User talk:CloudNine/Archive4

Whitstable FAC
Hi. I just wondered if you would be willing to have a read through of the Whitstable article to see if there are any obvious problems with the prose. It needs to be looked at by someone with better writing skills than me. I would be very grateful if you could. Thanks. Epbr123 08:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

voyage
Hi CloudNine. I was just wondering, since you last commented, the article Voyage: Inspired by Jules Verne has undergone much work and I'd appreciate if you could maybe cast your opinion, either support or oppose and if you find any other criticisms if you could please point them out. Thank you for all your great critiques in the past. I really appreciate it.--Paaerduag 02:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Joey Santiago
Yeah, found it on Flickr! Felt pretty lucky actually... then went through the guy's work and found heaps of decent musician pics under free licenses. Jackpot! I'll have a look for an image if you like :) Riana ⁂  13:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't find a free image on Flickr, so I might see if I can persuade some people to relicense... Riana ⁂  13:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Grammys pic
It was a screenie of TV, didn't it already have a tag for it and junk? Xihix 18:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

No... They won all those Grammys. If you didn't know, those are the biggest awards you can get for playing music, they got a couple, and I think the pic should be there once I get the copyright crap for it. Also, I got the source for The Simpsons pic, so I'm adding it back.

Are you blind? It talks about how they were on the Simpsons with Arik right next to the image. Same thing for the Grammys pic. Xihix 18:35, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

They did for me. Six other one of my friends who I showed the article too, said that ALL the pictures helped them understand the current time. My foreign friends too, they have no idea what the Grammys are or what they look like, but the picture really helped them understand what was going on. Besides, the pictures had all copyright stuff in them, is there seriously a reason for them not to be there other than your "criticized" crap, that is actually there? Xihix 18:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use debate
Gladly. N SR 77 ( Talk 22:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, on an entirely different subject, have you ever thought of a request for Adminship? N SR 77  ( Talk 22:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you're far overdue for the position. You have several Featured Articles in tow, and thousands of constructive edits. I'll nominate you this weekend, if you accept. Regards, N SR 77  ( Talk 21:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, I have found the logo of red hot chili peppers and uploaded it onto wikipedia. what have you done? Pro Game Master87 07:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

United States FAC
In the United States FAC, you mention a "'Page size' extension" - Just out of curiosity, where's that at? That'd be really nice to have; it'd really save me some quality-time with sed & vim. MrZaius talk  18:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks!
Thank you so much for clearing up the issue on my talk page! ChunkyStyle (talk contribs)

Infobox
Sorry that I didn't fix the box, that Chunky guy fucked up the pic and I had no idea how to fix anything else... Xihix 17:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Requests for comment/Xihix
Never seen one of these before. What happens now? Kamryn Matika 22:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Kim Deal's Equipment
Hi there! My main source has been this article: http://www.bassplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=4025 and there's also this old bit: http://hags6660.tripod.com/equipment.html Both pieces are from actual printed magazines. I'm still bad at referencing, though :( Morefun 23:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi CloundNine! I still don't dig calling the section "Musical Style". I would suggest "Equipment" or most probably "Instrumentation" as the section title, with subsections "Basses", "Guitars", "Other Instruments" (drums and moog), "Amplification" and "Style of Playing" (like the use of picks, playing eighth notes, and such). What do you think?

RFA + RFC
Indeed. I was previously unaware that such a process existed and am quite glad you took the time to compile the extensive evidence against Xihix. I have, consequently, added my endorsement. Also, on the RFA note, I would like to alert you that I have begun the process for your RFA nomination. (Requests for adminship/CloudNine). All it needs is your acceptance, and for you to answer the given questions. Best wishes, N SR 77  ( Talk ) 01:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Good luck! I'm really quite surprised no one had nominated you before hand! N SR 77  ( Talk ) 19:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Pearl Jam
I'm thinking we could put the page up at Peer Review once some of the backlog there is taken care of. Any particular points you think we need feedback on? WesleyDodds 05:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA
Hello. I would like to inform you that I fully support your RFA. If you need any help during this process, let me know.

Good luck,

Politics rule 16:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)=)

Reply
Thanks for the comments (I did base the structure of the article on the House pilot). I'm not particularly interested in doing individual episodes of television series but I think all pilots should be readable. If you want to continue with what I've started then by all means go ahead (I see you're one of the few users interested in turning the main Friends page into an actual article!). If some more info is added to the production section -- maybe something about the fountain -- then you could at least submit it for GA. One thing: Would you be able to link the list of episodes with the episode infobox like in the House article? I'm not too good at template code and right now it just looks disjointed and ugly.WindsorFan 10:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

??
Why did you remove all of that text from Spillane (album)? It's part of the liner notes for that album, and took a considerable amount of time to type. K d f m 12:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Consensus
(rv. please do not edit against consensus) from the article Canada

What do you mean against consensus?

