User talk:Colonel Warden/Archive 1

Abstract nonsense
Thanks for your comment. I think I did more than most people participating in this discussion to improve the actual article. Some sources were mentioned at the deletion page discussion, please try to include them at abstract nonsense when you get a chance. Katzmik (talk) 16:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I missed the AFD discussion but have added a generalised source search to the article's talk page. Colonel Warden (talk) 16:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Aslan's How
Just so you are aware, I have warned the user "Pcap" regarding his/her response to you re: the books you cited on the AFD for Aslan's How. which I felt was a WP:FAITH violation. 23skidoo (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your interest in the matter. I shall respond in more detail at the AFD. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Asshole
i see ya tried ta get tha page of ASSHOLE delered there! no luck ! ha ha ya fuckin chancer! ya jumped the fence there baby! 86.43.213.54 (talk) 02:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You are well informed as I had quite forgotten and that article's talk page did not properly link to the discussion. I have corrected this and will also add to the article itself.  Colonel Warden (talk) 10:21, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Ayurveda
May I ask about the rationale behind this edit? JSR (talk) 07:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You do not seem to have consensus for a large removal and so should discuss the matter on the article's talk page rather than repeating your edit. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The removal was mostly unsourced stuff and replacing of sourced material with some of the best citations available. I worked hard on the draft; Read it when you find time and compare it with this version. Please let me know what you think on your talk page afterward. Good day JSR (talk) 07:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I looked at the ledes when comparing both versions and your version seemed too sparse for such a major topic. In any case, you need to prepare the ground for such a major update by discussion on the talk page.  Colonel Warden (talk) 07:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Nicely said, Will try and improve later. Also will try and reach consensus. Thanks. JSR (talk) 08:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Beating up
The article has been reduced to a disambig page, please renew your comments BMW  (drive)  19:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I would like to draw your attention to this AfD discussion I have just started. I am leaving this message here as you were involved in the previous discussion about this page which ended just over a week ago. I realise that this renomination is not within the normal acceptable time frame and I have outlined my reasoning for the exception on the discussion page. Regards, Guest9999 (talk) 19:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Cat names
Hello! I was able to source an article under discussion if you could perhaps reconsider there? Best, --A NobodyMy talk 16:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, some good work has been done and so I have amended my opinion. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thank you! :)  Sincerley, --A NobodyMy talk 18:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Davidruben Rfc
May I ask for a favor to certify at that you tried to resolve dispute with DavidRuben? Please sign at Users certifying the basis for this dispute. Of course please feel free to comment or support. Thank you Paul Gene (talk) 03:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've confirmed as requested. I'm not sure there's more to say since the issue seems clear but I'll keep watching the related threads. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Depression
At depression you have stated that you oppose its nomination. I do not know if you have taken part in any other FA candidacy; but since the problems you say can be fixed I thought that you migth not know that you can 'comment and wait some time to see if the problems are fixed; and only then give your oppose or support vote It would also be of much use if you specifically said which sections or sentences had the problems you see.With this I do not want in any case to change your vote but only working on good faith presumption to give you an option that I am not sure if you knew. Best regards.--Garrondo (talk) 11:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no previous experience of this process but made some comments in some other portion of the process earlier. One of those - concerning the map - does not seem to have been addressed.  I don't have much time for this but, generally, my impression is that the article still has significant work to be done and so is not ready for the FA stamp. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, best regards


 * Reading up on the process at WP:FAC, I gather that substantive objections are usually accompanied by Oppose or Object and that they are stricken out as and when they are satisfied. I'll flesh out my list of specifics when time permits but note that the following editor has now touched on several points which I had in mind and I find his views to be generally in accordance with mine.  I'm still not quite sure why he chooses to summarise his points as Comment rather than Object but suppose that the difference is mainly a nicety. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:41, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Who do you mean with the following editor? Regarding oppose/comment: comment is far more common right now, and specially when actions are not too difficult to follow; since it transmits the sense that you have not decided your vote yet and that it depends on actions taken. That list would be most welcomed; so as to ease improvement. Best regards.--Garrondo (talk) 14:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I also have to add that Casliber has made some efforts to reduce jargon, and if you give specific point where it appears I am sure he will try to improve it even more.--Garrondo (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Major depressive disorder. Like him, I was hoping to avoid being sucked into a detailed editing back-and-forth.  I had supposed that the process was at a higher level since such detailed and intensive editing work seems to belong on the talk page for the article.  But many hands make light work, so I'll keep an eye on developments.  Colonel Warden (talk) 14:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Ditchkins
I was listening to this year's Dwight H. Terry Lectureship from Yale University (Terry Eagleton's]) and I kept hearing this name what I thought, to me, was a new one. It turns out its a hybrid of Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. A google search turns up eight (good?) hits: Ditchkins. What would be your view on an article on Ditchkins? --Firefly322 (talk) 22:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Your sources indicate that only Eagleton uses this and so it might be worth a mention in our article about him. I doubt that there's enough material for a separate article - just a redirect would do. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you're right. thanks.--Firefly322 (talk) 01:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * One other thing, Yale professor (Dennis Turner did so) also uses the term. Does that make it notable enough perhaps? --Firefly322 (talk) 04:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm tolerant of any good faith article but the chances of such an article surviving AFD seem small currently. I suggest keeping your eyes open for more references and coming back when you see a good source to base the article upon. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Dragonette reporting for duty
I want to join the ranks of people who care about content creation and would rather take 30 seconds to do a google search and 5 minutes to add a ref and text, than drop a turd-like textbox (on articles/content that the fookers don't even know/care about.) I might give the dragon club a bad name as I tend to act up a bit, especially with Tanqueray in my belly. TCO (talk) 01:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I have replied at your user page. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Dublin streets
Hi - you wrote: FYI, I have proposed deletion of this redirect...

Heh. Good luck. last time this redirect was proposed for deletion it was kept - even though I (as writer of the essay) said I had no objection to its deletion!. Grutness...wha?  22:50, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Could you check Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clyde Road? DGG (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of your multi-pronged assault on my commonsense policy. --Balloholic (talk) 16:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Exchange of women
Thank you for pointing out the improvements in the article. I would like you to know, though, that I never thought it was a weak article: I thought it was a bad article, worthy of deletion. I do understand the WP policy, and I see an editor's job in AfD discussions, if the article in question has problems, as having to weigh whether something is a weak article that needs improvement or a bad article (for a variety of reasons, of course) that needs to be deleted. You see, I don't think that a good title/topic is enough, and some contributors, and I sense this in this particular article, churn out less-than-average articles leaving it to other editors to clean it up. You have rewritten significant chunks of the article, and I applaud you for doing so--you have probably saved it. I do think the topic is worthwhile, but I also think it should have stayed in the sandbox a bit longer. If all contributors paid as much attention as you do, our AfD discussions would be a lot shorter. Thanks again, and all the best, Drmies (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Gary A. Kowalski
This is an attack on a good faith editor and his actions. Please consider retracting the statement. Per previous warnings about your behavior, you should tread carefully. Orange Marlin Talk• Contributions 18:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The point of my comment was to advise User:Firefly322 that he need not worry about making a comment since the AFD of his article was unlikely to be successful. My prediction proved correct since the nominator soon withdrew his nomination.  I commend User:Bongomatic for his forbearance. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * At least three of us read it differently. Toddst1 (talk) 23:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Guacamole
I have undone one of your recent edits to guacamole per WP:crystal: Toddst1 (talk) 23:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

