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Eastwick UK Airdate
Where did you get the UK airdate for the 2009 Eastwick series from? I'm not complaining or wanting to remove the date, I'm just curious because I want to watch the show on British television. Tommyjgrimshaw (talk) 22:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gavin Hetherington
Not sure what you were trying to do, but you managed to stick this old AfD into todays articles for deletion log. I've undone that for now, but if you need any help please ask. Quantpole (talk) 12:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

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Spoilers in Pretty Little Liars (TV series)‎
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Alexandra Burke discography
hey, please stop changing the certifications. it doesnt matter how much they have sold, they are correct to what the bpi database says they are. Mister sparky (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * the reference is the bpi database next to the certification itself. type alexandra burke as a keyword and it tells you her uk certifications. its irrelevant how much they have sold. Mister sparky (talk) 19:29, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * for hero search "hero" as a keyword. as i said, sales are irrelevant. certifications are shipments not sales. Mister sparky (talk) 19:42, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * exactly, sales to retailers ie shipments. Mister sparky (talk) 20:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Pretty Little Liars season 1 page
I'm not doubting that the show is going to be a success with all of the promotion it is receiving. But is it really necessary to have season 1 page before the show is even premiering and before there is even a lot of info for the episodes, I think that pretty premature. I don't see anything wrong with all the season 1 info being on the main PLL episode list, That's the reason why I redirected the info in the first place. QuasyBoy (talk) 21:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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That's So Raven season 1 page
Since you insist on season 1 have its own page, I hope you continue to add more content for other seasons as well. To be honest, I don't see anything with all the episode content on one page. The page was a little long yes, but nothing too extreme.  Quasy Boy  20:12, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that GREAT to know. :) I took the liberty of fixing the the sublist text. Originally it was like this: "{{Episode list/sublist|List of That's So Raven episodes" but it will only be able to work with the &#39; between That and the letter s. Use this text: &#39; from now on so the pages can properly transclude.  Quasy Boy  22:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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Reliable sources
Hey, I wanted to give you a little information about reliable sources because well... none of the sources on either Gavin Hetherington or Abyssal Sanctuary: Remnants of the Damned are usable to show notability. None of them. If anything, they're pretty much the opposite of what a WP:RS would be.

First off, Amazon isn't a reliable source for anything when you come down to it. They're a merchant source, so anything they post will be done so in the interest of selling a product. Even their "bestselling" categories are suspect since in many cases they make the categories so specific that it's very, very easy for someone to claim that they're the bestseller in whatever category. This is why we never, never count selling numbers or bestselling status towards notability. It's very easy for someone to manipulate the categories to give themselves a bestselling status, especially on Amazon. I've actually seen incidents where authors have signed up with multiple accounts and downloaded a book multiple times in order to accomplish this- even outright telling others to do so. It's usually the ones who aren't so discreet about it that get caught. This isn't the case in every instance, but it's prevalent enough to where sales numbers don't count towards notability. I mean, even the New York Times Bestselling list isn't safe from people altering numbers to gain access. This guy actually manipulated the list to get on it, which is why we don't count the NYTBL either. The only thing sales numbers mean is that the book is more likely to gain coverage, but that isn't a guarantee. There are a lot of bestselling books that hit high numbers but never get even a bit of attention.

The second thing is that the only reviews that "count" are the ones that are done by people in reliable sources. That means that no amount of good reviews by Amazon customers or Goodreads people, or blog sources will count towards notability. Some blogs do count towards notability, but it's very, very rare- as in, go buy a lottery ticket type of rare. Blogs are only usable as RS when they have an editorial board that we can verify and when they've been around long enough to gain a reputation of sorts. This usually means that it's an official blog of someone notable or of a notable or respectable institution, such as the editor of the New York Times or the official blog of the ALA. A random book reviewer blog isn't going to give notability regardless of how popular it is. Even Dear Author, one of the most popular book review/news sites out there isn't considered a reliable source. You should never, never, NEVER link to a customer review on Amazon or any review on any social media review site. NEVER. The problem is that even if the review asserts that it's from a notable person such as say, Melissa Marr giving a book 5 stars, those sites are very easy to manipulate when you get down to it, plus you have to verify that they're not just giving a buddy a 5 star review. Stuff like that happens- one person scratches another person's back and so on. The other problem with review sites like those is that it's so incredibly easy for an author to fake their own reviews. A big, big case in point: Robert Stanek. I'll just let you read up on him yourself, but he's essentially one of the most infamous reasons we don't count Amazon or social media type reviews.

