User talk:Clyde Miller/Archive 2

Topics
 * Finishing work with Empires: Dawn of the Modern World
 * Work with Duck Hunt
 * Work with Strategy Wikiproject

Empires FAC
I notice that you're running into objections because of prose issues. I'm not a particularly good copyeditor, so I don't think I can help you on that. I do recommend that you get in touch with a computer and video game article copyeditor like User:TKD or User:Deckiller, however. User:Tony1, in particular, will only stop objecting after the article has been thoroughly copyedited, possibly by multiple people. He objected to a nomination I was heavily involved in awhile back, and the prose needed quite a lot of fine-tuning before it was up to his standards. JimmyBlackwing 08:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm a small time user in need of some help. I've spent the past four months working on an article called Empires: Dawn of the Modern World. The game has been in an FAC for a while now, and just recently it was objected over prose by a couple users, one of them being Tony 1. I was told that are an excellent writer by a friend named JimmyBlackwing. He told me that until the article is copyedited by multiple editors, it will not be passed. If at all possible, could you maybe look it over if you get a chance? If you can't, that's okay, but I'm at the end of my rope. I've done everything in my power to improve this, but there is nothing I can do about prose. Thanks for taking the time to read this (if you still are).--Clyde Miller 01:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll try to take a look within a few days. — TKD::Talk 01:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks.--Clyde Miller 01:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, I had some time, so I went through it real quick; I am purposely controversial with my copyedits, so check and see what you'd like to see nixed (probably the civilization term fork). &mdash; Deckill e r 02:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well I like the wording, but I think Tony liked it better with just the civilizations. I'll drop a note on the FAC page as what the general opionon is. by the way thanks for all the help (so far?).--Clyde Miller 03:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me this?
How is Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker a FA even though there not a single reference under gameplay? FullMetal Falcon 15:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well my best guess would be that there are no references because they didn't have any orginal research, but that still is a little weird. You might consider going to featured article review on those grounds or take a look at wind waker's old one and see what they said.--Clyde Miller 20:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Good luck with copyediting that Empire Article
I was reading your comments on the FAC talk page, and I know how you feel. It's a frustrating process, and very arbitrary. My personal feeling is to just write the article *you* want to write, and let it go after you're satisfied yourself. Some of these people here have a very inflated sense of self-importance. Don't let the cult of Wikipedia get you down. Jeffpw 22:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the encouragement. I suppose you are no stranger to frustration.--Clyde Miller 03:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Empires
Is Empires rated A now?--Clyde Miller 21:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say so, yes. Marked as such. --PresN 23:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Empires
Don't worry about the failure; we'll nominate it again in a week or so after another round of copyedits. &mdash; Deckill e r 04:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay. by the way, is it me or has the edit links become very large? What's the deal?--Clyde Miller 15:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

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Duck Hunt
Hey you've done tons of work with rating video games and I was wondering, is Duck Hunt a B article? I'm trying to get it to GA.--Clyde Miller 00:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's a B, and I marked it as such. I'd go through it (or have someone else go through it) and copyedit it, as the prose could use some cleaning up, though I doubt anyone at GAC will care.  I removed one game guide-y line about the magnifying glass, but the rest looked alright.  The only other suggestion I have is maybe try to find a few more references, possibly for the packaging/music section and the popular culture section, but other than that I think it's about ready for GAC. --PresN 02:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Empires in FAC
Empires failed. I suppose I'll wait for some copyeditors and then re-nominate it, or something.--Clyde Miller 21:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Hey thanks for all your help, by the way. If it wasn't for you, I would have never made it as far as I did.--Clyde Miller 22:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Jimmy I was wondering, is it in good taste to mention the people who supported Empires before, or should I contact them, or should I leave it? Or should I wait unless I need more supports?--Clyde Miller 19:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I would recommend leaving things as they are. Anyone interested in how well the last nomination went will probably click the link, which you provided. Things like asking people who enjoyed the article before to vote again are generally frowned upon, and I wouldn't recommend them. As it is, you probably won't need any more support votes to get featured status. I really can't think of any issue someone might have with the article, at this point. JimmyBlackwing 05:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay cool. I wouldn't have brought it up, but I saw it done in another FAC where thay mention who supported them last time. However, I think they are in greater need of support votes then we are.--Clyde Miller 15:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Empires is featured! Thanks for all your help.--Clyde Miller 23:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on getting Empires featured! Just drop me a line if you ever need help on future projects, and I'll see what I can do. JimmyBlackwing 07:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Congrats :) &mdash; Deckill e r 03:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

