User talk:Cobaltbluetony/Archive21

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This archive page covers approximately the dates between 2009-04-01 and 2009-04-31.

User:gjr_rodriguez
Hey, leave the professional minor league players stats alone, I talked with the Wikibrass, the stats produce web hits from Blackberries at ballparks and from team scouts, the rule change is pending, DO NOT DELETE the PROFESSIONAL- under contract to the professional teams- teams that fall under professional baseball leagues template. Leave the policing to the police. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjr rodriguez (talk • contribs) 14:18, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

---Theres nothing automatic about it, by definition minor league ball players, under contract, and that contract mentioned on that page, are professional players. But Wikipedia leaving WP:ATHLETE undefined, leaves it open to interpretation, to be taken up with Wikipedia once they discover it. Not some douchebag with a wikibadge....in the meantime, the stats will be re-appearing no matter how many times u delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjr rodriguez (talk • contribs) 14:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The minor leaguer articles
While I'm definitely not in the "all minor leaguers are fully professional camp", I can't in good conscience delete these as speedies, especially since there is a vocal minority who think this meets WP:ATHLETE (more than just our friend here). While I hate to clog AfD, traditionally deleting the minor leaguers is controversial, and that's probably the best venue for them. Cheers!-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  22:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * And just a heads up. I declined the speedy on Jose Diaz (baseball player), but I brought it to AfD because my good faith search for sources that show notability came up empty.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  22:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Indef blocks and block templates
Hi Tony. When I indef block an obvious vandalism-only account, I tend to stick to WP:RBI. It's not like that user will have any doubt as to why he's blocked and I feel like the only thing a block template can do is give the vandal a cool thing to show his friends (not to mention that it saves me 20 seconds of useless work). I think it's a reasonable thing to do but maybe you can convince me it isn't. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson (talk) 14:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Brox Sisters
Hi. I've restored the Brox Sisters article which you deleted. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Framework for the Future
Hello cobaltbluetony.

you recently edited the beginnings of my article on Framework for the Future. the article was not really ready for this!!! it was probably my mistake for not working on it in a sandbox or on my userpage first but i am very new to wiki and i had no idea that it would be edited so quickly. i am going to work on the article elsewhere for a while and then post it for real when it is ready.

i would value any comments once i have completed it, but until then could you please leave it alone.

thanks for sending the tips on how to edit

CLTG01 (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks CobaltBlue. Rocket501Rocket501 (talk) 18:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Took a stab at improving the Cleantech Group article you flagged
I'm still new to editing articles on Wikipedia (so please forgive any mistakes), but thought I'd add a few citations to help with the article on the Cleantech Group. I got the citations from a quick Google search, which also revealed that the company has been in the news quite a bit lately. Their research was quoted by The New York Times, BusinessWeek, and other publications. Similar organizations, such as Clean Edge, also seem to be represented on Wikipedia. Is this enough to remove the flags/warnings/notices (not sure what they're called)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kawika (talk • contribs) 16:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge from - Anthroposophical Society
You added a merge from template without a parameter to tell what should be merged into this. Can you have a look and clarify? Thanks hgilbert (talk) 16:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

from User:Stevonmfl
Admire your view of the world as it should be. Please take a moment to review the Columbine School Massacre pages and see how many of your well intentioned rules were violated on this very thorough multi-page treatment of one incident of group violence. Much of what is allowed is conjecture, original research, viewpoints and even untested guesswork. I have attempted to prove my expertise and show validity outside of myself in an area that affects hundreds of thousands of children of color over generations and decades and have been put down, cursed at and treated with contempt and sarcasm. Thus, at this stage, you are seeing a side of me I do not like to visit. Read the initial communications between myself and your nightshift36 and make up your own mind. And look at his very scary profile. People (me) who get pushed around without justification will react. I now have serious doubts about this site as a useful tool for educating those who are not members of the majority group. You may remove me from your site as due to the dual (biased) treatment of the subject matter (children killing children) I do not see wikapedia as the sort of environment to advance knowledge and thus solutions for the groups that need it most. I limit my active participation to activities that allow open discussion and sharing of multiple viewpoints. That does not happen at wikipedia.Stevonmfl (talk) 19:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