This brings me to another point: none of the award nominations are usable. The problem with Goodreads, the Bath Novel Awards, and the Shorty Awards is that those are all awards that someone could essentially nominate themselves for. Even if the author isn't supposed to nominate themselves, there's nothing stopping them from making a fake account and nominating themselves. When you get down to brass tacks, nominations don't give notability. Only wins give notability. A nomination for an overwhelmingly notable award might make it likely that you'll gain coverage, but it isn't a guarantee and in many cases only the really well known awards will gain someone coverage for a nomination. (Think Oscars.) Even then, an award win doesn't guarantee notability as 5% of any award in any category gives notability and even less than that would give absolute notability that would merit a keep on that basis alone. (Again, think Oscars and Grammys.) Nominations don't really count towards anything, although we will sometimes list them on here. Listing them isn't really an imperative, just sort of an aside.

So what does count towards notability? Coverage in places such as newspapers, trusted websites, and absolute authorities would count. A review in say, the New York Times would count towards notability as would an article written by them. Coverage in a site such as Tor.com would count as well, but you'd have to ensure that it wasn't a blog written by the author. The thing to be careful of is that you don't count WP:PRIMARY sources as a reliable source. No amount of primary coverage will be counted as usable towards notability. Why? Because quite obviously, they're interested in succeeding. It's natural and correct for them to write about themselves in the best way possible. What that means for us is that we should always be suspect of their claims and assertions. A person could say that an award nomination or selling status is the peak of notability, when in actuality it isn't. That's why we need reliable secondary sources to show notability and back up claims that what they're claiming is really notable and worth inclusion.

Now another thing I noticed was that you tend to write in a very casual tone. Not so much that it would be a problem in some circumstances, but when you're including several very non-usable sources and writing up trivial things as notable things, it comes across as a bit spammy. That's why it's so incredibly important to verify that sources are usable and that claims are actually notable before creating an article or adding something. I hope that none of this comes across badly to you, just that these articles come across as puffery (WP:PUFFERY) and promotional in tone, and until I checked out your edit history, I assumed that you were either the author himself or someone he paid to create an article. Forgive me for being so blunt, but you've got to be very careful about stuff like this because once people associate you with unreliable sources and promotional articles, it's hard to build a reputation back up. It's really important to learn these things so you can avoid doing stuff like this in the future. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:30, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem! I kind of felt that this all boiled down to you just being new on Wikipedia because this was a lot of the same things I did when I first joined up here. I remember getting all baffled when people reverted everything I did or removed a link for various reasons, but never told me what I did wrong or explained any of it. It was pretty frustrating, which was probably why I didn't edit as regularly then as I do now. Now something you can do for this author is create a Wikia site for him. It's not exactly the same thing as Wikipedia since he would be the sole subject of an entire wiki (along with his work), but it's a good way to kind of get the information out there without all of the rules on Wikipedia. It's also a good place to practice writing articles. Your userspace is also a good place to try things out, as is your sandbox. There's a group sandbox (Sandbox), but the problem with that is that others can edit it at the same time which can be annoying if you're trying to see if something will work or not. It also gets periodically cleaned out, so if you're looking for a place to store work then your own sandbox will be better. In any case, I'm glad you didn't take any of that wrong; sometimes in my gusto to try to include everything or emphasize something I'll end up sounding kind of overly blunt. Cheers! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * ...and the same applies to Pilot (Eastwick). In fact, I am beginning to wonder how much of your editing consists of posting material you copy from elsewhere. You really must not continue to do so. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Can I just ask, what exactly was copyright information on the List of Eastwick episodes, Witches of East End (season 1) and Pilot (Eastwick) pages please? Like I would actually need citations to show what was copyright because I don't see how common knowledge for a List of episodes page, a page about a season of a television show and a page about an episode of a television show breaches copyright four years after the creation of those pages (well for the Eastwick articles). I don't see why they were deleted at all, especially with no option to protest the decision as they took a lot of time to build and was free information. So I would really appreciate a justified reason for each brash decision for deleting those pages. Thanks very much Codywarren08 (talk) 22:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The articles contained word-for word copies of extensive text, which has been published elsewhere. You refer to "common knowledge". No copyright subsists in "common knowledge" of facts, nor indeed in facts of any sort, whether common knowledge or not, but copyright does subsist in the actual wording used to state those facts. For example, there is no copyright in the facts that grass is green and the sky is blue, but if I copy the actual wording of another person's statement about the colours of grass and the sky then I may well be infringing copyright. If a published account says "The story begins in a small croft in the Scottish highlands, where James Watson has just arrived home from a visit to Edinburgh", then I am perfectly at liberty to write "James Watson had recently returned from Edinburgh to his Highland cottage", but if I wrote "The story begins in a small croft in the Scottish highlands, where James Watson has just arrived home from a visit to Edinburgh" then I would be unambiguously infringing copyright, and even if I wrote "James Watson has just arrived home from a visit to Edinburgh" I would be pushing things.


