User talk:Cloudbound/Archive 1

DSG logos
Hi. I am new to Wikipedia and I've started off by updating some articles with images. I have noticed you have renamed and altered copyright details for PC World (store) and The Link (retailer) logos I had added. I was wondering what the reason for this was and hoped you could explain this. BTW please don't see this as a complaint; if there are rules I have missed, I like to find out about them :-). One other thing, although some of the company websites still refer to DSG retail, the parent company for PC World & The Link, and therefore the copyright holder, has been known as DSG International since last month.  In fact, they haven't been called DSG Retail for several years, but some of their sites were obviously never updated to reflect that! --Throup 22:03, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry if me replacing your images with newly named (but identical) ones was a little annoying. I just thought that giving logo in the file name was a better idea and wouldn't cause any kind of confusion with other images that may be uploaded later. Does that answer your question? If not let me know and I'll be happy to elaborate. If you need any help with using Wikipedia and getting to know it just send me a message and I'll get back to you and hopefully help you as best I can. Wikiwoohoo 18:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I wasn't annoyed with you changing the files, just a little concerned that I may have misunderstood accepted naming conventions.  I guess in this case it's down to personal opinion, so I'm happy to go with the way of least confusion :-).  BTW, I have edited the copyright notices to refer to DSG International again as that is the new group name.  I am looking forward to editing with you in the future.  Throup 18:36, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Your RfA
I have removed your self-nomination for adminship from Requests for adminship, because it was not properly formed. Please do not write your nomination directly on the RfA page. Instead, create a separate nomination subpage Requests for adminship/Wikiwoohoo, copy&paste the RfA nomination template from the RfA page to there, and fill in the form by giving your user name, RfA ending time, and responses to the candidate questions. &mdash; J I P | Talk 15:17, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Old account and RfA
I saw your note at User talk:FireFox regarding your old account. I went to Special:Listusers and dug around. What I came up with the following possible accounts: On most of these accounts, there is no edit history. You can check the list yourself here and here. Do any of those look familiar too you? If so, please let me know as soon as possible. I've looked at the edit histories of all of these, and the only candidates that I found that made any sense were Grant, Grantslaw (I don't think this one is correct), and Grantwin.
 * 1) GRANTKINSEL
 * 2) GRANTSVG
 * 3) Grant
 * 4) Grant 100
 * 5) Grant Fletcher
 * 6) Grant Hayes
 * 7) Grant Henninger
 * 8) Grant Hulley
 * 9) Grant McMurray
 * 10) Grant W
 * 11) Grant Weaver
 * 12) Grant baker
 * 13) Grant muir
 * 14) Grant thomas
 * 15) Grant-o
 * 16) Grant0323
 * 17) Grant1
 * 18) Grant65
 * 19) Grant666999
 * 20) Grant80
 * 21) Grant937
 * 22) GrantHeaslip
 * 23) GrantM
 * 24) GrantNeufeld
 * 25) GrantRNieddu
 * 26) GrantRocksIt
 * 27) GrantShirreffs
 * 28) GrantW
 * 29) Grantave
 * 30) Grantb
 * 31) Grantb88
 * 32) Grantbaer
 * 33) Grantbaker
 * 34) Grantbhoy
 * 35) Grantc
 * 36) Grantcole
 * 37) Grantex
 * 38) Grantf44
 * 39) Grantfuller
 * 40) Grantg
 * 41) Grantgamer
 * 42) Grantham
 * 43) Granthor
 * 44) Grantingram
 * 45) Grantlabt
 * 46) Grantm
 * 47) Grantmaxwell
 * 48) Grantmccallum
 * 49) Grantmcox
 * 50) Grantmil
 * 51) Grantmorrice
 * 52) Grantnevill
 * 53) GrantsaUK
 * 54) Grantslaw
 * 55) Grantss
 * 56) Grantstevens
 * 57) Grantwar
 * 58) Grantwarrell
 * 59) Grantwin
 * 60) Granty
 * 61) Granty50
 * 62) Granty567

On your RfA, it is highly unlikely that it will pass because people have become very focused on the number of edits admin nominees have these days. In the five oppose votes that have been registered so far, not a single user has come up with any other reason to oppose than pure edit counts/time on Wikipedia. I think their reasoning is flawed. I have looked at a number of your edits and found you to be a helpful, courteous person. You are making solid contributions to Wikipedia. Your distribution of edits across namespaces shows an interest in things beyond writing articles, in addition to work on articles. These are great qualities in favor of your being an admin.

