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JF discography
Hey, could you offer your opinion at the debate over at the FLC? Thanks, NSR 77  T C  17:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Radio Free Europe
Definitely should be merged. There can be separate sections to describe the recordigns of the different versions, with there being a "composition" section for both of them (they're the same musically except they have different sound effects at the beginning, and the Hib-Tone version is faster). I think I have enough sources to make the article FA, but that's something for down the line. WesleyDodds 21:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Saddam image
I realized that you locked Image:Saddam.jpg .. Are you serious? Why you did that? Do you really think this is a proper image?? --88.106.75.39 20:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

COTW
Can you update it? I'm uh. . . making a pizza right now. Right before bed. WesleyDodds 08:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've got plenty of print sources. Maybe we should make a directory of online sources available for Nevermind. WesleyDodds 08:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been considering that quote as well. I think it's an effective way of illustrating the effect of Nevermind on alternative rock and the underground music scene. I think we should structure the Legacy section around three major points: it brought alt-rock to the mainstream, it became an era-defining record, and it influenced subsequent rock bands. WesleyDodds 09:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I think I've found all the print reviews available (can't seem to find a NME or Melody Maker review) from when the album was released so now we just need to focus on the album's later reputation. WesleyDodds 07:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also: do you think any of the song pages should be turned into redirects? One I'm thinking about is "Stay Away (song)". WesleyDodds 09:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been at my university library for a couple of hours and referenced another book extensively. I believe the Recording section is pretty much complete now. Well, I could go into little details like what gear they used and all that, but that's probably not all that important really. WesleyDodds 04:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Pixies article in Spin
You asked me a while back to look up that 2004 Pixies article in Spin. I finally got around to it today. Not sure how much of the info is repeated in Fool the World, but here's what I found to be the most interesting points: I might be able to go back to the library sometime in the next week if you want me to cite anything. WesleyDodds 07:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone I can't remember (I think it was Santiago) said the band never calls Frank Black by either of his stagenames; they always call him Charles or (less frequently) Chuck.
 * Frank Black said "4AD worried about things that the band didn't care about". The most important thing he thought was "unimportant" was whether the band should be credited as "the Pixies" or "Pixies" on record sleeves! Frank Black said 4AD put "Pixies" on every album because "they thought it sounded cooler" than "the Pixies". So I guess that settles that debate!
 * There's some hinting and refusal to comment about a possible brief relationship between Frank Black and Kim Deal.
 * Santiago mentioned one of the earliest songs Black Francis showed him was "U-Mass". I forget the other one he mentioned.
 * There was a point after Doolittle when the band briefly fired Deal; they soon backed out and later treated it as a "warning" to her, in Santiago's words.
 * Albini credits Lovering's and Santiago's playing styles with them having been self-taught players.
 * Sounds good. Go ahead and ask when you get the chance. WesleyDodds 01:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Breeders sources: Time, Rolling Stone , and The New York Times . Also, Pixies reunion article at the NY Times:  WesleyDodds 02:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Pixies discography: The UK Surf version of "Wave of Mutilation" appears on the soundtrack album of Pump Up the Volume. Also, there's that Pixies DVD I told you about a while ago (simply called Pixies); it was released in 2004. WesleyDodds 09:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nirvana discography includes compilation apperances of previously-released material, so I think the soundtrack should be listed. WesleyDodds 10:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

fr:Discussion Utilisateur:CloudNine
Another French speaker! Huzzah :) Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 04:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Bam Thwok
Hey, reference #14 doesn't work. Tommy Stardust 17:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure!
I will deliver the newsletter. However, my parents are yelling at me to get off the computer to go out, so I'll do it in about two hours or so. :) Xihix 18:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done :) Xihix 23:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music September 2007 Newsletter
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Image question
I was busy adding a fair use rationale to when I notice another upload of the same cover. I know there can only be one version of a fair-use image uploaded, but I wasn't sure how to get one deleted (or which version could be kept). Can you delete one of them? WesleyDodds 11:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Ough
Hey, CloudNine. Could you please clarify an incident with a troll who reverted various Nevermind song articles I redirected to the album page. They are being difficult, and continue to re-add a ridiculous vandalism message to my talk page. NSR 77 T C  20:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A troll? Because I told you to stop changing all the articles to redirects instead of going through a "cumbersome" AFD process?  You can remove the comments from your talk page, it's your talk page, but I think you're being dishonest whether you thought you were vandalising or not. Jauerback 20:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