 * You refer to "free information". That depends what you mean by "free" and what you mean by "information". As I have already indicated, if by "information" you mean facts, then there is no copyright, but if you mean the actual wording describing those facts, then that is a different matter. If by "free" you mean freely available to read, then that has nothing to do with the copyright status of the information. If you mean free of copyright (i.e. public domain), or if you mean licensed under the terms of a so-called "free" license, then you need to provide evidence of that. Wikipedia policy is that we don't presume that there is copyright release, but require firm evidence.


 * The episode lists have been copied on various websites, but that does not in any way invalidate their copyright. There is, for some strange reason, a widespread belief that anything published anywhere on the internet is free for anyone to reuse, and so content gets copied everywhere, particularly in subject areas which appeal largely to adolescent children, such as games, television series, etc. However, the fact that lots of people have infringed copyright does not mean that the copyright somehow disappears, or that it becomes all right for other people to do the same.


 * You say that you don't understand how the content "breaches copyright four years after the creation of those pages". However, the passage of a mere four years does not lead to any loss of copyright: United States copyright normally persists until seventy years after the death of the author.


 * I do sympathise with you over your loss of time and effort, since you no doubt acted in good faith, under the mistaken impression that copying content from other websites word for word was legally permitted. However, the fact remains that what you did was pretty certainly illegal, whether intentionally or not, and Wikipedia policy is for copyright-infringing pages to be speedily deleted as soon as the problem comes to light, not to leave it around while we discuss the issues. Indeed, if we had a policy of allowing content to remain on public view after it had become known that copyright was infringed, then the Wikmedia foundation could very well find itself being sued by numerous copyright owners. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I would have quite happily worded episode summaries in my own words had I had the opportunity before the deletion of the List of Eastwick episodes page, which is what I am assuming was the only thing that breached copyright on that page. I can understand copyright that you have very kindly explained to me, but it doesn't help me identify the specific examples of what I had simply copy and pasted. The same must apply to the Witches of East End season 1 page as I referenced statements and information, and episode summaries I actually did not write, somebody else must have included those, I just moved the table over from the main Witches of East End page to the Season 1 page that I created. Other than episode summaries, I really don't know what I could have simply copy and pasted without referencing. If I had of known that was just quite simply the case, then deletion of those pages could have been avoided entirely and now collected data (such as UK ratings for Eastwick episodes which I researched myself four years ago) are now just gone and infomation about the episodes that aired of Eastwick is just completely not there. It's great that the deletion of the Season 1 page of Witches of East End didn't affect the List of episodes page and the table is still intact, but because the Season 1 page is deleted, there is no way anyone can now edit the Season 1 table, and with an additional season ordered, if a season 1 page doesn't exist anymore, then it would defeat the purpose of having a season 2 page. The season 1 page could have been added to over time and is completely within Wikipedia guidelines considering almost every television show with more than one season has separate pages for the shows. I would like to protest these decisions of drastically deleting these pages when they could have been worked on and avoided deleting completely. Codywarren08 (talk) 21:56, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I also notice that you deleted the List of Eastwick episodes page because of the Witches of East End website episode guide. Did it ever occur to you that maybe that site copied its information from Wikipedia where the information has been available for over four years now? I don't know if this is the case or not but it does look to me like it was episode summaries that caused the deletion of the page. I would happily re-write the episode summaries as now there is no episode information for Eastwick whatsoever. You also cite a 4Shared website as reason for the deletion of the Season 1 Witches of East End page. I can assure you I did not use a website to illegally watch a show online to include information into that page. In fact it is quite ridiculous that the website in question is the reason for deleting a season page. It must be because of episode summaries which they could have, yet again, quite easily copied from Wikipedia in the first place? That website does not hold any copyright to an episode summary when the website itself is not a reliable source of information and is involved in illegal streaming of television shows. Codywarren08 (talk) 22:07, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Some of what you have written is somewhat difficult to understand, but I think I understand the main points of what you are trying to convey, and I will try to answer those.