I would like to note some things that I think you need to improve on before being an admin:
 * Your use of edit summaries is 53%. This needs to increase. I personally prefer to see admin nominees using edit summaries at least 80% of the time, and preferably 90% of the time. For part of my rationale regarding why this is important, please see this diff.
 * Your activity level is, in my opinion, too low. An admin needs to be actively involved in issues to remain engaged with users with whom they are having a discussion or especially a debate. For part of my rationale regarding this this is important please see this section of my talk page.

Under my admin voting measures, you qualify very well with the exception of the above two points. I'd vote in favor of you being an admin if it were not for the above two points. If you increase your participation level and maintain it for a month, and increase your use of edit summaries, I'll nominate you myself. I think you're otherwise very well qualified.

I would like to raise one additional point however. Since late June, I've been keeping statistics on the admin nomination process. What I have found is that admin nominees with less than 2,000 edits have only a 48% chance of successful nominations. Once you clear 2,000 edits, that figure rises to 83%..a full 35% increase! You can see more information about this study at my admin nominee charts page. I think if you increase edit summaries and raise your activity level, we can get you the admin tools before you get to 2,000 edits. But, be aware of the study; you will have to answer people's concerns if you are nominated again before 2,000 edits.

All the best, --Durin 21:52, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me. Fir  e  Fo  x  16:22, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Dear Grant, I am sure that you are/ have been a good editor and member of wiki community. Time is dynamic and a day shall dawn when your efforts shall be recognized by the wiki community. And, thanks for the thanks [[Image:Smiley.png|14px]]. --Bhadani 14:59, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

2012 Legacy Map
Thank you for changing the copyright violation. I have just got back from holiday and had forgotten all about that and the other copyright violations I have made (none on pupose though). Time to set about clearing my name, though not tonight. I'm going to bed. Greaterlondoner 19:34, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

RFA
As you know, your RFA nom was rejected. You may try again after sometime. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  12:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Mediation
I noticed you added your name to the list of active mediators, but I can't find a successful mediation nomination for you. Are you aware that mediator is a formal position on Wikipedia and that you must be approved by the Mediation Committee? -- Essjay ·   Talk 01:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Ditto, however you may be interested in WP:TINMC. R  e  dwolf24  (talk) 03:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Your RFA Done
Its done here: Requests for adminship/Wikiwoohoo2 I voted neutral cause its too soon --JAranda'' | watz sup 20:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

RFA closed
Hi! I have prematurely closed your RFA as it is clearly failing. This does not mean that you can't be an admin, hang around for sometime on WP, do some valued work and be civil. This will help the next time you seek adminship. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  14:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA nomination
Yes, I would nominate you but probably in a few months. Mid January would possibly be a good timre and I'll review you properly then if you remind me. Keep up the good work! :) --Cel e stianpower háblame 17:25, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

nice guy!!!!
Special:Log/newusers WikiProject Kindness Campaign

Welcoming Committee
A user at 212.85.6.26 (contribs, talk), an IP address known for vandalism, added your user name to the list of Welcoming Committee members. You are welcome to leave your name there if you would like to join. But if you don't want to be a member, you should probably remove it. Thanks. --TantalumTelluride 15:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Upon further review, I realized that the message posted directly above this one is also from that IP address, and it seems he has added you to the Kindness Campaign as well as the New User's log. I've just listed the IP address at Administrator intervention against vandalism. --TantalumTelluride 15:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if the address can be blocked again already, but I think his rampage for today is over. A couple of users have put messages on the IP's talk page explaining that the address belongs to a computer in a public library. This is a strange case because the user is committing very unusual types of vandalism. You might want to keep an eye on its contributions to make sure it doesn't sign anything else with your user name. --TantalumTelluride 22:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair use images
Hi, I notice you have been replacing some small unfree (aka "fair use") images with bigger versions. Please don't. The "the bigger the better" rule does not apply to that kind of images (see Fair use and Image use policy for details). "Fair use" is a legal "defence" that "forgive" our use of low resolution versions of copyrighted images without permission if scertain conditions are met. Generaly speaking to be on the safe side it's best to keep images used under "fair use" as small as possible (big enough to show what needs to be shown, but no bigger). There is unfortunately no policy or guideline that define exactly where "low resolution" ends, but IMHO such images very rarely need to be bigger than "thumbnail" sized (~200px give or take), unless there is small text that must be visible for the image to make sense or something like that. Thanks for understanding. --Sherool (talk) 17:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Whops, I seem to have spoken a little soon only one of "your" images seems to be "to big" (IMHO) (Image:BBCthreeblobs.jpg). Several of them are not used though, and will probably be deleted soon ("fair use" images that have not been used in articles for at least 7 days are speedy deletion candidates. --Sherool (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

