User talk:Clovermoss/Archive 11

Random advice
Regarding some of the recent discussion threads on acceptable comments during requests for administrative privileges: I find it difficult to offer advice, as my previous advice was, in part, "don't take advice from random people on the Internet". However, along the same lines, I feel it's important to avoid becoming overly invested in seeking trust from random people on the Internet. For better or worse, some people (on- or offline) will behave in ways we can't understand. Our control over that is very limited, so we can only manage our reaction and temper how much we choose to engage. Best wishes again for everything you choose to do. isaacl (talk) 03:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't regret a word of what I said. Nothing is ever going to change if people suffer in silence and don't try to stop toxicity in our community, whether it's at RfA or elsewhere. I'm not asking for anything groundbreaking here – just for people to do the right thing and not cast aspersions or be needlessly cruel. I've always taken issue with the fact that people will act like it's the victim's fault for having feelings and feeling hurt by such situations. It's human nature. I realize that you're trying to be helpful, but please do think about what I'm trying to say? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 05:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I apologize for being unclear. My comments were not related to that thread, but to the previous actions to which you referred. You expressed regret about some previous actions that you made in an attempt to allay another person's concerns. I'm suggesting that you needn't be overly worried about the concerns of an anonymous person, as there may be no way to resolve them, but of course it's up to you. I agree that you are the best judge of what course of action to take. Please rest assured I understand what you have been saying, and feel free to pay me no mind, as per my advice. isaacl (talk) 06:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You're always welcome to throw your two cents here so please don't ever feel like your opinion is not worth giving, okay? I may not always agree with everyone who shows up to my talk page but I'm always willing to listen and hear them out at least.
 * I see a bit more where you're coming from now. Yeah... that was a "if I had a time machine" kind of wish. I wish past me had never tried to assuage that person's concerns. I was trying to level the playing field because they could only really take other people's word that I had been to meetups so I genuinely thought that sharing a photograph of me would be enough to banish any lingering doubt. But that situation ended up going the way I would never have predicted in that they think I look like a banned sockmaster too. If I had never reached out, I wouldn't have been hurt the same way and I wouldn't have a reason to avoid said editor whenever our paths cross. It's just a situation that sucks on multiple levels. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * obXKCD. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

