User talk:Coinsguy

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You can find me at my user page or talk page for any questions. Happy editing, and we'll see ya 'round. Joe I 13:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Definition of linkspam
I'm not really passing judgement one way or another, but I noticed previous insertions of that link had been reverted by previous editors. Given that precedent, it seemed safe to revert and discuss just in case. Please have a read of WP:Spam and once you've read it, if you still feel the link adds value to the article, I won't oppose its re-insertion. Thanks for understanding.--chris.lawson 00:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Chris

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to make my case. I did previously put the link in there but I was not aware as to why it was removed. I am new to wikipedia and just now becoming familiar with how to use it.

I looked at the information you referred to. Apparently there are two types of wikispam, defined as follows:

1) Advertisements masquerading as articles. 2) Wide-scale external link spamming.

Since we are referring to only a single external link, type 2 is not relevant, leaving type 1; advertisements masquerading as articles. Articles considered advertisements include those that are solicitations for a business, product or service, or are public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual. Wikispam articles are usually noted for sales-oriented language and external links to a commercial website.

The articles on our website do not fit under this definition either.

Are they solicitations for a business? No, the articles themselves are exactly as they are advertised, genuine articles written by collectors.

Are they solicitations for products or services? No, they are not. The articles themselves make no solicitation of any kind.

Are they public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual? Again, no, they are not. They are exactly as they are advertised, genuine articles written by collectors.

Do the articles contain sales oriented language? No, they do not.

Is the external link to a commercial website? No, it is not.

So what about the site makes one think it is a spam site rather than what it claims to be, a Coin Collector's Library of articles written by collectors. Its a brand new website and will grow and evolve over time as I am able to enhance it and increase its value, adding more articles and useful links in order to grow it to a truly valuable website with greatly increased content.

The only thing that seems to make anyone think it is a spam site is the google ads on it. Does having google ads make it evil or undesirable? If so, why?

I don't believe it does. In fact, I feel the ads enhance the value of the site by providing pertinent links to other resources based on the content of the article being read. Google can do a far better job of locating links of value for the reader than I can myself by scanning the internet. What does it matter if said link is a simple text link or a text ad. Is not the same purpose served?

Do I get any revenue from the links? Well yes, I do but let's be honest here, does anyone really think I am going to earn any significant revenue from the links? Just how many people are going to select that link from wikipedia, go to my website, read an article and click on an ad? Maybe 4 or 5 a week? So I earn a whole dollar a week from the website. Big deal.

The bottom line is if I were trying to personally gain from the website, I would go about it in a greatly different way. As it is, any revenue gained hardly covers the expense I will incur in creating and maintaining the website.

I am truly trying to give something to the community here. Even so, I will of course bow to the wishes of the community but if those wishes are to deny the link, then all I ask is for each link there be reviewed for wikispam violations as some of the links are blatant commercial websites. Heck, even if my link is accepted they should be reviewed as some should have never have been accepted.

Thank for allowing me to air my opinion.

--Coinsguy 01:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)