 * You ask "Did it ever occur to you that maybe that site copied its information from Wikipedia...?" Certainly it did. I checked that the content in question was available on websites dated from before the dates of creation of the Wikipedia articles that I deleted. Where I have given a URL to a page where the copied content is to be seen, that is merely for the purpose of providing evidence that the content did exist before the creation of the Wikipedia article, and I express no view as to whether the page at the URL I give is the original publication or a subsequent copy. Since, as I have already said, the content has in some cases been very widely copied in numerous places, it is very difficult to find where the original publication was, and I have made no attempt to do so, nor to determine whether the content was legally or illegally included at the URL I have quoted. There is no doubt whatever that you copied substantial content from somewhere, and if the source you copied from had itself infringed copyright by copying from somewhere else, such as another Wikipedia article, that does not somehow nullify the copyright status of the copied content.


 * You say "I did not use a website to illegally watch a show online to include information into that page". It never even crossed my mind that there was any possibility of that, and I certainly don't see anything to suggest that in anything I have written.


 * You may possibly think, as many people do, that there is no restriction whatever on copying from a Wikipedia page. This, however, is not true. Wikipedia's licensing terms require any copy to give a link to where it was copied from, so that the copyright holder can be identified. Copying content from Wikipedia without providing that information is a breach of copyright. This means that if, as you seem to be saying, you copied content from one Wikipedia article to another, without linking back to the source (most conveniently this can be done in an edit summary), then you were infringing the copyright of the author of that content, whether it originated on Wikipedia or not. There are also at least two other reasons why copying from one Wikipedia page to another without saying so is unhelpful: (1) it makes it difficult to see where the content comes from, so if it did originate on Wikipedia and was then copied to other places off Wikipedia, it makes it look as though the content may have originated off Wikipedia; (2) if it is discovered that the content infringes copyright, then it makes it very difficult to find all instances of the copyright infringement on Wikipedia, which causes difficulty in removing such infringements.


 * As I hope is now clear, whether the content originated on Wikipedia or not is irrelevant to the question of whether copying it infringed copyright. Nevertheless, I have made considerable efforts to check whether it did originate on Wikipedia. Neither searches within Wikipedia nor external searches such as Google have managed to produce any evidence of the content's having appeared in any Wikipedia page at any earlier date than the earliest dates I found for its appearance elsewhere. Also, the content does not look as though it was written for Wikipedia. The language and expression used is typical of writing by copy-editors employed to write promotional material for companies producing television series, and does not look remotely like the kind of phrasing which is typical of the people (mostly teenage children) who spend their time writing such small details about television series as accounts of plots of individual episodes. Of course, that is not proof, but combined with the other information it contributes to the very strong overall impression that the content did not originate on Wikipedia.


 * You say that you "just moved the table over from the main Witches of East End page to the Season 1 page". In the context, you seemed to be saying that you had merely copied from another Wikipedia article, and so were not responsible for introducing it to Wikipedia. I took "the main Witches of East End page" as meaning the article Witches of East End, but I can find no trace of the content anywhere in that article's history, so that can't be what you mean. I did, however, find that similar content once existed in List of Witches of East End episodes, and that you removed it from there. However, that article was created by you, and that content was inserted into the article by you, so that can't be what you mean either. Perhaps you can clarify what you do mean by that statement.