RfA debriefs
There's a place to link or create one, if you've written one or are thinking of doing so. Valereee (talk) 13:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I think starting that recent discussion at WT:RFA is all I'm willing to write on the subject at the moment. I was planning to eventually write something here about my experiences, but it's quite generalized for now. I can let you know when you want if it's that something you'd be interested in? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure! Valereee (talk) 19:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey, I wrote one. I'm warning you ahead of that time that it's quite long and you might have to read it in more than one sitting. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 05:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Very thoughtful, and I always find it interesting to learn how the process is going internally for the candidate/potential candidate. Thank you for setting all that down! Valereee (talk) 11:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: rollback issues
I had my rollback rights intentionally removed by request due to major issues with the interface. Viriditas (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * What kind of issues were you experiencing? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Unintentional rollback while browsing on mobile desktop. I thought I had solved the problem by getting rid of the rollback right, but now some old script is giving me rollback links in contribution view.  Can you take a look at my script files? Viriditas (talk) 07:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm horrible at understanding scripts, but it sounds like you're describing twinkle as it also has a rollback feature that isn't "real" rollback. Going to Twinkle/Preferences might help you with what you're looking for? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 07:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed! You’re the bee’s knees!  The only thing I can think of is that sometime after I had rollback removed, I must have somehow turned the Twinkle features on by accident.  No idea how that happened. Viriditas (talk) 08:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * (talk page watcher) @Viriditas: if you ever want to request rollback again, there is an option under Preferences > Gadgets to require confirmation when using rollback on mobile; this helps decrease the chances of doing accidental rollback. :) –FlyingAce✈hello 14:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just be sure to not also check the preference where you open up said user's contributions after the fact because that's when saying "no" to the confirmation prompt does nothing! These settings do not work together and I didn't immediately realize this even though it says so in that menu. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 15:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I honestly have no need for rollback, so I probably won't re-request it.  I'm really only here to write and improve articles.  I will leave the patrolling to others. Viriditas (talk) 00:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from SoryThank (08:44, 11 May 2024)
What if i edit the pages with the Warning of Undisclosed Payments or Major contributor have closed connection with it. Is I'm will blocked if i edit on these warning pages. ?? --SoryThank (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Editing such a page itself will not cause you to be blocked unless there are other factors involved. However, if you are being paid to edit, you must disclose this. There's a good guide about what to do if you have a conflict of interest that you can read here. Feel free to come back if you have any other questions. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 08:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How to disclose ? What is Disclose SoryThank (talk) 08:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Disclosing means saying that you are being paid to edit (and not just keeping it a secret). You can use on your userpage to let people know. If you find the template confusing, I can add it for you, if you tell me what you might have a conflict of interest about.  Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 08:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you For Giving me Information SoryThank (talk) 09:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm unable to edit Draft Articles. A warning shows that my IP address is blocked but my account is not blocked. what is the Problem? SoryThank (talk) 09:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you available? SoryThank (talk) 10:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not always available. I'm under the impression you should be able to edit draftspace, given that you're able to edit here and you are not partially blocked from draftspace. Is there a specific draft you're trying to edit? What exactly happens when you try to do so? Also, it's important to declare whether or not you are a paid editor. Could you confirm this by either saying "yes" or "no"? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not a Paid user.
 * The problem is with my IP address.
 * I'm unable to edit Draft Articles and abme to edit Articles in the main Space. SoryThank (talk) 13:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I just can't think of anything that would cause you to actually have that problem even if your IP address is blocked. I'll ask around in case other people know something I don't. Are you trying to start a new draft or edit an existing one? If it's a new page, it might be "salted"? Clovermoss 🍀 (talk) 13:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You have to give IP block exemption SoryThank (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your email, Clovermoss. This account is a sockpuppet of Sockpuppet investigations/Nauman335 and has been blocked. A telltale sign with these sockfarms is creating pages with unnecessary disambiguators, such as this account's Zard Patton Ka Bunn (2024), since Zard Patton Ka Bunn had already been repeatedly deleted. Pretty well any new article on a recent Pakistani television show is likely to be this sockfarm's work, unfortunately. Thanks for your help. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Protection of AN and ANI headers
Hey, not a big deal, but that seems a bit PREEMPTish to me. They're each transcluded in only one page, which is usually unprotected. So anyone could disrupt just as easily by editing AN or ANI directly. I have, in the past, made a few improvements to the header, and so have some other non-TEs. Maybe semi or EC would be sufficient? (Also, I don't think we want to give free reign over the header...) Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 02:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm always happy to be a punch line for the amusement of my fellow editors. EEng 05:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . My concern was not about transclusions which is why I made a dummy edit here. My protection was placed solely due to this phrasing over at High-risk templates (which allows preemptive protection): It is used in a permanently highly visible location (such as the Main page). AN/ANI are both highly watched and visible pages but the templates are not. It actually took me a half hour of looking at the source code on the page to figure out what was going on there when I wanted to improve the AN header to match something that was said on the ANI one. Essentially, my thought process was that autoconfirmed wasn't much of a barrier and that a vandal could target AN/ANI this way and people wouldn't easily know who to revert. I also figured that the nature of these templates meant people weren't editing them often/those who would likely had the template editor perm. But if another admin thinks it's overkill on my end, I'm okay with my protection of the pages being reversed. Pinging who knows a lot more about templates than I do.  Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 05:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Log link
 * Howdy! Thanks for the ping. I agree with Suffusion of Yellow on this one. I don't think the community likes WP:PREEMPT, and these two pages have no recent vandalism in their history, and these two pages do not qualify for automatic protection. The two pages also have a history of constructive edits by non-template editors. I would recommend unprotecting completely the two pages, although will leave the decision up to you. Hope this helps. Happy editing. – Novem Linguae (talk) 06:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree that they don't qualify because my rationale was literally the section above the one you linked (the visibility aspect). But as I said, I really don't mind if someone wants to reverse the action. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 07:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Enough objection has been raised here that I'll undo the protection myself when I have a spare few minutes later today. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 07:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ what I said I would do. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 10:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Frankly, I find that page confusing, what is "highly visible" even supposed to mean in that context? The example given (the Main Page) doesn't really help; that's cascade-protected. I guess one could consider total pageviews, e.g. if a template is transcluded into 50 pages, each getting 100,000 views/day, it's not "highly transcluded" by still "highly visible". Or does it supposed to mean "transcluded into a protected page that gets lots of views"...? In any case I still wouldn't object to EC protection of the headers, but would prefer to wait for actual disruption from a few AC accounts. ANI may be the center of wiki-drama, and is certainly a magnet for vandals, but it still only gets about 4000 views/day. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The way I interpreted it was that a template that transcludes onto a page that is highly visible, not necessarily protected itself. It gave the example of the main page as a highly visible permanent location so I thought that the main noticeboards for adminstration of the website would fit that definition (as they consistently get hundreds of thousands of pageviews monthly). Again, my concern was that it's a way to easily vandalize AN/ANI without anyone noticing right away (changes to said template are not going to show up as changes to AN/ANI so people who are just watching that page aren't going to see it and people who don't understand what exactly is transcluding won't know who to revert). That seemed to fit the vibe of what High-risk templates was describing, hence my original decision. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 02:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Women in Green GA Editathon June 2024 - Going Back in Time
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Question from Ricardo Ghekiere (20:37, 16 May 2024)
Hi there!

Just submitted my first article and open for feedback on the style, editing or anything else!

Ricardo Ghekiere --Ricardo Ghekiere (talk) 20:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi – I assume you're talking about your userpage? I realize that this probably isn't the best news to hear, but I deleted it because it is unambiguous advertising or promotion. The purpose of Wikipedia isn't that but to write neutral articles notable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. This guide may be useful if you wish to try again?  Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 22:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hammerhead1959 (22:43, 16 May 2024)
Hello my name is Greg.....what exactly would I edit --Hammerhead1959 (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Whatever you wish to edit. If you'd like to explain your general interests, I can try to find a fitting "wikiproject" or walk you through how to expand articles that are lacking in content. I've left some links on your talk page that may be helpful as well. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Bluebellwoodland (18:52, 19 May 2024)
Hi, I'm new to this and registered because I saw something that appeared to be misleading and was unevidenced on an entry that I was looking up. I've put in an extended confirmed protected request with the info but can't seem to see if anyone has reviewed it. How does this work - do I just wait for someone to look at it? --Bluebellwoodland (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, edit requests are reviewed by volunteers when they have time, so you are correct in your guess that you do have to wait for someone to look at it. In the meantime, I'll leave some links on your talk page that you might find useful. Always feel free to ask me questions if you're confused about anything. Cheers, Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 18:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your prompt reply. How long does it usually take and how would I know if someone has reviewed it? (just as it's coming up to a couple of weeks, and I don't know whether to realistically expect that it would be looked at and considered, or it's unlikely to be). Bluebellwoodland (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi – You can see any edits people make to a page if you have it on your watchlist (this shows up as a filled in star on the top of the page; if it isn't full, just click it). I realize that you've been patient, so how about I'll take a look at your draft and give you some constructive advice? I have the ability to pass or reject drafts, even if I rarely do so. It'd help if you could provide a link so I can easily find it.  Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi,
 * Thanks for the reply.
 * Here is a link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Omar_Ferwana&oldid=1224317790
 * (Incidentally, I've been practising some wildflower id in preparation for meadow surveying this year, and I was pleased to see the hairs when I zoomed in on your picture of clover - obviously the flower helped too!) Bluebellwoodland (talk) 09:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . It's nice to hear you like clover as well :) What you have linked is actually an edit request and not a draft. That said, you were still right on your assumption that you have to wait for these to get approved/rejected. I'm guessing some factors involved in why you've been waiting awhile are that not every editor speaks Arabic and some editors are hesitant to work in areas designated as contentious topics. I don't speak Arabic or know anyone off the top of my head that does but I do know someone who had extensive experience handling edit requests and has also worked with contentious topics., any chance you have any ideas here? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 11:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You've got it right. There's a confluence of factors making it less likely for this request to be handled, although eventually someone clearing the asking requests will get to it. It might be worth dropping a note at a wikiproject, or making the edit request at RFPP to get more eyes on it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, I noticed you mentioned that it actually was an edit request in your initial question. I'm not sure where I got the false assumption that you were asking about a draft? Usually it's what people to come to me to ask about so I think I just leapt to conclusions there. Sorry. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 11:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for that, and no problem.
 * I only added the Arabic because I was trying my best to find a reference for what was said, and even the Arabic page doesn't say that, even though much of the rest of it just seems to be a direct translation. The English reference provided doesn't, and to be fair, if it is an English page, the reference for such a controversial allegation should be easily available, which was why it irked me. If it is evidenced, that is fine.
 * I understand why, as you said, some editors would see this as contentious, and to be fair, this is not something I'd otherwise be interested in, except that I was doing some research on doctors killed in conflict zones, and came across it, but have just realised that there are probably lots of things on wikipedia like this that I have no idea about which is a slightly sobering reflection. In any case, thanks for the work you do on here! Bluebellwoodland (talk) 13:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Ketchup chips
I have a photo of a ketchup chip bag from Portugal but don’t know how to upload it. @ Marksuniverse (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . I'm assuming this is related to how I recently reverted you here? I believe you that there are indeed ketchup chips in Portugal. My concern has more to do with how such information needs to be verifiable from a reliable source. I tried to find one to support your addition but the search results I found were ads, which aren't appropriate sources. To answer your question though, files can typically be uploaded through our sister project: Wikimedia Commons. It can get a bit complicated when dealing with taking photos of food packaging because they often have trademarks or logos that are protected by copyright. I'd double check with their help desk before trying to upload this file for that reason. I hope you find this helpful – feel free to come back here if you have any other questions. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 20:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red June 2024
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Question from Jw53442 studio (03:35, 26 May 2024)
Idk how to --Jw53442 studio (talk) 03:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . I'm afraid I don't have enough context here to know what you'd like help with. Could you please elaborate? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 03:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Noahabram12 (06:37, 29 May 2024)
Hello, Can I add Information para with citation, Can you please its good to give situation every time or not --Noahabram12 (talk) 06:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * FYI MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist. Pahunkat (talk) 08:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Noahabram12 (09:04, 29 May 2024)
Hello, can you please help me to remove my domain in spaim --Noahabram12 (talk) 09:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am only able to help with questions related to editing Wikipedia. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 12:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am guessing that this friend was talking about the MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. (See also their talk page.) You could fix that, though in this case the blacklist is certainly doing its job ;) And nice to see you back at RfA as a nominator, Clovermoss. I had the pleasure of working with Elli at Talk:1934 German head of state referendum/GA1, and look forward to casting a support !vote. House Blaster  (talk · he/him) 22:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't even think of that! I don't have any plans to mess with the spam blacklist 😅 I'm glad to hear that you also believe in Elli. She really is wonderful. I hope my newly minted adminship doesn't end up being a detriment to her candidacy. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 22:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Distinction at RFA
Thanks for calling out the difference between Oversight and Revdel. I was unaware. Even though I thought it was a RevDel I removed the question as it may have been related to something personal. The second question was innocuous IMO but I think it got scrutinized because of who asked. The candidate answered it anyway. So thanks for nominating this candidate - we need an admin like this with good mainspace participation. I hope someday we can also meet in person as it seems to remove the thoughts that some editors are boogeymen or saboteurs. Have a great weekend. Lightburst (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, sometimes it does help to get a chance to meet the person behind the screen. I'm not sure how far you are from Ontario but I'm generally open to meeting Wikipedians in public places if you're ever around. If you're curious, I'm the young woman in the green hoodie here. The last time I shared this with someone didn't go so well, but hopefully this conversation won't turn out the same way. As for the questions, I think there's a decent chance they would've been moderated even if you weren't the one to ask them. I think people are generally trying to be less harsh on RfA candidates (I think the aftermath of questions #6 and #7 in my RfA might have influenced this a bit; it's also possible I'm overestimating my own importance here). Anyways, I hope you have a good weekend as well. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 01:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I plan to travel soon. The only places I have been in Canada is BC and I had to take a ferry to Vancouver Island. I was there to visit a friend who has died since. I think this would be a kinder place if everyone had to be a real person and not a username. It is easy to be mean or snarky when you can throw away a username and start a new one. And easy to be mean to other editors with throwaway names. In RFA, there has long been an unofficial steering committee, and they are very jumpy about oppose voters and even more so now. For my part, I always scrutinize the RFA candidates because it is a lifetime appointment and getting a bad admin or a braggadocios block-first admin is a real possibility. If these were five year stints it would be no bog deal. But think of all the life changes people have and just imagine if you live to be 100, you will still be an admin. It is a nice photo by the way, looks like a wikimeet. Some Wikipedians that I admire are in the UK and NZ. I am not sure we will ever meet. I like to make peace with editors since I too will be editing until I am 100 and many of them will too. Cheers. Lightburst (talk) 02:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that photo was taken at a meetup. Wikipedia Day in Toronto, earlier this year. I was talking to newbies about how to edit. It's a bit different trying to do this in person but I liked it. It's what inspired newbie central at the top of this page. :)
