User talk:Clsgroup2

Divorce law in Sweden
Maybe you haven't noticed but the article is the result of a copy and paste move, see. Divorce law in sweden (lower case s) still exists. Please move the changes you have made to Divorce law in sweden and then request administrator assistance to move the article to the name with a capital S.Sjö (talk) 15:16, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not replace pages with blank content, as you did with this edit to Divorce law in sweden, as this is confusing to readers. The page's content has been restored for now. If there is a problem with the page, it should be edited or reverted to a previous version if possible; if you think the page should be removed entirely, see further information. Thank you. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I have deleted Cl2gp2 and Divorce Law in Sweden as duplicates of an existing article, Divorce law in sweden. Please don't continue creating pages that are duplicates of existing ones. If you'd like to work on your own version of the Divorce in Sweden article without being interrupted, you can create a page in your userspage and use it for drafting. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Fluffernutter, I don't think you checked the histories of the pages and your message seems to have missed the point: Clsgroup2 is the main author of the article in all its current (and apparently one deleted) incarnations and blanked Divorce law in sweden because he didn't know how to make it into a redirect, as he should have done. A history merge may be appropriate here. In the meanwhile I have redirected Divorce law in sweden to Divorce law in Sweden. --Hegvald (talk) 18:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I've just double-checked the histories. Your interpretation makes sense and the histories are indeed a giant mess. Divorce law in Sweden was created yesterday by Clsgroup2. Divorce law in sweden appears to have been created as a redirect by another user at 00:26 today, then expanded to about 17k by an IP at 00:34 (these times may be local to me, I forget what my settings are), and then expanded about 2k more by a large swath of edits by Clsgroup2 ending at 12:31. At 12:57, they created Clsgroup2, a duplicate article, At 13:00, they blanked Divorce law in sweden (at which point they came to my attention on Huggle), and at 13:15 they created Divorce Law in Sweden, another duplicate article. Both pages were created with one edit, containing content identical to the 12:31 content of Divorce law in sweden. Clsgroup2's original blanking of Divorce law in sweden was not actionable at a glance under G7 because in fact they were neither the creator nor the main writer of that article, according to its history; that was an IP, and I managed to (brilliantly...) not notice that Divorce law in Sweden already existed as distinct from Divorce Law in Sweden until you just pointed it out.


 * So where we stand now: Clsgroup2 had to go in any case, because it's not a plausible redirect. Divorce Law in Sweden was, as you note, better handled as a redirect than a deletion, and that was my mistake. The history of Divorce law in sweden does need to be merged into Divorce law in Sweden, and I'll either do that or get a more experienced admin to do it at some point today, but Cl2gp2 and Divorce Law in Sweden were pure copy-and-pastes and have no useful histories to merge that I can tell. The fact remains despite the borked histories that it was necessary to ask Cl2gp2 to pause in his creations, because they were excessively duplicating already-existing content.


 * The fact also remains that judging by the userpage, it appears that Clsgroup2 may be a role account. Clsgroup2, please read this part: You may not share an account among more than one person. If you'd like to carry on editing Wikipedia, this account must be used by and controlled by ONE PERSON. Please respond here on this page telling me that you understand that and that only one person is using and will use this account, or it will be necessary to remove your editing access until you can assure us of that. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 19:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a minor note: I assumed that the IP 202.161.33.22 was Clsgroup2 having forgotten to log in. (According to WHOIS the IP belongs to Singapore Management University.) --Hegvald (talk) 19:41, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Histmerge is now done; all should be well. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 19:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

HI! Im so super sorry for creating all these confusion! its my first time contributing to wikipedia so im not exactly sure how the administrative side of things go! This is what happened: 1. "Divorce Law in sweden" was created by my account.

2. An administrator started to edit our page! apparently he has already moved our page to "Divorce law in Sweden",which he created for us. Please see below: 04:26, 27 August 2011 Amandajm (talk | contribs) (35 bytes) (moved Divorce law in sweden to Divorce law in Sweden: lower case letter in name of country) (undo)

3. I didnt know about this move or that he was an administrator! so i continued to work on the old page.

4. Amandajm also advised us on some formatting issues, and did some formatting changes to our content on the new page. when i found out, i wanted to move my edits on my original page to the new "Divorce in Sweden" page to take advantage of the changes made for me.

5. cls2group page was created as a back up, so i could compare between the two pages and combine the edits. This explained why i copied and pasted the exact same info. I intended to delete it right after i was done, only did i realise i can not just close off a page so easily and it requires approval from an administrator! (im sorry!!)

6. I was also trying to find a way to "lock" the page till i finish editing so there would not be any interruption. As Fluffernutter suggested, i am currently working on the content in my own userpage first.

7. I also blanked the "divorce law in sweden" page earlier on (while trying to figure a way to delete the page) cos i thought it wouldn't be necessary anymore if i could put my work in "Divorce law in Sweden" when i was done. hahah

8. In other words, every other page i created earlier on is not useful anymore, i just need the "Divorce Law in Sweden" page! (im sorry again!!) I hope this explains why there were so many useless copying and pasting of the same content!

Also, you are right! I was sharing an account with a friend so we can edit the pages. Now that i'm aware that i am not allowed to do so, she has already created an account of her own! Sorry!!

However i still have a few questions to ask: 1. The content we are working on currently will be vetted and graded by our mentor early next week. This means that we cannot allow our content to be edited by the public yet! is there a way to lock the page for a limited period of time?

2. Now that my group mates and I have different accounts, are they able to access this accounts userpage where the editing is Clsgroup2/Divorce in Sweden through their accounts? Or is there any other way we can go about this?

Thank you so much for your help!! Once again, I'm so sorry for the confusion caused!


 * No need to apologize, we know that getting started with Wikipedia can be really confusing! It looks like we've finally all figured out what we're doing ;) I fixed up the scrambled pages, so now there's just Divorce law in Sweden left in main (article) space, and User:Clsgroup2/Divorce in Sweden in your userspace for you to work on at your leisure.


 * Cldgroup2, thank you so much for fixing your account situation. Your group mates can edit articles in your userspace with no problem; you just need to tell them where the page is and they'll be able to make any changes they want. We don't really have a good way to lock the page(s) the way that you want, so that no one else can change them before they're graded, but the software that Wikipedia runs on keeps a history of all edits made to pages, so when your mentor comes to grade the article, you can direct them to the history link where it shows the work you did. Alternatively, you can just work only on the version that's currently in your userspace - it's not locked from anyone else editing it, but the likelihood of anyone but your group showing up to edit it before you're done with it is much, much smaller. The version that's in mainspace will still be live, since it's a useful article, but for the purposes of grading you can just show your mentor your userspace version.


 * I'm going to keep an eye on this page, so if you have any problems or questions, or if what I said doesn't make sense, feel free to ask here or on my talk page and I'll do my best to help you out. Happy editing! A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 21:41, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Like the other editors said above, you can't lock the article but you can put a tag in it (for a short time) that says that you're revising the article. To do that you add e.g., or   to the top of the article. At Category:Under-construction templates you will find links to the templates and their texts.Sjö (talk) 08:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Ibid and supra
The article history of Divorce law in Sweden is hard to follow, but since you are the main author I think that you used ibid and supra in the references. Those words work fine in an article on paper, or where you are the only author. In a collaborative online project, like Wikipedia, they don't work so well. The reason is that any day a new author might move paragraphs around or insert a new reference between yours, making it unclear which source the ibid or supra refers to. I really think that you õught to replace ibid and supra with reference names.Sjö (talk) 06:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)