Californication
I was hoping to nominate the article for FAC soon. Just wanted you to take a look through it and point out anything that needs to be fixed and or added before we start the process. I'd greatly appreciate it. Regards, NSR 77  T C  04:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Top importance
I can help you extensively with Nevermind; that's one I've been meaning to work on and finish, but I just haven't had the motivation. I have tons of sources. Well, more like one essential book (Come as You Are), one essential DVD (the "Classic Albums" episode), and a lot of magazine articles. My library also has the Classic Albums: Nevermind book (no relation to the DVD series). Basically, let me know what info you need, and I'll start searching for it. My R.E.M. material is solid: one thorough biography with input from the bandmembers, one collection of articles published throughout the band's history (up until 1998), and the 33 1/3 book on Murmur. I've also just checked out Talk About the Passion, an oral biograpy with tons of people connected with the band (but no input from the band itself).

Ceoil suggested I try to get alternative rock up to FA status. That would be nice, but having worked on the FARs for Punk rock and Heavy metal music, as well as having extensively researched the topic and written most of the article, I have to say, it's a very hard article to write. Unlike punk or heavy metal, it's not really defined by stylistic or musical traits, and not many sources have satisfactorily researched the history of the topic, often glossing over the 1980s and/or excluding virtually all non-US bands. DCGeist and Ceoil mentioned on the talk page merging the individual country sections, but I'm unsure about that, and it would be difficult anyway. I intend to workshop such a merge, but not in the immediate future since there's other things I might as well get out of the way first. At this point I'm open to suggestions about the page, but really there's only so much we can do until more books of the calibre of Our Band Could Be Your Life or John Harris' Britpop book are written, and that might be a long wait.

But I really think Indie rock will be the most difficult top-importance article to get up to GA for a number reasons. My head aches just thinking about it. We'll leave that last. The way I see it, our order of interest should be 1. R.E.M. (band) and Nevermind, 2. Oasis (band), 3. The Smiths, and finally, 4. Indie rock. At some point I also think we need to spruce up Nirvana (band) and Grunge music so they fit current FA standards. They were promoted a long time ago. Let me know what your thoughts on those two are as well. WesleyDodds 09:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I definitely want to order the Hype! DVD off of Amazon so I can add more citations to the grunge article. Our Band Could Be your Life also covers the early grunge scene extensively in the Mudhoney chapter (I think the citations I added to the article from that book were the first I ever made on Wikipedia). I don't much mind the timeline (other alt-rock subgenres that have them are Britpop and Shoegazing), but I suppose they really don't add anything. I'll let you know when I get the Hype! DVD in hand so we can nominate it for collaboration. WesleyDodds 10:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think when it comes to Nirvana the first thing we want to tackle is a musical style section. We can work on it in a userspace and then when it's done, insert it into the article and then move on to the next section we need to create. That's pretty much what I'm doing with Batman right now (another FA I'm working to bring up to current standards). I suppose the basics of Nirvana's style that must be included are: Kurt wrote and arranged most of the music, the use of loud and quite dynamics taken from the Pixies, Dave Grohl's hard-hitting drumming, Kurt's singing and lyrics, and the band's penchant for destroying their gear at the end of shows. WesleyDodds 10:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want you can start framing a section at the bottom of this page right now. Just watch out for all the Batman stuff I'm working on too. WesleyDodds 10:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and place citation tags wherever you feel they are needed throughout the R.E.M. article; I'll take care of filling in the references. WesleyDodds 05:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I took a look and read over of Nirvana, and it could use with some work (especially referencing). I'll possibly take another glance at it and find some references on the internet and in "Babylon's Burning: from punk to grunge", a book I recently finished reading. It may be of use to you in other areas of Alt rock, as well, so just drop me a line if you need to know whether or not the book covers any artist of interest. Best wishes (and with your obviously successful RFA), NSR 77  T C  20:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Five Horizons is a more all-purpose fan page, so I would suggest keeping that one, if any. WesleyDodds 11:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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REM
Hey, I posted a few early articles here if they are any use to you. Ceoil 13:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I remember reading about before, it was a few months after they formed, they had some ridiculous punk name - the something - at first. I'll start digging. Ceoil 14:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've got the info about their name; I've just got to get around to adding it in later today. They had a number of stupid names they wanted to go by (the best was Twisted Kites) before they settled on R.E.M. WesleyDodds 21:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

With R.E.M. images, request a free/fair use image with all four original bandmembers. If at all possible try and see if one can be found of the band from the 1980s. You might be able to find a screenshot of Pearl Jam from their Unplugged performance, which is probably the best known example of Vedder writing "pro-choice" on his arm.

