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Daily Mail Talk Page
As I explained to you yesterday, I am seeking wider views regarding my edit/article content. I note that you deleted my attempt as "improper". I have made another attempt and hope that it is properly done. Brevity is laudable, but, alas, not always helpful. If not properly done, could you be more specific, so that I can amend it to your satisfaction. With thanks. CN3777 (talk) 09:57, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Kindly do not copy conversations from this page. Single posts of your own - perhaps, but copying any extenced conversation - no. Collect (talk) 12:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Mote that you are now apparently abusing the hospitality of this page, and I request you desist. And do not try reposting "selected material" from this page. Collect (talk) 13:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

FWIW
Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive553  is interesting. I can not understand anyone in 2009 actively promoting the creation of unreferenced BLPs at all. It does explain why WP:BLPPROD was created, though. Collect (talk) 17:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

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GMO RfC
Hello, Collect. I noticed that you made a new section on the RfC page for your most recent comments. I think the rules are that each editor should have all comments in one section, so please let me make a friendly suggestion that you move your newest comments up into the section that you already have. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:05, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The purpose was, in a very lengthy page, to note that a specific proposal had been noticeably altered. Might you suggest a means to do that without the brief mention given?  I would seriously doubt anyone would feel that noting a substantial change was improper - but I am perfectly happy to undo the change and add Proposal 23 or 24 or whatever if that is what is "preferred." . Collect (talk) 21:16, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I guess I wasn't clear, sorry. I didn't mean the proposal, but rather, your user comments as a respondent to the RfC. What I mean is to cut-and-paste from here, to here. You don't need to change anything you said, just move it so that everything is in one place. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Amazingly enough - the result would be that no one would note the changes. Is that a desirable means of discussion? As you note, I removed my name from the notice of changes thus no longer making it a "comment" by me.  Cheers. Collect (talk) 21:27, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I know that it serves no purpose with respect to communication. But the administrative rules are that each editor is allowed one section, 800 words, for everything that he or she wants to say, outside of the proposal itself. Those are the rules. My guess is that if you don't relocate it, an admin will just delete it. It's up to you, but I'm just trying to be helpful. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:31, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If you feel I have used more than 800 words on that page, go to any admin and point out the actual reason for your posts here, where I have bent over backward to explain my reasoning. I suggest that I am no where near 800 words by a few miles.  Warmest regards. Collect (talk) 21:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you are fine for the word count. But it is supposed to be in one section, not two. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, then, it should be in the "proposal 8" section as it is not "comments" per se, or I should simply copy all over to Proposal 23 or 24 or 25 ...?   Meanwhile, why don't you cavil with an editor who is already over 1200 words rather than bug me about notifying people of changes?  Cheers. Collect (talk) 21:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to be helpful. I'm dropping it now. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:46, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Cary Grant born Archibald Alexander Leach; January 18, 1904&amp;nbsp;– November 29, 1986 was a British-

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In case you find interest
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Where to now?
It seems I have failed at the RfC for amending NFCC#8. Where is the forum I can appeal NFCC informal interpretations unsupported by any guidelines or essays?

I have no interest in trying to mechanically flood WP with non-free images as Hammersoft suggested, I have no interest in barring individual editors for capriciously disrupting stamp articles. I only wish to collaboratively arrive at an interpretation which allows use of USPS images with Template:Stamp rationale in conformance with WP:NFCC as an example of the Foundation’s EDP Exemption Doctrine Policy. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:44, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The problem I see is a strange case of "NIH" over at Commons in the first place. The only place where changes can actually occur is "there" and unless you are "one of them", it is hard to get anything done. That said, your likely ally is folks at the Smithsonian who want "Smithsonian images" used on Wikipedia. Folks at Commons seem to accord special categories to such images []  and would be loath to remove such. Collect (talk) 12:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