XEvil
You seem to be a strong defender of this article in the AfD perhaps you should place a Keep vote in. There are currently two and two more are needed to create a tie vote. Kc4 00:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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Duck Hunt GA on hold
Hi Clyde, just wanted to let you know that, as the reviewer of your GA nom for Duck Hunt, I have put the nom on hold so that you can fix a few issues I identified for you on the article's talk page. Apart from my concerns, however, the article looks great. Green451 03:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Duck Hunt GA nom passed
Congrats, Clyde. See the Duck Hunt talk page for more details. Green451 01:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks
Hey I showed my interest in your idea for a wikiproject, but you might want to consider making a temporary project page if you get more interested people (you can look at some of the other proposals).--Clyde Miller 21:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Clyde, and thanks for voting. I will get to making a project page later (probably tomorrow). | A ndonic O Talk 21:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello again Clyde. I have created the page for the WikiProject now; you can find it at WikiProject Strategy Games. You can help organize the page if you like, because it does need it. | A ndonic O Talk 13:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright I'll do a little organizing. The only example I have is CVG, so I may use some headngs and formatting from there.--Clyde Miller 13:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, go ahead. Later on, I'd like to have the page look something like this WikiProject page. Anyways, first things first; lets fix our brand new page for now. | A ndonic O <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 13:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, but doesn't that look more like a portal?--Clyde Miller 13:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, as long as it's a Wikiproject, it doesn't really matter what it looks like (IMHO). But we'll discus that a few weeks from now, when there is a larger group involved. | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 14:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. For now I think it is more important to add the related info to the project; the format is the icing on the cake.--Clyde Miller 14:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Let's get to work! | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 14:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Forgot to ask you: what did you mean by "Save Chess"? | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 01:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I mean make sure it doesn't lose the bronze star. It's currently under review, and you and I know that means it could lose it. Click the "chess" part of "save chess" on the S.Games' page to see what I mean.--Clyde Miller 05:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, will do. | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 10:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

(from WikiProject Strategy Games)

Is a userbox under construction by someone? I found a good pic to use. If no one makes one, I have a little experience with it.--Clyde Miller 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not doing it; you can go ahead and make it, then propose it here. Also, I think this image is better for a userbox; let's try both ways, to see how it looks better (or just have two userboxes). Will you make both, or do I make one of them? | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 11:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's pretty good. :-) | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 00:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you want to go ahead and add the userbox to the WikiProject? We're using the one with the image you suggested, right? | <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:black;">A</b> ndonic <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Black; font-size:small;">O</b> <i style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:Tan;">Talk</i> 21:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Regarding Empire Earth
Hey man take a look at this. Did I mess something up or can I add it into the article? All I did was get rid of some uneeded headings and combine some stuff.--Clyde (talk) 04:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * First off, let me say that I'm VERY impressed with the initiative you've taken in updating this article. Admittedly, I had planned to fix up the article myself, but it was something I never really got around to doing and I'm glad that somebody did. I think that you've improved things wonderfully and condensed things so that it will become a better article. I only have three concerns. First, the section about the epochs is pretty lengthy and unnecessary. I don't really think that very many people that have never played the game who will really care which age Universities are available in. While I suppose that it could be argued to stay in, I think that there is a lot of superfluous information that could be removed. Second, I see the same provlem with the section on campaigns. While it has been condensed, I feel that it could be adequately summarized in fewer words. I recommend looking at the campaign section in StarCraft (which is a featured article for a similar RTS game). Third, the only other real weak point to the article is the trivia section. Trivia sections, as you probably know, are discouraged and should try to be incorporated into the article. I'm not quite sure how, but I just wanted to throw that out to you in case you had any ideas. I'm sorry if I seem a bit overprotective of the article, I just have spent a lot of time with it and, well, I've become kind of attached to it. Ah well. Have a very merry Christmas! Thunderforge 05:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's alright. I actually thought you would be more overprotective to the article, but you are telling me to shorten it. That I can do (I'm glad I have your permission). Finally, the trivia section is removed unless a source can be found, then I'd probably put it as a subsection in reception. Merry Christmas (eve).--Clyde (talk) 15:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I reduced the article as best I could, mostly focusing on the epochs. The storyline is not much longer than StarCraft, and starcraft has it's own storyline article, so I think it's alright. Unless you really don't want me to, I'm going to add my version.--Clyde (talk) 16:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Both articles look great! I was actually thinking about having an Empire Earth (series) article just like Age of Empires series but again, never got around to it. I'm glad that you took the initiative to do that and hopefully when I have more time on my hands, I'll be able to help too. Thanks! By the way, I just discovered that Age of Empires series page is labeled without parentheses around the word "series". Maybe your page should be the same way?Thunderforge 21:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I noticed that recently you turned Empire Earth into a disambiguation page. I would have to disagree with making this move. Similar computer game series, such as Age of Empires, Command & Conquer, Master of Orion, StarCraft, and other game series do not have disambiguation pages in this manner. Note especially how Age of Empires and Command & Conquer both have series pages, but do not have a disambiguation like this does. Therefore, I truly feel that Empire Earth should not become a disambiguation page and therefore should be turned back into a page for the standard Empire Earth game. Thunderforge 01:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well alright, it's cool to disagree, I just thought since at the time I moved Empire Earth, the vote was 6 for and 2 against (it still is 6 for and 3 against). All the games you citied as not having disambig pages simply haven't had the move take place, and Age of Empires has a dablink to the series page. You can go ahead and move Empire Earth back, but it's kinda tedious and annoying to move back and forth and fix all the links. If they do decide to standardize the disambig pages, you or I might have to redo all the work I just finished. You might want to wait and see what the verdict is about disambig pages, then we can decide about what to do from there. What are your thoughts about putting  a dablink in Empire Earth to the series article?--Clyde (talk) 01:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I seemed a bit irate last time. I was just having a bad day... Well, I'm still not crazy about the idea. However, I think it may be best to wait it out and see what the standard is. I help with the Age of Empires page too (if you hadn't guessed) and it seems like either way, I'll have to make changes to one of the pages, so I'll just wait. I'm still not crazy about it, but we'll see what's official. Thunderforge 04:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well if Empire needs to be moved back, I can do it, but I still like what you did with the Age of Empires page by putting in a dablink. Do you want to do that for Empire instead of a disambig page? Personally I think it is better, and more of a compromise.--Clyde (talk) 15:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * P.S. We all have bad days. I had to have the admins delete one of mine. Funny story there. ; )


 * Actually, I never put the dablink in. Somebody else did. It just seemed to make sense to me though. I was a bit confused as to which you meant seemed better: the dablink or the direct disambiguation page. If you meant the dablink, then yeah, I think that it would be better to have that (obviously, you know what my opinion has been on that). But if you think that the direct disambiguation page seemed better, then I guess we can just leave Empire Earth as it is. Thunderforge 04:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry I was a little vague with my response. I think my opinion stands as use a dablink if there are only two articles, such as the game and the series. If there are more articles than just the series and the game (Metal Gear) then use a disambig page. I'm also going to leave this as a comment on the survey.--Clyde (talk) 16:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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re: King of Fighters
1 2 wow.... Clyde (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The page was in need of clean up, and the list of games was a major part of the mess. Was my changes to the article too radical? I could use some more descriptive feedback about the changes. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 18:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No I think the changes make the series article the quality an encyclopedia expects. You might want to stick some refs on the list of games article or it might be put in an AFD.--Clyde (talk) 19:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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Re: F-Zero
Out of curiosity, Are you going to get F-Zero GX up to FA? Or were you leaving?--Clyde (talk) 03:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * GX to FA would require a collaboration or some increased effort, which isn't going to happen. For all I know the article can still be considered a "B", but got passed by a lenient reviewer - that's how broken the GAC system is, especially when compared to FAC. I should leave, but I'm still needed elsewhere. -_-"  FMF |  <font color="#C8C8C8">contact  18:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Still needed elsewhere? What happened? Was it your FAC with Captain Falcon that made you briefly retire and still consider it? All you need for F-Zero is another peer review, maybe a call to the league of copyeditors, then FAC (which is like another peer review). I know a guy who has done a lot of work for GACs, and I could ask him if he has some pointers, if you want. What's your call?--Clyde (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Never miss a beat, don't you? It doesn't matter, whatever improves the articles and having fzerox.com down is not helping.  FMF |  <font color="#C8C8C8">contact  21:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well if you don't mind, I'll make a couple calls. I know how it is when other people help with your project, but you said you need some increased effort, so I'll do what I can. I'll stick it on Peer review and ask for some help.--Clyde (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's why I nominated Falcon for FA, no one answered in Peer review so I tried getting a review in FAC. I just didn't know they had some Simon Cowell's there. FMF |  <font color="#C8C8C8">contact  23:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * lol. I've had PR problems in the past as well, and I see too many entries go unnoticed. If you want, you could put Caption Falcon up for GA, and I could ask Green451 to review it. He gave me a "miny" peer review when he put Duck Hunt on hold. He's very thourough, and will help you a lot. Or you could try another peer review for Captain Falcon, or talk to some of the major contributors to Link (FA) or Mario (GAC).--Clyde (talk) 23:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. I don't think any of those people were in the FAC for Empires (1 or 2). Also, if you want Captain Falcon copyedited, you might want to go to the League of Copyeditors.--Clyde (talk) 23:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Whatever works besides GAC for now. It needs to separate itself more from the Samus Aran article and resemble more of Link's. *reads section below* Crufty? No, this is crufty. If I wasn't so burnt out from making these F-Zero articles decent, I probably would give each there own article after seeing how well those Pokémon are doing. Oh well, little popularity = little help.  FMF |  <font color="#C8C8C8">contact  00:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: F-Zero GX
Hey if you're bored, could you take a look at F-Zero GX for me? I'm trying to push it to FA with FullMetal Falcon's help, so any pointers would be nice. I just put it on PR too, so I don't know how that's going to go. After seeing yours and one of mine I'm losing a little faith in PRs.--Clyde (talk) 23:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. I haven't had time for any real Wikipedia work lately, but I'd be happy to get back into it. Just scrolling through the article, I can tell you that you need to lose the bulleted list in Gameplay.To turn it into prose, you could try using semicolons in a way similar to Final Fantasy VII's character list. Also, I find the massive Critical Reception template to be distracting--try losing a few of the reviews, and giving more quotes from critics in the text body. While you're at it, you should probably convert that section's heading into sentence capitalization (e.g. "Critical reception").✅ Circuits is a bit crufty with that massive template, too. Finally, Soundtrack could use some expansion.


 * Now, on to the lead:


 * The first sentence doesn't tell you what type of game it is. Try "F-Zero GX (エフゼロ ジーエックス, F-Zero GX? F-ZERO GX) is a futuristic racing video game for the Nintendo GameCube console."✅


 * Second sentence repeats information from the first sentence. Change it to "It was released in Japan on July 25, 2003, in North America on August 26, 2003, and in Europe on October 31, 2003."✅


 * Fourth sentence is original research. To fix this, simply state its "GameRanking", instead of comparing it to other games in the genre.✅


 * Second paragraph is also problematic. History of other games in the series is unnecessary, for starters. If people wanted to know about that, then they would just click the "F-Zero series" link. Try "The fifth installment in the F-Zero series, F-Zero GX continues the difficult, high-speed racing element the series is known for, (Me: this is actually still original research, but I don't know how to fix it) while introducing a story mode, in which the player assumes the role of Captain Falcon (I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what the sentence sounded like it was trying to say) through nine chapters."✅


 * Third paragraph has some issues, as well. Firstly, it's standard procedure to tell the reader who developed the game in the first paragraph, and usually the first sentence. Seeing this, I would recommend trimming this down moving it to the first paragraph's second sentence. The product should be something like "Developed by Sega's Amusement Vision department, it was released in Japan on July 25, 2003, in North America on August 26, 2003, and in Europe on October 31, 2003." Remember, if someone is curious about something, then they will click the internal link.✅


 * The first sentece of third paragraph's second half could be changed to "F-Zero GX/AX runs on a heavily modified version of the engine that powered Super Monkey Ball." The next bit it original research at its finest. This could be fixed by putting it in perspective, and saying that this was IGN's opinion. For example, "IGN listed it as one of the 10 best looking GameCube titles, alongside the Metroid Prime series, Resident Evil 4 and Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time."✅


 * In the header's template, it states that the game is also for the "Triforce arcade board". Digging around, it seems that it was actually F-Zero AX that was featured on an arcade board, and that game has a separate article. This should be removed.✅

Once these things are done, I'll give you some more help. But I think I've piled enough on your plate, for now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JimmyBlackwing (talk • contribs) 23:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Um, yeah. Jeez. Now if only it was possible to get all who reviewed this to pitch in and edit. There's always the GA collaboration. This is such a drag. -_-"  FMF |  <font color="#C8C8C8">contact  00:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. I put a "nowiki" in there without a "/nowiki". Guess I really am rusty at this. Thanks for catching that, Clyde. Also, FullMetal, I'd be happy to pitch in, even though I've only played a F-Zero game for maybe... five minutes. But I helped out on F.E.A.R. without playing the full game, and I think that went pretty well. I'll do some editing on the article as soon as I get a chance. JimmyBlackwing 01:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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Oh, yeah... Serious Sam II
Hey Fuchs you might want to let Rodzilla know that you put Serious Sam II on Hold. Rodzilla hasn't made an edit in a few days, so that might be a good idea. I was gonna put this on hold myself, but was too lazy.--Clyde (talk) 02:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I got a big flurry of user talk edits, I didn't see what you said... you're right, I shoulda put a notice on his user page about the hold, I didn't realize that it was one of those 'one man edit attack' pages... as it is, before I was gonna close it, he responded on the talk pages, so all is right... actually it's kinda funny you called me 'Fuchs', that's what everyone I know in the (non-internet) world calls me. Anyway, thanks for the heads up, have a good day... <font color="#ff9900">Dåvid ƒuchs (talk &bull; contribs) 01:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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