John/Jon Sopel
Hello there. I'd noticed that you'd recently contributed to the John Sopel article, and just wanted to let know that I'm afraid I've inadvertedly undone your work. My apologies. It's all explained here. Crisso 16:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

AfD of Sopel
Hi - thought you might like to know you forgot the template in your nomination, which was causing it not to appear properly in the deletion logs. I've fixed it for you. &mdash; Haeleth Talk 23:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

image deletion
If you can provide me with a list or something sure.Geni 17:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to say if they are GFDL or similar photos (ie, not fair use) PLEASE consider uploading them to commons instead! :) pfctdayelise 23:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject
How do I join WikiProject British TV Channels?  smurray  in  chester (User), (Ho Ho Ho!) 13:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Tv-screenshot
Nice one! chocolateboy 21:55, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Deleting images
I've killed the orphans but some still appear in a lot of articles.Geni 20:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Image:Uk flag large.png is in Skeleton at the 2002 Winter Olympics and Wrestling at the 1896 Summer Olympics amoungst others.Geni 17:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:PBS stations in the United States that air BBC World News
Actually, I thought I had posted that for deletion; I probably had a browser crash, got distracted, and forgot about it. :) tregoweth 22:55, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Wishes
I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. --Bhadani 16:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

BBC World peer review
I have changed some of my comments at the peer review to reflect your changes - lots of things still need to be changed such as the lead, better referencing with footnotes, and fair use rationales on the images. Please see the peer review page. — Wackymacs 10:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

BBC World peer review II
Hi Wikiwoohoo. I left some comments on the BBC World's talkpage. Happy editing.Katsam 11:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Image
Go ahead. It was only a temporary picture, anyway. I hope you enjoy South Africa!  smurray  inchester (User), (Talk) 16:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey! Welcome back! smurrayinch e ster(User), (Talk) 15:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Goodbye!
All the best over the next 8 months - you'll be missed! -- 9cds(talk) 20:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Have a good time, see ya when you get back Mr Weeble  Talk Brit tv 21:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Important message
It's been deleted. smurrayinch e ster(User), (Talk) 19:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletions
Hi. When you list an image for speedy deletion could you link to the replacement image rather than to the page the replacement image is on - it just makes it easier. Thanks. Also - why does Image:Af (03).JPG.jpg replace Image:BBCannaford.jpg? They look identical. Thanks. Secretlondon 11:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't need to upload one over the other - just put the poorer one up for deletion. Secretlondon 11:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Look at Images and media for deletion - thats for non-speedy deletion candidates. Secretlondon 12:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Image:BreakfastTitles.jpg
Hi. With the image above, I had listed that as a speedy deletion candidate, since I had uploaded a replacement for it: IMage:BBC Breakfast.png. Therefore the image you have notified me about can be deleted as such. Thanks for letting me know though. :) Wikiwoohoo 14:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. The problem is that this does not work because to qualify for speedy deletion, the replacement image must be in the same format. However, since the image is orphaned fair use, it will be deleted in five days. Stifle (talk) 16:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Listing images for deletion
Hello, Wikiwoohoo. I noticed that you recently listed Image:Bbc.gif and Image:BBCNews06c-1-.jpeg for deletion. I have just two quick comments I would like to make. First, it is important that you notify the uploader when you nominate an image for deletion; you can accomplish this by simply pasting  at the end of the user's talk page. Also, I noticed that both of these images were being used under a claim of fair use. In the future, if you run across orphaned fair-use images, you can tag the images with  and notify the uploader with   (you can copy this line from the box that is created by  ). There is no problem with listing these images for deletion, but it is quicker to use. Please let me know if you have any questions. —Bkell (talk) 15:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestions, I will do as you suggest from now on. :) With regards to Image:BBCNews06c-1-.jpeg, this was not uploaded by C.byron and so I have deleted your message regarding said image from their user talk page. I hope you do not mind. I will send a message to the actual uploader of the image now. Thank you for your help again. Wikiwoohoo 17:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, I didn't notice that the two images were uploaded by different users. Thank you for cleaning up my mess… —Bkell (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Seamus215
Do you know anything about the new idents, or a BBC WOrld revamp for the set?Seamus215 17:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit count
Username	Wikiwoohoo Total edits	1978 Distinct pages edited	806 Average edits/page	2.454 First edit	22:13, 7 August 2005 (main)	       988 Talk	       58 User	       127 User talk	135 Image	       463 Image talk	1 Template	17 Template talk	2 Category	8 Wikipedia	151 Wikipedia talk	28 Any further questions, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Viridae Talk 13:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Here are the instructions. Viridae Talk 22:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You may also try this one &mdash; M in un  Spiderman &bull; Review Me 10:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