afd
Hey cloud9, Just wondering why you've added the afd for Bittersweet Poetry? I removed it as songs don't have a notability guideline and it's based on using ones own commonsense. The song is the first to feature both Mayer and West as a duo, and it's been long speculated, which alone gives it more notability than most songs on wikipedia, and as there's no notability guideline, I find it perplesing that you've added the afd twice now. -- linca linca  13:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

You just accidentally restored some vandalism
Just thought I'd give you a heads up that here you restored some vandalism that I had just reverted. --GoodDamon 17:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Indie music
While WikiProject Indie music is essentially inactive–which is why I came up with the alt-rock project in the first place a while back–people still sign up for it and occasionally remove the "inactive" template. Which is actually all that happens there, meaning it is still inactive. Given it's essentially redundant to the Alternative Music Project now, is there a way we can delete it? WesleyDodds 06:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have any suggestions for songs to download off of iTunes? Particularly songs you don't necessarily want to buy the entire album for. My thoughts so far are "Salvation" by the Cranberries, "Mayor of Simpleton" by XTC, "Plowed" by Sponge, "Hey Jealousy" by the Gin Blossoms, or "Bang" by Blur. Throw me some ideas. WesleyDodds 08:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My favorite covers (as of now) are by Bauhaus: David Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust" and T. Rex's "Telegram Sam". Nirvana doing "Molly's Lips" is one I never get tired of, even though it's one of the easiest songs to ever play on guitar. Ever heard Green Day's cover of "Don't Want to Know if You Are Lonely"? It was a b-side to "Warning". Honestly that's how I got into Husker Du. WesleyDodds 01:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

FL Main page proposal
You either nominated a WP:FLC or closed such a nomination recently. As such, you are the type of editor whose opinion I am soliciting. We now have over 400 featured lists and seem to be promoting in excess of 30 per month of late (41 in August and 42 in September). When Today's featured article (TFA) started (2004-02-22), they only had about 200 featured articles and were barely promoting 20 new ones per month. I think the quality of featured lists is at least as good as the quality of featured articles was when they started appearing on the main page. Thus, I am ready to open debate on a proposal to institute a List of the Day on the main page with nominations starting November 1 2007, voting starting December 1 2007 and main page appearances starting January 1 2008. For brevity, the proposal page does not discuss the details of eventual main page content, but since the work has already been done, you should consider this proposal assuming the eventual content will resemble the current content at the featured content page. Such output would probably start at the bottom of the main page. The proposal page does not debate whether starting with weekly list main page entries would be better than daily entries. However, I suspect persons in favor of weekly lists are really voicing opinions against lists on the main page since neither TFA nor Picture of the day started as weekly endeavors, to the best of my knowledge.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

stolen code
I have stolen your code for your reviewed content. I wish I had as much featured content as you so it would look better on my page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Technology portal
I would like to nominate two selected articles for the Tech portal please: Plug-in Hybrid which is an FA, and Solar power plants in the Mojave Desert which is a GA. Thanks... Johnfos 01:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

S Club - GA Nomination
Albeit singlehandedly, I've worked my socks off since your review to work on the changes you requested. I know I still have a few days left of being "On Hold" but I think I've amended the article quite sufficiently.

