User talk:Clyde Miller/Archive 7

Topics
 * 1080 Snowboarding
 * Various

Show / hide
Just what is so bad about show / hide anyway?  « FMF »   13:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * In the days before the great standardization of VG boxes and the many wars that followed, which ultimately lead to AMIB leaving, people went crazy with navboxes. The show hide function can be bad if there are several show hide navboxes stacked on each other. It creates problems in certain browsers. We are heading down the road again where we bloat navboxes, then show/hide them, then they screw up the page. If it is so bloated it needs to be hidden, how practical is it?--Clyde (talk) 22:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * *grabs popcorn* "In the days before the great standardization of VG boxes...." Right, that seemed so long ago. There are multiple IPs going around changing them, a lot of reverts need to be done...  « FMF »   00:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You saw the battles and the climatic decisive end of the second navbox war, but much came to pass before then, predating even my contributions here.--Clyde (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, it could be AMIB erasing the final representations of his work or something...eh that's crazy.--Clyde (talk) 01:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, anyway which version of F-Zero X do you own?  « FMF »   01:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Version...?--Clyde (talk) 21:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have the original N64 one or did you download it?  « FMF »   21:16, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I downloaded it from the VC. So does that mean you still have the manual? Can you guess where I'm going with this? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FullMetal Falcon (talk • contribs) 21:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No sorry I don't have the manual. I bought the cartridge used at Gamestop many years ago. It didn't have the manual. In fact, I haven't been able to get what I was looking for 1080 off of ReplacementDocs. I wish there was a better place to go...--Clyde (talk) 22:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe go to VG. Drop a public request to see if anyone has it.--Clyde (talk) 22:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Something you don't see everyday....
Check this out...pretty cool, huh? Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 06:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Texas Aggie band
I saw your comments in the FA discussion on the Fightin' Texas Aggie Band article and was wondering if you could weigh in on this dispute. I was attracted to the article while on anti-vandal patrol and saw edit warring over the addition of a "primary sources" tag by several users. Apparently, one side feels there is too much pov content from a single source. Since I have no knowlege in this matter, and from the seemingly large amount of content from a single source and the manner in which that content was written - I became a bit concerned over potential copyvio issues. I stepped in to stop the edit warring and started this query. If you would weigh-in on the discussion, I think it would be enormously helpful. Thanks! Dreadstar †  18:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Back and R&C3 in mind
It has been a fairly long while now, I got caught up in all sorts of other stuff that distracted me from wikipedia and trying to get R&C3 to FA. If you're still willing to help, it'd be a great to have a bit of guidance and such. Crimsonfox 22:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

PS. What exactly was it that you needed to reference from the 1080 manual, I *may* be able to get it. Crimsonfox 22:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure I'd be willing to help. I haven't had much time for Wikipedia lately, but fire away. As to the reference, It is basically this:


 * "There are a total of seven modes in 1080° including training and options.


 * In match race mode, the player competes in a series of races against AI-controlled snowboarders. The game times the player throughout the level, and players receive a life meter which fills if the snowboarder falls down or is knocked over. If the damage meter fills completely or if the player loses to a competitor, the player must retire and restart the race.[citation needed]"


 * If you have the manual information, that would suffice with referencing it. If you don't have it or can't find it, thanks anyway.--Clyde (talk) 19:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, just some pointers on where I should take the article from here. Nothing like a review of it or anything, but like, if I should take it for a review, stuff like that. Crimsonfox 20:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Um I would recommend a couple things:
 * Shorten the multiplayer section in the lead and put it mainly in it's own section.
 * Make sure all references are after commas or full stops.
 * "After racing to Veldin and being mistaken for the new sergeant for the Galactic Rangers,[15] they are contacted by the President on the whereabouts of the only man who has ever defeated Nefarious" Who's they? ✅ Crimsonfox 11:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal was the main focus of the Insomniac Team during its development." Cite. ✅ Crimsonfox 11:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal was featured at the E3 games festival in 2004 and provided a playable demo to participants. Only "siege mode" and a single player demo were available but they were enough to get 1UP.com's award for best action game at E3." Cite. ✅ Crimsonfox 11:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "from a number of the well known game critics." Word choice. ✅ Crimsonfox 11:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I would also recommend doing another peer review before going to FAC. Oh and you know this? It's actually really good and helped a lot. It's worth the time.--Clyde (talk) 01:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So did you say you might be able to acquire the 1080 manual....?--Clyde (talk) 00:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My friend who has it hasn't got back to me on it yet. I'm going to presume he's got rid of it as well but there may still be a chance but don't bet on it. =/ Sorry, got so caught up in things over the past few days I completely forgot to tell you. ^^; Crimsonfox 00:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's cool; thanks anyway.--Clyde (talk) 01:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