My RfA
Thankyou for your participation in my RfA. Due to an almost even spread of votes between Oppose and Support (Final (16/13/6)) I have decided to withdraw for now and re-apply in a couple of months as suggested. I thank everyone for their kind support of my editorial skills; it meant a lot to me to get such strong recommendations from my fellow editors. If you ever have any hints as to how I can improve further, I would love to hear from you. Viridae Talk 15:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Languages
Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!!  Abdullah Geelah 13:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Please stop sending me the same message again and again, I've already archived the original message, I found the image somewhere on the internet to be honest with you Abdullah Geelah 18:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

AMA Coordinator
You should probably consult with User:The Thadman, who has apparently been working as acting coordinator in the absence of a process for choosing one. I haven't been involved in the AMA for some time, but efforts to make it a more useful part of resolving disputes are certainly welcome. --Michael Snow 23:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

re:AMA availability
''Hi Steve. This is just to confirm that I am available to take AMA cases, and if the position is still vacant, am interested in the position of AMA Coordinator. I have left a message regarding this at AMA Coordinator. I had previously contacted Michael Snow and he passed me onto you. Wikiwoohoo 23:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)''
 * I have just seen your note at AMA Coordinator. Thank you, I will add myself to the nomination list. Wikiwoohoo 23:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent :-) You kinda sneaked onto the membership list without my noticing; I usually try and welcome all new members and see how far along they are with the Advocacy process. :-) Please do add your name to the nominations list, and I believe that have a case that may be appropriate for you so check back on your talkpage soon. :-) אמר Steve Caruso</b> <b style="color:#000000;">( desk / AMA / vote for me )</b> 23:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Advocacy request
Heyo, Steve Caruso here. There is a Request for assistance by Zephyrad  (talk) on  Second-class citizen. Would you be willing to take their case? If you will, please leave a note and sign under the entry on WP:AMARQ and change "(pending)" in the heading to "(open)." When you're finished with the case, set it to "(closed)". If you're not able to take the case, please leave me a message on my talk page so I can continue searching for a willing Advocate. Many thanks! אמר <b style="color:#0033CC; font-family:monospace, monospace;">Steve Caruso</b> <b style="color:#000000;">( desk / AMA / vote for me )</b> 23:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If it is possible, it would be best to wait one more day since I will be able to give it my full attention then. Would that be a problem? Wikiwoohoo 23:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It shouldn't be a problem. Just drop the user a quick message saying the same and it should be fine. :-) אמר <b style="color:#0033CC; font-family:monospace, monospace;">Steve Caruso</b> <b style="color:#000000;">( desk / AMA / vote for me )</b> 23:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi! I apologise for the delay; I didn't want to take time for this until I really had some. A user named Mike18xx has effectively hijacked the "Second-class citizen" article. It appears any change made to it by another person is promptly (and repeatedly) reverted by him, with needless POV commentary and personal attacks on the posters, both in summaries and on the talk page. I felt bad enough when he started in on me; once he saw I would no longer play his game, he started it with others.


 * I wrote the original article together with Marskell. I understand that once posted, an article is fair game for editing, but Mike18xx's ungroomed writing style, his wholly unprofessional attitude, his multiple reverts, and his consistently nasty, insulting comments are each a detriment to this article, and to Wikipedia as a whole, as far as I can see. (Not to mention his advocation of flaming IP addresses, on the article's talk page.)


