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NPR Newsletter No.18


Hello ,

, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:
 * WMF at work on NPP Improvements
 * Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
 * Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.
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 * News
 * Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.


 * Discussions of interest
 * A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
 * There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
 * What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019). Administrator changes
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 * The 2019 talk pages consultation produced a report for Phase 1 and has entered Phase 2.

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Chuck Tingle
Hi, I disagree with your close of Chuck Tingle RFC as at this stage it is a clear no consensus. Also your close was very opinionated like a super-vote, that would have been better as a comment than a close. WP:NOT states that full lists of creative works are acceptable and MOS regarding collapsible lists is a guideline. Can you please reopen the RFC for a clearer consensus to be reached? regards Atlantic306 (talk) 14:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:25, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks, sorry I was a bit bitey earlier, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 22:49, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries! I didn't seem that way to me, but I am essentially tone-deaf, so you're probably a better judge of what is bitey than I am. If I seemed defensive in my note on the talk page, I want you to know it wasn't because I was offended. I just felt I needed to publicly stake a position that clarified I wasn't conceding to all of your points here, lest I come out of that looking extremely foolish. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 14
Newsletter • June 2019

Updates: I've been focusing largely on the development side of things, so we are a lot closer now to being ready to actually start discussing deploying it and testing it out here.

There's just a few things left that need to be resolved:
 * A bunch of language support issues in particular, plus some other release blockers, such as the fact that currently there's no good way to find any hubs people do create.
 * We also probably need some proper documentation and examples up to even reference if we want a meaningful discussion. We have the extension documentation and some test projects, but we probably need a bit more. Also I need to be able to even find the test projects! How can I possibly write reports about this stuff if I can't find any of it?!

Some other stuff that's happened in the meantime:
 * Midpoint report is out for this round of the project, if you want to read in too much detail about all the problems I've been running into.
 * WikiProject Molecular Biology have successfully set up using the old module system that CollaborationKit is intended to replace (eventually), and it even seems to work, so go them. Based on the issues they ran into, it looks like the members signup thing on that system has some of the same problems as we've been unable to resolve in CK, though, which is... interesting. (Need to change the content model to the right thing for the formwizard config to take. Ugh, content models.)

Until next time,

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Brill - Help
Hello, I am Gazal world. Do you have access to Brill? Your name is listed here. And If you have, can you check that this book is available or not through your subscription. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 13:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * . —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:56, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like students' access expires at my institution following each semester. I am currently corresponding with the library staff, and may or may not be able to access Brill at a later time. I apologize for the inconvenience. I'll ping you if there are any further developments. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. --Gazal world (talk) 21:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The latest news is: my permissions have been fixed, but my college does not subscribe to all of Brill's content, just five specific journals. The one you want access to is not one of them. I can probably obtain the article you want via Interlibrary Loan, but what you need it for will determine how I go about that and what I do with it once I have it. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:51, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, Thank you very much for your reply. I really appreciate it. It would be great help If you can help me to obtain Chapter 2 (pp. 39-90) and Chapter 3 (pp. 91-134) from it. Thanks again. --Gazal world (talk) 14:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello mate. Please note that, Now I need only chapter 4 (pp. 135-190) and Chapter 5 (pp. 191-294). To be honest, if you not fine with the page range, feel free to narrow it down. --Gazal world (talk) 18:07, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, the copies you are requesting I make are almost certainly illegal, but I'm willing to do it anyway, so long as you don't go posting it all over the Internet. I probably need to verify with my librarian that the journal is in fact coming, however. But now I'm kind of baffled by your request. You formerly needed chapters 2 and 3, but no longer, and instead need the next two? Why not? Did you obtain those two chapters from elsewhere? And you say that if I'm not comfortable with the page range, I can narrow it down. But don't you need them for research (i.e., to read them)? How will parts of chapters (or some such) be adequate? —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Thanks for your reply, mate. Sorry, I am not good in English, so I always avoid to write further details. w:de:Wikipedia:Bibliotheksrecherche/Anfragen). I could have requested for Chapter 4 and 5 there but it is against Resource Exchange pages policy. (According to policy, we can request only some parts of the book. i.e 80-100 pages.)
 * 1) Yes, I have obtained Chapter 2 and Chapter 3 from the 'Resource Exchange' page of German wiki (see
 * 1) I have wrote to "narrow down" my request, because I believe that scanning more than 50 pages is difficult job. So, it is really not a good thing to ask you for scanning large amounts of pages. (I could manage to obtain remained pages through WP:RX.)
 * 2) If you think that this is an illegal practice, please let it go. Wikiepdia research is not much important than our moral idea. We are editing wiki only for our own sake.
 * 3) I never publish a copy of 'resource material' on internet which has been sent by other Wikiepdians. I deliver daily number of articles and chapters to other Wikiepdians through WP:RX page, assuming same faith that they would not publish it on Internet.

