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 * Thanks. Am a bit rusty has been about 15 years since editing, but picking it up again slowly... CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 21:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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Twitter under Elon Musk
Thank you for your work to improve Wikipedia. I painstakingly Twitter under Elon Musk at 23:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC) with edit summary " rm spurious self-closed ; ; straight single and double quotes and apostrophes; nested quotes single ". That means:
 * rm spurious self-closed &lt;p/>: A tag ending with a slash is a self-closed tag. Only a few tags are allowed to be self-closed and is not one of them. I removed it.
 * cite tweet: This is the preferred template for referencing tweets.
 * straight single and double quotes and apostrophes: MOS:CQ says
 * Use "straight" quotation marks, not “curly” ones. (For single-apostrophe quotes: 'straight', not ‘curly’.)
 * nested quotes single: MOS:QWQ says
 * Use single quotes: Bob asked: "Did Jim say 'I ate the apple' before he left?""

made some of the mistakes I had just fixed, so five minutes later, Sideswipe9th your edit with summary "Undid revision 1186114208 by CommunityNotesContributor (talk) MOS:CQ, undo changes of cite tweet to cite web for no clear reason, undo removal of wikilinks in cite templates, undo change of prose into an embedded tweet template". When someone reverts you and leaves a detailed summary, it's a good idea to pause and figure things out before you forge ahead. But then, you edited the article again (and many times more after that), again using curly quotes and again replacing valid uses of cite tweet with cite web. Unless you have a sound explanation for why you replaced valid uses of cite tweet with cite web, and a sound explanation for why you used curly quotes, please edit this article again, changing all tweet references to use cite tweet and all quotation marks to follow MOS:CQ. Sincerely, Anomalocaris (talk) 01:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for detailed explanation of the mistakes I've been making, as well as patience in doing so. I hadn't noticed the revert, after looking again I realise I indirectly reverted in error when making an edit to a sub-section (I used visual edit switched and for whatever reason I received no edit conflict warning to consider). But no excuses, I'll pay more attention to the history changes in the future when editing pages.
 * Apologies regardless, as well as to @Sideswipe9th. Will go through and fix mistakes. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 09:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Have gone through and corrected, cross-referencing with the previous changes for cite tweets that were made. Let me know if there's anything I missed or didn't do correctly etc. Thanks again for the message. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
The page which you recently edited and which comes under this rule is Maram Susli. Burrobert (talk) 16:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Burrobert Thanks, am aware it would be a contentious topic for the reasons specified. However the notice provided is incorrect, given that the page is currently only WP:SEMI not WP:ECP, so I recommend you make an edit/copy of the template for it to be accurate rather than misleading:
 * "Additionally you must be logged-in, have 500 edits and an account age of 30 days". CommunityNotesContributor (talk)
 * The content you added to Maram's bio related to the Arab–Israeli conflict. The following contentious topics procedure applies to all pages and edits related to this contentious topic:
 * Extended confirmed restriction – only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area. This means you must be logged-in, have 500 edits and an account age of 30 days. Burrobert (talk) 17:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No, still wrong. As I said, it's WP:SEMI not WP:ECP, please check the protection before speculating any further. You need to apply for arbitration enforcement if that's what you want. WP:ROUGHECP. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The 30/500 ECP restriction applies to all articles within the Arab-Israeli contentious topic area, regardless of whether the articles themselves are unprotected, semi-protected, or extended protected. As a non-extended confirmed editor, while you may be able to publish an edit on some individual articles within the purview of the contentious topic, those edits can and often are summarily reverted as non-EC editors are not allowed to edit this topic.
 * Please see Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard, and Arbitration Committee/Procedures for the current policy on how this restriction is applied to this and a few other topic areas. Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:37, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * In particular, point B of WP:ARBECR covers this scenario, where an article is within a CTOP with the extended confirmed restriction, and the article is not currently ECP locked. If a page (other than a "Talk:" page) mostly or entirely relates to the topic area, broadly construed, this restriction is preferably enforced through extended confirmed protection, though this is not required. Sideswipe9th (talk) 17:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't you mean WP:ECR applies to all articles within the scope of contentious, not WP:ECP? As edits by non-extended confirmed users can still be made, as you pointed out, even if they shouldn't be. But thanks for explaining with references, I'd misread the "restriction" vs "protection" part of things, I'll stay away from contentious topics.
 * Either way, as some constructive criticism, the template lacks the reference you provided, namely WP:ECR. There is in fact no mention of "extended confirmed restriction" in the warning. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see what you mean. I know the Arbitration Committee recently changed the text of the extended confirmed restriction, and that may not yet be fully reflected in the templates used. But yeah, adding a wikilink to WP:ECR would aid clarity. I'll make a template edit request for this shortly. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for understand my point. Was about to open a topic in the template talk page to point out the obvious, as to me if just seemed like I'd received the template in error based on the description that mimics ECP. First time in 15 years that I've seen a template that doesn't provide a link to the information the warning is trying to convey. In fact, it gives all refs but the key point. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. I've made the template edit request now. I believe the intent is that you're meant to click the "here" wikilink, at the end of the notice, so that you get a fuller idea of what this particular CTOP means. On that page, ECR is more clearly spelled out at the top. But I'm of the opinion that adding this link would be helpful, because it does improve overall clarity. Hopefully it gets changed :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good news, the templates have been updated! Now you won't see the difference here I'm afraid, because the CTOP templates are one of the few that are always substituted instead of transcluded. But it will take affect for anyone receiving an Arab-Israeli CTOP alert going forward :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I just had a check, looks great! Very clear and well referenced, great job :) Now the edit page for ECR articles just needs to be updated with a warning for users not XC and it'd all make a lot more sense ;)
 * For reference at present it only has the usual statement: "Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse."
 * (But you've already done enough here and I appreciate that so not expecting anything else)
 * If I was being cynical I'd say I suspect some people like the fact there is no warning, in order to publish templates to oblivious users talk pages, so I wouldn't want to take that away from them. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 20:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * oh that's why you wanted it SWinxy (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Finally getting to the bottom of this, has taken some time I have to admit. I knew something was badly wrong here, even if I went the wrong way about it by suggesting alert notice template updates. That wasn't the fundamental problem here, it's the lack of edit note.
 * Was the Maram Susli page missing the  by any chance? Is this why there was no edit warning? @Burrobert If you could otherwise please explain how I was supposed to be aware that this was WP:ECR it'd be appreciated.
 * This issue is now currently under discussion in the clerks noticeboard. Pinging users involved in previous discussion: @Sideswipe9th @SWinxy CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good luck sorting out the technicalities. When I posted the notice I did not assume you were aware of the restrictions relating to the A-I conflict. The intent of the notice was to make you aware of these. Now that you are aware of the restrictions in that area, "err on the side of caution if unsure whether making a particular edit is consistent with these expectations". Burrobert (talk) 13:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think I'll need it, re sorting out technical implementations. To calrify, you didn't post a notice, you posted an alert template, even if this is what you were implying. The edit notice can be found in docs and instead must be applied to the page in question.
 * I'm only really proposing what has already been implemented as procedure, just isn't being applied in this case:
 * This template must be used as a editnotice on pages that have active contentious topic restrictions.
 * This includes WP:CT/A-I. This is reiterated in the Template:Contentious topics at the bottom under enforcement as well, but maybe should be brought into the lede if it's going unnoticed. Please let me know if I'm missing some loophole here.
 * Ergo; Maram Susli is not WP:ECR as the correct enforcement procedure wasn't followed, thus the alert has been incorrectly used. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll let the lawyers work out the fine details of that. I will continue working on the assumption that any edit relating to the A-I conflict is governed by the contentious topic rules above, even if the page on which the edit is made does not have a notice. If that is wrong then someone in charge will let me know. It is important to alert new editors of the restrictions that apply here. As you said above, how else were you to know "that this was WP:ECR". My feeling is that it would be impractical to include the contentious topic notice on every page that touched on the topic in some way. Burrobert (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a fair point, and there appears to be misunderstanding whether topic's without the editnotice are subject to enforcement or not, so still a long way off clarity it seems. Ideally there would be a generic template for contentious topics, and another for contentious topics with page restrictions using an editnotice. But I realise this would be a clerical nightmare to implement. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for letting me know! CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 09:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * I'll get over it, thanks anyway. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Sorry about that
Hey man, sorry to cause you distress with this edit, that wasn't my intention and I (and it seems at least two other editors) would have made the exact same edit without having any prior interaction with you. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 16:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

