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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:ZeLard


A tag has been placed on Draft:ZeLard, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because it provides factual and verifiable information about ZeLard, a custom software company. The article includes details about the company's history and more facts, all of which are supported by reliable sources.

Furthermore, the article's tone is neutral and objective, avoiding any overly promotional language or hyperbole. It is written in an encyclopedic style, focusing on presenting information rather than promoting the company.

Moreover, ZeLard is a notable company in the field of custom software development, with a track record of successful projects and satisfied clients. As such, it is reasonable to expect that there would be interest in creating a Wikipedia page about the company, and it would not be appropriate to delete the page solely on the grounds of it being promotional.

In conclusion, the ZeLard page on Wikipedia is not unambiguously promotional and should not be deleted. It provides factual and verifiable information about a notable company in a neutral and objective manner, fulfilling the standards and criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia. --CloudyLinux (talk) 18:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC) Copied from Draft talk:ZeLard
 * I have gone ahead and deleted it, but I wanted to address your comments.
 * "The article includes details about the company's history and more facts, all of which are supported by reliable sources." Please read our policy on reliable sources to learn what Wikipedia considers to be a reliable source. Specifically, focus on the section on self-published sources.  Please also read our policy on independant sources, which goes into more detail about the requirement that sources be independent.  The sources cited in the draft consisted of the company's website, the Telegram channel of the CEO, and the Telegram channel of the CMO.  None of those are independant, and Telegram is a self-published source, like other social media websites.
 * "The article's tone is neutral and objective, avoiding any overly promotional language or hyperbole". Seriously? Some examples of overly promotional language or hyperbole include: "recognized for delivering high-quality software solutions", "collaborates with clients globally to create customized solutions tailored to their specific needs", and "The company's commitment to excellence is demonstrated by its focus on meeting project deadlines . . . (etc)".
 * "ZeLard is a notable company in the field of custom software development" The word "Notable" has a slightly different meaning on Wikipedia than it does elsewhere. Elsewhere it means "worthy of note".  On Wikipedia it means, "has been taken note of by reliable sources." Please read the notability guidelines for companies for more specifics on what makes a company notable for our purposes here.
 * "A track record of successful projects and satisfied clients" That does not matter for our purposes.
 * "It is reasonable to expect that there would be interest in creating a Wikipedia page about the company," Interest by whom? You have not cited any sources from which to draw information about the company, or to show that there has been interest  in the company on the part of the general public.  Who do you think is interested in this page article, and why?  Answer that and you'll have some idea where to look for sources, or why a page article is not appropriate at this time.
 * "it would not be appropriate to delete the page solely on the grounds of it being promotional" It is appropriate to delete a wholly promotional page article on the grounds that it is an advertisement masquarading as an encyclopedia article. It is a fundamental part of who we are and what we do.  See Wikipedia is not advertising, and The speedy deletion critera for ads.
 * Lastly, you'll notice where you say page, I have struck through page and put article. It can help you understand what wer are trying to do here if you use proper terminology.  A company has a webpage, or a page on a social media site, to help publicize itself.  On Wikipedia, we have encyclopedia articles about notable topics.  A company owns and has the right to control its pages, but it does not have the right to own or control a Wikipedia article about it.  It's a subtle but important distinction. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 18:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)