just wondering
are you not suspose to have 2 users? by the way i'm not reporting you. just asking.Xelas211 22:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not something you see very often, but I never use CM II in a sockpuppet fashion, and I make it blatant that they are both used by me (same userpage, links between them). I actually use the second for rating articles and Autowiki browser. It's rather troublesome to navigate my contributions or my watchlist with a bunch of assessing article edits or autowiki browser stuff. I don't know why you would report me, but I have nothing to hide; it's legit. I'm not even that active anymore; how did you find me?--Clyde (talk) 01:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * i was just wondering.Xelas211 22:19, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

FA
Since you commented on the Peer Review for Metroid Prime, I wondered if you could take a look at that article's FA nomination. igordebraga ≠ 14:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers!
Cool you're an admin now? Sorry I wasn't there to support ya, haven't been on much; well, overdue congrats anyway.--Clyde (talk) 01:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate, yeah, I've been getting busier and busier anyway too. It's been quite a ride :) Cheers!  Dfrg_ msc  04:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll look at the 1080 article later
Are you active? I haven't been as much lately, but I was considering taking 1080° Snowboarding to FAC. I haven't followed the FAC lately, and don't know if it's up to snuff. If you don't have time, that's cool, but do you think it is ready? I'm at a loss, and think it's time.--CM (talk) 03:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure when, but sometime. Might as well put it up for FAC and get some feedback now. I ran the semi-automated peer review and this is what came back:


 * The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
 * Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.[?]
 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]


 * You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions & User:BQZip01/FA Tips for further ideas. Thanks, — BQZip01 —  talk 03:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. It's up, but it's quiet. Do you want a link? I don't want to force it on you.--CM (talk) 02:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll take a peek at it in the near future, but it seems that the FAC process takes about a month now. Just keep plugging at it and I'm sure you'll be fine. — BQZip01 —  talk 18:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Pfft, you wish...

 * "My userpage was created by Master of Puppets, who left a while back (he did not specify how long). You can copy the formatting if you really like it (or ask to Master of Puppets if he returns, he's the best at what he does). "


 * I was only gone a year, K? Stop making a big deal out of it, jeez. Just kiddin', and yes, I know, 'tis sad. Master of Puppets Care to share?  23:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Back in the editing mood for a while? Welcome back, I suppose. As to that, it's credit where credit is due.--CM (talk) 01:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I felt the need to return, even though it's most likely that nobody remembers me. All the better to start my editing career over again... so are you an admin yet? Master of Puppets Care to share?  01:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Me? Naw I'm too much of an editor's editor. I love working on articles, and doubt I'd be trusted with the mop. I guess you do get to start over, but don't you already have the mop? Nice perk. I think people will remember you; queries for stuff always comes back.--CM (talk) 01:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, I was nominated for the position once. It went disastrously, I guess. Maybe after I spend a few months back here I'll try again; who knows, eh? Master of Puppets Care to share?  01:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You kiddin me? I thought you got the mop ages ago (heh MoP mop). I guess if you mashed us together we'd make a super admin. Oh well.--CM (talk) 03:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Mashed us together, eh? Quick, bring out the telepods! I'll be the fly, you be Brundle. Master of Puppets Care to share?  03:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking Frank Caliendo reference, but I'll be Brundle.--CM (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