And how do I file a complaint about nasty language and personal attacks by an editor? Specifically Nightshift36. Or is that a one way street as well? I am disgusted not by your content rules but by your double standards and the way in which you administer the rules. Is there a ladder of administration where I can point out the structural problems that I have encountered. Again, I am not referring to the rules but in your enforcement techniques and how each editor turns a blind eye to it while throwing a well-meaning and informed contributor of much needed and valuable information under the wikipedia bus. I am on the verge of being blocked while "editors" get away with bad language, sarcasm and general disrespect under a color of authority. You allow and support loose cannons who in effect put an end to contributing by their manner and style and it is resented. I will be spresding this information as I go about my work.Stevonmfl (talk) 11:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Tony, while you're looking into it, you might want to review the grafitti left on my talk page by Steve. The most recent one was solely an insult after I posted a response to him that allowed for him to bury the hatchet. While he is here playing the victim, he is doing the same things he protests. Niteshift36 (talk) 13:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. I will try and use it for an RFC. Stevonmfl (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that Niteshift36 could perhaps have been a little less agressive towards Stevonmfl. It was clear that Stevonmfl was in the wrong pretty quickly. Comments like "Maybe you're just not used to people who aren't bowled over by your "expertise", but I'm not some grad student or TA who is required to scrape and bow to you" don't really help us to have civilised discussions. They were both too quick to move onto attacking each other with regards to who is the better qualified to talk about gangs and not willing to compromise. I can understand why Stevonmfl feels upset at his treatment as a newbie but then that is no excuse to launch personal attacks. Smartse (talk) 14:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I've suggested ways he might try to get consenus that his contributions meet Wikipedia policy BEFORE he bangs them down on the article - while I know nothing of the subject, I do think he might have something useful to add, if only another war can be avoided. Of course, he might not appreciate the suggestion, but I felt I had to try.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll tell on myself
Regarding the exchanges between user:Stevonmfl and I, I was not always polite. I did employ sarcasm in response to his attacks and I used the word "shit" once during a reply, although it was actually directed towards myself (I refered to him having a "you don't know shit" attitude towards me). Yes, I am aware I should assume good faith, but I can't say I ALWAYS do it. When the users very first post to me is to make very incorrect assumptions about me and tells me that since I don't know what I'm talking about, I should step aside, I find it hard to assume good faith. While I was snarky, I don't think I attacked him directly. I particulary found it hard to not attack back when the man called me a racist simply because I was trying to follow the wp:rs guidelines, but I managed to not unload on him. I have a particular aversion to being called a racist. Did I AGF? Not completely, although in the COI discussion and on Steve's page, I mentioned more than once that I thought the material had value, that I thought he was here with good intentions and didn't warrant a block when it was first suggested by another editor. Did I use profanity? Yep, see above. Was I sarcastic? Guilty. But I really don't think I attacked him personally. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reminder. I'll try to be less of a pain in your butt. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