Yeah, I'm intrigued by the Seven Ages of Rock documentary and I would like to see it if it eventually airs on BBC America, but that series does have its big faults, just judging from the website. They assert rock music began with Jimi Hendrix (uhh . . . what?), ignore heavy metal after Metallica, have that weird American alternative rock/British indie division (which is great for promgramming purposes, dividing the episodes by country, but as we've discussed on the alternative rock talk page it's at the end of the day the same genre), and they completely exclude some pretty important bands like Led Zeppelin and Radiohead. Good try by the series, but ultimately lacking. WesleyDodds 10:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, and re: Cobain and Stipe: Come as You Are details that Kurt was as much influenced by R.E.M. as he was by the Pixies; it just hasn't been as played up by susequent sources. He even used to call Michael Stipe asking for advice near the end of his life. I plan to insert some material from that book in the Legacy section once I finish with the history. WesleyDodds 10:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've addressed the cite tags as much as I could. Everything else is either a Billboard chart position (which you can ask Teemu08 to help cite) or hard to verify in a way that I'll just have to rewrite the prose. I'll have to spend some more time reading the books in the next few days. In the meantime, one thing you could try to do is move some of the information regarding individual songs to those articles, particularly the information on "The One I Love", which seems like a bit of a tangent. Add any more cite needed tags in the History section if there's anything else you need me to look up. Oh, and we'll definitely need more information on album sales. WesleyDodds 12:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There's only two "citation needed" tags left now. Once is about the lyrics to songs on Lifes Rich Pageant; I have citations for the sentence, but I wonder if the material is better suited for the album page. The other tag is for the release of Succumbs which is something I don't think we need to cite, but it's up to you. Beyond that, it's pretty much up to me to add more important information as I come upon it in my reading. I will need help with the section covering 2003 and onwards, because my sources don't cover that period; most everything we need for that should be available online, though. Once we're done adding information, I think we need to restructure the History section divisions, and then we can nominate the page for GA. WesleyDodds 08:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll get back to Pearl Jam once I'm done with R.E.M.; I've become rather absorbed by working on the article, going as far as to pull out my CDs and listen to them while I'm editing. I see you've also picked up Our Band Could Be Your Life; great book, even if Azerrad is a little "My music was better than everything else at the time, obviously" at times. When I bought the book, I tried to reading from the beginning, but decided to just skip ahead to the Husker Du chapter. The Butthole Surfers chapter is the funniest, while the Beat Happening one is the least engaging and seems to be there because he couldn't write about British indie pop in a book about the American indie scene. Easter egg: one of the shows mentioned in the book happened in the town I live in; I've even been to the house a few times. WesleyDodds 10:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I've finished with most of the citations. I've got to expand the Campaigning section (I have the references for it), but beyond that, if you want to move things around and restructure sections, feel free to do so. Once I'm done, I'll put the article up at GAC, if you think it's ready. WesleyDodds 19:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Campaigning and Activism section expanded. Still doing some minor cleanup. Let me know if there's anything else you think needs to be done with the article to get it to GA level. WesleyDodds 10:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nominated at GAC. I'm done for the night, but some of the Internet citations need to be formatted correctly, if you can help with that. WesleyDodds 11:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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Your successful RfA
Let me be the first (I think) to offer you my sincere congratulations. Welcome to the Cabal.--Anthony.bradbury"talk" 21:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't even know you ran... Good job! David Fuchs 21:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to your amazingly successful RFA. Hope to collaborate with you soon! NSR 77  T C  23:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Congrats. WesleyDodds 10:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well done! The Rambling Man 16:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on a well-deserved promotion! Enjoy the bit :) Riana (talk)  08:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

San Juan, Puerto Rico
Hey CloudNine, about your comments in San Juan's FAC I attended the suggestions you made and Tony the Marine did the copy edit, please take another look to see if your concerns have been attended and thanks for reviewing. - 凶 22:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Black Francis/Frank Black
FYI note that changing the link doesn't change much; it still leads to the same page. CloudNine 13:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but without a redirect. Isn't that worth something? I just hate redirects. --The Wild Falcon 13:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Problem With Some Guy Deleting Sections of Article
Hello, congrats on your new adminship. I stumbled across your RFA and since I've been meaning to bring up an issue with an admin anyway, I decided to post it here on your talk page.