SSBB
The subject got changed. You know, you can delete it yourself.Green Kirby 03:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you can try.Green Kirby 00:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I do admit I caused the different topic, and I'm sorry. However, when it got out of hand, we continued it on my talk page. Now it's done.Green Kirby 00:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * sure.Green Kirby 00:48, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

section spacing
Regarding this edit where you space the references section so that it will fall after the reviews table—this will not work for everyone, as different monitor resolutions will require different amounts of space. Instead, try using, as in my edit. This will force the section to come after the table without the need for manual spacing.  Pagra shtak  20:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok.--CM (talk) 21:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: What's up?
What's crackin' man? Still active?--CM (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, yeah, still here, not editing as much as I was, too much school. --PresN (talk) 04:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Magazine request
Hey could you possibly get me the lookback from the May 2006 Nintendo Magazine?--CM (talk) 23:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Clyde. I've got the magazine in question. I've never had a request, so I'm not sure what to do. Shall I just type up all the information on the feature and then send it to your talk page? Thanks. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  09:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you have a scanner you could scan it and send it to me via email, but typing might be better so I can easily read the article. Whatever you think is best; I've never done this one before either.--CM (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Author: Steve Jarratt


 * "Snowboarding sim 1080 was a wildcard in the N64 canon. It didn't look or feel like a game from Nintendo's studios. It wasn't "Mario Snowboarding" or "Yoshi's Slippy-Slidey Snowquest"; this was a straight-up snowboarder, stunt-free but fast and fun.


 * Unlike the overblown antics of SSX, 1080 was very much about speed and handling. The advent of the analogue controller meant that subtle thumb movements caused your board to twist and dig into the snow, while tilting up and down altered your stance and speed.This mechanism also came into play when trying to keep your board level for landing after pulling some "big air".


 * Even though you could fool around in a half-pipe, the game was at its best when you were up gainst an opponenet: keeping your turns as smooth as possible, choosing the right racing line (avoiding ice, gravel and immovable objects)and then crowding to minimise drag and knock a few vital tenths off your time.


 * Back in 1998, this boasted the best videogame representation of snow, with boarders slicing through the powder and leaving realistic trails, all backed up with spot on "swooshy" sound effects. And despite the N64's relatively underpowered graphics engine, the panoramic visuals were sure to impresses.


 * As a two-player split-screen game it still packs a punch, and age hasn't dimmed its sense of speed or the need to really control your character (the merest twitch of the pad can mean the difference of winning and losing). And the good news is that if you don't have an N64 you can still pick up 1080 Avalanche on the GameCube. This sequle boasts all the style of the N64 title but throws in some snazzy weather effectys and a four-player option too. Now that's what I call gnarly."


 * Captions:
 * This probably isn't a time to stare at the scenery, but it's very nice, isn't it?
 * Every little movement of the analogue affects how you hurtle along.
 * No N64? Get 1080 Avalanche on Cube
 * Cock-up or trick? You decide
 * The snow is so realistic it's unreal
 * The sense of speed is palpable.


 * I don't have a scanner&mdash;sorry. It's not much, but I hope this helps you with the article. Thanks. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  23:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, I forgot to give the page number and title. Here it is, Page number: 19, Title: What do you mean, you've never played... *Name of game*. Thanks. Ashnard Talk  Contribs  20:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the article. Sorry for the late reply, but I just got swamped with school. I'll integrate it as soon as I can.--CM (talk) 02:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know that I've read your request for the Edge article on 1080. I will do it for you but there will be a bit of a delay. I'm decorating the house at the moment and I know for a fact that the issue you need is behind a pile of boxes. If I haven't done the review for you in the next few weeks then please make sure that you remind me to do it. - X201 12:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh is the title "What do you mean, you've never played... *Name of game*" or "What do you mean, you've never played...1080° Snowboarding"?--CM (talk) 02:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Title: What do you mean, you've never played... 1080 Snowboarding. Sorry for the confusion. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  16:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Space Hulk (computer game) assessment
Hi, Clyde. I appreciate your assessment of the article. I had also submitted an assessment request for it at WP:VG/A. Seeing as you have rated the article as a VG as well, could I trouble you to close out the assessment over there? Thank you. Jappalang (talk) 08:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it looks like Una Laguna has closed it out. By the way, why did you say it is a conflict of interest for you to assess Descent: FreeSpace? Jappalang (talk) 09:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I consider it a COI only in its most conservative and vague sense. As a general rule, I don't like to be in contact or know the reviewer of the articles I consider passing. It feels slightly too personal, and I suppose can be considered personal preference more than COI.--CM (talk) 21:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Spellforce 2:Dragon Storm Image
Hello,