 * I have looked again at Witches of East End (season 1), and found that, contrary to my previous impression, the copyright-infringing material was not there right from the first version, but was added nine minutes later. I have therefore restored the revisions of the article before the material was added. Unfortunately, this has the effect of losing later edits, but there is no way of keeping those without either keeping the copyright infringing material in the history or else removing the attribution of later edits to their authors, which would be a breach of Wikipedia's licensing terms. Similar remarks apply to List of Eastwick episodes. On the other hand Pilot (Eastwick) contained substantial copied text right from its first version. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:42, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

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Why did you delete my user page?
Hi, why did you delete my user page? It was just for my own personal use but you deleted it? Why? --Codywarren08 (talk) 22:50, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You just explained why, I think. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't. Explain to my why you deleted my PERSONAL user page? I need all that information you just deleted, how am I going to get it back? It wasn't public and it wasn't being used to advance my "career" as you say. Why didn't you warn me if I was violating things on my personal user page? Is there a way for me to get all that information back? And isn't a sandbox supposed to be for personal use too? --Codywarren08 (talk) 22:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No. A sandbox is to do things related to Wikipedia. We are not a webhost. At least one editor on Articles for deletion/Gavin Hetherington (2nd nomination) suggested you were spamming. You've been here for thirteen years--that's long enough to learn what rules apply here. I restored the last edit of the user page: please go copy the information right now. Drmies (talk) 22:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What is my user page for? Is it to not... talk about myself? As a user of Wikipedia? Fair enough, delete the sandbox but my personal user page? But if you delete my user page, for being about me, is that not violating something? Do explain to me what a user page is for then.--Codywarren08 (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it is not. See User pages. I see that deleted it again; I assume you were smart enough to copy it right away. Now, I have restored User:Codywarren08/sandbox, which I think is a lengthy draft with a kind of linkdump-style resume for a non-notable YouTuber; please copy and save it right now. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) Per User pages, User pages are pages for organizing the work users do on Wikipedia, as well as speaking to other users. User pages are mainly for interpersonal discussion, notices, testing and drafts (see: Sandboxes), and, if desired, limited autobiographical and personal content. The key word here is LIMITED. Look at my User page or Drmies for comparison. Liz Read! Talk! 23:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * You originally deleted my user page saying I was "promoting my own writing and career". It is my private and personal user page which had nothing in there that violated guidelines. I was not promoting anything because nobody was seeing it but me. So, is it really fair to delete my personal user page for the reasons you initially said, whether or not the autobiographical part was "limited"? If you had of said, "you have too much on your user page, please take the time to delete anything unnecessary" then fair enough, but you initially deleted it for the wrong reasons. That, to me, isn't fair.--Codywarren08 (talk) 23:13, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You may want to read WP:WEBHOST (emphasis mine):

Wikipedians have individual user pages, but they should be used primarily to present information relevant to work on the encyclopedia. Limited autobiographical information is allowed, but user pages do not serve as personal webpages, blogs, or repositories for large amounts of material irrelevant to collaborating on Wikipedia.
