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Hi there
Hi, good to hear from you again. Things are fine, with the ProteinBoxBot being our focus at the moment! One thing I had trouble with was updating the MCB article worklist, I could get the MathBot to run but what do you do after that? Tim Vickers (talk) 17:22, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

have we met?
Hi there, saw your name pop up on my watchlist. Don't think we've actually overlapped very much in terms of our periods of activity, but your fingerprints are everywhere... ;) Anyway, just thought I'd come over, tip the hat, and say hi...  Cheers, AndrewGNF (talk) 19:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the bio... redirect.
Figured it was an important scientific something....Glad someone could sort out what. Have a nice day! :) TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 21:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * and looking at your userpage I realise we're 'neighbors' so howdy from the Manhattan side of the bridge/tunnel :) TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 21:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

RE:Packers Project
Thanks, and thank you! The layout is a great design! The colors I picked were the official colors of the Green Bay Packers, so I figured it would only be fitting if I used those colors for the Packers Project. But again, thanks for the layout, it made the Project look so good! « Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 23:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Supposedly the official colors are #FFCC00 (Green), #213D30 (Gold) but I would be open to other sources that say otherwise, and yeah it was a lot of work just for me to make it work for WP:GNB, so I can only imagine what it was like to do it by scratch! « Gonzo fan2007  talk ♦ contribs 23:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I'll stick with the color we have now, all the other Packers templates use these colors, so for consistency's sake Ill stick with those. And come on, you know never to cite Wikipedia as a source ;-)  « Gonzo fan2007  talk ♦ contribs 00:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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Beat me to blocking the genesis dude.
I have to admit, I also loled a bit that there's actually a "genesis vandal." Guess that's as far as he got and totally missed the whole "do unto others" part or whatever. :P -- slakr \ talk / 16:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Who was the first? I've been trying to keep up with these for a couple of hours now. Rudget . 14:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Coastal Extreme Brewing
Thanks for the welcome and the work you did on the article! I'm working on it to try and find more sources and everything – I'm hoping that I can find enough to ensure it meets notability requirements... Either way, thanks again for the help! BWH76 (talk) 10:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Human Genetic History draft and vote
I created a draft version of WikiProject Human Genetic History; feel free to go to it and flesh it out. Also, given that there has been some comments about starting a task force inside of an existing WikiProject vs. a full-blown project, I've started an informal poll on the WikiProject proposal page. – Swid (talk · edits) 00:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Igor
He's looking good. Is there a list of what features will be included? I can't tell all that much from the screenshots. Tim Vickers (talk) 19:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Igor
This is a brilliant idea! I have a project right now with estimated duration to completion of two years, spanning several hundred existing and several hundred planned articles, and already including a team of editors. If I can help in any way please tell me as I'm also dong a PM certification now. Cheers --mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 00:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Igor Splash screen
Hi, what kind of image you had in mind for it, and in wich format you would like to have it?-LadyofHats (talk) 22:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No idea what to do.
Okay, I'm really not sure how to go about this. I was trying to read about something, but had trouble and found out the article had been made into a redirect. But the redirects are pretty bad. It's just a lot of dead ends with no information. I'm not sure how to proceed here, so I got a name off the admin list and am asking for help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inevitable_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29&redirect=no

