User talk:Coffeebean21

I believe I should put my draft on a subpage, but am unclear how to do this. I found my user page but I know I'll need feedback before attempting to post. I've tried reading the instructions but I'm afraid it's just not making sense to me. Coffeebean21 (talk) 18:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * See below for a general intro, including the link to 'play' by making a test page. For more help, you can either;


 * Leave a message on my own talk page;
 * Use a - please create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put , and ask your question - remember to 'sign' your name by putting ~ at the end;
 * Talk to us live, with this or this.


 * Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  18:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome and introduction
Hi, Coffeebean21. This is NOT some automated message...it's from a real person. You can talk to me right now. Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed you've just joined, and wanted to give you a few tips to get you started. If you have any questions, please talk to us. The tips below should help you to get started. Best of luck!  Chzz  ►  18:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

COI
With regards to COI, please read the business FAQ, and best practices, which has advice on how to proceed. In short: don't create a live article; instead, make one in your user area, make sure it's neutral and has great reliable sources for all the facts, then ask someone to look at it - either ask me, or you could submit it in articles for creation. Note that the references are the important, critical thing. You have to show the notability by providing the facts given in independent newspaper/magazine/book articles about the company. Best of luck,  Chzz  ►  19:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. I just had a quick look at what you've written so far, and it definitely would fail the notability guideline. In order to have an article on Wikipedia, the subject must meet the notability guidelines. The simplest, most important one is the general notability guideline, which says a subject needs significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That carefully-worded phrase explains quite a lot;


 * Significant coverage - such as, a number of news articles about the article topic - not passing mentions


 * Reliable sources - well, this is defined in some detail in WP:RS, but the essence of it is - something that is generally trusted - such as the BBC, CNN, The New York Times. Books are good, too. Blog-sites are rarely reliable.


 * Independent - we don't use primary sources, such as the companys own website, or press releases, or paid-for reviews, or anything like that. We want secondary coverage - other people independently writing about the subject.


 * In the case of this article, looking on the internet, I am unable to find any appropriate sources, and therefore I think it will be difficult to establish notability. I'm sorry. I suggest that you consider working on some other existing articles - perhaps something of interest. I hope that you will continue to work on WIkipedia, and I assure you that I will help in any way I can.  Chzz  ►  19:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

 Chzz  ►  10:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)