NPA
I think you really need to read wp:npa. Slatersteven (talk) 17:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes I'm aware I shouldn't be called others a troll, thanks. That user in reference hasd't made a single edit on Tommy Robinson's page prior to reverting my edit, claiming it's part of their watch list - which I find impossible to believe. Instead they were recently reverted by 3 users (including myself) making edits to History of Twitter, due to lack of consensus. I find it hard to believe it's not related. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I have most far right figures on my watch list (its many many thousands of articles long, many of which I have never edited). Did your name pop because we had just interacted? Yes it did but the size and the article popped even more, I would have reverted that edit no matter who made it (as it seems would a number of other editors if I hadn't beat them to it). Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 17:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you strike "and otherwise spend most of their time trolling Talk:Twitter"? Its not only inaccurate but its a personal attack. You can confirm that it is inaccurate using my edit counter and the one for my previous account . Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 17:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure I removed the person attack for you, it's not helpful anyway. I acknowledge that and even apologise, reluctantly. You still never made an edit on that page from your alt either, but it's irrelevant. Sure, you could have watchlists for thousands of far-right figures for all I know. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 17:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Internet Culture invitation
I checked out your other contributions and they seem pretty interesting. Would you mind joining WikiProject Internet Culture? — Davest3r08 > : )  (talk)  18:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the offer, but I had a look and it's a bit outside my scope of interest (see user page). I will now be plagiarising the userbox template in honour of your invite, for the culture :) CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Success!
 * CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 19:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

