User talk:Colourman

Artists Rifles
Where are you getting the info on notable members of the Artists Rifles? Some of them seem to have served in other SAS regiments but not the 21st? Kernel Saunters 22:04, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Presumably you mean one of the following: Peter de la Billiere; David Davis; Ranulph Fiennes; Bear Grylls; Chris Kendall or Richard Tomlinson? I don't know who Chris Kendall is, but did not add his name. All the others did serve with 21 SAS. Colourman 11:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! And damn you ;p
Thanks for creating the Robert Polhill Bevan article; it's been sorely missing! I was working on my own version when I found the new page; all the info i'd found was already included, so I won't bother editing yours. Ironholds 13:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No such thing as "too much information" unless it's boring stuff (in 1926, Bevan scratched his ear twice, and so on). If you'd like someone to judge its worthiness for inclusion feel free to drop it off on one of my sandbox pages. Ironho<b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 18:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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Cumberland Market Group
Thanks for creating that article. However, you do want to be careful with your phrasing and your sources and references. I've expanded the references widely, using the books I have at hand, and I urge you to keep improving it. Too often articles without good references, especially for rather obscure groups, get deleted. :(

If you need any data from my sources, let me know. -- Logical Premise Ergo? 20:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Images
I have sorted out the above problems. In future, you need to add information about the artist's death date and also the relevant licence to the image page. This should do the trick:


 * A work by Robert Bevan (5 August 1865 – 8 July 1925).



 Ty  13:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Image problems again
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There are two images on Stanisława de Karłowska, where you state you own the picture and the copyright. Merely owning a picture in the family collection does not give you any rights. This would only apply if you are the inheritor of the estate. If this is the case, you need to clarify this and would be best advised to notify the Wikimedia Foundation of it. You an email "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org". They will then give you an OTRS ticket which you can put on the image page to prevent any challenge to your uploading of the image.

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Uploading your images
No problem. It is a confusing business. In the case of Robert Bevan, the works are out of copyright for wikipedia purposes, since he died over 70 years ago. In this case you need to put on the image page:

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The works of Stanisława de Karłowska are in copyright. I understand that you own the copyright to her work.The best course of action would be to email the Wikimedia Foundation at "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org" (replacing AT and DOT with appropriate symbols), explaining that you have inherited the estate and the copyright to the works of this artist. They will then issue you with a code (an OTRS ticket) which you can put on the relevant image page. This has happened with User:VAwebteam, representing the V&A museum, as with this image for example: Image:Virgin and child with cat.jpg.

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Let me know if you need further information.

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 * I wonder if you have any further thoughts on the above.  Ty  01:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid that I find the whole business of uploading images somewhat daunting. I would like to add further ones, but don't want to run into any problems with copyright or breach Wikipedia etiquette. At the moment I am working away on other areas of research / interest. Thanks for your guidance. Colourman (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * If you need any help in the future, let me know.  Ty  23:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Silvanus Bevan
Hope I haven't been blocking you out and that you like my additions. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 19:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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Artists Rifles
Hi, Colourman. I saw that you added John Roddam Spencer Stanhope to the list of notable members of the Artists Rifles and added his article page to that category. Since the article itself contains no mention of this affiliation, I was wondering whether you could either add this information, or point me to your source on the talk page. I wrote much of the existing article, and am interested in developing it further when I have a chance. Thanks. Cynwolfe (talk) 01:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Two sources that confirm that Stanhope was a member of the Artists Rifles are:

1) Oswald Doughty, A Victorian Romantic, Frederick Muller, London 1949. 260. 2) Haunted Texts. Studies in Pre-Raphaelitism in honour of William Evan Fredeman. David Latham (editor). University of Toronto Press. p.33 fn 3 "The Pre-Raphaelite members of the Artists Rifles Corps in 1859, all volunteers, included Ford Madox Brown, Burne-Jones, Holman Hunt, Millais, Morris, Val Prinsep, Dante Rossetti, Simeon Solomon, Roddy Stanhope, and Algernon Swinburne! Fredeman's account of their militia experience includes such examples as Hunt forever losing parts of his disassembled rifle, Morris confusing his right from his left during close order drill, 'invariably begg[ing] pardon of the comrade whom he found himself facing.' Rossetti having to question and quarrel over the reason for every command, and Brown shooting his own dog 'the first time he was set to target practice' ('Visionary Vanities,' 10)." Colourman (talk) 18:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Horatio Ross
Hello - could I raise the same query about sources for Horatio Ross, who was the greatest rifle shot of his day, but must have been getting on a bit when the Artists' Rifles were founded? (NB his eldest son was also called Horatio Ross.) 45ossington (talk) 18:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

This information was given to me by Professor Mark Haworth-Booth, the curator of the V&A exhibition of the photographic work of Camille Silvy. I, too, was surprised and wonder if he was a social or honorary member. Colourman (talk) 16:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Do you think the Professor might be able to provide a published source? One can imagine that a volunteer regiment intended for home defence would accept Ross (if only for PR purposes), even though he was 58 at the time. On the other hand, Ross's sons were all crack shots as well and I do wonder whether the Professor's Horatio Ross might not be Horatio Senftenberg John Ross (1834-1898). All very interesting... 45ossington (talk) 08:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I have asked and he says that he will dig out the reference. You may well be right, although there were a number of quite elderly members. One wonders how useful William Morris might have been with the rifle. Colourman (talk) 16:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

William Burges
As above, could you give a source for his membership of the AR? Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 20:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

The source is: Caroline Dakers. The Holland Park Circle. 1999. 175. She says: "He was immensely sociable, 'one of those rich men who never have any ready money', a member of many clubs (ranging from the establishment Athenaeum to the scurrilous Judge and Jury), a rat-hunter and opium addict, owner of a number of characterful dogs and parrots. Leighton, Prinsep and Moore, neighbours in Holland Park, had known him for years through the Hogarth Club, the Arts Club and in the Artists Rifles. He was nearly expelled from the Arts Club for stamping on members' hats in a drunken frenzy." [ref Mordaunt Crook. William Burges. p.89]

Burges also sponsored Robert Edis as a member of the Regiment. One had to be a member to sponsor another man.


 * Good find, adds a nice character sketch. As you have the source could you add this to the article? TIA, Ephebi (talk) 07:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I have added the reference.

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