User talk:Coachbuild

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August 2008
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Speedy deletion of "Karrosserie Pennock"
A page you created, Karrosserie Pennock, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how they are important or significant, and thus why they should be included in an encyclopedia. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and the guidelines for biographies in particular.

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Thank you. Miquonranger03 (talk) 00:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems
Hello. Concerning your contribution, Karrosserie Pennock, please note that Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text or images obtained from other web sites or printed material, without the permission of the author(s). As a copyright violation, Karrosserie Pennock appears to qualify for deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Karrosserie Pennock has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message.

If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:


 * If you have permission from the author, leave a message explaining the details at Talk:Karrosserie Pennock and send an email with the message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Requesting copyright permission for instructions.
 * If a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain leave a note at Talk:Karrosserie Pennock with a link to where we can find that note.
 * If you own the copyright to the material: send an e-mail from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org or a postal message to the Wikimedia Foundation permitting re-use under the GFDL, and note that you have done so on Talk:Karrosserie Pennock.

However, for textual content, you may simply consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you. JNW (talk) 00:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry guys, I give up.
You make it just too complex and time consuming for me to contribute... All I do is adding info about all coachbuilders I know and all you do is questioning and deleting it. I am not violating any copyrights from www.coachbuild.com, because I have their permission. I have quite a lot to add about all coachbuilders (first hand, second and third hand) out of my own knowledge and from notable people and friends in the business and I've only just started. There's a lot of crap and false details in many articles about coachbuilders and car manufacturers, but it seems it is not always appreciated if I correct these articles. Much information cannot be found on the internet so it's almost impossible to refer to other online sources and besides, many other online sources are false as well...--Coachbuild (talk) 00:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not my intention, nor anyone else's, I should think, to gang up. Yes, the encyclopedia does have guidelines which can make it difficult to create a new article, and text cut-and-pasted from other web sites sends up red flags. Notability is a perennial issue as well. If there is little information online about the subject (I looked, too, and did not find much, either) then printed publications are invaluable. For all the articles I have written or contributed to in a major fashion, I have relied far more on my personal library, and that of the college where I teach, than on the internet. The best and most comprehensive references for writing an article on Wikipedia reside between book covers. Good luck, JNW (talk) 01:18, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Still, most of the info I can provide comes from people I know, not from print. I am sort of a dinosaur when it comes to internet. I'm just an old guy who knows a thing or two and is very willing to share. The same as I share my knowledge with my friends at www.coachbuild.com Therefore I have their permission to copy-paste it into wikipedia.--Coachbuild (talk) 01:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm a bit of a dinosaur in my field, too. I write for a national publication, but I never contribute anything to Wikipedia without providing reliable published sources. You and I might be experts, but we have to support whatever we write with the scholarship of others, which is as it should be. You could use the web site as a reference, re-writing the text, but for the article to stick it will probably needs more sources. If you can find anything in print...JNW (talk) 01:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Very well then... I will share my expertise with dedicated websites. However, the thing I can not appreciate is that Wikipedia is full of false info as long as the refered piblications are false as well. Which happens a lot in the automotive industry. A certain car manufacturer is publishing false performance figures about their cars, but because it is published all over the internet it is considered as true... ?? While newly established companies or less well known coachbuilders from the past have difficulties to appear correctly on Wikipedia as long as there are no other publications...--Coachbuild (talk) 01:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I guess this way Google will allways be a better source for info than wikipedia...Right or wrong, people don't seem to care nowadays?--Coachbuild (talk) 01:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's a lack of caring, at least I hope not. What you suggest is sad, but probably true. Large institutions can effectively transmit propaganda through advertising, which can be taken as fact, if it's repeated loud and long enough. It might not always work, but Wikipedia does discourage contributions from interested parties, WP:COI. And if there is content from a neutral party that contradicts a manufacturer's claims, then it must be shared and cited. Granted, there is information from not so long ago that has not been transferred to the internet, but that is the value of libraries and booksellers, which one hopes never go out of fashion. JNW (talk) 02:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Michiel van den Brink
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Michiel van den Brink, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process
 * Lack WP:REFS, fails WP:BIO. Not notable

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Proposed deletion of Vandenbrink GTO


The article Vandenbrink GTO has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non notable car, never saw production, to photographs to prove that, all I see is CGI image. I doubt it ever went past the drawing board let alone being authorized by Ferrari themselves, no third party media coverage to do with it to establish notability either.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Donnie Park (talk) 01:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Vandenbrink GTO for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Vandenbrink GTO is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Vandenbrink GTO until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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