User talk:Clivechristian

Can someone tell me why the page Clive Christian still isnt showing up when you search?Clivechristian (talk) 11:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There has never been an article Clive Christian. If you mean User:Clivechristian/Clive Christian, then it has been deleted by Fastily, an administrator, because it was considered to be "unambiguous advertising or promotion", as explained below. I had no part in the deletion, but I fully agree with the decision. There was also no evidence in the page of any notability of the subject. Contrary to what many people think, Wikipedia does not accept articles on anything at all, but only on things satisfying its notability criteria. If you have not already done so I strongly recommend reading the general notability guideline, the guidelines on notability of people and conflict of interest, and the policy on what Wikipedia is not. I think all four give reasons why your page was not acceptable. Finally, a completely different point. It is usual on Wikipedia talk pages to post new threads at the bottom, and not doing runs the risk of meaning your message may not be noticed. I very nearly missed your "talkback" tag on my talk page because it was at the top instead of at the bottom, where I expect to find new posts. When I did find it I very nearly missed your comment here, for the same reason. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Clivechristian/Clive Christian


A tag has been placed on User:Clivechristian/Clive Christian, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of User:Clivechristian/Clive Christian and leave a note on |the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Mean as custard (talk) 21:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010
You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved, instead of writing it yourself. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to No original research, Neutral point of view, and Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedians with articles.) Thank you. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:36, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I have amended the page so that it is factual and cited references to suport the information is this still not acceptable or do i have to start again to create the page? I am finding it extremely hard to understand all of this despite reading all the helpguides is there a helpline number I can call at all.Clivechristian (talk) 12:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Assuming you mean User:Clivechristian, I see no problem with it at present, as a minimal start for an article. Obviously there is scope for expansion.
 * Yes, I remember when I started editing Wikipedia I found all the policy documents and guidelines totally confusing. It does get much better once you've had a little experience, but I still personally think there are far too many rules and documents. When Wikipedia started it was much simpler, and in my opinion we could benefit by simplifying it again. There isn't a helpline as such, but there is Editor_assistance/Requests, which you may find helpful. Also Questions lists various places where you can ask various kinds of questions. There are lots of other useful sources of information, but giving a list of them all would take us back to the confusion because there's too much which you mentioned.
 * Please do bear in mind the conflict of interest issue. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I am not Mr Clive Christian myself my name is Sian Webb and I work for Clive Christian. I would just like to create a biographical page as there is for say Tom Ford. I though that userCliveChristian page is the page that is live on wikipedia and therefore if someone searched they would find what i have written so far or am I missing a step somewhere? Clivechristian (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Working for Clive Christian is enough to raise conflict of interest doubts, but I do not see any conflict of interest problem with the present version of the page. You have used a user page to write a draft of an article, which is fine, but it shouldn't stay there indefinitely. Once it is ready it should be moved to Clive Christian. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Can I upload what I have done so far just so that if anyone searches Clive Christian it will give them this basic line of information that I can then add to gradually? I have been reading up on the dos and donts and will ensure that no opions are expressed and contunte to cite references as I proceed. Thanks Sian Clivechristian (talk) 15:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, go ahead. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)