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 * Super happy you stopped by the Teahouse. I hope Bilby's response was helpful (it was for me!). I love seeing people cite offline content - as a researcher by trade I do it a lot, and it's funny how many Wikipedians you will meet that never use books or newspapers anymore unless they are online :) Talk to you soon! SarahStierch (talk) 22:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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 * I've since noticed the related edits at Edwin Alderson. Note that the reference provided there confirms Carlstadt was renamed to Alderson, but it does not confirm it was renamed after Edwin Alderson. Hwy43 (talk) 04:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Kitchener / Stalin
Conspiracy theories: Unlikelihood of Kitchener being (as rumoured) same man as Stalin. - How terribly disappointing! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Shropshire
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De Gaulle's Homes in England - News Citation
I have been using a citation to a Shropshire newspaper story about De Gaulle's death, whose most relevant sub-report was headlined "The year of exile in Salop" (referring to period 1940-41), in reference to his England exile during the Second World War in his biographical article and articles on places referred to in that report. I would like to assure French readers and users that in this context "Salop" is both an abbreviative and colloquial (non-obscene) term for the county name of Shropshire.Cloptonson (talk) 21:51, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

1st Marquess of Cambridge - Help Wanted With Citation
I have four times cited details, that I added to Lord Cambridge's biographical article, to his sketch in Kelly's Handbook to the Titled, Landed and Official Classes, 1926, on page 333 of that work. There seems to be a stubborn refusal to accept condensations of the citation after the initial reference, condemning me to write it in full each time and create four identical footnotes where one could suffice. The citation I would like to condense reads (I have spaced out the punctuation marks and words with dashes): <-ref-name-=-Kelly's->-{-{-cite-book-|-Kelly's-Handbook-of-the-Titled-,-Landed-,-and-Official-Classes-,-1926-|-publisher-=Kelly's-|-page-=-333-}-}-<-/-ref-> Cloptonson (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Commonwealth War Graves in Hove
Hi Cloptonson. In relation to Hove Cemetery, I will rewrite that section of Cemeteries and crematoria in Brighton and Hove tomorrow to make it clearer. The cemetery does indeed have two sections (split by the Old Shoreham Road), and they were laid out roughly 40 years apart, but in practice they are treated as a single entity now. From memory, I think my sources confirm what yours says about the positions of the War Graves (WWI and WWII in the old (south) section, WWII only in the new (north) section). Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!)  22:42, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for noticing. Having never been north of Dundee, I was not aware of the possibility of there being more than one Berriedale.  Because of the 'old' county location being in Caithness (mentioned in his sketch in The Complete Peerage), I have amended the link to connect it with the article on "Berriedale, Highland".  (In his lifetime, the Highland Region, created 1974, did not exist in local government.)Cloptonson (talk) 19:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * I have left notice in the Talk page that it remains to be ascertained which canonised English King Edward the church was actually dedicated to.Cloptonson (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Toowong Cemetery
Hi there, you asked a question about how many Commonwealth War Burials there are in Toowong Cemetery. I am only guessing that there are less than 400 based on the size of the dedicated area for military graves at Toowong. You could try the "Friends of Toowong Cemetery". They may be able to help further. http://www.toowong.cemetery.org.au/  Rocketrod1960 (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * It remains for me to ascertain whether the place is Old Alresford or New Alresford. Perhaps a home address given in Who's Who or Crockford's may settle the matter. Bear with me.Cloptonson (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have checked his entry in Crockford's (1986) but unfortunately, his personal address ends simply "Alresford, Hampshire". A user familiar with that area might be better placed to find out - his ashes are due to be buried at Alresford (where his wife is already buried) on 4 August.  By time of his death he moved again, to Blackwater IOW (Who's Who 2012).Cloptonson (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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1745 Jacobite Rebellion casualties
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Birkenhead
Just wanted to say thanks for all of the work you put into FE Smith's page earlier this year. MyNameIsGeorgeNathanielCurzon (talk) 18:00, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Friendly Fire: Second Battle of the Marne took place in June 1916?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Marne_%281918%29

The Second Battle of the Marne took place in July 15, not June 16. Plus, the link you put out is dead. Article by Shropshire Regimental Museum XXzoonamiXX (talk) 04:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I shall check this.Cloptonson (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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WikiSnap Challenge
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Wikipedia is holding a contest called the WikiSnap Challenge The goal of this drive is to eliminate poor stub articles with not so much as a picture or info box. The contest starts on the 3rd of April and continues until a winner is declared.