 * Your person page was clearly not relevant to Wikipedia. You're close to being blocked per WP:NOTHERE. OhNo itsJamie Talk 23:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Then why did nobody tell me that I had too much on my personal user page? If you look at why it was initially deleted by Drmies, there was no mention that there was too much on my user page, just that I was using it to advance my own career? All I'm saying here is that it wasn't fair and now it seems like I'm being piled on for an honest mistake.--Codywarren08 (talk) 23:18, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Please acknowledge that you've saved the material somewhere besides Wikipedia. OhNo itsJamie Talk 23:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is. Would love to, again, know why no one just told me I had too much on my personal user page in the first place, but thank you for your time.--Codywarren08 (talk) 23:22, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Codywarren08, here's the thing. You've been here for forever, using this website for your own purposes, blissfully unaware of any of our rules and regulations, even though the two deletion discussions and the comments by Tokyogirl79, now User:ReaderofthePack should have made it clear that you had misconceptions--and then you go and complain, when the consequences of your abusing those policies and guidelines finally become clear to you, that you were not sufficiently made aware of these policies and guidelines. And here we are, offering you a chance to save all the stuff you put on Wikipedia's servers, and you're still yelling at us? Drmies (talk) 01:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ignorantia juris non excusat. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 01:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I just would have appreciated a “user page too long” message, not an insulting accusation. I hadn’t done anything with any public Wikipedia pages about myself since 2014, which was 8 years ago. That’s all it’s about. If you had of just said at the start my user page was too long, I would have understood and narrowed it down Drmies. I just don’t understand why you get other mods to come here to bully and ridicule me and then say on your own talk page that I’m being childish.—Codywarren08 (talk) 13:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No one is ridiculing you. You are going to need thicker skin to work in a collaborative environment.  They were patient enough to wait to let you save your info, and explained it.  You might not like it, you might feel embarassed, hell I don't know what you feel, but you aren't being ridiculed nor bullied, you're being informed. It's ok to make mistakes.  It's ok to point them out.  Just roll with it, it isn't a big deal. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 16:25, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, this kind of stuff, "Hi, this is my user page that I'm apparently not allowed to use", which is passive-aggressive and completely untrue, that puts the icing on the cake. You're either here to improve our encyclopedia, or you're WP:NOTHERE. Drmies (talk) 16:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just be more professional in the future Drmies instead of ridiculing me with other mods (OhNo itsJamie ) on your talk page. Thank you.--Codywarren08 (talk) 20:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not ridiculing you: I was merely saying that you weren't acting like an adult. You weren't. My advice to you is to not look for insults if you're already dead-set on seeing them, and the more you ping me (and the less you actually contribute to the project) the worse it's going to look for you. And feel free to not ping me: you're just dragging this out. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You know I was talking about the “Abyssal Sanctuary is going to be the name of my death metal band, and Remnants of the Damned will be our first demo.” Stop gaslighting me by pretending you aren’t making fun of me. You keep returning here when you genuinely don’t need to. You made your point, you don’t need to make fun of me with other mods on your talk page in the meantime Drmies. —Codywarren08 (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ha, so if I was making fun of anything it was about a set of words, not about you. If you don't want me to return here, stop fucking pinging me. Drmies (talk) 01:32, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Completely unacceptable and gaslighting behaviour Drmies. Thank you for admitting I was right. Have a nice night. —Codywarren08 (talk) 01:38, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