This is the article, and anything it redirects to has no information, I'm not sure if I should try to restore the article, or merge it into some other section or what. Any help would be appreciated. Jack Cain (talk) 07:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Userpage
Can you restore my userpage?  Not hing 4 44  23:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. I have already worked some of the pages.  Not hing 4 44  23:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up
Thanks for the heads up. I'm just glad you gave me it before its too late.  Not hing 4 44  20:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Long Island
Hello, ClockworkSoul. Please accept this kind inivitation to join WikiProject Long Island. You told me this was a great place to start, but I need helpers.  Not hing 4 44  21:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: I can has vandull?
What about the sign on Jimbo Wales' userpage? Also, please consdier joining WikiProject Long Island, home of the first documented video game, and the beautiful Jones Beach, Syosset, and Lighthouse. (And stonybrook college of course)  Not hing 4 44  04:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll list you on WikiProject Long Island. Sounds good?  Not hing 4 44  05:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for warning me of the dangers. I could use a guy like that. Ya know, in a month some other admin is gonna grant me rollback! Hows that for trustworthy. He said it had nothing to do with me....just that he can't do it so soon after a block. Well, anyway I apperciate you preventing me from getting blocked. I'm going to decline that nerd cabal offer anyway. Maybe after I build up my trustworhiness. Thank you for being on my side. Happy Editing!  Not hing 4 44  01:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Admin Coaching
Do you do admin coaching? Because I would like to me coached.  Not hing 4 44  21:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I know...I'm not considering adminship anytime soon...just that I want to be coached early, and you were one of the few admins that knew that I could change if I was unblocked. So, I thought you would make a pretty good admin coach for me.  Not hing 4 44  23:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, to be realistic, I'm planning to run for adminship next year. I would like to start now, but if you don't want to coach me, dont worry I understand. [[File:smile.png]]  Not hing 4 44  23:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Status
Hello, Clockworksoul. As you probably know, when your joining wikiprojects (e.g. wikiproject long island for instance) it is good to keep a statsuchanger so we know when to recruit you. Please install this script onto your monobook.js page.  Not hing 4 44  00:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

IGOR
I really dont know if i got your taste with this, i have made 3 images, if none of them is what you are looking for i would prefer you explain me a bit more what is that you are looking for. :) igor1,igor2,igor3 -LadyofHats (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for reverting the recent edits by 163.153.96.101 The school district has reported that they have identified the students and are taking appropriate action. NERIC-Security (talk) 12:03, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanx for the Barnstar
I'm honored. I logged in today for the first time since last year and was surprised to see that. I had stopped bothering trying to improve Cold War/espionage articles because one particular user with a political ax to grind was arbitrarily deleting or reverting my edits. When I pointed out to him that his behavior was a violation of WP policy, he thumbed his nose at me. When I sought help from Admins, I found surprising indifference. So I dropped out of WP. It's just too frustrating to see hours of work butchered in a few seconds by an ignoramus or partisan hack, with no consequent enforcement of rules.

I don't mind my contributions being edited, but I put a lot of research into them, so I would appreciate it if the edits reflected some knowledge, or desire to improve the articles, or something other than a desire to "disappear" inconvenient facts down the memory hole -- or at least did not constitute blatant policy violations. (The user in question appears to have read Orwell's 1984, and to have embraced O'Brien as his role model.) The last straw was when he agreed not to revert my edits in a particular dispute until we received third-party input, then broke his word. His editorial technique is that employed by the editors of The Great Soviet Encyclopedia in their infamous edit of the article on Lavrentii Beria.

I have thousands of historically priceless primary source documents on Cold War espionage at the Center for Security Research, all of which I am willing to donate to the commons. Their inclusion as source material could vastly improve WP's articles in this area. I would be happy to return to WP if I could find just one Admin willing to investigate charges of repeated and gross policy violations. Mark LaRochelle (talk) 21:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Long Island Volume 1, Issue 1
Delivered by  Not hing 4 44  20:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Long Island Volume 1, Issue 2
Delievered by  Not hing 4 44  Go Irish! 22:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

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User can put what he wants on his user page within limits of WP:USER
I beg to differ, please see User page. I will be re-adding the tag to User:LilA1234.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, this userpage was tagged after discussion at Help desk in which the userpage was stated to be unacceptable and the criterion for removal was pointed out by another administrator.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 17:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. These things get iffy sometimes and I appreciate where you were coming from.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 00:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

J0hnnychavez.jpg
I obtained permission from John Chavez himself to use that picture on Wikipedia, I didn't really know what to put on the picture's description. --Thebluesharpdude (talk) 18:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:13920.jpg
I was in the middle of fixing the license when you deleted it. Any chance that it coulf be resurrected so that I can continue doing so? Kevin Rutherford 23:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying that. Kevin Rutherford 23:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Redirect of Temperature responsive polymers
Thanks for adding the redirect to the capitalized version (Temperature Responsive Polymers), I couldn't figure out how to do it myself. Mjmacky (talk) 20:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Orange Lounge Radio
I would like to contest the deletion of the Orange Lounge Radio page citing these articles:


 * http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-invades-orange-lounge-radio-podcast-29090.phtml
 * http://kotaku.com/gaming/katamari-damacy/more-fuel-for-beautiful-katamari-fire-247302.php
 * http://kotaku.com/gaming/katamari/rumor-beautiful-katamari-rolls-on-to-consoles-this-fall-245006.php
 * http://kotaku.com/gaming/castlevania/castlevania-portal-of-ruin-announced-166950.php
 * http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/18/rumor-beautiful-katamari-to-hit-xbox-360-ps3-wii-this-year/
 * http://www.podcastconnect.com/archive/2005/08/2005_peoples_choice_podcast_aw.html

Thanks :)

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Stats tool API
Hello! You asked about this earlier; I just added an API (completely untested so far) to stats.grok.se. If you insert "/json/" into the middle of the URL, you'll get the stats in json format. Like this: http://stats.grok.se/json/en/200804/Main_page. henrik • talk  18:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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Biotechnology Portal
Please comment on Portal talk:Biotechnology. Thanks! --BlaseDavid (talk) 09:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

File:Cscr-featured.svg
Would you consider releasing this image to the Public Domain? -- Cat chi? 16:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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Igor...what do I do?
I'm guessing I'm about to look like a fool, but...what do I do with the files I've just downloaded? I'm on a Mac and I have no clue which file I'm supposed to execute or which application I need to have. Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't say I see a .jar file – downloaded a .zip which the computer automatically opened for me. I've got an Igor-v0.2.0-src folder with three files (blacklist, changelog, and license) and two subfolders (resources and src). Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (Sorry – was in the middle of an FAC re-review.) Okay, that helped a bit – now I've got the .jar file, but when I double-click it, I get the message ''Jar Launcher: The jar file "Igor-v0.2.0.jar" couldn't be launched. Check the Console for possible error messages." Strange. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I left everything as is – was I supposed to move the file? The console message is quite concise: ===== Log file does not exist ===== . Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea where to find that information. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * One of my folders has J2SE 5.0 on it, and I also have settings files for Java 1.3.1 and Java 1.4.2. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for resolving that! Unfortunately, I don't have OS 10.5, though, so I guess here's where the story ends (for now...) Again, thanks for your persistence and patience! :) Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 10.4 at the moment. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 06:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries! When I upgrade, it will be near the top of my priority list. :) Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 06:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals
Hi ClockworkSoul. For a proposed WikiProject, I look at the number of existing subcategories and the number of articles that might be covered by that WikiProject. GregManninLB (talk) 07:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've reinstated the proposal for WP Mills. Mjroots (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

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Something I was wondering
I was wondering if I would be allowed to use a photo from stock.xchng in an article? Thanks, Candleguy1994 (talk) 19:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, the thing is, as I understand it, all of their photos are royalty-free and open source, but I'll have to check that. Candleguy1994 (talk) 06:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. --Candleguy1994 (talk) 07:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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Settling old scores (a.k.a Pinot grigio?)
I've had a bottle of wine under my bed with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aaron_Brenneman/Userpage_items/Treasure_hunt/1&diff=71117113&oldid=70898206 your name on it] for almost two years. I emailed saying "send details" at some stage, but now that I'm chasing up loose ends I realise I never heard back...

So, send me your details (or those of a trusted intermediary, if you wish) and some quasi-decent local vino will be on the way.

brenneman 03:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day
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Canine Leishmaniasis Article
Hi, I saw you on the Neapolitan Mastiff page which I am active on too – I am in the process of creating my first article Canine Leishmaniasis and I put it on the wikivet section not sure how to add it to the wikidogs section or if I should ? and have other questions about editing and stuff not sure if you have the time or interest ;) Since its my first article I am not sure if I am on the right track or waaaayyyy off !Lisa.Cinciripini (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you ;) so should I have not added it to the wikivet section ? is it bad wiki manners if I do it – or should you wait for someone else to tag the article for which projects it belongs to or is supported by ?   I am still gettin the hang of what is good wikimanners and what is bad wikimanners ;)   Also, I am open to some feed back on the article good or bad :)Lisa.Cinciripini (talk) 00:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

ps When someone responds on your talkpage like you responded on my talk page do I respond back on my talkpage or back on yours like I did here? stupid question but I am not really sure ? LOLLisa.Cinciripini (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 June 26
You restored it and protected the redirect. Thought you might like to know. --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hostile take over?
RE: WPFood Please do not get upset, please take the time to talk with others before jumping to such conclusions. I am just trying to get a hold over relevant articles and simplify assessments.

