User talk:ClueBot Commons/Archives/2024/April

Get more aggressive on AI-like tone
Some retraining might be required for cluebot to spot and act on AI-like, conversational tone. Talk:Axolotl on Special:Diff/1191313384 is a great example of a human spotting some of these things.

AI or not, the edit was not good. The verbosity of the edit summary and the editor's overall pattern sure suggests a chatbot.

PS: I did one word change other than just revert in my edit, so 1191313384 is not tagged as "reverted" now. Sorry for spoiling the training set.... Artoria2e5 🌉 01:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

New message from TheTechie
Very important announcement on that page! TheTechie (formerly Mseingth2133444) ( t &#47; c ) 15:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Not Archiving my User talk page
Hi! I added the to my User Talk page 2 days ago. But, still nothing has been Archived. I'd like to know if there's anything wrong with the Parameters I added; and, how to fix them. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 15:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It appears ClueBot III hasn't been doing a lot of anything for about a week now - see the above thread and Special:Contributions/ClueBot III (pinging DamianZaremba and Rich Smith). Aidan9382 (talk) 15:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks for the ping. ClueBot III has been prodded (restarted) and should get round to your page in due course - Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 15:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, Thanks 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 16:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. BottleOfSoup (talk) 09:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Why is it not working?
Why are my talk page archives not working?

User talk:BottleOfSoup

I've tried a few different sets of instructions, but still, nothing is being archived.

I tried also adding one at the top of the page in case that was the problem, but still nothing is being archived.

BottleOfSoup (talk) 15:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Your latest attempt should work, I think, but the bot may take 24 or 48 hours to get round to it, as it doesn't monitor the archiving requests continuously. I believe the archiving parameters have to be placed before the first  on the page, so your previous attempts may have been too far down. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * For some reason, ClueBot III has not archived any pages since 5 April. DanCherek (talk) 23:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As noted on a thread below, it's been restarted and should get round to you in due course. Remember to ping me and/or in order to get our attention if something is broken - Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 15:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Rich Smith @DanCherek oh, so it wasn't me, it was the bot? I just assumed I had done it wrong. BottleOfSoup (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @ClueBot Commons @DanCherek @John of Reading @Rich Smith
 * Now I think I've made a mess. It suddenly worked when I'd removed the code. Now nothing quite connects. Help? BottleOfSoup (talk) 07:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Per User:ClueBot III:
 * For archives organized by date enter:
 * archiveprefix=User talk:ClueBot Commons/Archives/
 * For numbered archives enter (note /Archive instead of /Archives/):
 * archiveprefix=User talk:ClueBot Commons/Archive
 * You put: User talk:BottleOfSoup/Archive, and it archived to User talk:BottleOfSoup/Archive2024/April, so it did exactly what you asked it to do - Rich T&#124;C&#124;E-Mail 14:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

ClueBot III Bug
Hi :) I just noticed what seemed to be a bug in ClueBot III when it archived my talk page earlier. (Pinging @Rich Smith & @DamianZaremba as mentioned in previous threads).

I have my talk page set to archive the oldest threads when my talk page is over 100,000 bytes. The first two sections have a long DNAU set (so they shouldn't yet be archived). However, in Special:Diff/1218970544, ClueBot III archived several threads from my talk page, including the two with an active DNAU flag.

My ClueBot ArchiveThis code is below:

Let me know if you need any more info. All the best. &zwj;—&zwj; a smart kitten [  meow ] 08:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * FYI looks like the Archive now templates above might be causing this thread to be archived by the bot even though they're in a code block. --Nintendofan885T&amp;Cs apply 18:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up :) I’ve swapped them out for a placeholder. All the best &zwj;—&zwj; a smart kitten [  meow ] 06:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Wondering why this was missed
? Yngvadottir (talk) 04:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Probably because the user has 149 edits which is enough to be whitelisted entirely. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks. That's a bit disturbing. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "Disturbing" How so? — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 10:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Because it was blatant vandalism, including the edit summary. I see from ClueBot NG's user page that the more likely criterion was probably edit count above a certain threshold as well as warnings below a certain threshhold, but a compromised account and editing while drunk are both possibilities, and 149 edits strikes me as low for ignoring such an edit even if it was on that basis rather than whitelisting. It amounts to extended confirmed, but not enough to edit contentious topics. I know that avoiding false positives and thereby alienating good faith editors is important, but wouldn't it be wise to override where the vandalism score is above a very high level? Yngvadottir (talk) 12:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, because there may be instances where an experienced editor may need to make a legitimate edit that appears to be vandalism by the bot. Such instances of an account with this many edits causing actual vandalism are quite rare, so the net positive of exempting editors with high edit counts is greater than what could be gained by having CBNG monitor edits from those accounts. Lastly, even under the best circumstances ClueBot NG doesn't catch all vandalism even from new users, so there's still the need for human editors and patrollers to keep an eye on things like this. Maybe I'm a bit more desensitized, given how I regularly do a lot of patrolling, and have seen serial sockpuppets pass RFA and become admins, but in any case it wouldn't be within CBNG's purview to handle compromised accounts or disgruntled editors deciding to go rogue. Besides, we've already had... some characters... crawl out of the woodwork to scream "ClueBot is clueless" when this edit count check was broken (see ANI thread). — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 13:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Erroneous talk page archiving
ClueBot III has recently been archiving discussions at WP talk:BFDI to /Archives/ 1 instead of /Archive 1. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The same has happened at Talk:2024 Bondi Junction stabbings/Archives/ 1. Local Variable (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Both instances happened because the page was moved, but the person who moved the page didn't update the ArchiveThis template to reflect that. I've updated the template in both instances to resolve this. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 19:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Local Variable (talk) 13:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)