January 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I haven't been back since my earlier posts back in 2014, so I wasn't aware of the very long userpage you'd been cultivating. While you've made some edits, much of your editing seems to have been you using your userpage as a defacto website/blog. Wikipedia is WP:NOTABLOG or a place for you to add random stuff - your userpage should overall only cover you as it applies to editing Wikipedia. Some basic information about yourself in general is fine, but a list of your Christmas Blu-Rays is not. Your interaction with also smacks of WP:BADFAITH and I don't see where you're really taking in what he's been saying. (WP:IDHT) He was honestly a lot kinder to you than some of the other admins might have been - many would have blocked you outright for your userpage itself. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There's also the autobiography you wrote on yourself, as well as a history of trying to create similar pages. Creating autobiographies is highly discouraged, as it's easy to take a rejection or deletion personally. It's also harder to judge notability as most people aren't going to be neutral and non-partial towards themselves. I see that the deleted draft had issues with notability and tone, which likely also contributed towards its deletion. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:52, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi ReaderofthePack, you're bringing up things that happened 8 years ago. I have contributed to Wikipedia over the years, most noticeably the List of Hallmark Channel Original Movies page, where I sorted out the mess that pages used to be and made it the way it is today with its design, with all of the tables and information including ratings, releases and more. So no, I didn't only make edits to my user page, or minimal edits to Wikipedia itself, so that's a lie being told in order to justify siding with a Wikipedia moderator who I have since found out has a history of being abusive. A simple google search of his username made me aware of this, so if you want to encourage his gaslighting and bullying behaviour, then I genuinely don't care. Again, you seem to want to overlook his ridiculing of me on his talk page and his general bullying behaviour, whatever, I've stopped caring. I've been cyberbullied before and I'm sure it will happen again. What is my history of trying to create similar pages? We have already covered 2014 and my user page. What else? Please show me the evidence. Because honestly, it sounds like you're bringing up stuff that happened 8 years ago (!!!! eight !!!!) and not letting it go. A user page is harmless and I have apologised for letting it get too long. Drmies' foul language and abusive behaviour is unacceptable and it's also very disappointing to see you turn a blind eye to that. But it's fine. Continue holding on to things I did 8 years ago if that makes you feel better.--Codywarren08 (talk) 21:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey: I didn't fixate on something that you did 8 years ago. I focused on what you were doing until yesterday. And now you're telling me you're going around browsing the internet to dig up dirt, shit that others have said about me? Oh please tell me about how I'm supposedly paid by Intel. Is that what you found? Did you know that the asshole that invented that contacted my employer, and tried to get me fired? That I ended up having to explain this to HR? You go try to explain something like that. And you want to talk about mental health, when you're actively contributing to smirching my reputation? Please. User:Dennis Brown, please don't ping me from this talk page anymore, unless it's to tell me that the editor is apologizing. Drmies (talk) 23:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going to review, but I think I will take a pass. Drmies, "Foul mouth"?  Need a diff for that.  I probably cuss more than most admin, haven't seen much of that from him, except to pepper a phrase every now and then.  We aren't WP:CENSORED, by the way, so cursing (by itself) isn't against policy.  Using any words that is a personal attack is, but not cursing.  Btw, I just found an edit someone did 15 years ago that I have to RevDel (hide from public).  Very offensive.  So just because something was a long time ago doesn't mean we don't delete it or whatnot.   is the one that blocked you, not, so I suggest you first understand the reason, and discuss it with her, even before you appeal.  From experience, I can tell you that 99% of the appeals that start with "I believe I have been unfairly blocked." get denied.  So thicken your skin a bit, discuss with her if you like (I recommend) and lets work through this if we can.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 22:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I would love to work through this Dennis Brown honestly because this has had such a knock on my mental health this past week. Obviously I feel ganged up on and ignored when I've brought up my contributions to the site, and yet everyone wants to fixate on a mistake I made on this website 8 years ago, only for people to say I have barely made any contributions on this site when my contributions page clearly indicates otherwise. It genuinely does feel unfair that something that happened 8 years ago, when I was a lot younger, is being used against me, and I don't understand why my hundreds of contributions in the eight years since has been ignored to fit this narrative of me being only here to "further my career", which is so not true! I love Wikipedia, it's always been a dream of mine to have a page on Wikipedia, and I just let my user page get too long. That was the issue but focus was being put on my mistake from 2014. I felt judged and ridiculed on some of the moderator's talk pages, as I have mentioned, and again that feels unfair. All I ask is for some impartiality and fairness when deciding to outright block me from editing, especially when the block is saying that I'm not here to contribute to Wikipedia, when that really is not true.--Codywarren08 (talk) 22:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Let me state a couple of problems, some that involve you and some that don't. Wikipedia is flooded with wannabe notable people (not you) that are trying to make articles on themselves for being rappers, and "successful tech entrepreneurs" and such.  Absolutely flooded with it.  It takes a lot of time for admin.  As an admin, after I've seen my 30th this week (and 30 a week, every week, every week before that), you get numb to it, and you just block anyone that is doing similar stuff.  You are doing similar stuff.  Similar enough at least, considering the user page which lasted years, and the autobiographical sandbox, etc. (yes admin can see deleted stuff).  Was it completely fair to block you?  I don't know, I've only looked at a few dozen diffs.  Can I understand why she blocked you?  Yes.  Have you ever played the game "Whack a Mole" at a fair or festival before?  For us, it kind feels like that.  We just want to write articles, too, but so much of our time is spent dealing with those guys.  So we have become quite efficient at dispensing with them.