 * I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I recently vacationed in Victoria and it was beautiful. I also encountered a lovely intersection of streets (Clover Avenue and Moss Street) as well as Clover Point. It's on my to do list of articles to create. :) I don't think you commented on this at my RfA but I do try to create some content every now and then. I actually started clover lawn while I was running at RfA. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 02:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, BC is spectacular. I think some people are what they appear to be, and maybe you are. Someone met you and said so in your RFA, and you met this candidate and said so in the RFA. The lifetime thing is probably why so many folks dig. Wayback machine, WPO and all other means. By the way, I murder the clovers and dandelions on my lawn with chemicals. They take over and are considered weeds. lol Maybe I would be kinder to nature if I grew a Clover lawn! Lightburst (talk) 02:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * One person's weed is another one's flower. I hope you reconsider your stance on the lawn but I'm also not going to tell you what to do with your life. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Feedback
Hello, Clovermoss, My NPP review period is ending and I'd like your feedback so I can improve. I'm also wondering what is the procedure to be able to keep the user right for a longer period (permanent would be nice but I'd like a long period). Thanks! If you reply here, please ping me. thetechie@enwiki :  ~/talk/  $  16:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Noted. I'll get back to you with some feedback within the next few days. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 18:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, so here is my feedback:
 * You've only made 21 patrols during the time period so it's a bit difficult to extrapolate your entire skillset here. I'd like to see more experience patrolling before I grant a permission permanently.
 * I'd be careful marking articles that look like this as patrolled. It's a good idea to use page curation to add tags (in this case, I would've added an unsourced tag or considered draftifying). I notice that you eventually made use of this feature here and here so I doubt I'm saying anything you haven't already realized.
 * I'd suggest being careful reviewing articles like Janaki Sthan unless you understand the language that is used as a source. It can be more difficult to find some issues like copyright violations or if the reference used even mentions the subject of the article.
 * I'd also suggest being careful when reviewing sports-related articles (such as Blake Howes). I just want to make sure you're aware of WP:SPORTCRIT because it's an area where notability requirements have changed over time.
 * However, I don't see any glaring issues after spotchecking your patrols. You've done well. :) I'm happy that you spotted the copyright violation on Ron Burman and requested revdel. Those aren't always easy to discern. Since my initial trial perm was only a month, I'll extend the right another three months so you have a chance to gain more experience. If things continue to go well, I wouldn't be opposed to granting the perm on a permanent basis.
 * Clovermoss 🍀 (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  23:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Though please remind me if you can before it ends, in case I forget.  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  00:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Lightburst (talk) 16:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Help me sir
Greetings sir, I saw my article was unfairly nominated for deletion, sir i pled you help me revert it so I can further improve the article and i don’t know why the edit did that as I used references from reliable sources, please help remove the tag @Light Hill Music, thanks. Madeforall1 (talk) 06:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Madeforall1, you shouldn't remove any tag from article and stop disturbing editors irrelevantly with bad faith rationale. The article was limited for certain reasons, it's your duty to argue why it shouldn't be deleted. See WP:AFD. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 07:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Everything is fine Sir, I assume Good faith. Madeforall1 (talk) 07:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, there's no need for honorifics. Your conversation above was presumably with one of my page watchers. Anyways, reverting an AfD nomination is not how one should act in these scenarios. You should participate in the AfD itself, which I see you have already done. It looks like the main concern is WP:NMUSICIAN – Wikipedia has its own guidelines for which subjects are notable enough for an article. I would try to focus your comments at AfD in regards to how you think this article meets the listed criteria there. Reading Guide to deletion might also help. Feel free to come back here with any further questions if you're still confused, okay? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from SmallButtons (09:54, 5 June 2024)
I joined and put up a page about myself - Ray (Raymond) Martin - with reference gowr.co.uk a few days ago but nothing seems to have appeared. --SmallButtons (talk) 09:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . It appears that you are talking about your userpage. It's a page that's meant to briefly tell people about who you are as a person and is not an article that people will read in mainspace. As an example, this is mine. If you're trying to draft an article, please read this page. Writing an autobiography is heavily discouraged because it is a conflict of interest. I'd suggest trying to find some other article to work on that fits your interests. I can help you find an article you might be interested in improving if you give me some ideas about what exactly those interests are. Feel free to also come back here if you have any further questions. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I wanted to publish it as an article because I have been more than 70 years in many aspects of entertainment - the facts are verifiable. Most are on the Members page of The Grand Order of Water Rats gowr.co.uk.  Television credits for many programs both as performer and writer.  My late father, George Martin The Casual Comedian, has a Wikipedia entry.  I was on the Talking Pictures tv program 'The Girls (And Boys) Of The Windmill' a few year ago.  I appear at certain tv conventions for iconic series. SmallButtons (talk) 18:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's still the case that conflict-of-interest editing is heavily discouraged. The general idea is that if someone meets Wikipedia's definition of a notable individual, someone else will be willing to write the article and that this outcome is preferable. That said, heavily discouraged is not quite the same thing as impossible. This guide provides more specific advice about how editors should approach a topic in which they have a conflict of interest. Essentially, you should declare this conflict of interest on your userpage, write neutrally, cite sources that are mostly about you and reliable, and submit that draft to be reviewed by another editor. I have moved the content on your userpage to Draft:Ray Martin, where you can continue to try to meet these requirements. If your draft is eventually converted into an article, you should refrain from editing it directly and make an edit request if you wish to make further changes. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Noting that I have also left advice over at Draft talk:Ray Martin. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help. I am not very tech savvy.  I have looked at Draft: Ray Martin.  I have quoted reference gowr.co.uk-members because that is an official site and there is a fairly full biography of me on there.  Other than that I have playbills, contracts, clippings, photos and so on but I wouldn't imagine I would be required to send them.  So ... from Draft what would I then click to continue submission? SmallButtons (talk) 09:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'll add a button that allows you to submit the draft, but it's incredibly unlikely that it will be accepted as-is. Wikipedians generally are concerned with ensuring that potential article subjects meet our notability standards and the best way to do this is to cite three independent sources that cover you in-depth throughout the draft. These sources don't have to be online. For example, if you physically have newspaper clippings about your career, these would be a good idea to cite as a source. Does that help? Clovermoss 🍀 (talk) 09:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I have added some of the details you suggest. Let's wait and see.  Many thanks again SmallButtons (talk) 09:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2024
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).