No more no less.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 19:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I have said I made a mistake, I have admitted I used poor wording which resulted in the misunderstanding and I never blamed the bot. What I believe is that the bot was simply doing what it was told to do, that I failed to fully grasp the level of problems with the way I tried to do things and that people should take better care when categorizing articles.

If our contributors would take the time to properly categorize their articles, this wouldn't have happened. Evidently, this is not the first time this kind of incident has occurred. The response was to blame the people who were simply trying get things done instead of addressing the underlying issue. No one has taken the lead to correct the problems: a lack of a system to insure the proper categorization of articles; provide a better, less complicated way to search out and tag articles as appropriately and a way to logically index this now massive project called Wikipedia.

Ask yourself, why was the Irish Famine categorized under Potato varieties? Why were Woodworking articles classified as Foods? This is insane, and it took this incident to make this painfully obvious to me.

Have you taken a real look at my proposal, or just dismissed it deciding I was a pompous ass? Have you considered the merits of working together to get things done? All I wanted to do was fix things that were messed up, foster a sense of community with the other foodies and make life easier for our related projects. I made mistakes, and I admitted to them while you just pointed them out and complained. As for the integrated functions of the banners, I will look to others to see if this is doable later or If I should just abandon all the work I put into it once I have established a better relationship with the projects after a cooling off period.

As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 03:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Issues with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD
Thank you for expressing your concerns on the recent issues with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD. I have made some comments and explainations at Wikipedia talk:Bots/Requests for approval and I am leaving this note just for your information --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) – 09:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Beer banner
I agree with your stand against the F&D tag, and I have also reported my disgreement with the tag. How you keeping?  SilkTork  *YES! 09:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What will we be voting for exactly? To keep our own tag, or for the exact wording on the shared F&D tag? I'm as yet still unsure of the benfits to the articles, the general reader, or the Beer project of a shared tag with F&D. I would appreciate an explanation of the potential benefits. And, like you, I am very uncomfortable with the manner in which F&D have done this – though that in itself isn't a barrier to future collaboration.
 * How am I keeping? Like you, often busy. I nibble away at beer articles, though not as much as I used to. And I don't participate as much in engaging interest in beer projects as I used to. There have been comments made about the augumentative and fragmented nature of the project, and sadly it is true. Healthy debate can produce some excellent results – but not all debate is healthy! Let's hope this tagging issue can bring people together in harmony. Regards  SilkTork  *YES! 13:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A discussion
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A discussion
An important discussion on " Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ?  " is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. You are receiving this note since I thought you may be interested in this disussion. --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) -, member of WikiProject Council. 13:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * With due respects to you, Just bcoz you dont agree to the discussion, dont close it when undergoing a healthy discussion. I am being WP:BOLD and reverted your closure. Thank you --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) – 15:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Relax, friend... I am not here for any edit wars... we are just having an healthy discussion here --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) – 15:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)