As you reviewed it: click Article now: click

I've tried my hardest to cover all of your bullet points. With regards to the general comment about single placings, etc. I have tried to expand on many paragraphs, such as I have explained the reasons for the split, the cannabis incident and blended the S Club 8 info into the main history. I also racked my brains and then went on a source hunt, adding in paragraphs about their charity work and controversy about their wages. I also made a complete overhaul, like you suggested, of the Post-S Club (renamed After S Club) section, which I think is far more comprehensive and useful to the reader. I also hope that the musical style section is fine. I wasn't sure on sources for that one, but I did what I thought was best. I've also written up a quick intro paragraph.

Also made the mini-changes such as explaining Stargate and changing a couple of sentence phrasings.

I hope that I've made a sufficient job to secure this as a good article. I'd also like to ask for your advice on where I can take the article from here? -  ǀ Mikay ǀ   18:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, there! I was just wondering if you had gotten around to looking at what the S Club article could do to improve. :) Don't worry about it though, there's no rush in the world of Wikipedia. -  ǀ Mikay ǀ   11:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

GAC
I remember you expressed some interest in reviewing One Hot Minute during a peer review; since GAC has slowly turned into a virtual George Bush in terms of accomplishment, I'd love it if you could just review it's GAC. I'd gladly review either (or both) of the two articles you have listed there in return. I just want to depart from this process before the year ends. :) NSR 77  T C  22:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I love(d) their single EP, but I have not been into punk for quite some time (years in fact) and the topic is not as interesting as say a Nirvana/Smashing Pumpkins article, you are correct. It has been a while since you've produced a good/featured article. NSR 77  T C  23:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll review Santiago towards the end of the week, or on the weekend when I have some more free time. NSR 77  T C  20:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, a big congrats on the Heavy Metal Portal being featured! NSR 77  T C  00:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've gotten all of points you outlined and made a few more adjustments as well. On the thought you raised: I think of an album article as something that should address/examine/write about the entire period associated with it. Including tour dates. Without the section, the point where Navarro quits and whatnot will be pretty hard for someone not familiar with the Chili Peppers to understand. NSR 77  T C  20:58, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * All done. The only thing I can't find (after about ten minutes of searching) is the "record and produced it" comment. If you could tell me what section and line it is in, or better yet just fix it quickly yourself. Sorry about the delay in reviewing Santiago; I've been very busy. I'll get to it later today. NSR 77  T C  20:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed Santiago. Overall, very nice. NSR 77  T C  21:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

FL vs FA
The tallies at WP:CHIFC count FAs and not FLs. I only want articles showing up in the count until they can do something about the current programming.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Fugazi
I have no problem with "Waiting Room"; shows off their dub, punk, and jazz influences. Honestly the only Fugzai record I own is 13 Songs. I think I might actually start with the Musical Style section. I have a Guitar World interview with Ian MacKaye from 2002 where he quite understandably talks about the music and his influences (interesting fact: MacKaye makes it a point to use only one gutiar and no effects because he wants to see how much he can accomplish with the same basic set-up). WesleyDodds 20:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're looking for songs, "Latest Disgrace" is something you'll probably want to put on the article as well. For a song from their (presumably) last album, "Epic Problem" or "Ex-Spectator" should suffice. NSR 77  T C  05:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Going to work on it more in a bit. Meanwhile, an odd page was just created: The Smashing Pumpkins Grammys. Should it redirected/merged/moved/outright deleted? WesleyDodds 09:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I've done what I can with the band history using Our Band Could Be Your Life (it does only cover a short period, after all). If you see anything you'd like to add go ahead and I'll adjust the page numbers to my edition of the book. If you can, focus on the Ethics section (I've moved a bit of prose there, and there's some references already provided0 and I'll work on Musical Style later today. WesleyDodds 11:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Also: Today I went to a book store and saw that there's a Replacements bio out now. It's an oral biography, and skimming through it it seems alright, but the band is only present in archival quotes (the bandmembers were ok with the book, but didn't participate because they wanted to give the writer leeway). Doesn't look as good as the Pixies or Jane's Addiction oral biographies, but better than the R.E.M. one I found at my library (I just noticed that there seems to be an odd amount of bios on 80s alt-rock bands that are oral biographies). WesleyDodds 11:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Joy Division
Can you review my grammar and spelling at Joy Division? It uses British English, of course, so I may have missed a few things. Also, I'd appreciate your feedback when I take this to PR or FAC (hopefully soon; GAC has a huge backlog). WesleyDodds 10:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Teen Idles.gif listed for deletion
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Pixies info
One of the sources that I plan on using is allmusic, to work on the Pixies discography articles. Right now it is only a B-class, I think. Tennis 52 02:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