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Guideline and policy news
 * Phase II of the 2024 RfA review has commenced to improve and refine the proposals passed in Phase I.

Technical news
 * The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. T43351

Arbitration
 * The arbitration case Venezuelan politics has been closed.
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Question from Subda onha niguahuooajiesiodni (21:47, 5 June 2024)
hello why the heck is your name Clovermoss? --Subda onha niguahuooajiesiodni (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . I don't edit under my full name although some Wikipedians do choose to do so. When I created my account, "clover" and "moss" were the first two words that came to mind. I combined these two words to create my username. As your mentor, I'm here to answer questions you have about editing. Feel free to come back here and ask if you have any. I'd also encourage you to be slightly more polite when engaging with other editors as civility is one of our five pillars. Cheers and happy editing, Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rectech enthusiast (09:27, 6 June 2024)
Hey clover, Thanks for the support! I am exploring wiki rn, If I have any questions Ill let u know. Thanks!! --Rectech enthusiast (talk) 09:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, glad to hear it! You may find the links at the top of the page useful as you're exploring. I'll also leave a generalized welcome on your talk page that has some more. :) Feel free to come back here any time you have specific questions. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 09:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Pineen (14:15, 6 June 2024)
hello How do i create a citation? --Pineen (talk) 14:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . This page sounds like it'd be what you're looking for. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 16:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

 * Thanks, . I prefer to stick to redirects and while they didn't count for this drive, I'm still happy I got to chip in a little. :) Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

An apology
Hi Clovermoss. I am here to apologize for my behavior at your RfA. That was a long time ago, but I've often thought of it since then. I truly hope it hasn't stuck with you the same way it has with me.

With hindsight, my wall of text was unnecessarily long and harsh. It unreasonably exaggerated the situation and improperly questioned your judgement on issues of which I had no knowledge. My response to your apology was curt.

I was writing with some very visceral emotions (against the subject of discussion, not against you personally). I wish I had been nicer. In that moment I forgot how hard RfA can be on the candidate, and I now think my behavior was an example of why that is. You did the right thing in responding to my concerns – that set you apart as someone open to criticism and willing to learn, which is honestly the only requirement for adminship you truly need, and I greatly respect you for it.

In the six months since, from what I can tell, you have done swimmingly as a new administrator. Even at the time, I knew this would be the case, but I was too upset to let reason decide my !vote. I am very happy about your successful nomination of Elli for adminship – may you bring many more such candidates to the attention of the community!

