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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Invasion.jpeg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PatrickSookhdeo.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:JihadInAmerica.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:JihadInTheWest.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:JihadTheTrailOfPoliticalIslam.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:OriginsOfTheKoran.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:MeccanTradeAndTheRiseOfIslam.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Muslimseparatism.jpg
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Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Why are the categories in a "nowiki" section? AnonMoos (talk) 14:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not sure what you mean, but if you mean in my workspace , they are not live categories.--CltFn (talk) 05:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I mean Sudden Jihad Syndrome in main article space, now re-deleted... AnonMoos (talk) 06:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces
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AfD nomination of Prophet of Doom
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:WhyILeftJihad.jpg
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Three Deleted Articles
Are you going to work on them? The concern on all of the PROD tags was that they were all orphaned articles that did not cite reliable third-party sources.  jj137  ♠ 20:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Future Jihad: Terrorist Strategies Against America
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:AmericanJihad.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:FutureJihad.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:DeclineOfEasternChristianityUnderIslam.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:DefeatingJihad.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Civilizationanditsenemies.jpg
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Disputed fair use rationale for Image:CrossroadsToIslam.jpg
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Bat Yeor
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 * Please desist with your insinuations.
 * My edits regarding Yeor's departure from Egypt have to do with a prior discussion as to the most neutral way in which to present the material.
 * The last thing this article needs is to have Yeor's scholarly credentials "proven" by assorted neo-conservative sources. She's an historian; that should suffice.  CJCurrie 06:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) This prior discussion you cite had nothing to do with Bat Ye'or's scholarship.
 * 2) Your use of the phrase "assorted neo-conservative sources" raises further questions about a pre-existing agenda editing the article. Its not an insinuation, its you own words.
 * 3) The citations provided meet Wikipedia standards as for Verifiability, No original research, Citing sources, thus irregardless of your opinion, her scholarship is a supported by published , verifiable and reliable sources. --CltFn 12:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding reversions made on December 21 2006 to Bat Ye'or
Regarding reversions made on December 21 2006 to Bat Ye'or You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 48 hours.

Please mark your reverts as such in future - use "rv" in the edit summaries. If you are in doubt as to what is a revert, pease read WP:REVERT.

William M. Connolley 20:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've extended this block to indefinite per Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. Dmcdevit·t 10:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Why are you doing this DmCdevitt??, I discussed by edits on the talk page of the article in question here.
 * I requested page protection of the article here
 * I offered compromises to my edits and added references as requested. Did you actually look at my edits carefully to establish what actually was going on on the page before making such a drastic decision as to block me indef? Look at the Bat Ye'or edit history page
 * Have you checked the value of my contributions to wikipedia against the alleged disputes I have been involved with?

--CltFn 17:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Conditional unblock?
I'm considering unblocking you, but it would be conditional on something like 1/7R, strict civility and extensive use of talk pages for controversial edits.

But I can't quite see why you would prefer that to simply getting a new account; if you stuck to the above, you'd be in no trouble.

Reply here.

William M. Connolley 19:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks William Connolley. I accept the terms you propose; ie 1/7R, strict civility and extensive use of talk pages for controversial edits. As far as a new account, I did not know there was such an option but in any case I would prefer to continue editing as CltFn even if it is somewhat a more challenging road for now.--CltFn 00:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * OK William M. Connolley 13:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh - also: this section needs to stay on your talk page; and (I presume this must be obvious) this is your last chance William M. Connolley 13:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * OK agreed.--CltFn 13:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Reminder: this needs to stay here; the conditions remain.

In particular, you appear to have broken the 1/7 RR constraint, and failed to mark reverts as such.

William M. Connolley (talk) 21:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Blocked
I've blocked you for 24h for violation of your unblock parole. Based on talk, I don't think youve been strictly civil. You've clearly broken 1/7 RR William M. Connolley (talk) 22:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

John Esposito and Bat Ye'or
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. The next time you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced defamatory content into an article, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. &lt;eleland/talkedits&gt; 15:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocked again
I've blocked you for violation of your parole. You are required to use the talk page to discuss controversial matters; all reverts are controversial. All reverts must be marked as such William M. Connolley (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocked again, 48h
You're blocked for clear violation of your parole; William M. Connolley (talk) 21:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked: Long-term Abuse
You have been indefinitely blocked from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy. To contest this block, please email me or place on your page, including an explanation why you feel you should be unblocked.

|decline=Decline for now, pending results of ANI discussion below. Looking at the block history for this IP, there has been a long history of abuse; blocks have been done by a wide range of admins over a long period of time. I see no good faith here. — Jayron32. talk . contribs 04:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)}}
 * For anyone else looking at this, I'm opening a thread on ANI. This user is a long time contributor and purely on that basis, I think this needs to be more than just a unilateral decision.  I'm doing this completely without prejudice - in other words, I'm not saying that there is anything right or wrong with the block - I just think based on the history that it needs to be reviewed by more than a few pairs of eyes. --B (talk) 03:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you been through any WP:DR?
I noticed this, and wondered if you've simply been blocked by admins or if something else happened. While I'm not exactly a supporter of everything you wanted to add to Obama's article, you were at least discussing the tag you added, which shows good faith to me. Anynobody 06:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No I have not been through any WP:DR I was having a nice civil discussion on the Barack Obama talk page, albeit on a rather explosive topic judging by the general response of some editors I was debating this with and out of the blue I get indef blocked by Jersey Devil after he appears to have been steered in that direction by one of the editors I was having the discussion with.  --CltFn (talk) 08:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Something weird happened to my previous talk page post, you may want to go through yours and see if the anon did any speaking for you. Anynobody 22:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The noose is already around your neck, please note this!
Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Controversial_block_needs_review The noose of an indefinite block is already around your neck. While RFA's often have the question "what is the difference between a block and a ban", if you are indefinitely blocked, it's not much different from a ban from the blocked user's perspective.

There has been some opposition to your indefinite block. B is neutral. Yahel Guhan and ThuranX are opposed. In the interest of compromise between these editors and the editors calling for your permanent block, I will unblock you on a trial 7 day basis. Your edits during the next 7 days may be reviewed. If they are not productive, I will not intervene any further and an administrator will likely block you indefinitely (forever). Guidelines for productive edits include trying to use neutrally worded phrases, use reliable sources for all edits (especially since you will be under scrutiny). Archtransit (talk) 20:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I have read through the ANI you pointed to and noted the concerns voiced by the various admins I appreciate the magnanimity of this offer and will adhere those guidelines .--CltFn (talk) 20:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The best thing you can do is to be patient. Don't create a sock.  This will harm your case.  Your case has not yet been settled.  Be warned, however.  I am more interested in the process of how and why we ban editors than your edits. Archtransit (talk) 23:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the efforts to resolve this situation. I will keep your suggestions in mind and keep abreast of the ANI discussion. --CltFn (talk) 10:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Your block has been reinstated. The discussion on AN/I continues, despite the fact that you have clearly exhausted the patience of many administrators I apologize (and I'm sure others would agree) for the confusion surrounding your block/unblock/reblock and any future actions. Avruch talk 01:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * OK understood.--CltFn (talk) 10:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * More effort is being spent about you. This is rare in WP.  It's easy to forget about you and leave you bleeding like a injured animal in the road.  I don't support you but I support your ability to defend yourself or express your opinion.  Please be patient a little longer.  Do not create any socks in the interim.  This will only hurt your case. Archtransit (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks once again for your help on this. --CltFn (talk) 04:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)