My friend, how can i protect a page? pls help me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Okaee (talk • contribs) 23:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Formation of the Pixies
Maybe. The main article is 52 KB with refs, so you could rationalize it if you have the resources. The only precedent I think there is though is the Beatles article, but that's a band that's been so well-documented one article wouldn't be enough to hold everything. Try and see if there are any other precedents for this sort of thing on Wikipedia. WesleyDodds 21:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * On another topic, I think "This Charming Man" needs some restructuring. While all song articles don't need the same layout (and there is something to be said for the way the page is currently arranged) we could do a bit of rearranging. What are your thoughts? WesleyDodds 10:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * On quite another topic, do you see any project GAs that we can award A class status to? About half our A-class articles were promoted to FA in the last few months. WesleyDodds 02:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding newsletter
Seems like AWB has a bug that won't let me right now, but I reported it, and will send it once it's fixed. Also, I just wanted to let you know that I'm going to be innactive on the Alternative Wikiproject, as I'm currently in the Simpsons Wikiproject and I'm doing some major projects there right now. I will send all the newsletters you guys want me to, though ;)  ✗iℎi✗  (talk) 21:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Oasis (band) navbox
I don't get a horizontal scroll bar, and I don't understand why you would get one. I tested the navbox using different web browser window widths. Adding a line break makes the line wrapping wonky for certain screen widths. What web browser are you using? --PEJL 23:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, I don't understand why you get that, but I can confirm the problem in Firefox 2.0 (but not in other browsers). Why is it doing this to the singles section, but not to the studio albums section (which also line-wraps). Have you seen this behavior on any other articles using Navbox Musical artist? (I note also that inserting manual line breaks isn't a good solution, as the content still expands outside the navbox for certain window widths.) --PEJL 21:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Feeder discography
Hi!, i need some more people to review the article to get it to FA status, and since you review lists for FA status, i was wondering if you could please review the one in question?. Many thanks in advance!.Marcus Bowen 16:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just fixed the article if you like to review it again :).Marcus Bowen 10:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Pavement discography
Hey, could you give an opinion on Pavement discography here? I hate asking people around like this but if this nomination doesn't receive more attention soon than it may be failed. Thanks, --Brandt Luke Zorn 02:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Your bot request
Hi CloudNine I wanted to let you know that Bots/Requests for approval/CloudNineBot is labeled as needing your comment. Please visit the above link to reply to the requests. Thanks! --BAGBot Talk 17:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

LOTD proposal
You have nominated a recent WP:FLC. There have been two recent proposals to begin a List of the Day feature on the main page, which have both received majorities but have not been approved as overwhelming support sufficient for the main page. WP:LOTDP is a new proposal to try to get the ball rolling based on the original proposal. Voice your thoughts on its talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music October 2007 Newsletter
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The Corrs discography
Hey, I had addressed all the concerns regarding the article's nomination for FLC. Please take a look and provide further comments. =) σмgн  gσмg  01:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Your bot's peer review functionality
Just a note to say that it's great what you've done for one WikiProject with respect to identifying central peer reviews of relevance. I hope that the other WikiProjects with peer reviews notice your bot, and ask it to do the same for them; if you don't get a lot of requests, I hope you'll consider asking them (where a peer review page seems active and fits your format) if they'd be interested. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Move
Hi, I need some help moving an article, Me & My Friends, to Me and My Friends. I can't do that at the moment as "Me and My Friends" already exists as a redirect. Could you help me out? Thanks Tooga - BØRK! 16:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Tooga - BØRK! 16:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Husker Du
I've been sick the past few days and thus hae fallen behind on some Wiki priorities (most notably not being able to work on the COTW for Sonic Youth when I promised I would). I'm better now, but I'll let you know when I'm up for working on those articles. WesleyDodds 12:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured List of the Day Experiment
There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