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 * (outsider butting in) For what it's worth, I don't imagine that the Beer Project, which seems to be rather healthy, is likely to absorbed into the Food and Drink project anytime soon. But it might be useful for the Food Portal to know which articles related to Beer are in good shape, for possible inclusion in the portal. I remember having read that the Video Game Portal got more hits than anything else in the Video Game WikiProject, and the same might hold true for Food and Beer as well. But I don't remember any time when an active project was absorbed into another one, and, considering the popularity of beer, I have real trouble imaging that it will happen in this instance. John Carter (talk) 22:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can see how you might think that. One option, which might be able to prevent such problems in the future, might be to have the Beer banner provide automatic assessment for Food and Drink as well, thus making the additional banner redundant. If you would want me to, I could probably do the adjustments myself. But I personally don't think that Tinucherian is necessarily trying to "take over", maybe just help organize. One of his goals might be to ultimately arrange the various food projects so that they can have some degree of coordination, like the Military history project (the best example) and a few others, including Christianity. There are a few advantages to doing so for all involved, generally. It tends to make reviews easier and quicker, can in some cases bring in additional editors to help improve articles more quickly, make it easier to develop new groups, etc. Some of the projects won't need that help, probably including Beer, while others might. If that is the objective here, my guess is that the "healthier" projects will probably be basically left alone, while any potential coordination will be focused on the less healthy projects, portals, etc. That's actually what we're trying to do with the new Christianity coordinators, which include both Tinucherian and me. In that case, we actively solicited for candidates from the "descendant" projects to help coordinate those specific projects' activity, in effect trying to not fix the ones that were working, and if the Food coordinator thing ever is enacted, I think the same thing would probably happen there as well. John Carter (talk) 23:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Dude, I concur with John. As I had told earlier, The idea is to help Wikiprojects. If you and most of the WP:BEER members feels that it doesnt need the help of WP:F&D support and banner, let it be so... No one objects to this ! The only concern is the objection to use F&D banner in beer related articles. Having said that, We have personally experienced the gr8 advantages of intergrated banners especially in assessment and article collabration. Even after having intergated banner you still get BEER specific stats for quality and importance. Btw I am sorry that some of your actions and wordings were discussed in the WP:Council Discussion. Again iterating the fact that it was not my intention, I apologize personally if I have hurt you by my actions in any way. Stay Cool.. Happy Editing and Keep up your good work ! ( Well, I love Beer too) --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) – 05:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Igor, whose brain did you get?
Abby somebody...

Abby who?

Abby Normal, that's it!

Thanks for the Igor tip. I will look at it tomorrow when I can visit it in depth.

Or is it Eye-gor?

And wasn't your hump on the other side yesterday?

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 02:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting Igor on that, it is greatly appreciated. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 20:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

An idea for the tag
I have one last idea for the tag. If you don't like it, I will kill the proposal. I think it works and addresses all of your concerns. It is on the Beer talk page.

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Beer category decision
A discussion has been opened on changes that have been made to the existing Beer category system. The changes reverse the decision made by the Project in April 2006. The changes were based on agreement by only two people, and by a discussion that took place outside the Beer Project. There may be some merit in the changes, and to prevent future conflict it is important that there is some discussion of the matter. If you're interested, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer.  SilkTork  *YES! 14:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

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Beer
What do you suggest?

we're on the same team here, mikebe has an agenda to not include bjcp

A Rochefort 10, perhaps?

Thanks for your note. I hope you understand that I was pretty upset by the completely unprovoked and unjustified personal attack Goethean launched upon me on the beer style talk page and, as a result of that, my wording was not correct. I think the word "to" was missing. Anyhow, thanks. Mikebe (talk) 21:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

User page
I'd be really grateful if you could uh... arrange my user page a bit to look a bit like yours (no much content yet, but that's cos I haven't got the proper format. Of course, if you're short of time,it doesn't matter, or if you just don't want to, I understand ( I get that feeling too). Unfortunately, this is the time of year when I go onto wikipedia about once a month, so if you wish, you can just fiddle with my user page. You don't need too ask my consent. I'll fill in content later. As I said, you are at complete liberty to say no. Either way, thanks.

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Wikiproject.xml
Hello ClockworkSoul,

I recently tried to use your automatically generated list of WikiProjects (wikiproject.xml) for a semi-automated tool that would add articles without project assignments to relevant projects. So, basically, I let the user choose a project from a list, and need to find the corresponding banner template. Your list is really very helpful to that end, and saves a lot of work for me. However, there are also a number of issues which I wanted to let you know about.

First, there are some (minor) technical problems regarding character encoding in the file; I will post these directly on Sourceforge.

