User talk:ClueBot Commons/Archives/2016/May

Suggest change to User:ClueBot_NG#Information About False Positives
I suggest replacing “False positives with ClueBot-NG are (essentially) inevitable” with “False positives with ClueBot-NG are inevitable”. Otherwise, it seems to say that the existence of ClueBot-NG is dependent on false positives, part of its essence. Willondon (talk) 21:57, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Wrong archive location for Talk:Endianness
The talk page for Endianness had a template that incorrectly listed the archive prefix as Talk:Physical Address Extension/Archives/ rather than Talk:Endianness/Archives.

ClueBot III appears to have correctly archived the talk page under Talk:Endianness/Archives, but the links from the page for the archive point to pages under Talk:Physical Address Extension/Archives/, even after I fixed the template to give the correct prefix. I don't know what needs to be fixed to make that work correctly, but could you please fix that? Guy Harris (talk) 17:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * For example, does some index need to be changed or rebuilt? Guy Harris (talk) 18:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Up and down
In the past few days ClueBot III has been showing signs of life. At one point (around 4/24) the bot went on a sudden surge, but then was taken down early May. So far, what's the analysis on the bot's operation? Is it ever coming back gracefully? 49.148.66.44 (talk) 09:31, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

The bot has no personal bias - not even against vandals!
I really like the bold sentence regarding personal bias.

If someone feels rejected when his first edit was a false positive for vandalism, it is exactly what he needs to have as mindset to get over it:

"The bot is not biased against you, your edit, or your viewpoint"

It's saying "It's not about you", so he has no reason to feel personally hurt. Now, there is an additional part attached to the sentence, which relativizes the previous sentence: unless your edit is vandalism.

It says explicitly that the "system" sometimes is biased personally. Actually, it says that the system is currently biased against his person, because it assumes vandalism. But we're hate vandalism, not vandals!

The full sentence is:

"The bot is not biased against you, your edit, or your viewpoint" (unless your edit is vandalism).

burried in the second paragraph of the 13th section, "Information About False Positives".

So,
 * I think the second part should be removed;
 * And the first part is so good explaining it, and so important, that it should be moved to the top of the page, above the index.

--Volker Siegel (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Inappropriate archival
I was going to make a comment on the Jack Ryan (character) talk page, and noticed there were no entries at all. The most recent archive was 2016/January and the most recent section comment was 27 January 2016 (less than 5 months ago as of today), there was only one section and it related to a possibly unresolved issue.

Looks like somebody has this bot wound up too tight. Probably no reason to try getting any response on the talk page if it will get archived before the issue is resolved. Kid Bugs (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * As the history of Talk:Jack Ryan (character) shows, the comment that was archived on April 28, 2016 was posted on January 20, 2016 and there have been no further comments in this section since January 27, 2016. This made the discussion eligible for archiving based on the page's Cluebot III configuration age=2160 (archive after 90 days) on April 27, and the archiving bot is working properly.  General Ization   Talk   21:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a scripted call-center response. The bot may be working properly according to it's configuration, but it certainly is not working in such a way as to improve the article or wikipedia.  That said, I certainly have no interest in going any further with this.  Thanks for your response. Kid Bugs (talk) 06:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Some scripted call-center responses are correct. The problem isn't with the bot, the problem is with the configuration of the page; complaining that the bot is doing what it was told to do isn't going to help, changing the configuration of the bot on the talk page in question would help, although it wouldn't retroactively help. Guy Harris (talk) 07:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

ClueBot down...?
Just noticed that ClueBot hasn't been running for a couple days now... anyone know what's going on? 172.58.40.40 (talk) 23:40, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Yep, it's been noticed. Pinging Rich Smith DamianZaremba Cobi. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 02:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm aware but at work at the moment, I'll look at it when I get home unless Damian beats me too it -  Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 11:44, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thar we go :D -  Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 17:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Not all edits marked as being from a bot
Not sure why this is? Having good marking is important for other bots we have. Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 19:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I would assume it's related to this FAQ? ~ Matthewrbowker  Drop me a note 20:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. We will build something to adjust for this. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 20:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Because even bots need kittens.

ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 12:08, 26 May 2016 (UTC) 

ClueBot down again?
Just FYI, ClueBot seems to be down again... 71.237.141.40 (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging Rich Smith as per previous thread (which is apparently now archived...). 71.237.141.40 (talk) 01:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It may have something to do with Village_pump_(technical) and T136375. Messing with the rollback feature has caused mayhem amongst anti-vandalism bots and scripts. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 14:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect edits by CB3
Please see this diff, where CB3 "archived" multiple headings. These should not be removed, obviously. This might be related to the recent addition of some extra "onlyinclude" tag'd text to allow a partial transclusion at WP:AN. I've had to add headings back multiple times, so please fix when possible or advise on what we need to change at ANRFC to get the archive working right again. ~ RobTalk 20:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Your bot may need to be restarted
The breaking change for rollback appears to be clear now, please check ClueBot NG. — xaosflux  Talk 21:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted, restarting now -  Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 21:58, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * - Haven't seen any edits yet - is there a "warm up" period? — xaosflux  Talk 22:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * - Looks like there is something else wrong here... looks like something on Labs has thrown a hissy fit... -  Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 23:34, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OK Thanks, there was one other rollback bug (an extra "1" appeared in the completion page) that just got fixed - but shouldn't be the cause. —  xaosflux  Talk 23:41, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Bot still down. The "rollback" rollback was partial. AJAX rollback doesn't seem to be working on user javascript tools that implement it. I'm wondering if ClueBot uses some other rollback routine which may not be supported after (what I think is) an API update? At worst, the bot's rollback routine needs an update. — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 03:44, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's anything to do with the rollback stuff... this is what ClueBot is throwing out - "PHP Warning: mysqli_ping: MySQL server has gone away in /data/project/cluebot/cluebotng/bot/mysql_functions.php on line 24"... so it look like the MySQL instance CBNG is trying to connect to is broken -  Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 10:24, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Anything to do with mysqlnd and <tt>mysqli_ping</tt> not playing well together since ?  09:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, that explains alot... okay... - <tt> Rich </tt>T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 10:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)