NIN WikiProject
I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed Nine Inch Nails WikiProject. There's alot of NIN-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help me get this project of the ground and a few Nine Inch Nails pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! Drewcifer 10:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thompson!
Sorry about that -- a close friend spells her name "Thomson". The Joey Santiago article is great, BTW. I hope my little edits are helpful to your FA quest. Melty girl (talk) 22:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the barnstar! Nice reorganization of those two subsections. The article is fantastic. I only wish I'd been able to go officially on the record as supporting! --Melty girl (talk) 17:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

GAC
I have reviewed The Teen Idles and placed it on hold. If you feel so inclined, you might think about reviewing Lessons for Children per your offer. It is a bit afield from your interests, I think, so I wouldn't be devastated if you declined. :) Awadewit | talk  00:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like someone grabbed Lessons for Children. You can always review Analytical Review, if you are so inclined. Awadewit | talk  10:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats
Congrats on another Pixies FA. Weren't you going to tackle Kim Deal a while back? WesleyDodds (talk) 23:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, Ceoil's been kind enough to give me access to his Rock's Back Pages account, which I've only started exploring in the last few days. I'll see what I can track down, just let me know what you're looking for at a given time (I've already looked up Husker Du; not much there aside from some Melody Maker reviews for the band's last three albums and a 1987 interview by Simon Reynolds titled "Husker Du: Why aren't they famous?"). WesleyDodds (talk) 23:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've had a similiar issue with Just like Heaven (song), in that these are articles that are fairly complete reference-wise, so theoretically doesn't that mean they adhere to FA standards, evne if they aren't as long or contain as many references as Pixies or "Smells Like Teen Spirit"? WesleyDodds (talk) 23:39, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * There's nothing in the site about Cracker at all, but doing a Google search I've found that both the Pixies and Martinis bios on Allmusic support the fact that he drummed with Cracker. However, you'll be pleased to hear that I've discovered an article on the site by Joey Santiago from 1997 about joining and leaving the Pixies. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain
Under the good article delisting criteria, if the problems I have listed have not been solved within five days (plenty of time), I will delist the article. The burden of proof is not on me, it is on those who wish to claim that the article is somehow "good" despite its obvious conflicts with Wikipedia policy. FCYTravis (talk) 19:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

David Lovering
I've fixed all the ones that actually had "Dave" in there. But, according to the list, the ones I skipped still have "Dave Lovering", despite them not even having the name. Do you know whats wrong? xihix (talk) 20:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Alt-rock article size
Your request on Betacommand's talk page made me curious, so I put together a list of what appear to be the longest articles tagged by the project:


 * Audioslave - 77 kb
 * Kate Bush - 68
 * Radiohead - 68
 * U2 - 66
 * Rage Against the Machine - 63
 * Nine Inch Nails - 62
 * Elliott Smith - 60
 * The Smashing Pumpkins -59
 * Pearl Jam - 55
 * Pixies - 52
 * Franz Ferdinand (band) - 51
 * Kid A - 50
 * Frank Black - 49
 * Stereolab - 49
 * The White Stripes - 49
 * Pinkerton (album) - 48
 * Red Hot Chili Peppers - 47
 * Butthole Surfers - 46
 * The Cure - 45
 * Powderfinger - 45
 * John Frusciante - 44
 * Kurt Cobain - 44
 * Arctic Monkeys - 43
 * Smells Like Teen Spirit - 43
 * Oasis (band) - 42
 * R.E.M. (band) - 42
 * Weezer - 42
 * Wilco - 42
 * Bjork - 40
 * Adore (album) - 39
 * Depeche Mode - 38