Second, the quality of the data is not as high as I hoped it was. Of course, it is difficult to generate a consistent list, given the current state of the project organization; and we definitely need to invest some effort in writing something like WikiProject Council/Technical standards for WikiProjects, carefully but with insistence. Still, these are some problems I ran across:


 * For some projects, no banners are listed although these certainly exist; see for example id=TAMBAYAN_PHILIPPINES (the page name is actually not accurate in the file). Another example is WikiProject Metal; in this specific case, the problem may be that their banner is not in, I will request that.
 * In other cases, multiple non-redirect banners are listed per project (e.g. id=BIOGRAPHY). In this case, the question is, what banner should be used for tagging? For WP Biography, it's easy because I can just take the first one listed, but for id=SONGS this fails.
 * The situation is worse for projects that share their banners with a "parent" project. In this case, one would have to add a parameter to the template for tagging (e.g. ). This information is currently not contained in the file. I admit that it wold be very hard to obtain this info automatically; but for adding project banners to articles, it would be crucial.

I'm not sure whether any of these can reasonably be fixed, but I thought you might be interested anyway. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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Question about official things
Dear ClockworkSoul, I am writing you as a member of the WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology. I am working on the field of chemotaxis and some chemotaxis related articles/stubs and the figures belonging to the text are uploaded by me to the Wiki. As this activity is a very essential part of my professional life – I am a researcher of chemotactic signalling – these keywords (chemotaxis, chemokinesis, haptotaxis, chemoattractant etc.) are made by me and my group not only in English but on more languages (French, Spanish, Hungarian and German). Up to know there was no problem, but last week or so 4 of the keywords were removed withgout any massage, tags etc. from the German Wiki and when I was asking about this an endless correspondence developed, which was finished by me as I think Wiki is not for wars but for building and improving an encyclopedia. Today morning I have found that  some of my figures were tagged to be removed even on the English (Spanish, French, Hungarian) Wiki by a Geman member. (All the images are made by me, there is only one where more than 50 year old photos are used or such ones where I have the right to use it.) What should I do in this case? Who should I contact in such cases? This is very kid-like, nevertheless it destroys our work. I am sorry to disturb you with such a silly thing but I think you have encountered with such problems before. Thanks for your help in advance. Best regards from, Kohlasz (talk) 06:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Community forum
A Community forum has been set up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Article guidelines for the various Food and Drink projects to develop a set of Manual of Style guidelines for use in articles under the auspices of all the related Food and Drink WikiProjects and task forces. This would be similar to the MoS guidelines for biographies or legal articles.

Please feel free to comment.

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Project page redesign, can you please check WP:SFBA
Thanks for the great project design template. I just finished doing a redesign of the WikiProject San Francisco Bay Area's pages based on your design for WP viruses, microbio, etc. I think I got everything squared away (I even worked with User:Hersfold to make a template set for listing project participants pjpt), but when you have a moment could you take a look at the project page to make sure I didn't do anything wrong. -Optigan13 (talk) 10:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Category based Bot Tagging
Hi there, I hope you remember expressing serious concerns regarding category based WikiProject tagging by bots here. I made this FAQ list which tries to answer some of your concerns. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks --  Tinu  Cherian  – 11:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi friend, Let me know why are taking this discussion personal? I have explained it earlier too..I didnt even know you before the discussion. The discussion was discuss what the community thinks of Project Tagging when it overlaps the scope of another project. But [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ATinucherianBot&diff=233555238&oldid=233514915 this] concerns me. You still consider that discussion as "initiated entirely to paint this editor in a bad light" which I completely dont understand why you think so. Since there is some misunderstanding, I appeal to you to discuss each other . Thanks --  Tinu  Cherian  – 07:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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Adopted your user page template and have a question or two...
Hello Mr. Soul, I have used your template (fabulous template, btw) on my user page. I have yet to edit much of it and this is on-going.

One particular issue I am having is with the bottom section (where your "Barnstarium" is located). I've utilized it to display the states I have visited, but if you view the page you will see that the "edit" link that should be in the lower right corner of the section is actually displayed outside the section altogether.

I've pondered a solution to this but I'm not the programming expert I need to be in this case. I'd appreciate your input on this as well as your overall thoughts on the page so far.

