas emissions by planting trees." This is not true and there is no evidence for it.
 * What I added here was all accurate and provided a complete picture. The material cut was innapropriate and clearly written as an election attack. Cliffh123 (talk) 04:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If the lede sourcing was a rival campaign, it would be right to remove it, but the source is from The Arizona Republic, not a campaign site. Your addition left the page with several citation errors so it wasn't clear to me what sourcing there was for the Aspiration material you added. We do have an article about Aspiration already and the text (sourced by a broken link) appeared to me not to directly relate to the biography. As for Cherny's departure being linked to the merger, the AZ Central source in the article does indeed make that connection: "Cherny left his post as CEO in 2022 when the company hit choppier waters and that deal was delayed." and so our paraphrase follows that source. Concerns about the article's tone/bias are best expressed on the article's talk page, where multiple editors can see them and reply to them. Cheers! BBQ  boffingrill me 05:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't believe you fairly or adequately responded to the points that I made.
 * Each one of the additions that I made was sourced by articles from CNN, Fortune, etc. For you to claim that it is not clear what the sourcing is makes no sense. This was fair material that was cut gratuitously.
 * Placing material about a CFTC of Andrei Cherny's former company in the opening paragraph of his bio while he is an active candidate presents an extremely biased view. Why that and nothing else about his 25 year plus career in that paragraph?
 * Numerous other articles state that Cherny's departure had nothing to do with the SPAC deal timeline and so cherry-picking that one article from the AZ Republic is not accurate
 * What is your source of stating that "Aspiration aimed to sell carbon offsets and credits to businesses, promising to help them offset their greenhouse gas emissions by planting trees." Cliffh123 (talk) 05:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add back your text sourced by CNN, Fortune, etc.! And improve the lede and the rest of the article by adding content!  The one sentence in the lede about the investigation I wrote as a compromise by one editor who removed it (along with sources) and another who had two sentences about it, which appeared to me to be too much weight. As for "cherry-picking that one article from the AZ Republic", we don't have 8 sources about the SPAC deal, we have just the one, and it makes the connection. I'd suggest you find those "numerous other articles" that "state that Cherny's departure had nothing to do with the SPAC deal timeline" and add them to the article. Sources do conflict sometimes and that's where a talk page discussion (on the article talk page, not here) will help get consensus on how we present the material. But first you have to bring those sources to the article.  BBQ  boffingrill me 06:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)