What the heck are you going on about?
Have you been hacked or something? The other user's behavior is disruptive. I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * If I was being sarcastic that would be indreictly be WP:PA. If I said that the user is simply trolling, like I previously have, that would also be WP:PA. I can neither confirm nor deny that my account has hacked. Apologies for the inconvenience. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well you should or you could end up at ani, and there you will have to give an answer or be blocked for playing silly buggers. Slatersteven (talk) 10:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ideally yes, the entire dispute would of been dealt with elsewhere at the time instead of becoming an edit war, but I get the impression it's at least resolved for now and instead making progress. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 10:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * So idealy you should confirm if your account has been hacked or not, but you will not do it? please read WP:NOTDUMB, these kinds of games will only end up one way. I will not be asking you again to stop playing silly games. Slatersteven (talk) 11:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't checked if my account has been hacked, I'd have to check through every edit, as well as do a full security scan of my laptop in order to check for any intrusion. I'm not doing that right now. That's why I said I can't confirm or deny, because I'd obviously have to do a full check that takes more than a day. At face value, I'd say no though, based on the information currently available. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 11:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Nov 23
You might also benefit from reading wp:tenditious, you do to have to reply to every post. Slatersteven (talk) 11:22, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's very insightful. I've seen enough of that about, related to nearly all of those points; edit warring, abuse of process, wikilawyering, disruption to make a point, and surprisingly never saw a reference to that. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 12:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Clarification request archived
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Bloated introduction
Hi @CommunityNotesContributor,

I'm starting to find the introduction section to Twitter under Elon Musk increasingly bloated and to question the relevance or necessity of including some apparently superfluous or irrelevant information. My doubts have started with the last two versions of this passage:

"In December, the Twitter Files were released; reports intended to shed light on content moderation, censorship, and government influence at the company. The documents were provided by Musk, with former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey requesting information be released 'wikileaks-style'."

This does not obviously contribute to the article's topic and appears more like it should be merged into Twitter Files, where, at a glance, there's already a similar passage included.

Would you be interested in discussing trimming down the introduction? Alternately, we can try to determine what the intended topic of the article is so as to make it easier to find consensus on what is relevant to include in it.

Thanks, Kubis (talk) 19:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, please feel free to trim down the lead. I had already thought this after adding more brief info from the body today.
 * Twitter Files details would be the first on my list to go. I wasn't sure if others would find it controversial to remove the unecessary details regarding it. In hindsight, probably not, as prior to expanding the lead this was one of the few paragraphs that existed, that's why it's taking up much more info than necessary, especially given it's not featured much in the body apart from a one paragraph excerpt.
 * As per WP:LEAD, ideally it summarises the body's most relevant information. The only parts to be "cautious" with, in my opinion, would be the positive statements about Twitter. Ideally those would all be kept, as otherwise the outright negativity of the lead raises NPOV issues, as has already been bought up and I've had to address. Anything that can be better summarised I very much encourage to do.
 * Thanks for contacting me, although this discussion is better on the talk page. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 19:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Not bothered
FOr someone who is not bothered you are sure wp:bludgeoning the conversation. Slatersteven (talk) 14:06, 6 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I guess you misunderstood me. I'm not bothered whether that goes into the infobox or not, but I do bother about the reason why it wouldn't. Arguments based on vague definitions are still worth countering, even if it doesn't change the outcome, so others can make informed opinions.
 * Otherwise no, this isn't wp:bludgeoning, this is just (yet) another inaccurate observation you've made on that talk page, which is getting tiresome at this point. Please give it a rest. I'm not trying to get others to change their opinion, as I'm not bothered on the outcome - as you acknowledged - but I do care about how we get there, which remains important. I'm otherwise having a conversation with a single user, not replying to everyone at all. I otherwise haven't ignored any reasoned arguments, but instead agreed, so please find a more relevant wikipage to send me next time. Thanks. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * To provide a few examples of what I mean by inaccurate observations/opinions:
 * Can we not confuse the matter by discussing other issues?
 * When in fact what was being discussed was the same issue. WP:DAPE might be relevant to you here.
 * As others have said, provide the sources.
 * When no-one else said that, instead that was my suggestion. See 2e: WP:ICA and WP:MISREPRESENTATION
 * Support and affiliation are not the same thing.
 * When quite clearly political affiliation can mean endorsement, but I'll assume good faith on this one.
 * Based on your talk page I assume someone has already pointed you in the direction of WP:UNCIVIL, but there's the link if not. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Based on your talk page I assume someone has already pointed you in the direction of WP:UNCIVIL, but there's the link if not. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Reference errors
There's a few reference errors in the last paragraph you added to Andrew Tate. I'd fix it but I don't want to risk putting in the wrong citations. Best, DFlhb (talk) 22:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Just clocked that, thanks. Am on it. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorted now. Last I try to name references without using RefRenamer. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks. A related complaint was #6 on the 2023 Community Wishlist so hopefully it'll get fixed at some point and we never have to see those :0's and :1's ever again. DFlhb (talk) 22:25, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That's good to know! Admittedly VE doesn't gather author name(s) data very often I find. But even just using first word of publication/title + year would work. At least by manually adding author names, which I obsessively feel the need to do, it would provide a correct ref name at least. PS - Thanks for your patience + heads up on ref errors. Still ain't finished with that article yet. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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