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Daily Mail and Fascism
The article itself mentions the DM's ties to fascist groups and open support of the Nazis, but you reverted my category edit. Sbrianhicks (talk) 19:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Lord Rothermere pushed for Moseley until there was violence. The categorization would appear to link the newspaper as a newspaper to fascism, which is not the purpose of categorization on Wikipedia. See WP:Categorization for the requirements as to sourcing, and the actual purpose of categories. Collect (talk) 20:17, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Brady
I'm not here to discuss whether the draft scout ranking is worthy of inclusion. I'm just curious to see what the other rankings are. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 18:24, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Almost every sports journalist gave their opinions about ranking - the problem is that it is not of actual encyclopedic value about Brady.Collect (talk) 18:51, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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Biography feedback requested
Your input is requested about an RFC regarding Donald Trump. Here is a link directly to that RFC. The lead of that biography currently says, "Many of his statements in interviews, on Twitter, and at campaign rallies have been controversial." The RFC proposes to insert the words "or false" at the end of that sentence. Thank you in advance for participating. If you have the time, there is a second RFC at that talk page which proposes to instead add the words "or hyperbolic".

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Sic
Hi Collect. The Piggate sic: is it not correct to use it?

We have a quote that looks odd and that editors will likely try to fix over time. Whereas, if we add a sic, problem solved. This indicates that you're correct: no sic, just [correct it]. Yet this Dummies book says sic away. Are you sure of your usage? Bromley86 (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * No. "sic" is used to indicate a misspelling as a rule, and that this misspelling is found in the source.  It is not used as a rule for what is, at most, unusual grammar.   http://www.cjr.org/language_corner/language_corner_080914.php  states: "Using [sic], though, can come off as snarky, giving a sense of “we know better,” at the expense of the original author." In the case at hand, there is no actual "grammatical error" as such to be sicced. Collect (talk) 16:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Fair enough; certainly I often read it as snarky, although more often than not I laugh because I usually see it in the Daily Mail, not known for their own grammar checking. Bromley86 (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

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SMILE!
 Hello Collect, Me-123567-Me has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:42, 14 September 2016 (UTC) Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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Ted Frank
I see someone tried updating my article, and you reverted the changes so that it incorrectly describes my current employer and omits my most significant accomplishments. I appreciate the sensitivity to vandalism, but might someone fix the problems, which have been present for years now, rather than leaving the article in 2011 amber? I literally have over a dozen more notable cases than what's been listed. Many thanks. Feel free to email or telephone me at CEI, as I'm rarely on Wikipedia more than once every couple of months. Theodore H. Frank (talk) 19:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry - the editor seemed not to be aware of sourcing policies, and I was afraid the changes might have been inaccurate. I doubt that adding a dozen cases would fly - but if you name the two most important newer ones, that would likely make sense.  I am glad you are still around for sure. Collect (talk) 20:55, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't work at Manhattan and haven't been a blogger since since 2013, CCAF merged with CEI in 2015. The cases mentioned are exceedingly non notable and not on my top ten. Better more notable coverage that isn't mentioned.