 * I would like to attempt to clean things up once more, and possibly have the article edit-protected; the list of historical examples (note: HISTORICAL examples, as stipulated earlier on) has become something of a flashpoint, and a magnet for unnecessary POV, finger-pointing, and attempts to post weak or unfounded current-events "examples". I didn't write this piece (or continue to work on it) for these kinds of purposes, and it's very disturbing to me to see it so mishandled.


 * I would be satisfied, I believe, to have another party (possibly Marskell; we haven't spoken recently) overhaul the article. My main concern is to stop persons like Mike18xx from using Wikipedia as a soapbox, and an excuse to try to hurt other people with words... which appears to be his rationale, from reading his own user and talk pages. – Thanks for your time. Zephyrad 05:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I see Pablo D. Flores has also picked up on this matter, and gotten less than positive results with the same user, while Lar has previously warned the user about his tactics. I have written each, and asked them to read the above, also. Zephyrad 06:16, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I acknowledge that this has been brought to my attention and I am monitoring contributions by this user. ++Lar: t/c 07:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Followup:

 * Thanks for your reply. I would appreciate it if you could keep an eye on this situation. I'm not in a personal dispute with Mike18xx so much as I notice he doesn't seem to take anything but himself and his own narrow opinions seriously, and thinks causing grief by the kilobyte is his mission in life, or something. I can't improve on my own (co-)creation without watching it get instantly reversed to something less, and told what I "don't understand" about the subject, and that I'm "anti-American" – all because I merely wish to change some weak phrasing. This is ridiculous on more levels than is worth discussion.


 * I have read this person's talk page, and the talk pages on other entries he has "contributed" to, and watched him smart off to one and all (even Wikipedia staff), abuse the setup, and filibuster meaningless and questionable points, while he detracts from the work of others and nearly assumes credit for it. At the same time, he equates any attempt to streamline (or wikify, as I understand it) his prose, or critique any point, as "suppression of the Truth", and the same with everyone's attempts to reason with him, or take disciplinary action. In his view, those who aren't pawns and stooges are actively trying to hide facts (not present them objectively), and punish him and others for "knowing better". This is equally ridiculous.


 * If this person showed half as much writing talent (as needed here, not in POV pieces) or objectivity as he does sheer arrogance, he might actually make a positive contribution. As it is, from what I've seen and read, his writing is substandard, his facts are slanted, his regard for peers is practically nonexistent, he's unable to take criticism, and his ignorance is only outpaced by his paranoia, and his determination to impose his (lack of) ideas wherever possible. I appreciate Pablo D. Flores taking some action, but if 24-hour blocks haven't worked, I think a 48-hour one will be like putting a bigger Band-Aid on the same bullet wound. People like this crave attention; more than is worth giving him, and I do hope something more effective, or more permanent, is in the works if he comes back expressing the same outlook.


 * I have not returned to the Second-class citizen page as yet, because I'd prefer to do so when I have adequate time to go over the whole thing (including contributions that may have been overlooked or mangled by recent events). I would still be interested in seeking edit-protection for a revised article, particularly for the list of examples, which I do believe should be limited to noted historical items, not arguable or POV ones from recent memory or interpretation. (There are persons of every race, belief, and economic level, who believe they are unheeded, exploited, or oppressed by the people around them. A page such as this is not the place for blame-gaming.) – Thanks for your help. Zephyrad 12:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your messages, and my apologies for not responding sooner; real life has beckoned the last few weeks. So far it appears that Mike18xx has backed off, or found something else to do, which pleases me greatly. I do intend to go back and clean up the Second-class citizen page, when I have time to devote to a proper cleanup (and the mood is right); I still find its present status unsatisfying, but don't want to do half a job. Zephyrad 00:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

On an unrelated note... you may want to peruse (or refer to someone to peruse) the contributions of CyberSongs, who apparently claims to have invented, predicted, or precipitated every other technological development and trend since rippled toilet paper, offering "proof" in the form of links to his own blog or Web pages, or message boards where he has posted essentially the same unverified/unverifiable claims. (I believe this falls under "circular arguments"; correct me if I'm wrong.) Meanwhile anyone who disagrees, or asks for hard evidence or outside substantiation, is merely "censoring" him, and/or spelling out their own doom. (He and I tangled awhile back, when he inserted a number of POV comments, non-sequitors and unrelated matter into another of my articles [ Songshark ], which I promptly reverted or moved to its talk page. He replied sometime later with a number of further POV remarks and personal attacks, which I answered point-by-point... and never received a response.)