There was no OR since the material was well-sourced but I agree that we should avoid speculative content and will rewrite to address this. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Please seek consensus at talk:pea and talk:guacamole before continuing to re-insert material into Guacamole. Your unilateral editing and ignoring talk pages is not constructive at all. Toddst1 (talk) 13:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Hell
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Toddst1 (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (Interposting) I've reviewed the Hell edit history. 2 reverts per WP:3RR is not an edit war. --Firefly322 (talk) 02:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * When using the undo function it is both courteous and desirable to leave enhanced edit summaries as to why you are undoing a particluar edit, unless it is simple vandalism. I'd urge you to do this in the future rather than blindly revert, as the above warning is indicative of what may occur without such information. Pedro : Chat  21:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (Interposting) There was no edit war. Going along with this so called "warning", which is actually either a mistake or a dishonest comment, does no favor for the wikipedia project. I would advise Pedro to disengage from such moral hazards in the future. --Firefly322 (talk) 02:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit summaries are not to be used to engage in discussion per Help:Edit summary as this is the function of talk pages. Please see Talk:Hell for the corresponding discussion which I started upon the editing matter there.  As for the redundant warning above, this appears to be a reaction to Articles for deletion/Happy Computers which would be a breach of WP:POINT, WP:STALK and WP:HARASS. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, edit summaries are not for discussion. They are to summarise the edit. When reverting in a content dispute simply using undo with no explanation at all other than the default can be counter productive. The point that Firefly appears to be missing is that I agree the above warning was incorrect, however if you had used a more detailed description in your reverts then it is more likely that it would not have been put here in the first place. Pedro : Chat  08:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Pedro, there may be many points that I am missing here. All the same, per Civility you should be offering Colonel Warden an apology instead you continue to engaged in a dialogue that Colonel Warden has identified as WP:HARASSment. --Firefly322 (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you'll find, Firefly, that Colonel Warden made the harrasment reference to Toddst1. I'm so pleased you acknowledge there are points you are missing. You are correct in this. I have done nothing but point out why the template may have been added, and that I believe it was added in error. Pedro : Chat  12:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we can all agree that the original warning is very suspicious indeed and not justified, that it's best to use explanatory edit summaries at all times, that editors are free to decide it's too much hassle, and that it's not very polite to get into a fight over a misunderstanding on another editor's talk page. --Hans Adler (talk) 12:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well said, and apologies to Colonel Warden for carrying this out on his talk. Pedro : Chat  13:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Adler's comment was possibly acceptable until "not very polite to get into a fight over a misunderstanding on another editor's talk page," where upon the commentary becomes errant nonsense sort of value judgement that all too common. Pedro's comment engages in another moral hazard. Sigh. --Firefly322 (talk) 00:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Prominent_inclusionists
RE: Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_17

Many thanks for your wonderful recommendations of "models of intelligent and discriminating inclusionism". Introducing me to DGG was a god send. He is really incredible. But I must say, after further study of the notability guidelines and the condescending response I got on this post, calling the other recommendation an inclusionist, is like calling Jesus Christ a Buddhist.

Thanks again and happy new year. travb (talk) 11:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You asked for inclusionists who were influential on policy and Uncle G fits that description well IMO. Of course, he is not an extreme inclusionist - hence my use of the word discriminating.  But if you observe his contributions to this recent AFD, for example, they compare well with the rest.  Another editor who may fit your requirements is User:David Gerard. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the other name, you are truly a wealth on information--best wishes! travb (talk) 05:26, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Being outnumbered
Sometimes it seems like you, Pixel, and A Nobody are the only ones out there trying to actively support the inclusionist viewpoint, while there are maybe a dozen deletionist or exclusionist-leaning editors, and I have to applaud you for that! I've seen you all mocked for sharing your viewpoints, and I know I don't have the heart to take that over and over, so I have stayed out of the policy talk pages. Like I said in my statement, I feel this has a lot to do with the frustration that Pixelface and others likely feel. Like me, I think most supporters of fiction have things to do so we prefer to be out there actually editing the articles. Many deletionists and exclusionists don't really have much to work on except deletions, so that frees up a lot of time to work on thing like policies. That's just the way it is, unfortunately; I'm sure you might feel like you're in the extreme minority viewpoint sometimes, but I doubt that would hold up to be true if all of WP's regular editors were to be polled. I'm sure that most deletionists are vocal and active, while many inclusionists may be neither. I wish there were a better way that we could all work with the moderates (I think I've seen Randomran for example say he would like to side with inclusionists more than deletionists, if only there were more compelling arguments on how to accomplish that). One thing to do would be to strengthen the first two prongs on the three-prong WP:FICT test, under which you can see certain editors really bristling that they are even present. For a long time, prong #3 was seen as the only test for fiction (and thus, not really any different than the GNG), and by some editors it's the only one worth examining, but if the first two can be better fleshed out and strengthened, we will make some serious headway with the moderates. Well hey, good luck! BOZ (talk) 16:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind words. These troubles are just growing pains, I suppose, and will pass.  In the meantime, we might take courage from characters such as Galahad:


 * ''My good blade carves the casques of men,
 * ''My tough lance thrusteth sure,
 * ''My strength is as the strength of ten,
 * ''Because my heart is pure.