 * http://www.bna.com/ted-frank-lightning-n57982069046/
 * http://www.wsj.com/articles/posner-vs-the-plaintiffs-bar-1471042699
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/us/supreme-court-may-hear-novel-class-action-case.html?_r=0
 * http://fortune.com/2015/12/15/supreme-court-fee-abuses/
 * http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203554104577002190221107960
 * http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324345804578423021106705056
 * http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/08/01/judge-cuts-fees-in-citigroup-settlement-citing-waste-and-inefficiency/#593a79ca3231
 * http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/posner_outlandish_attorney_fees_in_glucosamine_settlement_were_part_of_a_se and http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2014/11/20/judge-tosses-glucosamine-settlement-citing-forbes/#7a09b7106918
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/your-money/a-little-walmart-gift-card-for-you-a-big-payout-for-lawyers.html
 * Big Eighth Circuit win, lots of cites : http://www.litigationdaily.com/id=1202714432688/Eighth-Circuit-Tosses-Cy-Pres-Award-in-Bank-of-America-Case?slreturn=20160727010548 and http://www.reuters.com/article/bankofamerica-cypres-idUSL1N0UN19G20150108
 * It's really unfair to me how badly out of date this article and the CCAF article is and I can't dare edit it. Theodore H. Frank (talk) 05:08, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, new home page and photo. https://cei.org/content/ted-frank Theodore H. Frank (talk) 05:26, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Following up, still in worse shape since you undid the edits. How can I get this article updated to be accurate and adhere to WEIGHT. Theodore H. Frank (talk) 12:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Collect, is your American Politics topic ban still in force? If so you might want to steer clear of this. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 14:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * AFAICT, some IP would likely reports me for doing anything substantive at all, on any page even as remotely connected as this one is.  Might you kindly look into the changes then, please?   Collect (talk) 19:01, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hola
Apropos this, no argumento. Loved the discussion with you though. Lourdes 02:23, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Gracias. Collect (talk) 12:07, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Looking for suggestions
Collect, I was hoping to pick your brains with regards to the best way to handle a content dispute and resolution. The primary discussion is on the auto project page []. I'm trying to decide which method might be most effective in terms of getting other eyes on the topic. I'm considering RfC as well as the NPOV notice board. NPOV is good in that it gets a reasonable amount of traffic but I'm not sure I see this as 100% a NPOV issue (non-NPOV arguments have been put forth). RfC would seem like a good idea but given the conversation is already on the related project page I'm not sure it would work well. Anyway, any suggestions? Thanks. Springee (talk) 03:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a violation of the Canvassing guidelines. Springee's attempts to involve hand-picked editors to help him in a dispute is a part of a larger pattern of disruptive editing. Users who have been inappropriately canvassed generally should avoid getting involved. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that asking moderators what forum might be best suited for a content dispute is canvassing. Springee (talk) 04:13, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Note: Anyone canvassing me for any reason should be aware that I look at every issue with fresh eyes, and my positions on any issue are founded, as best I can, in knowledge and furtherance of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. There is no reason to lecture me on what is, or is not, a violation of WP:CANVASS. is amiss here as much as. I note that appears to have the quite same opinion as I on this. And if I opine on any such topic, it is my own volition entirely. Collect (talk) 09:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Sigh... RfC is about 20:5 against yet we have this... [] and this []Springee (talk) 12:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Sigh (part two)... Dennis removes my talk page comments (see his mass removal of my comments Oct 15th and 16th). I tried restoring my comments but I'm done getting dragged down to that level.  [] Springee (talk) 03:39, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

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Dr. James Watson
You recently deleted content on this page which does not have consensus and your change of one word does not constitute a satisfactory resolution to the reliable sourced citation that is required. Please go to the James Watson talk page to get consensus on your deletion before making changes to the page. Also please do not filibuster as you have done in the past. Thank you very much for your contributions to making the Dr. James Watson page a better one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Landerman56 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I followed the normal procedures, and suggest your comments here are less than helpful. By the way, attacking any editor on their talk page is not tremendously impressive as an m.o. on your part. Collect (talk) 14:22, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

You seem confused. I have thanked you for your attempts to contribute. I have also helpfully pointed out to you your mistakes. If you wish to further discuss this please do so and I will do my best to help as time permits. Landerman56 (talk) 22:41, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have stated that a quote by Watson is better than anyone's opinions about his exact words. You accused me of "filibustering" where it appears that others hold my exact same position.  If you wish to pursue this, use your circular file., please. Collect (talk) 23:22, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem - my dad spent one winter at Lake Muskoka (ca. 1915).   He later said he would not want to live all year there when his toothpaste froze at Christmas ...  Collect (talk) 14:01, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