Is it permitted, to replace the spellforce 2: Dragon storm cover to a better quality image which will replace the image you've placed, i clicked on upload updated image by clicking on the current image, but I'm wanting to check first, and i don't know what to say on the question box, if available please respond on my talk page. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 10:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The Medium/High quality image cover, is the one i've scanned from the game box, but will they permit it being uploaded. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 10:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've replaced the low quality image of the Spellforce 2: Dragon Storm image to a better quality image which i've scanned via my own scanner from the actual game. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 12:51, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Odd question
This is a rather weird question, I'm looking for a word to describe a review done many years after the fact. In context, it would be something like "In a (insert word here) review by Nintendo Power, Steve Jarratt said...." Do you have any ideas?--CM (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * How about "retrospective"?  Pagra shtak  00:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That'll do it, thanks.--CM (talk) 01:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

1080 Manual

 * Hey. This is not a guarantee, but I have a copy of the game at my parents house.  I'm going to visit them thanksgiving weekend.  If I can locate the manual, what do you need from it?-- ZeWrestler   Talk 06:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As much as you can give me of the book citation (publisher, title etc.). The sentence I particularly wanted to be citied was: "If the damage meter fills completely or if the player loses to a competitor, the player must retire and restart the race.". If you get a chance, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'll find a way to work in the article, as most of gameplay can be citied with it.--CM (talk) 23:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh a copyeditor changed up the article a bit, but I still have some ideas where I can put the manual reference. How did you even find out?--CM (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You listed it as a regret of yours that you couldn't get your hands on the manual during the FAC nomination. -- ZeWrestler  Talk 23:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh right. That was sort of a last minute idea in case someone had it. Guess it worked.--CM (talk) 23:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't get a chance to search for the manual. Remind me around Christmas when I go there next. -- ZeWrestler   Talk 02:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I got my hands on the original manual. Strangely enough, I found the box and the manual, yet I couldn't find my original copy of the game.  Oh well.  What do you need me to get from the manual to put in the article. -- ZeWrestler   Talk 18:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made the changes you wanted, I didn't mark it as like you instructed. I wasn't exactly sure how that works.  I have put in all the information I could put into the template from the manual and I've marked page numbers in the manual where the sections in the game are discussed.  If there is anything else I can do, let me know. -- ZeWrestler   Talk 17:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Reception of Article
I've done the reception of Spellforce 2: Dragon Storm I'll add more info once i find it, but i hope it's alright. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 20:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

1080 Snowboarding - Edge review
Hey I was looking into reviews for 1080° Snowboarding, and after discussing possibilities with Hahnchen, he mentioned that you have a review I might need. The game was released in February (JP), April (NA) and November (PAL) of 1998, so I don't know where that would fall in with the magazine, but if you have any reviews or previews of it, that would be helpful.--CM (talk) 22:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that a no?--CM (talk) 22:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, just proof of what I warned you might happen on your talk page on the 4th of December. - X201 (talk) 22:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh my bad, the post got lost in that thread. It'd probably be best to wait until after the holidays anyway; I just thought you never got back to me (which was a oversight on my part).--CM (talk) 22:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've put the highlights (and lowlights) of the review up. - You can find it here User:X201/reviews - Sorry about the delay, although the new wallpaper was worth the effort :-). If you need anything in a bit more depth from the review, let me know. - X201 (talk) 11:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks man, I owe you one. I copied it to my sandbox in case you want space for other reviews, but it has been fully integrated into the article already anyway. Thanks again.--CM (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, quick question: the titles of the articles were just 1080° Snowboarding, yes?--CM (talk) 17:18, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep. - X201 (talk) 11:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

SSBM FAC comments
I've addressed all your prompts. Thanks; that really helped. Ashnard <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  09:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

User page
I don't think we've ever met, but I found your page and started laughing when I read your crash course improvement. It is almost exactly what I do to quickly improve an article, and I was surprised to see it written down step-by-step. If I ever meet someone who wants to help but doesn't know how, your list is certainly a good place to start (depending on how new they are).--CM (talk) 15:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It came about as a a crash proof formula to improve articles outside the games I've played and the half-dozen articles I've listed are much better off than they were before. hbdragon88 (talk) 00:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Article Assessment
Hi,