And, as a practical matter, the key to success is mastery of the search for our Grail: good sources. If you should ever need a hand in this, feel free to ask. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Anything we can do for this one? BOZ (talk) 23:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The best search keywords in that case seem to be the names of the places. I looked at a couple.  The first, Trans-Carpathia, is actually a real place while the second, Trucial Abysmia only seems to show up on fan sites.  Anyway, look at the article's talk page where you can see how to add links to more places.  Focus upon the news and books links which is where you will find the best sources.  It doesn't look too promising currently but it is often quite surprising what turns up when you really look. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank you for the kind words as well and Happy New Year! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 03:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. :) BOZ (talk) 04:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Got anything for Confederation of Planes and Planets? BOZ (talk) 19:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Indo-Aryan loanwords in Tamil
Your thoughts on current (modified) article would be appreciated. Thanks ­ Kris (talk) 23:03, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I took a look but I don't know enough of these languages or phonetics to be able to make much of it. The AFD won't close for 5 days or so so I'll take another look before then and withdraw if it seems appropriate. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Inflation
You seem to have walked into the middle of our little edit dispute over at inflation, so I thought I should give you a heads up about what's going on.

Inflation is watched over by several Econ wikiproject members. Many of us have PhDs in economics and are in academia. We're trying to improve the econ articles so that they are at least undergrad text book quality, but you'ld be surprised how many people we have to fight over basic facts about economics.

Pennyseven showed up about a week ago, and has editing the Inflation page intensively and exclusively. He's been making some strange additions that all work back to a particular POV - that accounting values need to be corrected for inflation otherwise BAD THINGS HAPPEN. This POV has been pushed before, I could point you to some conversations on my talk page, and some earlier disputes on the Inflation page, but here's something from another econ wikiproject member on the inflation talk page that sums up our reservations.

"I'll be upfront on this: I believe Pennyseven is yet another sockpuppet of Nicolaas Smith, who is indefinitely blocked and has a long record of attacks and disruptive editing. (AKA Kjkkjjk or whatever, X-1111, Pacluc, etc ad nauseum). The obsession is to push this point, and his (applied for patent) RealValueAccounting and text (i.e. conflict of interest)."

Radeksz ‎has been working with the wikiproject for some time. He's extremely knowledgeable and is a good editor that does good work. He usually engages on the talk page before making changes. Its just that we're getting tired constantly fighting POV pushers, and so we get a bit brusque when another one shows up.

lk (talk) 14:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Adjusting nominal values to allow for inflation is standard practise in many fields and it seems appropriate that this article should say something about this. No doubt the devil is in the details and I shall study them more closely. More anon. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

User:PennySeven showed up about 10 days ago, and has been impolite to quite a few editors. We gave him leeway cause we didn't want to bite the newbie. But a pattern has emerged. Pennyseven is a WP:SPA that edits only the Inflation article, and consistently pushes only one point, that inflation degrades accounting values and must be corrected. This point has been pushed by a banned user before. The trouble with his edits is not that it's not true, it's that he doesn't source it to reliable sources that directly support his claim, and also that he wishes to put undue weight on it. There was discussion earlier among several editors, and all agreed that it Pennyseven's version placed undue weight. He reverts to it anyway. Check out the page history and talk history for yourself. You're on the wrong side here. lk (talk) 18:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If the material in question is similar to that found in Inflation accounting then I consider it deserves significant coverage in the main Inflation article as finance, business and accounting are not fringe matters. If we simply require better sources for this then I may be able to help.Colonel Warden (talk) 19:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

To my satisfaction I found many sources on the net.

Thank you very much for your help in this matter. It was decisive.PennySeven (talk) 06:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Standard accounting does not have a CPI adjust. Of course CPI does occur and it is a significant aspect in the cost of money.  But an article on standard accounting, should be on standard accounting.  TCO (talk) 04:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)