Awards will be given out for all participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the contest. Thanks. Fremantle99 (talk) 06:59, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Mdash
Please note per MOS:EMDASH, mdashes are not spaced. DrKiernan (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you - point taken.Cloptonson (talk) 05:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * where permanent maintenance by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission could be assured,

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 * parish runs the A41 that is built upon a Roman Road linking the fort of Mediolanum (Whitchurch) to Pennocrucium ([[Stretton, Staffordshire|

Rugeley
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To Chris troutman
I respectfully wonder why you consider Find-a-Grave to be an unreliable source as citation for the death by friendly fire of Lt Col Cuthbert Brooke-Smith during the Mau Mau Uprising? FAG is a widely cited site in Wikipedia - more noticeable in pages on cemeteries and crematoria like Golders Green Crematorium. The FAG page for Brooke-Smith has the most detailed account I have found yet on the incident and for want of finding alternative internet articles of similar detail I used this in citation in good faith as evidence for his existence and the incident. (I also checked he was not already the subject of a page in his own right.) That said, I usually do not cite FAG pages if I can avoid it because of the length and complexity of their URLs. Cloptonson (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * On a lark I started reviewing your talk page after only to find this message. Per WP:ECHO, if you wanted my attention use replyto or ping as I have here. I had no idea you had a question for me. You would've done well to contact me on my talk page, as I'm not watching your talk page. If I hadn't contacted you on your talk page, why would I be watching it?
 * In answer to your question, no crowd-sourced references (including Wikipedia, Find a Grave, and IMDB) can be considered reliable. Reliability is inferred when there's editorial control like a newspaper or magazine. Some editors refuse college campus papers because they doubt the editorial control of a bunch of kids is sufficient. Yes, a lot of people use these websites as sources because of the utility of it. That doesn't make it ok. Our reliable sources noticeboard has repeatedly discussed Find-a-Grave (here, here, and here, among others) and the consensus has always been against using it. There have been plenty of books and academic writing on the Mau Mau rebellion, so I relying on find-a-grave is probably unnecessary. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I wrote this before I came upon some of the explanations linked, but left this question standing because of my intrigue that nothing seemed to have been done against more noticeable use of FAG in some cemetery articles. Thank you for your explanations.  To date I have come across accounts of his death in Shropshire newspaper articles and a book on Shropshire war memorials (he is commemorated in Church Stretton) but they lack the detail the FAG had.Cloptonson (talk) 07:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

last surviving veterans
Hello Cloptonson, your recent edits on the List of last surviving veterans of military insurgencies and wars page have really helped with the content and to clean up the article. I hope you can utilize my userpage as a future resource, as it contains a list of all the last veterans of many wars/conflicts/battles/or combat groups that I am aware of. I know I have not included their links on my page but I can easily put them up or hand them over when and if you need them. (Lemunz (talk) 07:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC))

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Hi Cloptonson!

Thank you for your edit on the Brian Duncan Shaw article. I would like to ask you, where did you found that he was appointed CBE? I did copied the Infobox from Martyn Poliakoff, who received this distinction, and edited it, leaving some commented information from Sir Poliakoff. I was wondering if this may have confused you or you found some extra information I don't have.