 * Do you know where i can get an article assessed, i was going to, but then noticed it wasn't the correct page to have it done. <b style="font-size:100%; color:darkblue;">→Yun-Yuu</b> <b style="color:steelblue;">zhan</b>→ 12:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Ref comments
I did a little ref work on 1080° Snowboarding. You should go through and check the refs with year=2007. If there is no indication of when the content was added to the site, don't put a date. If the only indication of the date is a generic copyright notice on the page footer, I don't use it, as it is typically not indicative of when the text was written. If you're able to get the ID for the instruction booklet and a primary author or editor, it would be nice to add, but not a big deal if you can't—I see from the above you don't have a copy on hand. You might consider short-form refs for the booklet, but that's optional, especially since you'd have only one long-form ref. (See one of my favorites for an example of short-form refs and booklet IDs). Hope this helps.  Pagra shtak  17:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed all of the "2007"s from the article. The only reason they were there in the first place is a suggestion I received in an FAC a long time ago (maybe for a different article; don't remember) that there should always be a date, even if its the copyright tag in the footer, for every reference. I suppose its all preference, and I don't really mind either way. As to the long way form of referencing, I will look into it further if I can get a primary editor or author; until then, citations may look slightly strange.--CM (talk) 19:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Manual
Unfortunetly, I got back to my apt before getting this message, so I don't have it on me. When I read the manual, I did not see an author or editor, otherwise I would have included that information in the manual. What kind of id is he requesting. Sadly, I wont be back to the location of manual until easter. Is that ok?-- ZeWrestler  Talk 02:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

1080 FA
Congrats on getting the 1080 article to FA status! You could've just given up at any point after the two failed FACs, but you stuck to it and got what you wanted. I'm happy to have played a small role in getting the article there. Congrats again, and if you have any other articles that need proofreading, don't hesitate to ask! Cheers, Green451 (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I want to echo that sentiment; it's nice to see your hard work come to fruition. Ashnard  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  21:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

1080 Japan Release date
Where'd you find the release date for 1080° Snowboarding on VC? I'd like to update the ref to a more comprehensive one, but couldn't find it.--CM (talk) 00:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be on Nintendo's VC page (Japan). Unless they changed it last minute.  I'm unable to check it at the moment because I'm at work and Nintendo is blocked on this network.  If it has changed feel free to remove that info.  Neo Samus (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * EDIT: here's the link to the Japan VC page http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/vc/lineup.html . It might be hard to read so I would suggest that you have google traslate it.  Also, sorry about my grammar when I add the VC info.  I promise I speak much better than I write. :)  Neo Samus (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Its cool; thanks for the website, I added it.--CM (talk) 21:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