I'm trying to learn how MediaWiki and, more specifically, Wikipedia ticks. How it does some of the things it does (templates, infoboxen, etc., etc., etc.) is fascinating to me. I only wish someone could/would box up a snapshot of Wikipedia's underlying code (the templates space, for instance) and make it available for others to poke around in on their own test sites.

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Greetings and quick question
Dear Mr. Soul,

We have exchenged two messages three years ago and i hope you are well.

Long story short, it has been so long since I edited anything but I would like to start again and I would like to translate the Egnlish page of Francis Bacon (painter) into Chinese which I shall be capable of doing, language wise. However, I have not found any directions regarding translating English page into another language, hence, I'm here writing on you talk page asking for help.

Thank you for your time and I hope you are still the man you were (nice and helpful).

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German bread consumption
Some years ago, you voiced some doubt as to wether germans can eat as much bread as the article claimed. Well, I was bored and did some research: It seems as if they eat twice as much. --83.171.183.254 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC).
 * My goodness: I wrote that request more than two years ago. Good work, and thanks! – ClockworkSoul 22:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Attic and Attic Greek
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Confused!
I woke up this morning and felt like I was in "Alice in Wonderland"! When we had discussed the bjcp last August, I was very impressed by you. You supported inclusion of the link, but because the consensus was to exclude it, you, without question, said, OK, we won't include it. That incident remains for me an example of how WP should work, but often does not.

I have always supported WP:RS. As virtually all editors pointed out in the August discussion, the bjcp style guideline varied from reality in the European beer world. Has that changed?

You wrote "The user Mikebe is a rabid critic of the BJCP, and in the two years that he has been editing has fought fiercely to exclude any reference to it from beer-related articles." This was written by the same ClockworkSoul from last August?

If you have been watching the beer style article, you know that two (?) users starting reverting the bjcp link several weeks after our discussion ended. They were reverted by several other editors, including me. They have since been accused of being sockpuppets (Suspected sock puppets/96.247.37.61 (3rd)) and trolls (Wikiquette alerts. You will note that neither report was filed by me. One of them (?) has now started leaving notes on my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMikebe&diff=258450769&oldid=257671685

And finally, let's take a look at how this recent discussion on the talk page started: Template:RFCecon list You will note that the editor who posted that wrote: "Issue has been discussed at length multiple times in the past but no consensus has been reached." Is that true? As the person who made the decision that consensus had been reached, don't you find that a "bad faith" statement? He also wrote: "One external site in particular has been advocated by several editors but strongly opposed by two." Is that true? Let's see: Silktork, KillingVector, Ron Pattinson, Dunkelweizen, Stlemur and I all opposed the link. Is that two? Another bad faith statement.

Is my faith in you now misplaced? I hope not because you were one of the few editors here who didn't let POV influence their decisions. And, unfortunately, there are not many editors like that. Mikebe (talk) 10:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I agree that WP is a wonderful concept, however, I have seen too often how it can fail. Goethean, for example, had been stalking and insulting Ron Pattinson and me for about two years and nothing was ever done about it until I contacted an administrator who looked into it (I still don't know what was done, but Goethean hasn't done anything in the beer section for several months, so I hope he's been banned). The two (or one) trolls on the beer style article have been at it since 2 Sept. and nothing has been done to them yet. When you determined that I was violating the 3rr rule, within a day you put in a user check on me. Working to improve a project shouldn't mean having to spend 50 percent of your time defending yourself or arguing with people who don't know what they are talking about.


 * When I first came here two years ago, I was pretty shocked by how bad some of the articles were. It wasn't a lack of information, it was inaccurate information. Much of that inaccuracy came because the writers only could read English. The bjcp was, to a great degree, responsible for and the source of that inaccurate information. That is why I have been a "rabid" critic of the bjcp. It is only since I read Kristen's message that I understand that the goal of the bjcp style guide is not to represent the real world of beer, but a simplified version for the home-brewing contests. Making their simplified version of the styles available on the Internet for anyone to read is, in my view, a big mistake. Making them available here would be even worse because WP would seem to accept them as accurate.


 * Anyhow. I see that I have been cleared in the user check. May I ask why you never came to me and asked why I am so critical of the bjcp? Wouldn't that have solved several problems long ago?