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 * Thorm-bjkp55, I have checked over the article references and found nothing to show he received the Order of the British Empire in any grade, so I have withdrawn it for want of evidence. I had been adding some postnominals to other centenarians' articles where they were mentioned in the text or infobox but not in the introductory line.Cloptonson (talk) 19:39, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * It appears he is probably the first Polish born Polish person to be a member of the UK Parliament. (Already we have had MPs who were/are second-generation people of Polish descent - Jewish usually - in Parliament, such as Emanuel Shinwell and, today, Ed Milliband.Cloptonson (talk) 08:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, please note that the above article follows a consistent format for the references. Your references broke that consistency. I also don't feel it relevant to add a small stubby line saying he lived briefly in a small town where he made no notable performances. For those reasons, I have reverted you. Feel free to discuss matters on the article talk page if you feel so strongly. Thanks.  Cassianto Talk   21:39, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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Records of members of parliament of the United Kingdom
Just a quick glance at the history of this page revealed to me that you have a long-lasting association with it. An idea came to me about a new entry to it: Members who had been knighted before entering the House. As you will most likely know, at any given time, most -if not all- knights sitting on the House of Commons were knighted because of their distinguished parliamentary career. In the current session, the only two people to have been knighted before being elected to the House are Sir Paul Beresford (who became a knight for services to the City of London during his time as a borough councillor) and Sir Keir Starmer (for his tenure as Director of Public Prosecutions). This is very uncommon and, I believe, it would be very interesting to try and find these few notables. Some that come to mind are Sir Arnold Wilson, Sir Michael Foster and Sir Hedworth Meux. What do you think?--The Theosophist (talk) 05:23, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I do not think it is historically so rare for MPs to be ready-knighted although it is rare in the present day, usually because of the younger age at which so many MPs enter Parliament for the first time and (some sport stars apart) the greater age at which men are usually knighted - primarily MPs for county seats were chosen from knights (hence Knight of the Shire). There would have to be a cut-off point.Cloptonson (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It is not age that has made it more rare, but tĥe fact that most new MPs are nothing more than senior party members before election. Think of it, when someone is knighted before entering the House, this (most likely) means that he excelled in a field other than politics (e.g. science, law or the military). This has been much less common nowadays. On the other hand, before the 19th century, people would be knighted because of their power (not that I disagree, it was another era, after all), so there was always the occasional knight who had not really done anything. I believe that the cut-off point should be 1801.--The Theosophist (talk) 06:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I would recommend airing such a proposal in the talk page of the article itself so that other editors, particular those who impress me as being its 'elder statesmen', have a chance to comment as to whether that is the way they want to see the article go and invite help if they are interested. I only started to contribute to the article about 2 years ago and it never occurred to me to start a category about honours, as I saw the article as being about demographic factors (sex and age, deaths), physical attributes and parliamentary service and election achievements. I am about to make a new category section suggestion myself (husband and wife sets of MPs).Cloptonson (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have, after announcing it in the talk page, created the section on Husband and Wife MPs, giving contenders for first couple sets (successive and concurrent), longest service of MPs as couple and greatest collective years of service in the Commons, and longest span of service. If you see any grounds for corrections you are welcome to make them. I have yet to find a couple who married when both were serving as MPs.Cloptonson (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that there has been no instance of same-sex civil partners both serving in the House, right? Also, what about parent-child sets of MPs? There are a few that come to mind like Stephen Kinnock, Victoria Prentis, Ben Gummer, Bernard Jenkin, Nick Hurd, Robin Walker, Francis Maude and David Prior. Of course, this would be huge and should, also, have a cut-off point.--The Theosophist (talk) 09:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, as far as Kinnock is concerned, is it safe to assume that he is the first MP married to a foreign head of state or government?--The Theosophist (talk) 09:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Taking points in turn:
 * No, not yet at any rate.
 * UPDATE: I have discovered Angela Eagle has a civil partner (not an MP).Cloptonson (talk) 20:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There is, I have discovered, a good and growing list article List of political families in the United Kingdom, which makes the need for such a list in Records of members of parliament of the United Kingdom redundant. (I have added at least one family to it, and consulted its list of married couple politicians (towards end of article) to inform the cases I have put in the latter article.
 * This list is missing many, many families. I may improve it a bit in the future.--The Theosophist (talk) 05:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, think of that: this list is about families many members of which became politicians. My examples above are just parent-child relations with no other family member leading a notable political career. These would most likely not fit this list and would warrant the creation of a new list.--The Theosophist (talk) 05:08, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My feeling is that the list of political families is a better way forward for listing all occurrences of parent-child, sibling sets of MPs. However there is merit in having a section in Records of members of parliament on "Sibling Sets of MPs" that demonstrates, in the spirit of a collection of records rather than an "all and sundry" list, factors such as:
 * Largest (number wise) set(s) of siblings MPs. Pairs are commonplace, have there been, say, more than three brothers?
 * Collective service years given by set of siblings to the Commons.
 * Longest concurrent/successive service span of sibling MPs.
 * Mixed sex sibling sets.
 * Longest representation of a constituency by a successive set of sibling MPs (a factor common in the days of 'pocket boroughs' and when two-member seats were the standard).
 * Siblings currently serving together.
 * Half-siblings could also be looked at (example the Hogg-Marjoribanks pair.) Burke's Peerage would make a good starting point for looking up sibling MPs within families, as service as an M.P. is routinely declared.Cloptonson (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Following on, I realize that mother-daughter and sister sets of MPs have been so rare in our history they could be listed appropriately under the "Women" section of the page. Leave the brothers to have their section.Cloptonson (talk) 05:13, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Kinnock junior is first MP married to a foreign head of government (Prime Minister of Denmark, whose head of state is a monarch).
 * Generally speaking, I added the section on records relating to Husband-Wife sets of MPs as what I saw as a logical follow on from the section relating to women MPs.Cloptonson (talk) 18:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