I'm sorry that I was a pain. I don’t hold a grudge against you or think you're a bad person, though my rant might have made it seem that way. That unpleasant experience only made me respect you more. Thank you for putting yourself forward as a candidate for adminship, thank you for passing, thank you for your contributions before and since, and most of all thank you for your patience with me. Yours, Toadspike   [Talk]  16:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks . I appreciate the apology and the confidence but try not to be too hard on yourself? I rarely hold grudges against other people and I can assure you that even beforehand you were not one of them. I once voted neutral on an RfA that I've since come to regret ('s) and I'll never have the chance to tell them that I thought they actually turned out to be a great admin. I think it's normal for people to realize that sometimes they made the wrong call about someone, y'know? All that said, I am happy that I have earned your trust. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 22:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind response. I find it's usually better to be too hard on myself than too hard on others. I have a similar regret to yours – I regret not participating in Vami's RfA. Thankfully you're still here and willing to listen. Toadspike   [Talk]  22:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

JuniperChill's experience at editing and RfA
Hello Clovermoss,

I hope you don't mind me sharing my experience at editing here and because I started editing the day of your RFA. I see you have an editor reflections page but I am not sure I consider myself an experienced editor considering I have just under 1000 edits.

I can't believe I started properly editing on Wikipedia again on the day you started your RfA on December 13, 2023. I created this account in June 2020, but only made some changes to transport related articles at the time. It might be because of the pandemic that happened at that time or I just wanted to add some stuff. (my first 50 edits) I since took stopped editing and I didn't plan to edit for a long while. I took a very long pause from editing (other than one edit to my sandbox for some odd reason) I wasn't comfortable to vote on RFAs at the time but I would have definitely supported it not merely because of the almost unanimous support!. I was known as breathinkeeps32 at the time and then I decided to change my username to my current one in January this year.

I have huge interests in video games (including cozy games and farm life sims) and transport (especially railways) hence most of my edits are to those topics. I have since created Coffee Talk Episode 2: Hibiscus & Butterfly exactly one year after release and even made it on its way to a successful DYK plus major expansions to My Time at Sandrock. I also made some expansions at Midland Main Line upgrade, UKCA marking and a little at My Time at Portia and East Midlands Railway.

My first RfA vote was in Requests for adminship/Elli which you nominated and made this comment which I found funny to myself given that the mop was waiting for her in a cupboard. I really love my first vote and especially considering this is going to be the first successful RfA where the voting period is 5 days rather than 7. I am also going to say you are an excellent Wikipedia user and nominator given that you self-nom for adminship and were the only nominator on Elli's RfA. Hope you enjoy! JuniperChill (talk) 23:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm not very gatekeepey when it comes to who gets to participate at editor reflections. If you consider yourself to be experienced enough then that's good enough for me. People's paths can vary dramatically but it sounds like you've done a lot in your modest amount of edits and I won't hold that against you. Also, thank you for sharing your personal anecdotes with me here. I do find it interesting how such coincidences happen sometimes... It's a Small World afterall. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 23:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. I will have a look at contributing to your editor reflections page in a couple/few months time (~September). Only reason why I discovered it is because of the invitations on experienced editors (which I thought was a requirement at first) as well as on your RFA. I also voted on my second RFA. Plus this gives me a starting point for it. And as a side note, this is my 1000th edit. I am no longer checking my edit count every time now. JuniperChill (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Egevans12345 (18:06, 11 June 2024)
how do title my page --Egevans12345 (talk) 18:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . Is this page what you're looking for? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Uviwé.Maraj on Truth or Dare (Tyla song) (18:28, 11 June 2024)
hello, how do you put samples? --Uviwé.Maraj (talk) 18:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, are you talking about music samples? This page is probably what you're looking for. If what you want is to actually listen to a full song, I would suggest watching it on YouTube, as having it on our website would be a copyright violation. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 19:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Cripcuz60s (13:05, 12 June 2024)
hey i jus signed up um do u have any suggestions for me --Cripcuz60s (talk) 13:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . I left some links on your talk page that you may find helpful. Otherwise I'd suggest exploring and finding where you might want to edit organically. I have some additional resources listed at the top of this page. Let me know if there's anything you find confusing. I'll do my best to help. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from ContentCreatorMD (17:00, 14 June 2024)
How do I create a page --ContentCreatorMD (talk) 17:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * This guide is what you're looking for. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 17:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jackthemall (18:22, 14 June 2024)
How do I make a page about someone? --Jackthemall (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi . This page explains how you would go about that. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Aww
Thank you for believing in me :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

harv/sfn no-target errors in Jehovah's Witnesses
Hi, in Jehovah's Witnesses you have a couple of references, "Chryssides, p. 89" and "Chryssides, p. 116" which are causing harv/sfn no-target errors. There are several works by Chryssides listed in the references (three in the Sources, and more in the actual References). If you could fix these that would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. I just added the missing year to two sources with the page numbers you listed. Did I miss any others? Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 14:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's removed the article from the error category. DuncanHill (talk) 14:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from soapboxing
People who openly declare Christianity on their profile should probably avoid doing things like "bold editing" articles on MAID. Wiki is an encyclopedia, not a political soapbox. 142.160.101.97 (talk) 08:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, may I ask why you think my edits are political soapboxing? I assume you're referring to Talk:Euthanasia in Canada since you've recently made a bunch of edits to that page. I ask that you generally focus on content and not the contributor – it's particularly important when interacting with others who may have alternate perspectives than your own. I'm open to the idea that the article could be better but you don't have to insult people to bring up concerns. For a start, maybe you could explain what exactly your concerns are with my actual editing or more broadly, about the article in general (there's a substantial part of the article content that I had absolutely nothing to do with). To be clear, what I had in mind of a possible split article was something like "Legal history of euthanasia in Canada". I trimmed a lot of the tangentially related content because otherwise a tag regarding article size would've been appropriate.
 * By the way, I haven't believed in God since I was 13. I don't think this magically makes me unbiased in the subject matter. It's a bit difficult to be completely indifferent when such legislation impacts me on a personal level, which is why I'm trying to be a bit more considerate to said concerns even though I think my recent edits are reasonable. I don't see why you'd assume someone's religious beliefs makes them inherently unsuitable for editing any given topic area. There's 2.2 billion Christians and it's inappropriate to suggest that everyone in that group is somehow incapable of editing neutrally. Also, bold editing is generally encouraged. If people have problems with said edits, discussion about them often takes place. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

