User talk:Cloud668/Archive 5

Tears to Tiara
May I ask why you undid my edit on the article? (75.157.130.116 (talk) 02:21, 5 January 2009 (UTC))
 * I did not completely revert your edit, but instead I reverted the lead (as it provided more information) and got rid of the PS3 section. Using two infoboxes would be inappropriate. I also suppose that having a release history section would better address whatever is featured in the PS3 section. I should also note that citing Youtube, and linking to promotional videos in the External links section would be inappropriate according to WP:RS and WP:EL, though I removed the link to the PS3 version's website by mistake. Regardless, the article is currently in kind of a bad shape, and I suppose I will do some cleanup and expand it later on before the anime starts next season. Still, thank you for your contributions, and I'd also suggest you to register an account before you further contribute. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  03:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that I realize it, I didn't remove the PS3 version's site, but instead the wording is changed to a way similar to how it's done in GA articles. Also, the PS3 version's article is merged into the article, as it is inappropriate to have articles on remakes except in rare occasions like Pac-Man (Atari 2600), so there's not really a reason to link to it from a See also section. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  03:28, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you made a mistake upon reverting, my edit was: this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tears_to_Tiara&diff=prev&oldid=261865465 When you reverted my edit, the See Also returned, and the names were reverted as well. I will try to improve the article again with info from other wikipedia. Also, I used to have an account before, though I forgot my nickname. (75.157.130.116 (talk) 04:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Oh yes, you are right on that part, *goes fixes*. As for the names, they really shouldn't be there, unless there's a short summary following them. And I'd suggest you to instead of translating the information from other Wikipedia languages, rewrite the information in a way that would fit more appropriately to the project's guidelines, as the guidelines and manual of styles between the various languages varies drastically. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  04:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I will do that once I finish the game, my Japanese is not really that good but I'll try to follow the guidelines based on the information I got from the game. Is it possible to add the PS3 boxart somewhere in the article? (75.157.130.116 (talk) 04:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC))
 * I don't think it would be appreciated to include the PS3 cover art in the article, as the less non-free images there is in an article, the better. We already have an image, the cover art for the PC version, to serve to illustrate the game in that respect, having a second wouldn't do much help. Also, I would recommend you to, if you are hoping to expand on the plot and characters, you should probably have the characters section in prose. You should also keep in mind not to have the plot section (and the characters section) too long, and if you can't make the characters section much shorter, split it as a list of characters, though you should probably leave that as a last resort. On the other hand, seeing that you are hoping to use the PS3 cover art, I trust that you have the PS3 game (which I don't, but am hoping). --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  05:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I do have the game, I just started it. I was thinking that since the anime uses the remake characters, that the PS3 cover should be included (instead of the image of Arawn and Riannon). I might ask a friend to use the anime logo on instead of PC cover when it starts to air. (75.157.130.116 (talk) 05:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC))
 * Well, if we are using a logo, I would use the PC version's instead of the PS3's or the anime's (which, I believe looks better), as that is indeed the original rendition, and from what I have seen, the preferred one. And having characters from re-releases isn't an uncommon thing. How is the game, by the way? --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  05:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * After thinking a lot, I think I'll leave the images alone. So I don't think I'll try to stuff the PS3 remake. I stopped playing since I ordered the strategy guide from eBay so I'll restart when it arrives. Also I'll probably write character bios more after I watch the anime since there are some terms that I don't know how to translate, though I added some that I was able to get to the article. Till then~ (75.157.130.116 (talk) 06:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC))