By the way, I think that Tulip Siddiq is the first descendant of a modern foreign head of state to be elected to the House of Commons, no?--The Theosophist (talk) 05:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Her forebear (an uncle rather than direct ancestor) was head of state of an initial provisional government in Bangladesh but then apparently served as Prime Minister (head of government) when a state president had been elected. (I remember Mujib's face and name in our news in the 70s - never did I know one of his family would be in our parliament...)Cloptonson (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was not Siddiq′s uncle but her maternal grandfather. Sheikh Hasina is her aunt.--The Theosophist (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I stand corrected. I misread the article, whose text was not always easy on the sight.Cloptonson (talk) 19:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Should we also create an LGBT section?--The Traditionalist (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This question is best put out in the talk page of this article, to see what consensus there is in response. Personally, I would not bother starting one because indisputably known homosexual MPs or bisexual MPs are possibly an understatement, given that homosexual acts between men were punishable offences in Britain into the 1960s so there were a possible number 'in the closet'. I cannot see any potential record in the category other than first openly gay (those who voluntarily declared themselves in public and those whose homosexuality was forced into the open by being wanted or prosecuted for homosexual offences, traditionally termed 'sodomy') first openly bisexual, and first transgender. Then there are those who became seriously suspected of homosexuality posthumously as a result of modern scholarship.Cloptonson (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * , why is anybody's sexuality worthy of a separate section all of its own? More to the point, who really cares which side of the church they sing on?  Cassianto Talk   21:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you can say that for every section of the article. If the sexuality is not worthy, then why the gender is? Or the religion? Or the family relation? --The Traditionalist (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, mostly. Religion is certainly not relevant. Why don't we go the whole hog and differentiate between vegetarians and carnivores; smokers and non-smokers; cyclists and car drivers?   Cassianto Talk   22:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Religion is relevant. When you stress religion or ethnic background in such a list, you show the role minorities played, play and will play in politics. Moreover, these are social subjects and thus important in a person′s political career. Smoking is more personal.--The Traditionalist (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S.
 * Of course matters of sexuality are of a more personal nature, but when people make them public (“come out”) they become social on the spot.--The Traditionalist (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * We are in the 21st century. I don't see why people feel as if they have to "come out"? Who really cares? If someone decides that they are gay, why do they feel the need to broadcast it to the world? The world no longer cares.  In this day and age, people should feel as if they can just get on with life and form relationships with whoever they want, without having to make such a song and dance about it.  Such a display of "look at me, I'm gay" is dated, boring and nothing new in my opinion. For that reason, I'd say this is irrelevant to this article.    Cassianto Talk   23:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If you really want to discuss this, you can send an e-mail to Sir Alan Duncan. The fact that it does happen is encyclopedic, whether you like that it happens or not.--The Traditionalist (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * And I would like to add that this is your personal view and it is not based on Wikipedia policy.--The Traditionalist (talk) 23:52, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That has to be the most ridiculous thing I have heard today! Congratulations!   Cassianto Talk   23:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You are arguing with someone called “The Traditionalist”. What did you expect?--The Traditionalist (talk) 00:02, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Whose arguing? And why do you assume I am? Do you not know the difference between a discussion and an argument?   Cassianto Talk   00:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Why do so many people always take “argument” as a synonym for “quarrel”? The main definiton for this word is “A fact or statement used to support a proposition; a reason.” . Are you not using statements to support propositions?--The Traditionalist (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank god I've got people like you to teach me the definitions of everyday words.   Cassianto Talk   00:19, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If you do not want them to do that, do not make accusations.--The Traditionalist (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * When I want your advice I'll ask for it; until then, carry on talking in gibberish and providing an answer for the sake of providing an answer, without it making much sense at all. Your responses now have deviated so much off of the initial subject and into the world of incoherent bullshit that I've now lost interest. This will be my last post so don't bother to ping me as I shall ignore you.   Cassianto Talk   06:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Should reference be made to the peculiar case of Sir Edward Greene, 1st Baronet and Sir Raymond Greene, 2nd Baronet, a father-son set where the son was elected to Parliament before the father?--The Traditionalist (talk) 23:38, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I had not contemplated collecting incidents of sons entering the Commons ahead of fathers, but as they are not commonplace in comparison to sons following fathers, that may be worth putting in as unusual.Cloptonson (talk) 21:28, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, Cloptonson. You know, I have not forgotten our conversation a couple of weeks ago about whether William Hazlitt should be categorized as an "English Unitarian". I have never thought much about the criteria for categorization, but you raised an interesting question. You wrote: "Did not realize he had renounced his faith neither did I know the list would have excluded defectors from it." At the time, I thought, that's right, he was a defector, so he shouldn't have been listed. While I still believe this to be the case, it also occurred to me that I don't know that I ever really read any Wikipedia rules or guidelines about such matters.