There's three albums, one song, and no genres. All the rest are artists. I didn't check out the list sizes. It's certainly interesting, isn't it? WesleyDodds (talk) 10:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It definitely helps sort out some priorities. I remember Audioslave was huge at the FAC (like 110 kb); we might want to try and find ways to trim it further. The lengths to U2 and Radiohead seem about right given the subjects and the amount of resources available. The problem with Rage Against the Machine seems to be that the politics section needs to be reorganized and drastically trimmed. There shouldn't be any song article longer than "Smells Like Teen Spirit", so if one does pop up we know something is probably amiss. I can see Nevermind, Ok Computer, and possibly R.E.M.'s Murmur becoming some of the longer album articles down the line, so we shouldn't be surprised if that happens. Probably the most surprising thing to some will be that the Nirvana article is so short, but that isn't a surprise to me since during the COTW I was impressed by how concise and to-the-point it was, and tried to keep it that way. That "30kb" guideline is a good rule of thumb to try and go by. Sometimes if there's a wealth of research on a topic the information available allows one to be more concise with citing sources. That certainly is the case with the R.E.M. article; there's a few more things I want to add to it before I take it to FAC, but it's virtually complete and comprehensive (minor observation: given what I've seen over the years, the bands under the scope of the project that appear to have to most reference resources available are Nirvana, U2, R.E.M., and Oasis, with Radiohead close behind and Pearl Jam and the Chili Peppers a little bit further down). WesleyDodds (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is proving useful. I just noticed that Radiohead has expanded by 2kb in the last day. Does it really need more to be added to it? WesleyDodds (talk) 12:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Radiohead
Hi, I've put the Radiohead article up for a peer review, and would welcome your opinions on it. Thanks. Atlantik (talk) 21:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Page protection question
Hey there -- I have a question for you. My first FA is the main page today, and the vandalism has already begun. There's a note that it's protected, yet anonymous IPs have been able to make all sorts of subsequent extreme vandalism edits. What can be done? A higher level of protection? If you can't do this, where do I need to go? Thanks!! -Melty girl (talk) 04:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, I figured out how to make a page protection request, so we'll see how that goes. Sorry to bug you first. Hey, BTW, there seems to be something buggy about your talk page -- when you click edit for a section you get the section below instead of the section you selected. Just thought you might not know... --Melty girl (talk) 04:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind reply. --Melty girl (talk) 17:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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November newsletter
I've got most of it done, but here's the link if you need to add anything. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Confusion?
I have no idea of what confusion it is creating, could you give me some diffs? I have spent more than enough time overseeing this discussion acorss the many pages it has travelled across. A solution is needed. I now give up the issue and as you are the editor who feels that my solution is not right, you can take it on board, I'm having nothing more to do with it.--Alf melmac 14:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll take your non-involvement as a no to the offer then :) If I knew of a way to silence the genre field (using the <!-- formula, I would have done so. If you have read some of the discussion on the talk page, you should also be aware that editors have been blocked as a result of breaking the three revert rule over the issue of commas and breaks in that field. I believed the edit would have resulted in a firm decision being made and editors could then continue on their way. The edit may have appeared odd, but I would have appreciated an admin-admin trust on that one (although it did result in one editor making exactly the comment that was expected). In Solomon's day, they couldn't have reverted the baby's death after the fact, but in the age of the wiki, edits can be, edits on talk pages suggesting 'killing the baby' were not enough to effect a resolution, I believed the edit would have been sufficient to gain a decision on it's inclusion with conditions that would prevent further edit warring and the consequent blockage of editors. I'm hoping the parties involved will come to a decision as which of the options on the table is best, as you somehow noticed the edit I made and reverted it, you probably have a view, please express it on Template talk:Infobox Musical artist, in one of the sections in "Standardizing genre delimiters".--Alf melmac 14:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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