I recently noticed on this article Steam (content delivery) that some guy (Tom Edwards) reverted the addition of a few sections under the "Crticism" header. I cleaned up the additions and found some references and put them back, but he erased them again. I checked out his user page and it looks like he works for Steam or something and might be pretty biased. Before this turned into an edit war, I wanted to let an admin know so that they could say something to him or whatever. Thanks. Dimension31 01:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Research
Thanks for your completed survey! Sutton4019 09:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

What the deuce?
"Please do not make personal attacks. Wikipedia has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images in violation of our Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. CloudNine 15:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)"

I recieved this message for what now? Because I have friends in the professional wrestling industry? Look, I wasn't making a personal attack. Stating some information about the man based off of reactions from people who have met him (in the hopes that someone would find use for it) is hardly a personal attack. So I'd really appreciate it if you'd restore the section that you removed from Chris Benoit's discussion page. Not only did I give valid information regarding his past wrestling experiences, but I added a tidbit of information as a reaction to other wrestlers' comments on him that have stated that he was a quiet man who always seemed to be nice and friendly, etc. I wasn't making an attack, I was agreeing with stated information and adding some of my own. Crenel 18:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

My bad then. I just assumed that this was about the talk page, as my information was removed. Also, it still wasn't a personal attack. Kevin Braunsdorf is my friend, and he was sitting right next to me when I made that. If anything, it was just abusing Wikipedia's page creation terms. Crenel 18:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

2001 ACC Baseball Tournament
Since you were so kind and quick to delete the page, can you at least get me the link that I had saved on there, otherwise I can't expand the page. Jober14 14:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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Pearl Jam
Hmm, given the nature of what they're verifying those links to Five Horizons might be the most acceptable option. We could always rewrite the sections they're used in so as to exclude the information, if it isn't all that important. WesleyDodds 10:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

France national rugby union team FAC
Hey. I have addressed all of your comments. Please let me know if more needs to be done. Thanks. - Shudda   talk  00:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was wondering what more needs to be done to get your support at this FAC? I think I've addressed everything. You can view it here. - Shudda   talk  06:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Conservapedia
Thnx for the reply (about Conservapedia). It is a relief to hear that such a hateful site is not part of Wikipedia in any way possible. Wikipedia isn't always as objective as possible, but at least here there are (most of the times) pro's and con's about something/ someone/ etc. But Conservapedia isn't even trying to be objective :-s In my opinion, Conservapedia just throws the Bible, everything said and done by the pope, any pope, and everything Republican on the internet, and then calls it 'The Trustworthy Encyclopedia' :-s But indeed, the biggest concern about that page, is that it could really hurt someone (like the example about someone who just figured out he/ she might be homo-/bisexual, or someone who is in an depression (according to that site, it can be overcome by prayer and hard work :-s)). Dangerous site, a pity such a site has a basis to exist :-( --Robster1983 16:58, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Dream Days at the Hotel Existence
Hi CN, I just read your review of Dream Days and have a few queries. Firstly, you failed the page straight off instead of placing it on hold. This is the second time the page has been assessed and neither time has the page been placed on hold, which should be the action taken upon initial review.

Secondly, you mention that contractions are considered to be informal. In no use of the english language is this correct where there's one contraction in a word. For more than one, then it's considered informal, but "It's", "Isn't", "Haven't", "They'd" and others are all more common use than their seperated versions and it's a fallacy to consider otherwise. (On a side note, you use the phrase "there's several instances of these." when you refer to this, and that should have been "there're several instances of these." instead

The grammatical errors are certainly something that need to be seen to, as well as the abuse of wikilinking, but these are matters that could easily be seen to.

Your preference of where the succession box is irrelevant as it's placed where it is as it's in the charts section of the article and there's no hard and fast rule that they belong at the bottom of the page.

You mention that direct quotes go uncited in the article, however citation is superfluous when you quote one statement twice within a paragraph. This is pretty much an expectation as per WP:CITE, otherwise you end up with a thousand different citation marks and it visually stints the page.

Over-information is to be avoided and this article is not about Triple J, so it may not be suitable to state "Australian Radio Station Triple J" as it makes the sentence clunky.

I urge you to reconsider the failure in favour of a hold while improvements can be made, however be aware that some of your criteria for failure are inappropriate on a GA level, though may need to be seen to at FA level and secondly some remain simply a matter of your viewpoint. -- linca linca  06:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)