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Headlines
I've been thinking about Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources/Archive 43 and related discussions today. I still don't think that it can be codified usefully, but I think I'm moving towards greater skepticism, especially for clickbait/online sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I find the same editors still love to use headlines where they agree with their own positions, and yet fail to understand that headlines and "click bait" are precise analogues. The simple fact is that Wikipedia ought to bar use of headlines for any claims other than the fact the headlines exist.    My family had a bunch of newspapermen in it, and I assure you that headlines are not and have never been considered anything more than a tool to get people to read a story. Collect (talk) 14:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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opine request
Hi Collect, when you've the time, can you look over this blog and give me your opinion as to suitability on a biography? It's being heavily used to source Napoleon Hill. Thanks SW3 5DL (talk) 18:56, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * "Matt Novak" is editor of Gizmodo's "Paleofuture" blog, and does not appear to be a "known expert" for any biography on Wikipedia. Sorry. Collect (talk) 20:20, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wanted your opinion because of your work on RSN. I agree, this is not reliable. Appreciate your comments on the talk page. Feel free to continue. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It's made it's way to RSN here. SW3 5DL (talk) 23:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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I don't know if you are around today, but I was wondering what the usual process is over at RSN as I don't use it very often. Is this likely to get decided? Aside from the messy appearance of it, any possibility it will resolve? Also, I'm sending you an email on another topic. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 18:22, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * What about the RSN? Has it gone stale, what with all those green quotes about edits and page breaks? It looks a mess and seems TLDR. SW3 5DL (talk) 00:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The "gamer goal" of some editors is, and has always been, to so lengthen a discussion that no new person will dare to venture in.  And yes, TLDR is a mechanism to further such a goal.  TY. Collect (talk) 14:48, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspected that when I saw the strange reverts Ronz made on the article, and then plastered them all over the RSN. When I inquired as to the purpose and why not make normal diffs of disupted content, which the RSN was not at all about, he said he didn't understand what I was talking about. SW3 5DL (talk) 16:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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I put up an RfC on the Napoleon Hill talk about the Matt Novak source since apparently nothing came of it on the RSN. SW3 5DL (talk) 21:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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Request for Comment: the Onion "incident" in the article of Congressman John Fleming
I would appreciate you weighing in again on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Fleming_(American_politician)#Request_for_Comment:_2017_discussion_on_The_Onion_.22incident..22. Thank you!Tomuchtalk (talk) 15:40, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ArbCom, having heed the evidence from some to which I was not allowed a rebuttal, decided that I can not mention the term "xxxx politics".  In fact, I was chastised and punished for even thinking that calling zzzz a relative of a noted war criminal was wrong as a result. Collect (talk) 17:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Collecting things
This is for your interest in collecting. Since 2003, I've been trying to collect "covers" (stamped envelopes) from every one of the 20 years the USS Rankin was in commission. I've had automatic searches on eBay for all that time (there are a lot of cover collectors there). This helped me a lot in the early years, and I got covers from all but two years. Last week, after 14 years of automated eBay searching, I found a cover from 1947. It cost me $1.99, including postage. Looking for 70-year-old covers from a post office that has only 300 mailers -- a real needle in a haystack! I still have one year to go, 1958. The moral for collectors: Never Give Up! Lou Sander (talk) 15:06, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulations!  Are you mainly finding covers from "navy week" in major ports? All I can find is that in 1958 she was used in the Lebanon landings. You might find a usage from that, I hope. Collect (talk) 17:51, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, but thanks for the suggestion. They are covers cancelled by the Post Office aboard the ship. There seem to be people who like these things. I was an officer aboard the Rankin from 1961-1963. I do their website, Wikipedia article, etc. I'm thinking that the most likely place for me to find the 1958 cover is in the love letters from a shipmate at the time, or from one of these that worked its way into the world of collectors. Lou Sander (talk) 18:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * At one point I had a collection of ship covers from the 1940s - somewhere I still have photos of the USS Arizona before Pearl Harbor etc. A lot got thrown out by my helpful brother a long time ago. Ah well.  At least I still know a bit about them and the "Universal Ship Cancel Society". https://www.uscs.org/  Collect (talk) 22:28, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, that USCS lead is the best lead I've ever gotten on this! Imagine finding an actual ship cover collector! I'm not really one of those, but when I was a kid, my father collected plate blocks for me, and I continued the collection for a few years. It became dormant and I lost it in my thirties, to a flooded basement. In the early days of The USS Rankin Association, we had very little in the way of ship's history, memorabilia, etc. It occurred to me that we might develop a collection of covers, without spending very much money. I started the collection, but nobody seems to care very much about it. Once I get my 1958 cover, maybe they'll take notice. In the meantime, collecting them is an interesting, but back-burner, activity. Lou Sander (talk) 22:44, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * For many years, I ran the CompuServe Collectibles Forums - not making millions the way some folks try, but learning as much as I could about just about every collectible under the sun. I suspect that others who served on the Rankin will smile as they see some of the covers you manage to track down. Collect (talk) 00:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * One that I found on eBay was from a letter I had sent myself to one of our members, 25 years after the ship had been sunk. Of course they billed it as authentic. Lou Sander (talk) 01:47, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That "authenticity" no doubt brought you no end of reef. (ducking). Collect (talk) 13:14, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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BLP issue re Kevin_Kiely_(poet)
I seek your guidance in a BLP issue. They came to my attention via an email to Wikimedia OTRS ticket:2017033010019413.