A belated apology
Hello Clovermoss, an RfA discussion about whether a certain oppose is valid has prompted me to remember the time I was on the opposite end of a similar dispute at your RfA a few months ago. This might seem a bit out of the blue, but on reflection I believe I was not only wrong on the issue at hand but I expressed myself in a way that was too harsh towards you. Sorry. I'm not sure how you felt about it exactly, but I remember you wrote a fairly long response to me and another editor who'd expressed a similar concern, so you must have been taking it at least somewhat seriously. – Teratix ₵ 10:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted. Surprisingly enough you're not the only one to come here lately to express the same idea. I'll offer the same advice I did then: it's not uncommon to change your mind about something and don't be too hard on yourself. I will admit that your opinion stung a little at the time, probably because I'd seen you across the project and otherwise had a good impression. That sort of thing makes rejection a wee bit harder. If you're curious about what I felt like in regards to RfA, I recently wrote a huge essay about it. Feel free to share your thoughts on that. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Moosleute
You are right, I was interested in the Moss People. For two reasons. One. Plants. Two. Ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch. Hitting several of my interests at once. 🌿 Mt B o t a n y (talk) 15:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was reading a fantasy novel where a character made an offhand reference to a moss maiden and I was like... wait a second, really? I need to look that up right now! I was so excited when I came across the article for moss people and I'm glad you like it too. :) The more obscure parts of the project are always fascinating to find. While you're here, any chance you'd be willing to be share your love of plant editing? I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from I want a dad (05:12, 19 June 2024)
Where can I start to make an article? --I want a dad (talk) 05:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, what you're looking for is this page. While you're here, I think it's a good idea to consider that you might want to change your username to something that makes it easier to collaborate with other people. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 15:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Avneesh Srivastav (06:33, 20 June 2024)
How do I create Page? --Avneesh Srivastav (talk) 06:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You'll want to read this guide. Keep in mind that creating articles can be a bit of a difficult process and it may be best to work your way up to it. I have some additional resources here you might find useful. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Tincee Hema (12:57, 20 June 2024)
helloo i added one article in wikipedia but that is in my user page...i need to make it public....how can i do that...? please help me to make the articles public... --Tincee Hema (talk) 12:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I moved your draft to Draft:Ullas Chemban. I also made some slight formatting changes and a button that will let you submit your draft when you think it's ready to be reviewed by another editor. You have the overall structure done quite well, but it's important to cite reliable sources supporting these statements, as verifiability is a crucial aspect of Wikipedia. Another factor to consider is that we have specific guidelines on notability within a Wikipedia specific context. If a reviewer isn't certain that your draft meets those requirements, it's incredibly unlikely to be accepted. If you're unsure of how to cite your sources, try this guide. Feel free to come back here if you have any further questions. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 17:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Pings
Looks like my unconventional method of fixing pings doesn't work. It's possible to read this page and come to the conclusion that an alternative solution is to properly link a user and signature in a new edit. It looks like a new line is actually required. Anyways,, I meant to ping you earlier. Clovermoss 🍀 (talk) 11:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Clovermoss: Interestingly, the ping worked when editing your comment in user talk space but not in your regular user space. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So does work even though everything suggests it doesn't. Courtesy ping to  who understands tech stuff better than I do. I'm also cool with this whole side conversation being moved to my talk page because it's somewhat tangential to the issue at hand.  Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC) Note: I have done so now.  Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I did some reading of the underlying PHP code, (and some percussive testing) it seems like a ping should show up if the following are true
 * The diffing algorithm thinks you added a new block (for example, when you view Clovermoss's edit in diff mode, the diffing algorithm puts it in a new block since Colvermoss also deleted a new line just above their comment, whereas this edit is considered to be a modification of text and not a new line addition)
 * Needs to have a valid wikilink to a username in the same new block
 * Must contain a raw signature while saving (i.e. )
 * Sohom ( talk ) 14:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for figuring out the difference. I assumed it had something to do with trying it out in user/user talk page but the removal of a line makes sense (I didn't even realize I did that at the time). Do you think anything should be added to Template:Ping fix to make this clearer? Or that because Help:Fixing failed pings says to add a new line that this is unnessecary? To be quite frank, I never realized my unconventional method here didn't work. I vaguely recall someone telling me to do it years ago (or I misunderstood what they were saying and somehow came to the conclusion). No one's pointed out that this doesn't work until now. That goes to show you can always learn something new. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the current docs are mostly fine, mostly cause they do mention adding a new line to the new message. Wrt to not knowing if a mention occurs,there is a option to enable getting a notification when a mention fails to go through in your preferences (Special > Preferences > Notifications > Failed mentions). Might be useful to document that in the docs. Sohom ( talk ) 01:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, missed the ping originally. I haven't tested as thoroughly as Sohom, but I have noticed pings tend to not work if I am modifying or deleting a paragraph rather than adding a paragraph. For any edit where I want pings to work, I try to make sure that I am only adding paragraphs. And of course they must be freshly signed and contain a link to a user page (or user talk page?). Hope that helps. – Novem Linguae (talk) 16:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Nifemi125 on User:Nifemi125 (05:23, 24 June 2024)
Hello please how do I create a page --Nifemi125 (talk) 05:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, read this page. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Assist on this please
Greetings sir, I’ve created this some weeks ago, and i been it’s a notable article as some editors has checked and patrolled on it, it meets Wikipedias GNS, please help review Kingdom Achievers Award, thanks. Madeforall1 (talk) 00:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm not a "sir". Anyways, I'd suggest just being patient when it comes to a review of your article. There's a backlog of more than 11,000 articles so it might take awhile. I figured it might help to know it's not just you who is waiting. Feel free to come back if you have any further questions. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 08:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Dear talk page watchers
If anyone wants to help expand Rock 'n Play beyond mere stub status, it'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :) Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 03:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Tried expanding, any feedback is highly appreciated :) Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I do have some feedback. Try not to take it too harshly, I was pleasantly surprised to see a newbie editing an article I just started. Thank you for the additional sentence and source about what the sleeper was actually designed to do. No one owns article content but people can still find it difficult to be bold regardless. While I appreciate your desire to divide the content into sections, articles do need to have a lead. This lead should summarize what's been written about a topic so omitting any information about the recalls and infant deaths until later in the article isn't the best idea. It's a core aspect of the product's history. I also don't think an entire section needs to exist for the one sentence that's there so far about the Safe Sleep Act. If you don't already, I'd encourage you to have the article on your watchlist. I'm likely to edit the page again later today and it can be insightful to watch other editors in action. I did it all the time when I was a newbie. :) Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 11:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Understood, Thank you for the feedback! Will keep this under my watch for sure. I read the article again, Surely looks better now :D Rectech enthusiast (talk) 11:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Rectech enthusiast (07:02, 26 June 2024)
Hi there! I was wondering if I can start writing articles? I read the guidelines but are there any best practices to find topics to write on which already don't exist on wiki? --Rectech enthusiast (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Requested articles and WikiProject Women in Red are places where you can find requests for articles to be written. Just make sure there's enough sources to meet Wikipedia's notability standards before you do. I typically suggest new editors learn the ropes by expanding articles first. Category:All stub articles can be sorted by topic and can help you find some inspiration. Feel free to come back if you have any other questions. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 11:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hmmm..Yes. In think I should start with expanding for now, I used to work on wiki but it has been looong. I will restart with the expansion ones first for now Rectech enthusiast (talk) 11:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 July newsletter
The third round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 June. As with Round 2, this round was competitive: each of the 16 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 256 points.