So, having a bit more free time than usual over the holidays, I just looked around and found this, which I point out as an FYI. In WP:CAT/R: "For a dead person, there must be a verified consensus of reliable published sources that the description is appropriate." And in WP:BLPCAT: "Categories regarding religious beliefs (or lack of such) ... should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief ... in question, and the subject's beliefs ... are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources."

I'm not sure that these guidelines are always correctly followed, but they are something to keep in mind. An example would be the contrast between the writers Alexander Pope and James Joyce. Pope was born and died in the Catholic Church, so it is more appropriate to include him under the category "English Roman Catholics". I can still see how some might argue against it, as he didn't to my knowledge write anything specifically Catholic in nature, it was not part of his "notability"; nevertheless, he was identified consistently as a Catholic. Joyce, on the other hand, was known as a "lapsed" Catholic (though some have disputed that), and he is, correctly in my opinion, not included among "Irish Roman Catholics". Regarding Hazlitt, "reliable published sources" certainly do not assert any more than that he was influenced by his father (though not in any specifically Unitarian way) and by what he learned in a Unitarian college; neither do they claim that Unitarianism had anything to do with Hazlitt's notability as a writer. I am sharing these thoughts now because I see that you are serious about your Wikipedia contributions, and thinking further about this might be of some interest to you. Again, I'm sure that categorization has not always been consistent, and there is no doubt much that could be disputed in many instances. I am just "thinking out loud" about all this. Have a Happy New Year! Regards, Alan W (talk) 07:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

John Hick
Thank-you for spotting those headings.81.149.141.199 (talk) 20:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Anglesey churches
Hello, I've spotted that you've added one-sentence sections entitled "churchyard" to various articles about Anglesey churches. Please don't do this. MOS:PARAGRAPHS says "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text; ... Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading;..." It would be better just to work the mention of a war grave into an appropriate point in the existing text. And it would be helpful if you could make your references follow the existing format, per WP:CITEVAR. Thanks, BencherliteTalk 20:16, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you - good guidance. The format I have used for citation links to the CWGC has been my accustomed way, on which no one has previously picked me up, in articles elsewhere, but it is not immediately clear to me (yet - it may be later on if I have time to re-read it) from WP:CITEVAR how its preferred method could be applied.Cloptonson (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Whitchurch Alport F.C.
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Andrew Plimer Comment
I noted your comment on Plimer's talk page. In fact the online DNB states Wellington, Shropshire, after Chapter 2 of Williamson's study, (1903). Will you update the article?. Kind regards. Apwoolrich (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have just consulted the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (hard copy). I will update the details. I have also checked Douglas J. Elliott's well researched work, Shropshire Clock and Watchmakers (1979) to find that Nathaniel, their father, a clockmaker, is recorded as working in Shropshire in Wellington and area with dates of 1750 to 1783. Andrew's name does not appear although he trained as a clockmaker himself.Cloptonson (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Shrewsbury College of Arts and Technology
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Instead of

could you put something like:

The easiest way to do this is to use Cite > Templates > Cite Web and then just fill in whichever fields are applicable. This will create a citation that looks like this:

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Age differences,outgoing and succeeding monarchs
You added this category to the List of UK monarchy records but I believe you got it wrong...it appears from the List of British monarchs by longevity that the age difference between George II and his grandson George III was actually a day or two longer than that between Edward III and Richard II.(I didn't check the number of leap years).

What about reverse age difference (e.g. David II and Robert II of Scotland)?--L.E./12.144.5.2 (talk) 03:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I had overlooked these two Georges, I happily accept correction. I did not study the Scottish kings hence my appeal for other users to check there.Cloptonson (talk) 05:19, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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St Bart's, Tong
Thanks for your patient work on this. I had a go at adding to the history and widening the sources fairly recently, so it was very much in need of a good proof read. Sjwells53 (talk) 22:17, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I was pleased to see someone has been able to start an article on the church in its own right, after comments I made on the talk page of the village article.Cloptonson (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Dame Vera Lynn
Hi Cloptonson. I read on one of the local newspaper sites today (either the Argus or Brighton and Hove News) that it was Woodvale Crematorium, which is the main one of the two. Tomorrow I will check which site it was and will add something to the Woodvale section accordingly (also to the Dame Vera Lynn article if appropriate). Cheers, <b style="color: #00BFFF;">Hassocks</b> 5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * While you're at it, if someone else hasn't got there first, you could also write the crematorium's identity into the Vera Lynn article under section Death.Cloptonson (talk) 06:09, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've updated both articles using a BBC News reference. Cheers, <b style="color: #00BFFF;">Hassocks</b> 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  11:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

List of footballers killed during World War II
Please stop adding unsourced entries, that's three I've seen you add in the past few days, one of which I referenced for you... GiantSnowman 21:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please allow me time to input sources; when I work between articles I usually add the information in size suitable for the article I am editing, THEN copy in the citation. I may not be as nippy with my copy and paste techniques as others; who condemns a building before the builder is given time to put the roof on the walls? I thank you for adding the source to Julius Hirsch as I had copied citations but did not paste them when I saw (and was pleased with) what you had already done.Cloptonson (talk) 21:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have again had to a reference for you. There is no excuse saying you were going to add it in a later edit, you MUST include the source in the edit when you add the information, that is basic stuff. GiantSnowman 20:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is no lie - I did go to Eddy Hamel's article to copy a citation and was going to paste in the entry I had just done when I found someone else - you it turns out - had already put it in. For this I sincerely thank you. Please be magnanimous to people who may not be as quick and efficient in their technique as you are but who at heart do share the same interest in wanting to build an interesting article. I am sure we are on the same side in this regard. In your shoes I would have been generous and allowed, say 24 hours for a citation to be added before taking steps to delete it and criticise it as unreferenced. I do not want to be in an edit war or race with anybody. Copying and pasting is something I find painstaking enough without being made nervous with fears that during the time I turn out to take some other and less patient user might totally rub out the information I was intending to add the citation to. In short I ask please don't be too quick on the draw, your recent interventions (leaving apart your agreement that the nationalities should be alphabetically arranged)− left me feeling 'shot on sight'. For all you may know I may be in a different physical condition and age (I am 61 and a medication controlled epileptic) to yourself. You are clearly a user who seems confident enough to do everything in one go, not everybody else is but the point is -THEY GET THERE. It is ironic we are discussing these things when we have been editing an article relating to a war supposedly caused by a few men who were notoriously intolerant of people of other abilities and thought the place in the sun belonged to them alone.Cloptonson (talk) 21:10, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As I have said - you must include the source at the same time as you make the edit. All you need to do is add the reference before you hit 'publish changes', what is so difficult about that? GiantSnowman 19:29, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Apologies
Just to send a quick courtesy apology for reverting you on Charlie Napier unnecessarily. The change did need to be put back as I found no evidence to support it, but was a single-edit IP who actually made the change and you just tidied it up in good faith, so there was no need on my part to revert you (as it didn't revert the IP anyway) which in my own experience can sometimes be irritating when it appears on your page. So sorry if that was the case here. Crowsus (talk) 14:25, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

 * Thank you. BTW, did you put a Service Award logo in my User Page? It looks as if a corrective tweak may be in order as it is not displaying properly.Cloptonson (talk) 07:06, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't put a service award logo on your user page. Lettlerhello • contribs 02:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I only assumed you did - it can't have been me because I have put no illustrations into my user page for years. Leaves me baffled who to ask.Cloptonson (talk) 05:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Awards
I never put anything on your page Mr Hall of England (talk) 21:44, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Local_Embassy#Frans_Alfred_Meeng_-_can_someone_translate_his_service_details_from_Dutch? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteelerFan1933 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes please. I would also welcome a translation for the apparent rank description 'Gep. Elt." in connection with the Eddy de Neve who is subject of the page from the Dutch war graves website: https://www.oorlogsgravenstichting.nl/persoon/109570/eduard-karel-alexander-de-neve . This man is a likely candidate for the Eddy de Neve who was the first player to score a goal as a Dutch football international.Cloptonson (talk) 20:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Clops. I reckon Edouard Van Brandt is a strong candidate for your deaths in WWII list. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:09, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you but a general google turned up a (translated) Dutch language blogspot article, which does not mention if he did any military service. The writer stated that according to Van Brandt's family, his death in Antwerp was due to a ruptured stomach caused by a football game injury. More investigation needed, I could not find an article in Dutch wikipedia.Cloptonson (talk) 18:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I notice his article in French wikipedia says he was 'killed during the conflict' but the citation used does not indicate the cause or place of his death.Cloptonson (talk) 09:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thank you but I notice you require respondents to be US residents, which I never have been.Cloptonson (talk) 06:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

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Are you close?
Thanks for tweaks. "She had a tomb erected in Montgomery church where her husband was buried in 1600." ... know anyone who could get a picture? Happy new year. Victuallers (talk) 09:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Victuallers - You are aware there is a picture of the tomb (albeit an 18th century engraving) in the article on Richard Herbert, Lord of Cherbury. I have no camera so could not take a photo although I have visited Montgomery Church recently.Cloptonson (talk) 13:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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George Boscawen, 9th Viscount Falmouth died on 3 March 2022 according to Wikipedia. Is that vandalism? Or did he really die? How can we find out? He was over 100 years old so it is very plausible that he died. Charliestalnaker (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I know no source of this and I did not think it vandalism. Look out for obituaries from papers like the Times or Daily Telegraph.Cloptonson (talk) 07:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I wrote to The Guardian and they said that he is a private person so they will not be publishing an obituary. However, they didn't confirm to me that he is actually dead.
 * This concerns me because we have no proof that Lord Falmouth is dead. Saying a living person is dead is wicked Wikipedia vandalism. Saying he is alive if he is dead is also vandalism. What should we do? I don't think a "(1919-possibly 2022 and possibly still living)" is a good solution?
 * ANI is very fickle. Report it there and you might be punished. Not a clear case of AIV Charliestalnaker (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would be less inclined to consult The Guardian, my reading experience shows the Daily Telegraph and Times have apparently more propensity to publish obituaries/death notices of British aristocrats, especially politically Conservative ones. Another likely source could be Cornish newspapers.Cloptonson (talk) 17:54, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

List of footballers killed during World War II
Good morning to you, from Portugal,

please read my reply to you at WP:FOOTY, if i get the gist correctly this list is only supposed to contain "personnel" whose (manner of) death is uncertain/unreferenced, at least regarding their connection with their respective country's military forces and/or demise. If so, my addition of Alexandre Villaplane was not 100% correct, since those aforementioned topics are sources in his article.

Continue the good work, take care and sorry for any (possible) inconvenience! --193.137.135.2 (talk) 09:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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Leonard Arthur Bethell
Thanks for your thorough reading and useful changes to the Bethell article. Re the “buried in Craven Arms“ point, I have contacted the church just now, and they were very helpful and say they will get back to me within a week or so if they can find him in the burial records. The reason I know he is buried in Craven Arms is the daughter left a biographical note, which is in possession of the current family - but I was nervous of using that as a reference because I would be told off for 'primary material'. What do you think? Charles.bowyer (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I understand published evidence is preferably welcomed, I wonder if there was a newspaper obituary of him mentioning his funeral? Cloptonson (talk) 16:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)(talk) 16:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have one obituary from the Gurkha times - unfortunately it doesn't mention burial place. It looks like the Shropshire local papers can only be seen in Shropshire, so I will have to wait for the reply from the church. Charles.bowyer (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I wonder if the church magazine mentioned it, if there is an archive of these. Back then, those for parishes in my area of Shropshire were commercially printed by a Shrewsbury firm called Wilding's - what of Craven Arms area, I wonder. The Shropshire Archives at Shrewsbury might also be a helpful go-to. They may not have the relevant newspaper files but they may know a place that has. In 1950 the Shrewsbury Chronicle (still in print) had a wide circulation and coverage area in the county as far south as Craven Arms and Ludlow, likewise the Wellington Journal and Shrewsbury News (printed at Wellington, now part of Telford) which was in circulation until the early 60s.Cloptonson (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - my problem is that these need to be done in Shropshire / Shrewsbury - and it will be a while before I can go there. I will wait and hope for the Church answer ! Charles.bowyer (talk) 11:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have an email from the Churchwarden at St. Swithin's Church, Clunbury, saying that Bethell is in their burial record, 1950. (I can send the email if wanted). Do you think that will be adequate for the reference ? Charles.bowyer (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The question is best put out to the Wikipedia community rather than just myself (lack experience to qualify me to comment) about acceptability for publication by Wikipedia. That revelation definitely though places the location of his burial a few miles and out of view of Craven Arms town. In light of your discovery I have deleted mention of burial for the meantime.Cloptonson (talk) 17:23, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * How do I put it to the Wikipedia community ? (I also am inexperienced !). Charles.bowyer (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * A good start could be WikiProjects Biography to put the question to them, and also consult WikiProject Shropshire where there may be fellow users who may know of published sources to corroborate. I also wonder if he may have had a death notice that reported his funeral venue. If he was a person of more than local to Shropshire importance he could have had one in a national newspaper like the Times and Daily Telegraph's deaths columns (which for some decades into the 20th century used to be on their front pages), put in for benefit of those living further afield who may have wanted to travel to Shropshire to pay their last respects.Cloptonson (talk) 06:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I finally got a burial record from Clunbury, and have modified the article accordingly. Charles.bowyer (talk) 17:13, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

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Shrewsbury
Hi, as someone who has done a fair amount of work on the Shrewsbury article, could you have a look at it and see what you think of my latest efforts. Regards Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:29, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you (speaking as one who has lived lifelong close to Shrewsbury and is familiar with much of its history), your input has been a vast improvement, greatly reducing the amount of 'citations needed'.Cloptonson (talk) 19:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input, and corrections. I'm going out on a limb and going to propose it for GA assessment. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Go ahead, I feel you have strengthened its case for restoring the GA status it lost.Cloptonson (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Worcestershire invite

 * Thank you. I join with interest, Worcestershire has a certain draw as a neighbouring county to my native Shropshire, with which aspects of its history and geography link. I am familiar, from visiting, with Worcester, Bewdley, Tenbury Wells and Malvern.Cloptonson (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!
I just noticed all your work expanding John Vincent Cain. (1) Thank you! (2) What a lovely example of the wiki-system as a platform for connecting different resources and editors. In any case, bravo you! jengod (talk) 22:11, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Belated Invitation to join the Ten Year Society
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 * Thank you. I have preferred to wait for others to award me. Now I can add it to my awards list on my profile page.Cloptonson (talk) 17:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Atomic Bombing of Nagasaki
I've just come across your 2014 question under the heading Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima/Nagasaki - Friendly Fire Elements?. Googling for more info since I'd not heard/read about it before I noticed that although What did Truman know, and when did he know it? by Stanley Goldberg has Kotura almost every other mention I found, eg. Apocalypse Never ... by Tad Daley and Nagasaki ... by Craig Collie has Kokura. I wondered if your source was Goldberg or something else. Mcljlm (talk) 16:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Mcljlm, I recall I did initially put some information in about the friendly fire aspects but IIRC it was deleted and I accepted the editor's explanation, although it was then put in with the information you now see by others. I hadn't heard of Goldenburg and Kokura/Kotura, so can't comment.Cloptonson (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You wrote "... Nagasaki (the latter not the initial intended target - Kotura was)". Mcljlm (talk) 00:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Mcljlm, sorry hadn't read your first question properly. I haven't had any books about the bombings so. from memory, what I said was informed by having read wiki articles on the bombings a number of years ago (within last 11)
 * . However the article may have moved on as things get added to or taken away. So again, I can comment no further.Cloptonson (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)