User talk:Cluain

County Londonderry
Please refrain from changing references to County Londonderry to read County Derry. The only official name for the county is County Londonderry and there has never been a County Derry in the history of Ireland. Additionally community consensus and agreement is that the name of the county is indeed County Londonderry, see WP:IMOS for more details. Continued changing of County Londonderry to County Derry is considered vandalism and may result in your account being blocked from editing. Canterbury Tail  talk  15:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * This is your final warning. If you continue to change references to County Londonderry to read Derry you will be blocked from editing. Canterbury Tail   talk  01:44, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Derry is overwhelmingly used on the island of Ireland. As enumerated in Wikipedia, it was renamed by the British whom aggressively pursued the colonization of the Island. The Irish constitution (up until the Good Friday Agreement) lay claim to the six counties of the north including "Derry." All road signs in the republic of Ireland reference Derry and even Google maps have adapted the duel naming of the City, which I believe, is more inclusive to both communities on the island. The Merriam Webster dictionary says that an Encyclopedia, which Wikipedia is, is a work that contains information on ALL branches of knowledge or treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge usually in articles etc. I believe my initial edit was treating this article comprehensively and inclusively by referencing Derry-Londonderry. You are extremely possessive, and this goes against the ethos of Wikipedia .

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Canterbury Tail  talk  13:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


 * It makes no difference what the Republic or Google calls it, it doesn't make it official in any way. Only the country that the city or county is actually in can. Regardless of that their is a Wikipedia community consensus for this issue: Derry for the city, Londonderry for the county.


 * Having said that Canterbury Tail, this editor despite being blocked, upon their unblocking went and made the change again regardless. Mabuska (talk) 23:30, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Note County Londonderry was previously called County Coleraine prior to it's renaming, there has never been a County Derry in the history of Ireland. As for what the Republic of Ireland calls it, that is irrelevant as it is part of the United Kingdom. The RoI could call it County Bob and it would be irrelevant, in the same was as if the UK called Dublin, Little Birmingham or something. The way someone in another country refers to something is irrelevant, all that matters is the official namings in the country in which it is located. Additionally the consensus of the editors on Wikipedia is also to call it County Londonderry, as per WP:IMOS which you have been referred to on several occasions, not slash county or using two variations of name. If you continue to change references of County Londonderry to read County Derry or Derry you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail   talk  02:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

You have been blocked again for a period of 1 week.

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Your block has been extended by an additional week for block evasion due to you creating a new account with the purposes of bypassing this block and continuing your vandalism. Canterbury Tail talk 18:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

You level a charge of vandalism against me as if I were willfully and maliciously destroying or defacing public or private property. Wikipedia is not your “SOLE” property. It is an amalgam of fact, both present and past, which can be edited by whom ever. You treat the article “Red Hand of Ulster” as if it were a piece of historical fact, it’s not! Your impartiality as an administrator is compromised by your prejudice and rush to judgment. This is evident by your actions in blocking me for an additional week without presenting any evidence nor considering the possibility that others could be standing on the side lines observing your actions. Perhaps you should step back and consider whether or not you are too close to this article. Whom in Wikipedia decided "by convention" to ONLY call “Derry” Londonderry? Is Wikipedia a good ole boys club? I dare say that 5/6th of the island of Ireland would disagree with this so called "convention" to only refer to Derry as Londonderry. How dare you censor me from editing this article, and accusing me of vandalism!


 * The amount of flaws in your argument is astounding as is yor clear misunderstanding on how Wikipedia works. Your arguments and accusations against Canterbury Tail also hold no weight whatsoever and would be disregarded in an instant by other admins as simple vindictiveness of not being able to get your own way.
 * In regards to 5/6th of the island of Ireland - they live in a different state than that which the city and county lie in. Their view is as relevant as that of Zimbabweans. Mabuska (talk) 15:02, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you wish to change the community consensus then by all means post a request at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Ireland-related articles. Though you will fail. Mabuska (talk) 15:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it is doing us any good dwelling on what has just happened here. I accept that I have come to the table too late to have any influence, but I would recommend that articles, when written, should try to be more inclusive; especially, when it comes to things as sensitive as the afore mentioned. It is my desire to put this behind me and move on, and as such I extend my hand to you Canterbury Tail to wish you a belated Happy New Year. This is a sincere effort to start afresh.


 * Wikipedia isn't here to be inclusive, anyway inclusiveness would in this case be everyone calling the county what it is officially called and not something else that people call it as they have decided they didn't like the politics behind it. That's the actual truth of the matter, the county has only ever been called County Londonderry and County Coleraine before that, never County Derry. There has been many many many pages of talk written on this subject on Wikipedia over the years and it's always come down to the county should be called Londonderry as that's the only name it's ever has. The city is a bit more contentious between Londonderry and Derry, but the consensus has formed to call it Derry, see WP:IMOS. As has been mentioned by Mabuska above the views of those outside the country are irrelevant in an encyclopaedia.
 * In the interests of good faith however, and based on your comments above, I'm lifting your block so you can continue to edit the encyclopaedia if you so desire. Canterbury Tail   talk  12:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks Canterbury Tail!!! While I am a long term user of Wikipedia when looking up stuff I should have read your initial link when you first advised me. It would have saved me, (and you I imagine) a lot of headache. If in the future if I ever feel the need to edit any article (based on my history I probably won't), or see something which doesn't quite read well, then I hope I can contact you just to make sure. I appreciate you lifting the block, and I want you to know that I never meant any offence. Kind regards Cluain


 * If you never meant any offence then why did you use alternative accounts with names purporting support for a republican paramilitary group, i.e. Provo1972 and Provo1974? It makes it hard for others to assume good faith, but if you are sincere about a fresh start then that is good. Mabuska (talk) 15:44, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Lets not go there, lets just let bygones be bygones and start anew. Yes Cluain, you can contact me if you wish to at any point in the future. I have the (mis)fortune of being the Admin who is most often involved in the middle of Northern Ireland related issues and have people contacting me from all sides of disagreements. Canterbury Tail   talk  17:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Blocked again
You have been blocked again for a period of 1 week. You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.


 * Your block has been extended by an additional week for block evasion due to you creating a new account with the purposes of bypassing this block and continuing your vandalism. Canterbury Tail   talk  18:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)