restored image
I've restored Image:SWracer.jpg and Image:Whiplashps2cover.jpg per your request.  Pagra shtak  05:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiForce SmashBros has it's second GA!
Super Smash Bros. is our second GA.--Smashbrosboy (talk) 00:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Short ONM review for 1080 Snowboarding
ONM have given this a very short Virtual Console review (with score) in their latest issue; if you want, I can send you the text. Thanks, Clyde. Ashnard <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  12:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Godzilla: Unleashed
I think the reception would benefit with some scores and such to ward off editors who are inserting OR and weasel words. The more professional views there are, the less likely they are to insert their own. I'll take a crack at it.--CM (talk) 22:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought of doing that myself also but I'm currently putting more focus elsewhere but I'll keep "popping in" so yeah, by all means go for it. Stabby Joe (talk) 22:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a re-write as soon as I can.--CM (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: RoN:TP
What do you make of this?--CM (talk) 03:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Clyde, are you asking for my opinion on the article and its FAC, or inviting me to participate in the latter? Jappalang (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * General opinion on the quality of the article.--CM (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Clyde, my opinion is based off this version.
 * There are plenty of issues with the prose and language in the article. A sample as follows:
 * "eleven months after the original game came out on May 20, 2003" is redundant. It is needless to mention how many months have passed since the original release unless the expansion popped up less than a month or several years after it. Stating the date of the original release doubles the redundancy.
 * "It was then ported to Mac OS X and released for it in November, 2004." can be compacted as "It was ported to and released for Mac OS X in November, 2004."
 * "Thrones and Patriots introduced a variety of new features, such as new monuments (called "Wonders"), nations, and government forms, as well as four new campaigns." The word "new" is over repeated, and I wonder why the number of new campaigns has to be detailed. I would rework it to "Thrones and Patriots expanded on a variety of features in the original game, such as new monuments (called "Wonders"), nations, governments, and campaigns."
 * "Gameplay still remains similar to Rise of Nations," an awkward phrase as there is no context to what Rise of Nations gameplay is.
 * "with AI being able to fill slots at the server host's choice" Artificial intelligence should not be abbreviated at this point, and is an awkward choice in this sentence.
 * "Poor decisions by the player can force them self, Napoleon, into exile." Besides the obvious incorrect form for "themselves", what is meant by "poor decisions"? What is its significance in terms of the article?
 * "is 'a great game gets better," It is allowed to modify quotes (without altering the meaning) to better suit the reading flow. "is 'a great game [which] gets better,"
 * I would recommend a detailed copyedit if it is aiming for GA or FA quality.
 * Presentation and content:
 * I believe compilation scores should not appear in the lead due to its mutable nature (though a long time after the release stabilizes it). Best refer to WP:ASOF if such items are to be included. It would be better to place an opinion based on the general scores than to state "so and so site rated it xx".
 * Why is PAL region used for a PC game? PCs do not abide by any television output standards.
 * "Editor's Choice" is pretty much an award which can be ignored these days... (they are a dime a dozen, or is this just my subjective opinion?) and should be taken out.
 * "Best Expansion Pack" of 2004 should be in its own entry at the bottom of the table
 * The development section is skimpy in content despite being sourced. It is woefully lacking compared to Gameplay and Reception.
 * On the WikiProject Video games scale, I believe it is suitable for B-class. The limited Development section is a real killer as it and the Reception section are generally major establishers of real-world context and help the article to be broad in coverage, a requirement for both GA and FA-class articles. Jappalang (talk) 01:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've been commenting on this at FA and I don't believe it meets the criteria too. I'd have to disagree with you about B-class, though. Information on development is sparse, but collectively the article seems to satisfy the criteria of GA. Jappalang, why not copy and paste this analysis to the article's FAC? Ashnard  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  17:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah lack of sales and paper resources was saddening, and I do agree about Ashnard's idea. Sparse development and prose issues caught my eye as well. I'm not working on the article, I just wanted another pair of eyes to see if I was alone or not in my opinion. Your constructive criticism could greatly help this article though.--CM (talk) 21:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The Mask of Zorro
Hi, CM! Y'remember me? From Talk:The Mask of Zorro? Anyway, about a month ago, we engaged in a discussion with an IP involving that famous scene of Banderas cutting off Catherine Zeta-Jones's dress. Right now, I've been able to cite almost everything there, except for one dubious sentence concerning the actor's alleged "sexual arousal". For the more recent developments, click here. Cinemaniac (talk •  contribs  •  critique) 02:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've relayed a similar message to the aforementioned IP at his discussion page. I hope he'll respond, although I don't think he's made an edit since that discussion. Cinemaniac (talk •  contribs  •  critique) 02:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind. I've vindicated the appropriate source for those previously dubious statements, as you can tell by this diff. Congrats to 70.129.43.110—the section you helped create has now been fully verified! Cinemaniac (talk •  contribs  •  critique) 21:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Happy First Day of Spring!!!
--Cinemaniac (talk •  contribs  •  critique) 22:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured topic
Is the SSB task force going to go for featured topic if SSBB receives the bronze star?--CM (talk) 02:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Came here with the same question—you wanna work on Super Smash Brothers some time? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See my response on Clyde's talk page. DHMO, I'd love to work with you, but I'm afraid I'm not contributing to any article until after my exams in late June. Of course, I can give you a bell when I'm ready, or you can go on without me. I was thinking about getting the series article to FA too, but they were iffy about removing the "recurring characters" section, so that's a non-starter. Thanks. Ashnard  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  08:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure&mdash;probably. I worked on Melee and that's it. It shouldn't just yet I think; the series article probably shouldn't have been promoted to GA and the Super Smash Bros. one was dubious too. I wouldn't call Brawl FA-quality but I won't review it with loads of work I have to do at school and home. But maybe I'm just being cynical. Thanks. Ashnard  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  <sup style="color:black;">Contribs  06:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)