 * So the question for me is simple: Is this an editor that can participate here and help us out and stay out of trouble?  Maybe.  What I suggest is rewriting your appeal completely.  Me, I would say something like




 * Now, don't say anything that isn't true (we know when your lying ;) and for god's sake don't copy this, I'm saying that you need to humble up a bit and realize that she didn't block you because she is a monster and that likes blocking young men. Actually, she's quite sweet.  Funny thing, the biggest smartass/jerk on this page is probably me, but I'm trying to help you understand more than "how to get unblocked", I'm trying to get you to understand that she wouldn't have blocked you unless you pushed the right buttons that made it APPEAR you were just a spammer/autobiographical/time-waster person, and yes, I understand why she blocked you.  If you want to get unblocked, you don't have to pretend you're sorry for something you aren't sorry for, you have acknowledge the reasons for the block, demonstrate why the block isn't needed, give us an idea what you want to do, and tell us what you will no longer do.  And be sincere.  We need to believe you really want to just edit articles and not write articles on yourself.


 * Sorry to be so long winded, but I want to understand a bit about how and why this system is the way it is, perhaps because I'm hopeful you will get unblocked, and you will edit in an acceptable and helpful fashion. And let me warn you this: You are going to be judged, and people are going to talk shit to you, and Wikipedia is absolutely unfair. In every possible way.  Just like real life.  I'm going to take my leave, and let you, Reader, the reviewing admin all sort the rest.  I've said enough.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:10, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for wanting to help and I've taken your feedback on board Dennis Brown. Obviously I've let my emotions get the better of me, and it's unfair of me to speak of my mental health issues with people who don't know about them. I'm sure ReaderofthePack is a nice person but I would love to stop being judged for a mistake I made eight years ago, and hope that my contributions to Wikipedia since then will be enough to show that I'm not here to write pages about myself, as previously thought. Thank you for taking the time to help.--Codywarren08 (talk) 23:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Coming back just to say, you do kind of owe an apology or two, once you clear your head. Not to me of course.  Half the people at Wikipedia have mental health issues.  You don't know that I do or don't.  Because of that, it isn't ever accepted as justification here. I suggest removing the appeal for a couple of days and clear your head, and start over.  Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I haven't been able to be back on until now, but here's my thoughts on the other edits: your edits on other articles have honestly been fewer and far between. Your last edit to an article was in April 2020, however since that time you've made 1000+ edits (almost but not quite 2000 - I got this figure by eyeballing your deleted edits) in your userspace that were essentially blog and other WP:NOTWEBHOST edits. So that's over a year of you doing nothing but cultivating non-beneficial edits and just using Wikipedia in ways that it's not meant to be used. That's not including the edits that you made prior to your last mainspace edit. If we include those, that's about 3000+ edits of you just using your userspace as a webhost. These edits seemed to really start becoming more frequent and heavy the year after the article you wrote on yourself was deleted.
 * To be blunt, your main purpose for being here seems to have been to write about yourself - first as an attempt to have a live article and then to use your userspace to the same end. At best this is you using Wikipedia as a webhost and at worst it's a way of circumventing the article deletion by making a defacto "article" in your userspace. If you'd been more active then holding up the other edits would hold more water, but by large editing Wikipedia seems to have been a distant afterthought. Then on top of that, you were pretty nasty to other users.
 * Now in order to get unblocked you need to essentially understand why you were blocked, which I've laid out here. One of the requirements for an unblock will be that you can't recreate any of the content that was deleted and your userpage needs to be minimal. Some content about yourself as it applies to editing is fine, but what you had previously wasn't. It would also be good to detail what you plan on doing once you're unblocked - what do you plan on doing? It would also be good to get a refresher on some of the editing guidelines as well, since Wikipedia guidelines do change occasionally. Usually it's in smaller increments but it's those small changes that can really get you, depending on what they are. We need reassurance that you're not just here to use Wikipedia as a webhost or write about yourself. The apologies would be good as well, but more than that we need to know that you understand that you need to be calm when interacting with other edits and WP:AGF as much as possible. Keep in mind that it's hard to read inflections and you can't read body language at all, so sometimes something may come across wrong (either from them or you) without it meaning to sound bad. Goodness knows I've had that happen to and by me on occasion before as far as online writing goes in general. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  14:25, 15 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I do promise to not use my user page as a blog, or to even do any kind of articles about myself. I do acknowledge and apologise for allowing my user page to get far too long, it definitely got out of hand and I do understand why I was blocked. In the future I would like to try my hand at editing pages that need major updates, like I did with the Hallmark Original Movies page, as before it was completely unreadable and poorly sourced. I am pretty knowledgeable in the book industry now after years of experience in bookselling and working with publishers, so I would like to maybe focus on the book side of things on Wikipedia (though obviously not anything to do with my own lol). I do stand by the fact that I, again, am being ignored when I bring up the bullying and ridiculing on other people's user pages, and I don't expect an apology from anyone even though one would be nice. I am willing to move on from that. I do apologise for the way I came across and for defending myself in a way that might have appeared nasty to other people.--Codywarren08 (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It wasn't that it was too long, but rather that it was about content that had nothing to do with Wikipedia. For example, there's no reason for there to be information about what movies you have in your collection or a list of what you've written. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  20:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Okay, again I apologise for that, and I'm unsure of where to go from here  (｡◕‿◕｡) . I have acknowledged I made a mistake with my user page and I am sorry.--Codywarren08 (talk) 20:33, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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