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Flagged Revs
Hi,

I noticed you voted oppose in the flag revs straw pole and would like to ask if you would mind adding User:Promethean/No to your user or talk page to make your position clear to people who visit your page :) - Thanks to Neurolysis for the template  « l | Ψrometheăn ™ | l »   (talk) 06:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Something for you
As always, keep up the good work:) G.A.S talk 16:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Popotan Peer Review
Finished, to the best of my ability, doing what you suggested. Anything else before I consider posting this for GAR? Should I have a section on the manga or not (i can find less than the radio drama for it, just enough to meet WP:V. じん   ない  09:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if you really can meet verifiability, then go for it, otherwise the article may not pass B2 I think. I'd say you should probably read through the whole article again first (by that I mean speaking too). I don't really know what the GAN reviewers would say, but I myself at times don't think the article's tone sounds like an encyclopedia. I would also urge you to check the sourcing once again. But otherwise, great job, you did something I will never manage to do (I am sorry, I must bring that up). --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  09:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: PC Press
I'm not sure. It all comes down to how you can cite the information in the article.--  十  八  06:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking that since we have always used sites like Internet Archive, or less frequently WebCite, we could perhaps use other archive sources too if available. I wasn't really sure though whether we are allowed to just upload it to a random place and cite it from there, I guess I should perhaps go ask at some place like WP:V/N later. However, the Internet Archive article says that "snapshots become available 6 to 12 months after they are archived" (didn't cite any sources, though), so perhaps we may still be able to cite it in a more legit way, although I shouldn't get my hopes up. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  06:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Ecstasy and Rewrite
I've been on the fence on this issue for a while now. When I talk about Rewrite, should I say it is Key's seventh or eighth work? The Japanese Wikipedia page lists it as the eighth work, counting Ecstasy as Key's seventh, but I was unsure from the start to do this. Granted, Ecstasy is somewhat different from Little Busters!, but Ecstasy still has its basis in the original game, so I've always considered Ecstasy as more of a 6.5 than a 7. However, Key likes to differentiate between the two, as they should since one is all-ages and the other is adult. Plus, if you just consider the number of different products, Ecstasy would have to be counted as its own entity. So, in the Rewrite article should it be changed to eighth instead of seventh work?--  十  八  08:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As much as I like to consider Rewrite as the seventh work (and Ecstasy as the 6.5th), I guess I will count it as the eighth work product. The reason that I would count Rewrite as the eighth work product is just plainly because how they differnate the two. If you also take the Clannad anime in account, the series is counted as a twenty-two episode anime instead of twenty-three or twenty-four, as the two episodes are branded extra episodes. Because of that, I would count it as the eighth work product. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  14:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input; I'll go ahead and change it. Oh, and another thing I considered. If we're going to be saying Ecstasy is the seventh product, should it be added to Key as the Japanese Wikipedia does? --  十  八  02:01, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That I guess depends on how you interpret it. Metal Gear has a large section of supplements and remake s and re-releases, with all but only two articles linking to separate articles, which is quite similar to the issue here. But then, I don't see anything like that in Resident Evil series. I guess if you want to, you can add something like (Ecstasy) behind Little Busters!, if that's in anyway desirable at all. On a side note, I have also realized that Clannad Full Voice would count as another product before Ecstasy, but I guess that's just something like Substance or Subsistance compared to Twin Snakes. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  03:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If Clannad Full Voice was counted, we'd also have to count the all-ages versions of Kanon and Air, not to mention that none of those get their own pages on Key's website. :P I guess I'll leave Ecstasy out for now.--  十  八  08:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Key topic image
Apparently, due to being a derivative work, the image for the Key visual novels topic has been deleted. Do you have any ideas on what could be created, or used in its place?--  十  八  02:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, light orbs? Otherwise, taiyaki, dinosaurs chicks, or peach juice could work. Though nobody knows what that heck those means (Not like a lot of the FTs out there does). --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  03:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering the longevity of Kanon, taiyaki doesn't seem like that bad of an idea, and hey, if anyone asks I guess we can change it in the future. Either that, or just a picture of some random Key.--  十  八  08:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Didn't really expect you would pick one of those, but I guess it's better than using just a random key (like the one Kingdom Hearts uses). --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  21:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I really wanted to avoid actually using a key, even if Key has been known to use the imagery, not to mention the use of Keropi, but I feel that'd be even more obscure than taiyaki. In any case, I haven't decided yet, even if editors are already hounding me for a replacement. :P If only we had a free-use image of Jun Maeda or the outside of the Visual Art's building.--  十  八  02:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, okay, get this. I was searching through commons trying to find a good image, and I remembered that the Japanese Wikipedia had an image of the high school used as the basis for the school in Clannad. What do you think about using that?--  十  八  03:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Eh, I couldn't even tell that's the school they based it off until I see that clock (if it's taken from another angle, it will probably be easier to recognize and more satisfying). I would say that it's on the same level as taiyaki, for someone who knows absloutely nothing about Key. However, I think if someone is familiar with both Kanon and Clannad, they would recognize taiyaki better, but it's not like we are supposed to cater the people who's familiar with Key's works (nor do I think taiyaki is that satisfying). That's a nice find though, didn't know that they based the school off an actual one. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  05:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, I see now. What about something that's linked to visual novels or computers? I see we have a handy free image for visual novels. Granted, that image may not be directly related to Key, but then the image used for The Office GT is quite obscure.--  十  八  08:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Basicly what I have been hoping to have is an image that someone who is slightly familiar with any one of Key's work could recgonize. I guess that's impossible though without having to go with peach juice (that's only an anime thing though, and Air), so I guess I will just stop being picky and go with the school or taiyaki. I guess those would work just as nice as the key[blade] in the Kingdom Hearts FT or the clock in the Chrono Trigger FT, compared to using the free image. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  14:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, in that case, an image of a planetarium (File:Matsubishi 2.jpg) also seems viable, especially since it was the first Key game (un)officially translated into English. Hell, even a Siamese cat, crow, or boar would work if we're going down that route. The point is, you're right about holding off for something more recognizable. I'm sure we'll figure something out eventually.--  十  八  08:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Mainichi
No trouble at all, but a "site:" search on google will often bring up archives.--  十  八  07:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, searching the site didn' come to mind at all. Instead, I went searching for "Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu, 700000 issues sold" or something among the lines, and that didn't make that show up :\. --  クラ  ウド  ６６８  14:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the warm welcome. I'll be sure to improve the citations, where possible. Your message came as a surprise to me - I did not realise that I could be contacted so directly, or that anyone knew of my presence. With regards to staying to help, I most certainly will, however, I dare not attempt to edit an existing article until I have more experience. In the meantime, I aim to continue improving FutureRP.

Thanks again, Cyberkilla (talk) 23:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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