 * I know two American beer writers, both very well known in the US (AFAIK), who I met on their travels in Europe. Both of them told me that they had started contributing here but left because of constantly having to fight with people who always seemed to know better then them. The beer portal is poorer because of this. And the beer articles will never improve until people like Goethean, Philosofool and Mwalimu59 are controlled better by the administration here. Contributing should not have to feel like fighting. Mikebe (talk) 14:46, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Howdy
Thanks for the comment. I've been trying to keep cool over this, I apologize if I've taken it to excess. This little edit war between Spotfixer and myself is highly unproductive and perhaps a little pathetic on both our parts. Unfortunately I don't think either one of us is going to win the other over and we'll probably just keep fighting until then. I don't know too much about the admin side of Wikipedia but is there any where the two of us could go to get a third party ruling on which version on the edits should stay? Would the Mediation Committee be an appropriate place for this? - Schrandit (talk) 05:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for that advice, I've looked over the Dispute resolution page and am optimistic for the future. - Schrandit (talk) 05:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Beer style page
How do I know you were referring to me? Here: Requests for checkuser/Case/Mikebe Secondly, you refer me to good faith, but may I remind you that I gave all my reasons for excluding the bjcp in August when we last had this very same discussion. So, I will ask you: is it good faith to write "The user Mikebe is a rabid critic of the BJCP, and in the two years that he has been editing has fought fiercely to exclude any reference to it from beer-related articles." when four months earlier I had explained quite rationally why the bjcp does not belong on an encyclopedia site?

About what I wrote: I have written at least four times that the bjcp clearly falls under WP:LINKSTOAVOID and not once has anyone contradicted me. This indicates to me that no one disagrees with this. So, I will remove the bjcp link.

When a site so clearly violates WP policies, I don't understand why there is a discussion. Either it violates it or not, and this case seems very clear to me.

Also, I want you to know that I don't dislike the bjcp, it's just that they are so clearly unsuited for an encyclopedia that is based on fact or verifiable fact. And I don't dislike you either! Mikebe (talk) 16:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean that I am going to immediately delete the bjcp link. I'll wait a few days for a response from you. Mikebe (talk) 16:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Happy new Headcheese!- hexa Chord 2 02:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Assigned reading
I would strongly recommend that you learn other languages -- you'll probably find Dutch, German and Czech the most important for beer. Then you can learn the truth about beer instead of the fiction written in the brewers guide books. Since the bjcp guide probably uses those books as source, it proves how inaccurate they are. Once you've learned Dutch, I strongly recommend the books written by Jef van den Steen on Belgian beer. They are really excellent and cover the Trappists, abbey and geuze/kriek each in a separate book. Good luck with your exams. Mikebe (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * By not learning other languages, you limit yourself pretty severely in the beer world. As I have said before the home brewers series is a very unreliable source for information about European beers, even those books written by people born in the country they are writing about. Nevertheless, the best English-language books about Belgian beer are written by a British guy named Tim Webb. He sells his books as well as some other books published by CAMRA here: http://www.booksaboutbeer.com/ Most of the CAMRA books are basically pub guides, so the information about general beer topics is somewhat limited. I have Tim's Belgian guide and there are several pages on Belgian beer styles and a bit of history which are quite good. Ron Pattinson is also a good source (though not on paper). He writes a blog about British beer styles and history here: http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/ and he has a lot of good, solid information about European beers here: http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/#generalarticles. If you could read even a little Dutch, you could enjoy my favourite Belgian beer blog: http://blog.seniorennet.be/bierblog/ The more you learn about the history of European beers, the more your mind will open about beer and you will start to forget about such things as styles, style guides, bjcp, ratebeer, etc. Believe me. Mikebe (talk) 10:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I forgot: thanks for putting in the google translate links on the beer style article. I had thought of that myself, but didn't know how to do it. Mikebe (talk) 10:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you don't like my "tone" but this guy is acting like a troll and you should really speak with him as well. He is not reading the discussion, only trying to defend the bjcp and ignoring the agreements made. Why don't you have a word with him? Mikebe (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)