User talk:Cmclementi

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Lee Terbosic
 I know starting out at Wikipedia can be a bit frustrating and confusing but hang in there, it eventually will get easier. I saw your question at the Teahouse and wanted to offer some personal observations. I am no expert, I just have been watching how all this works a bit longer than you so maybe what I see might help.

It is obvious you like this magician's work and you want to write a good Wikipedia article so others can appreciate him too. Lee Terbosic seems to be an "up-and-coming" talent who may become very famous. Unfortunately -- and you may not want to hear this -- you have not been able to provide references that meet Wikipedia's standards.

Have heart, because if Terbosic does become famous the article will become easier to write, but you may have to be patient until that fame arrives.

Wikipedia belongs to a community of people who care about doing things the right way. Sometimes editors are very busy and not always willing to talk new users through the issues. Sometimes they will tell you go read a bunch of stuff ... and they are right, you do need to read that stuff. Sorry, we all have to learn this stuff.

But ... I am going to try and give you a small jumpstart so that when you read that stuff it will make more sense.

Without going into a lot of our "WP jargon" the basic issue you are up against is that we (you, me, and every other Wikipedian) cannot allow our website to be used (intentionally or unintentionally) by up-and-coming people (or groups or businesses or events or products) -- or their fans/supporters -- to boost their fame/career/sales/etc. This is called "promotion" and is forbidden on Wikipedia.

That means that articles about such people/groups/businesses/events/products must be very carefully written and all reference sources must be independent to the article's topic. Let me show you some of the problems so you can understand why it is difficult to accept the article as is:

You use the website www.talentnetworknews.com but that website is directly connected to Talent Network Inc. & David Sedelmeier, an entertainment booking agency and talent manager that has a commercial relationship with Lee Terbosic (see and click the "Contact" link) and therefor cannot be considered "independent" since they will profit by his fame rising.

You said he was on national TV ... In the article you say he was on TLC's "Four Weddings" reality show but you provide no reference that proves that. At Wikipedia having a verifiable reference for any fact you write in the article is critical.

You use IMDB (usually a good source) but that page talks about his role as a writer and producer, not as a magician. What IMDB does do however works against you, because it tells us that the show "52 Up Close" is self-written and self-produced by Terbosic so "52 Close Up" is not an independent source either but rather a form of self-promotion.

I know a lot of what I am saying is not very pleasant but maybe now that you know why your work has been declined in the past, the understanding will help lower the frustration levels. Maybe now you are better able to know what you need to look for in order to create an acceptable article. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Of course you still need to read all that "stuff" we talked about. I suggest starting with Help:Getting started and follow all the links on that page. F6697 FORMERLY   66.97.209.215 TALK 10:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lee Terbosic concern
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Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lee Terbosic


Hello Cmclementi. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "Lee Terbosic".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 10:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lee Terbosic concern
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lee Terbosic, a page you created, has not been edited in 6 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

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Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lee Terbosic


Hello Cmclementi. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "Lee Terbosic".

The page will shortly be deleted. If you plan on editing the page to address the issues raised when it was declined and resubmit it, simply and remove the  or  code. Please note that Articles for Creation is not for indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 01:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Lee Terbosic concern
Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Lee Terbosic, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

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Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:34, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Lee Terbosic


Hello, Cmclementi. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Lee Terbosic".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the  or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 22:27, 5 March 2016 (UTC)