There is a difference between "inventing" or "discovering" something, and merely observing "I'll bet this is going to be big someday!" He doesn't appear to know the difference, and I don't see validation or proof of anything, except possibly his own humbug, naiveté, or delusions of grandeur. (Anyone with as much education and experience as he boasts on his user and talk pages alone ought to be either too busy to make contributions to Wikipedia, too rich to care, or at least be able to have a better writer working on his behalf, IMO.) – Thanks for your time. Zephyrad 00:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

That other matter
Yeah, the warnings and dialogue you're referring to came overnight, after I noticed this guy had posted even more self-serving fluff, and it kinda got my goat. I referred one page (discussing his "company") for speedy deletion as advertising, and proposed another (claiming to have developed or "proven" the Unified Field Equation – again through his "company") for deletion as original research (and a possible hoax, since he took primary credit for "completing Einstein's work" in this area, and how it would affect the price of tea in China).

A MONGO took action (deleting both pages), prompting the guy to flip out, claim everyone was trying to suppress or "screw with" him, and asking who made the proposal so he could sue them (me) for defamation. Konstable then intervened, and also dropped me a note about using the word "hoax", despite the qualifier. I gave a largely rhetorical reply, explained where/how I found that as grounds (in Wikipedia's own guidelines, no less), and he seemed satisfied.

So yes, there are indeed admins onto this person now, and it'll be interesting to see what develops. I have nothing personal against him, but I do hate to see anyone's time and energies wasted, or anyone misled, by this sort of garbazhe. Meanwhile, I see no reason to stop editing on Wikipedia (despite one person's grumpiness, and I'm glad someone else mentioned that in the help pages); it's an outlet, a chance to share what I know and keep my writing skills in shape... and if I want to toot my own horn, I have my own, off-Wiki pages for that. ;-) – Thanks. Zephyrad 05:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza/User Page Award
Hi Wikiwoohoo! You've signed up to be a judge for the Esperanza User Page Award! You'll have three user pages to examine. The user pages you get coincide with your signup number. So if you signed up to be a judge in spot 1 than you will get nominations 1-3. Pick your favorite one, and list it in the finalist section. After all 5 judges have chosen a finalist it's time to award them 1-10 points in the four categories:


 * Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
 * Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
 * Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
 * General niceness: at the judges' discretion

Please see the Scores section on this page for additional information on your job as a judge.

Keep in mind that your scores are confidential! Email Shreshth91 with your scores and final picks. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks. May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 08:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza/User Page Award
Greetings, Wikiwoohoo. The judges would like to announce that the winner for the Esperanza User Page Contest has been chosen. Congratulations to Buchanan-Hermit  for winning the contest. The winning entry can be found here.

If you'd like to participate in the contest again, check by the contest page in a few days and sign up. See you around. May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: userpage
Thanks for the congratulations message. Yeah, it did take a lot of planning but once I started making it, thing went quite smoothly. A bit time-consuming but it was worth it. :) -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™ /<font color="red" size="1">?!  17:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Advocacy request
Heyo, Steve Caruso here. There is a Request for assistance by Thankyoubaby  (talk) on Deja Vu (Beyoncé song). Would you be willing to take their case? If you will, please leave a note and sign under the entry on WP:AMARQ and change "(pending)" in the heading to "(open)." When you're finished with the case, set it to "(closed)". If you're not able to take the case, please leave me a message on my talk page so I can continue searching for a willing Advocate. Many thanks! אמר <b style="color:#0033CC; font-family:monospace, monospace;">Steve Caruso</b> <B> ( desk / AMA ) </B> 13:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

AMA Request
Hi, thanks for contacting me. My problem is with User:Tigermichal over the article Deja Vu (Beyoncé song).

Basically, I haven't added anything to the page, I was just watching it. There was some paragraphs on the page about how Beyonce's fans had a petition for a reshoot for the video, and one about the song "underperforing" at radio compared to her last singles, and Tigermichal kept removing them, while I kept putting them back because it's Point of View to not have them, and I think it's encyclopedic to keep them. The petition was mentioned on the TV show Extra, and the other one (which has been readded now) is just explaining the charts. So after I did a few reverts and told Tigermichal of the problem, he went after me, so I went for help.