That email expressed two concerns — one, the placement of the word "Nazi" in the opening sentence, which may have been resolved (Talk page discussion) and two, an issue about the inclusion of some strongly worded comments which I'll explain here.

The subject wrote a review of a book of poetry published by President Michael D Higgins. That review was described as scathing and, presumably, triggered some backlash. The article includes the following:


 * The leading Irish poet Paul Durcan, as quoted by The Irish Central, defended Michael D. Higgins, who, in his view, "has an absolute commitment to the spirit of poetry." Durcan also said that "Kiely had no
 * competence to talk or write about poetry at any level. All of us in the poetic community know that. Since the 1980s he has been writing rubbish about poetry.”

The statement appears to be adequately sourced: Irish Central

The subject feels that the statement is defamatory. While I am not a lawyer, and my opinion on this matter counts for close to nothing, that claim doesn't seem obvious to me. However, it occurs to me that if that claim is valid, the proper response is to take it up with the newspaper who published it or the individual who said it, or both. If it is found to be defamatory, and that results in either an apology or retraction or some other response, we could then either include the reaction or determine that it should not be included at all.

However, even if not rising to the legal definition of defamatory, it is clearly negative. My understanding of BLP policy is that we should be exceedingly careful with negative comments even if properly sourced. We need to adhere to the neutral point of view and ensure that such comments do not fail our wp:weight policy. If there is any valid reason for removal (other than the unlikely event that the original publication withdraws the statement) I think it would be under this policy, and frankly I do not see this as a perfectly black-and-white case. I would like your opinion on how to proceed including the possibility that I should post this on the article talk page or some noticeboard and invite more responses.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  19:53, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I read a bit of the article and its sources - the bit where some editors link Kiely to Nazism for daring to write a book about a person who was labelled a Nazi is, of course, classic "guilt by association" type argumentation.
 * In the example you give here about Durcan, I am concerned that he is labeled the single "leading Irish poet" - as that is clearly an opinion issue at best. Opinions should only be used and cited as such.  That would make our lives a great deal simpler. As far as I can tell, Durcan is not accorded such deity as a general rule, thus his opinion is not all that important, which would be my primary argument that it not be included.  Clearly the opinions of others should get equal weight if we decide to include them in a biography.
 * I would suggest that the question be posed as to whether Durcan is so specifically preeminent in the field as to make his opinion of unique importance in a biography. The evidence I found indicates that he was rather upset at Kiely  attacking Higgins as to make his opinion of moot value in the BLP on Kiely at most.  Does this accord with your position? Collect (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I will remove it, although I expect some pushback.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  22:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

AfD
Well said. I couldn't agree with you more. SW3 5DL (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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