The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:


 * with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
 * with 673 points, mostly from 2 featured articles on Worlds (Porter Robinson album) and I'm God, 5 good articles, and 2 did you know nominations;
 * with 557 points, mostly from 1 featured article on KNXV-TV, 5 good articles, and 8 did you know nominations; and
 * with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 June but before the start of Round 4 can be claimed during Round 4, which starts on 1 July at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please see this page. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:29, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red July 2024
--Lajmmoore (talk 14:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Problematic IP
Hi, could you please block User:184.146.127.118 as disruptive editing/NOTHERE? Their edits consist pretty much exclusively of vandalism, insults, and more recently, sexual comments towards other users. Thanks! GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.&#124;My Contribs.) 02:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Done. I also revdelled some stuff. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 03:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much :). GrayStorm(Complaints Dept.&#124;My Contribs.) 03:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Chaput v Romain
Hello, Clovermoss. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Chaput v Romain, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again&#32;or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 03:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Your question
This discussion may also be related to your question about when and how its appropriate to ask about religious affiliation No original research/Noticeboard. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 01:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you think it's relevant, feel free to tell ArbCom about it. I'm not familiar with that discussion in particular but I'll read it. You might find one of the discussions linked by another editor at the clarification page interesting because I actually started it. Feel free to tell me what you think. I'm generally willing to hear people out even if I don't always agree with them.  Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 02:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems as relevent as the conversation I was involved in, my general opinion is that a lot of people who would be negatively impacted by a strict interpretation of COI in regards to religion are arguing for a permissive interpretation of COI in regards to religion. That brings up a whole additional layer of COI which I'm not sure we're ready to talk about. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 02:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I will say that I've participated in a surprising amount of conversations about this topic and the general vibe I've recieved is that these questions are generally inappropriate but people also aren't okay with the very strict interpretation of it's never okay to ask. There's a reason I linked Church of Scientology editing on Wikipedia. Anyways, I hope the clarification request helps with this sort of situation in the future. If it doesn't, the community will have to have some broad discussion about it eventually because it keeps coming up in different venues and in a variety of contexts. Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 02:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the request for clarification as well as I know how. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 03:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Tarnika Hazra on Philip Wollen (10:42, 5 July 2024)
I want to start with Bengali Language, please. --Tarnika Hazra (talk) 10:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, it's unclear what you're asking me here. If you're looking for the article we have on the Bengali language, click that link. If you're looking for that language edition of Wikipedia, that would be here . Clovermoss 🍀  (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. 2601:648:8101:92C0:A0FE:1F64:9A0B:97BE (talk) 17:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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