It's not that big of a deal, and I've just ignored that page now anyways, I just think this user is a bit problematic, especially if you look at his talk page...

Thanks, Thankyoubaby 19:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, I can wait... :) Thankyoubaby 22:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

BBC news
Yes, I remember reviewing the BBC news article. However, I don't get much time these days to participate in WP, so I won't be able to review it. I'm really sorry about that. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  15:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Milla Jovovich
The user in question edits from 213.240.3.* IP (see ). The problems are that he wants to portray Milla's origin as being Montenegrin. While this is partly true, he abuses the fallacy of equivocation, as the word "Montenegrin" could have two meanings: While Milla's family does come from Montenegro, it is not a part of Montenegrin nation (which I could elaborate, if you want to know more). To that end, for example in, he removes references about her knowledge of Serbian language and misinterprets reference about her Serbian origin.
 * from Montenegro
 * of Montenegrin nation

A compromise is possible, for example by saying that she is Montenegrin Serb by origin, but I don't believe that the user would listen to it. Nikola 20:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Montenegro is a country. Various nations live in it. In the widest sense of the word, Montenegrins are all inhabitants of Montenegro, regardless of their nation (you may think of it as, say, Corsicans being all inhabitants of Corse, regardless of their nation). In a narrower sense, the meaning is somewhat ambiguous.


 * Prior to 1945, utmost majority of inhabitants of Montenegro were considered and have considered themselves as Serbs, and it is undisputed (see Demographic history of Montenegro). In the narrower sense of the word, Montenegrins are these Serbs who live in Montenegro (and who have different culture than f.e. Albanians who live in Montenegro). After 1945, communist government in Yugoslavia created Montenegrins as a new nation, and maintained that they are not Serbs. For decades, people could not freely declare on the issue. Now when they can, most of them declare as Montenegrins and a large minority declare as Serbs. In the narrowest sense of the word, Montenegrins are those who don't declare as Serbs. See Montenegrins for more details.


 * Related to Milla, her family either lived in Montenegro prior to 1945 or (her father) consider themselves Serb after 1945, so there is no reason to call her Montenegrin. Nikola 20:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * First, thank you for taking the time to deal with this. How Milla considers her background is not the issue at the moment: none of the references mention that.


 * However, even if there is an official website with this info, it may not be definitive. If I may take some more of your time, the root of the problem is that in this issue the anon is using the fallacy of equivocation. For example, when he says that she is of Montenegrin origin, it could mean either:


 * from Montenegro
 * of Montenegrins


 * The first meaning is true, but the second isn't. The anon gave a couple of references which say that she is of Montenegrin origin; this tells us nothing, as it could refer to either of the meanings. Nikola 20:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Just occured to me that I never thanked you for your participation in all of this. Well, thank you :) Nikola 17:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:ESP/UPA template to judges
Just letting you know I fixed the error in the template you gave to the five judges - the current overseer is Celestianpower, and that's who we'll be sending our scores to. However, thanks for filling in and distributing the templates - as I'm going to be doing it next time, I was wondering what the link is to add them to pages, or if it's manual submission by copy-and-paste. Cheers, <font face="sans-serif">Daniel.Bryant 02:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandal
Sorry, I'm afraid I missed your original message... still, good to see it's been worked out! <font style="color:#5500BB">smurrayinch <font style="color:green">e <font style="color:#5500BB">ster(User), (Talk) 16:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

BBC News
In response to your question, yes definitely it should be summarized. The details should be placed in the sub-articles if they exist. You may also want to look at the article I worked on, The Philadelphia Inquirer, which is also a news medium, for ideas on how you might want to format the BBC News article. Medvedenko 02:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal case: advocate review requested
Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-05 Pravknight/FeloniousMonk has been reviewed by two mediators and in their opinion the case seems more an advocacy request than a mediation request. I'd appreciate it if you'd take a peek and determine if this is the case or not? Thanks! <i style="color:#FF00FF;">~Kylu ( u | t ) </i> 22:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

BBC News
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to BBC News, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. - RoyBoy 800 20:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah sorry about that, I had already reverted myself back to your version, but forgotten I had sent this warning. My bad. - RoyBoy 800 20:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Archives
Generally it's best to keep archives; you never know when you might need them again. Still, if you still want them deleted, drop a line. La  ï  ka 21:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

But why? Why!?
Why do you appear to have only one barnstar to your name? What on earth has caused this oversight? Cheeses, you must have more than one to your name. I only hope someone, somewhere, feels it a good idea to give you one. A barnstar, I mean. ➨  ЯEDVERS  19:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC) (shiftily looking left and right to see if anyone has.)