From Stevonmfl
For the record and maybe more as it is important to keep insults credited correctly here as this seems to be a favored method of operating, the above discussion by Smatse is NOT CREDITED CORRECTLY. To wit: "...It was clear that Stevonmfl was in the wrong pretty quickly. Comments like "Maybe you're just not used to people who aren't bowled over by your "expertise", but I'm not some grad student or TA who is required to scrape and bow to you" don't really help us to have civilised discussions." In fact, the above comment on being "bowled over" was actually uttered by Nightshift36 as an insult to me. Smartse assumed it was me and I was blocked like a child. Maybe you need to ask yourself why you made such an assumption. At any rate, I am too used to these kinds of "mistakes" and suffering the repercussions from same and wish you all well. Have a white day.Stevonmfl (talk) 11:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Have a white day? See Tony, now you are a racist too. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Was that really necessary? Really?  (sorry Tony, shouldn't really be doing this on your talk page) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:28, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's relevant. The user starts calling anyone who doesn't agree with him a racist. That's a vile label and I was offended to have it applied to me. Tony may or may not care about being called one, but I think pointing out that kind of behavior is relevant. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I take your point. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The manner in which you assessed and acted on the communications between nightwatch36 and myself revealed a blatant double standard of which I am very familiar. Such duality comes from unjustified and unsupportable bias, regardless of attempts to explain it. It is what it is. In my educated opinion, in this instance you applied such bias when exercising the authority entrusted in you. This is a standard method of operating (whether blatand or subtle) that white people use to maintain a level of superiority that is used at will. This is why I wished you a white day. I have ended my attempts to add anything here as I do not trust the editing process that would follow.Stevonmfl (talk) 15:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

You are corrct. I should have explained further. Examples of bias are plentiful and well documented. Evidence can be seen in uneven grading, vehicle stops, arrests and sentencing patterns; uneven employment, lending, housing and health care and etc. etc. etc... The bias process is difficult to identify as it occurs but shows itself over time (patterns). I do not intend to insult, only to point out how the dual treatment is received and perceived...and I am far from alone. I would be surprised if I were not correct in my assumption of the make-up of the "editors". The treatment follows a very old pattern and is obvious to those who are aware of it and can spot it. In the case of how you dealt with nightshift36 and myself: he was given a warning and then a suspended sentence and I was thrown in jail and then was (am) about to be fired...all for the same infraction. I assume that after repeatedly experiencing and putting up with this sort of thing you might react similarly. Alas...we will never know. Stevonmfl (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Stevonmfl (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stevonmfl" Hidden categories: User talk pages with Uw-coi noticesStevonmfl (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Can I just say...
...I admire your patience and continued perserverence. Wikipedia needs people like you. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

and they need more than that
...

Look...this is the real world...and the real world has consequences. I am working with people who want to make real changes in the real world and not play with it as a new toy (wikipedia). I honestly viewed this venue as a tool to educate and not one to control and manipulate. Whether I am black or Hispanic means nothing to me and it shouldn't to you. The idea of attempting to use the Internet as a mechanism for positive change in people's lives is the objective that I entered into this exchange with and I was stopped in my tracks in the same old ways. We are working on ways to use the Internet to stop real time violence in Darfur, Iraq, Chicago and Compton. This is putting the Internet to its best use...to help humanity. Your group wants to do something else which, in MY opinion, is not putting the best of the Internet to its best use. You and the other wiki editors can read about it in about two to three years in someone's "book".Stevonmfl (talk) 01:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Stevonmfl (talk) 01:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

...and before you explain that I am in the wrong venue, ask yourselves if this is the right venue for what you are doing. It seems to me you are not much more than a library of miscellaneous facts. A better application of real-time Internet usage might be at least to add a category of "experimental and revolutionary news" or something that connects real world changes and dynamics with wiki. Otherwise, you are not of real usefulness as the world is moving faster than you are able to keep up. And the Internet was made for such changes.Stevonmfl (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Tony, I quit. This guy has now descended to personally insulting me on my talkpage. You can have him.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 09:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Akron Community Foundation
Hello,

I noticed you added notability/credibility tags to the Akron Community Foundation page. To fix this, I added several new references citing newspaper articles that talk about Akron Community Foundation. The foundation has been the subject of hundreds of articles, but it's impossible to reference them all, as our local newspaper archives and locks stories after a certain time period. Is there anything else you need me to change so that the tags can be removed? I assure you the foundation is very notable and has had a tremendous impact in Ohio.

Thank you!

Kristen Mooney Communications Associate Akron Community Foundation —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooneykl (talk • contribs) 17:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC)