User talk:Cliffordben1994

A lengthy welcome
Hi Cliffordben1994. Welcome to Wikipedia. I've added a welcome message to the top of this page that gives a great deal of information about Wikipedia. I hope you find it useful.

Additionally, I hope you don't mind if I share some of my thoughts on starting out as a new editor on Wikipedia: If I could get editors in your situation to follow just one piece of advice, it would be this: Learn Wikipedia by working only on non-contentious topics until you have a feel for the normal editing process and the policies that usually come up when editing casually. You'll find editing to be fun, easy, and rewarding. The rare disputes are resolved quickly and easily in collaboration.

Working on biographical information about living persons is far more difficult. Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons policy requires strict adherence to multiple content policies, and applies to all information about living persons including talk pages.

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If you work from reliable, independent sources, you shouldn't go far wrong. WP:RSP and WP:RSN are helpful in determining if a source is reliable.

I hope you find some useful information in all this, and welcome again. --Hipal (talk) 21:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Ways to improve Born Champion
Hello, Cliffordben1994,

Thank you for creating Born Champion.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

""Born Champion" (film) 1998 search on Google shows that additional sources exist. Consider the need for these sources. Thank you."

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, leave a comment here and begin it with. Remember to sign your reply with. For broader editing help, please visit the Teahouse.

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Whiteguru (talk) 12:54, 16 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Cliffordben1994, I'm SiberianCat. I can't believe the page reviewer, Whiteguru, has given you such vague and unhelpful advice on how to improve Born Champion. Simply suggesting a Google search to find additional sources is not helpful if the search doesn't yield reputable sources as results. Let's look at what the first page of a Google search for "Born Champion" (film) 1998 brings up:


 * Born Champion (1998) - IMDb (already cited as a source; though the use of IMDb on Wikipedia as a sole reference is usually considered unacceptable and is discouraged.)
 * Born Champion (1998) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb, (ditto)
 * Born Champion - Wikipedia, (obviously no 'circular sourcing' allowed)
 * Born Champion (1998) - Filmaffinity, (Wikipedia lists Filmaffinity as a questionable resource)
 * Hollywood Movie Born Champion 1998 - Bollyviews.com (not mentioned as a reputable source and certainly doesn't look like one)
 * Born Champion (1998) - Salty Popcorn, (not mentioned as a reputable source)
 * Fans of Jenna Fischer ..., (already cited as a source)
 * BORN CHAMPION Full Movie (1998) Watch Online Free - fulltv.tv (a scam site taking credit card numbers)
 * Born Champion (1998) - IMDb API (IMDB discouraged as a source)

Further scrolling though Google search results brings up similar results. It's a shame the page reviewer did not list at least one recommended site as a source, rather than simply advising you to search Google and "consider the need for these sources".

A key fact about Born Champion that needs to be addressed on the page is whether the film ever received a theatrical release or if it was straight-to-video/TV. I assume it didn't get a theatrical release, as the star, Dan Haggerty, was apparently unaware of it being released.

Anyway, I look forward to Whiteguru suggesting which results via the suggested Google search should be used as sources. SiberianCat (talk) 04:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Proserpine
Thanks for your removals there ... I've also tried to remove guff but I'm not very good at it; I'm generally too nice; For a laugh you can see my contribs on the article. Graham 87 14:42, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Proserpine, Queensland
Hi! I think you may not entirely understand the role of the citation-needed template. It's used to tag information that appears credible but does not yet have a citation. By all means, deleted uncited material if you doubt it is true, e.g. "Proserpine was founded in 1960", but if it's plausibly true, a more useful action is to try to cite it, or leave the citation-needed in place. Similarly your comment about content being "unencyclopedic" falls into the category of "I'm not interested in it". If content is cited and you don't think it is manifestly untrue and isn't violating any policies, leave it be. For example, it is quite usual to list sporting facilities in a town and that would include the motorbike track (which was cited). I am not personally interested in sports so I might not add much of that kind of content, but I don't delete it either as other people are more interested in sports than I am. You may find reading WP:NOT useful. It's always better to focus (particularly as a new contributor) on improving articles with additional content and citations. I don't disagree with some of your previous deletions of content as they were somewhat promotional which is a policy issue, but I think you have gone too far in this instance. If you need any help or advice, please do not hesitate to ask me. Kerry (talk) 07:57, 6 March 2022 (UTC)