WP:BBC
<div style="border: 2px solid #484898; background: #FFF; background-color:#E2E7FF; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 90%"> Welcome!

Hi, and welcome to the BBC WikiProject! We're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the British Broadcasting Corporation.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Unisouth 19:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Image
Would you mind fixing the link on this one? Thanks! --Fang Aili talk 21:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Aeon & Wikiwoohoo,
Alrighty guys, here's a rediculously crazy situation: On top of the 10 cases piling up, new people joining the organization, and other crazy stuff hitting the fan... my wife and I are expecting our new daughter to arrive any day now. :-)

As a result, I'm going to be out of full swing for a couple of weeks and I need you guys to do your best to keep the AMA afloat. The Wikiholic that I am, I know that I won't be away completely, but my appearences will be unpredictable at best. I trust you guys, as you've proven that you know how to keep cool during crunchtime, and if at any time things get too unruly to handle, send me an email and I'll see if I can drop by to help out. :-)

Wish me luck! אמר <b style="color:#0033CC; font-family:monospace, monospace;">Steve Caruso</b> <B> ( desk / AMA ) </B> 15:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

BBC Portal
I see that you removed my link to the BBC Portal from Bbc.co.uk. Can you let me know (or point me at the appropriate policy) when portal links should and should not be used? I assumed that portals were like categories in that anything which falls into the subject area which the category or portal covers should be linked to it. By that reasoning it would make sense for all BBC related articles to be linked to the BBC Portal. All the main London Underground articles seem to be linked to the Tube Portal. I am sure that I am missing something here but I am not sure what. --DanielRigal 23:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza User Page Award
Greetings, Wikiwoohoo. The judges would like to announce that the winner for the Esperanza User Page Contest has been chosen. Congratulations to MacGyverMagic  for winning the contest. The winning entry can be found here.

If you'd like to participate in the contest again, check by the contest page in a few days and sign up. See you around. Daniel.Bryant 10:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

We Have an Advocate Problem
One user who is a new advocate is appairently not very much help, telling advocees to just seek medcab or request arbitration. Discussion on WT:AMA. -Royalguard11 (Talk·Desk) 23:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

User page award - a thank you
Thanks for the award. I will try and re-enter the Esperanza User Page award once I have fixed some little bugs with my user pages. --tgheretford (talk) 19:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Semi-protect function
Hi. I'm not an admin but I was wondering if this would still allow me to semi-protect certain pages that have been vandalised quite often within the past few days. If not, how could I go about having this assigned to articles? Wikiwoohoo 20:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello! Take your business case for semi-protection to Requests for page protection.  It will be assessed and granted/refused after a discussion. (aeropagitica) 20:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

BBC WikiProject: BBC2 idents
I noticed there wasn't a page in existence relating to the BBC2 idents of 1991-2001, so I would like to start by creating a page for this. However, if it's okay, I request help with supplying the pictures as I'm not entirely sure how to use this yet, and don't wish to make any copyright blunders. If you, or someone else, can help when I'm done I'll appreciate it. Thanks. - Psychic Potato 10:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I also used MHP for the Paper Cut-out and Crystal Ball pictures. I'll continue to make some more progress tomorrow. - Psychic Potato 16:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with your recent edits, a few details which I missed out first time round. However, could there be a Copper Cut-Out image with the older BBC logo perhaps, as it looks out of place? Also, I think there should be a section on Christmas & special programme specific idents such as Red Dwarf Night. If either of us has the time, it would make a reasonable addition. -- Psychic Potato 10:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Tireless Contribution Barnstar
I wish you luck for the good article renomination. --tgheretford (talk) 21:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, excellent work done on the BBC News 24 article :). Now just to get BBC News to GA status (its a GAC at the moment). RHB 21:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
For your kind welcome, I've been to the meeting page and looked around. I still feel new, it will take me a while to learn what to do and the right way to do it, but I hope to become an avid contributer. At the moment though, I'm inundated. Dfrg.m s c 1. 2 . Editor Review 00:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

PS: Nice Username.