User talk:Cnilep/Archive/24 May 2012

re: List of military slang terms
I have to clear up a misconception - it's a pet peeve of mine. Removing content, merging pages and even turning an entire page into a redirect is not deletion as we use that term here on Wikipedia. "Deletion" is a specific term that means the removal not only of the content but of all the page history from view. Deletion requires special admin powers to execute and special admin powers to undo. Removing content, merging a page or creating a redirect all leave the pagehistory intact and can be executed (and reverted) by ordinary editors with no special powers required.

I bring this up because your proposed solution - take it to AfD - won't work. AfD nominations to "merge a page away" get summarily closed as "keep" because the nomination is not actually asking to delete the pagehistory. They don't have jurisdiction and would properly reject the proposal as something to work out on Talk. (AfD nominations do occassionally end in a recommendation to merge but that is not their primary purpose and the conclusion in those situations is no more or less binding than an equivalently well-discussed decision on any Talk page.)

So let's merge these discussions and take them to Talk. The new discussions at Articles for deletion/FUBAR and Talk:FUBAR are illuminating but nowhere near as in-depth or well-discussed as the (much older) decisions that led to the transfer of the whole list to the Wiktionary Appendix. Rossami (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. I agree that these issues should be discussed in a comprehensive way. Do you have a venue in mind? Maybe Talk:Military slang? or Talk:List of military slang terms? Wherever the discussion takes place, it will probably be necessary to inform contributors to the FUBAR merge discussion, the FUBAR AfD (and maybe other deletion discussions), and Military slang. Cnilep (talk) 00:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you've started discussion at Talk:List of military slang terms. Should we invite other editors to discuss it there? Cnilep (talk) 00:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, got caught up at work and didn't have time to drop you a note back. Please feel free invite others though I am equally comfortable just waiting to see who chimes in at the existing discussion.  Rossami (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2012 (UTC)