Apologize, if I have made any mistake in writing English. Thanks and kind regards. --Gazal world (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you still need chapters four and five? I just received the ILL. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Compassionate727, Thanks for your message. If it is not a matter of trouble, I would like to have it. And, as I have said above, feel free to narrow down my request. --Gazal world (talk) 20:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, hey. It looks like I did contact you upon receiving the ILL, which means I've been communicating better than I thought I had been. Still, I should verify: you still need chapters four and five? I have copied those chapters out of the book onto sheets of paper (due to miscopying a couple of pages, I wasn't able to end up with a single PDF directly), so now I need to digitize them again. I don't have access to an easy way of doing that right now, so if there's no rush, I think I'll wait until I return to college in three weeks, when I'll gain access to a machine which, if I recall correctly, has a machine with a tray that I can feed the ~150 pages into. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:18, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * And I forgot to ping. Oops. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 04:07, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello. Looks like you passed through so much trouble. Apologize for that. Yes, I need Cha. 4 & Cha. 5. There are no any urgency. Please do it as per your convenience. Thank you for all your help. --Gazal world (talk) 08:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Please email me so I can email you the PDFs. Please tell me if there are any pages you cannot read, and I will try to fix them. However, I no longer have access to the book, just the copies I made of them, so there may not be anything I can do. (For example, I know that ~4 letters are clipped off the front of each line on page 137; these can be viewed from page 136, where they were copied instead.) If there are any serious issues, I'll just request the book through interlibrary loan again, although it cost my former employer $30, so I'd rather not force my college to pay that if I don't need to. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:19, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * . —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:41, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Received. Thanks you very very much for your efforts. You are amazing. --Gazal world (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019


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Article for Porygon, Porygon2, or Poryon-Z
Can you help me make an article about them? I have an article about porygon already but Its not published. So can you help me please? Porygon-Z (talk) 04:57, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, you have an uphill battle ahead of you, that's for sure. Once upon a time, there were articles for almost every Pokémon on Wikipedia, which resulted in people trying to make arguments for notability (the project's inclusion standard) by comparing them to Pokémon. You can look at Pokémon test for more information on that. Ultimately, most such articles were merged.
 * Ultimately, there's one thing you need to include an article on Wikipedia, and that's high-quality sources. Normally, we tell editors that we expect at least two of them. I won't repeat what makes a source high-quality—WP:GNG explains it better than I would—but I can give you a breakdown of the sources currently in your draft.
 * RankedBoost seems to be a database containing entries of all Pokémon, and I would thus consider this to be routine coverage. There's a guideline, WP:ROUTINE that says that routine coverage doesn't establish notability. That guideline is discussing events specifically, so it doesn't necessarily apply to your draft, but most editors at Articles for Deletion are likely to argue that a such an entry is not significant coverage. In particular, they are likely to argue that the information included is trivia, and not actually discussing the subject in any true detail.
 * I received a 403 Forbidden error while attempting to access cosc.canterbury.ac.nz, but I'm guessing from the title that this article doesn't event mention Porygon, and that you're just using to cite the information on polygons and 3D graphics. If so, it doesn't establish notability.
 * Serebii is in the same position as RankedBoost.
 * YouTube is not a reliable source.
 * Pokemondb is like RankedBoost and Serebii.
 * GameInformer merely includes Porygon in a couple of lists. Not significant coverage.
 * This Metro article doesn't even discuss Porygon, just an episode where it is named in the title. Definitely not significant.
 * BreakingCanon appears to be a self-published source, which are generally considered unreliable unless the author is already established as reputable.
 * PokeCommunity is a forum—definitely not reliable.
 * Pokémon.com is routine/trivial like the databases from before, and also definitely not independent of the subject.
 * Troll and Toad is routine/trivial like Pokémon.com.
 * This is not to say these are all bad sources and need to be removed—they just don't count for the purposes of establishing notability. I cannot say whether you will be able to find sources that establish its notability, but I would guess not. And unfortunately, you have it worse with this topic than many others. Precisely because it's a Pokémon, and people have (at least historically) frequently created bad articles about non-notable Pokémon, people at AfD will be predisposed to vote delete.
 * If you are still determined to move forward, I would suggest that you look at high-quality articles of other Pokémon, like Pikachu, to better grasp what kinds of sources we're looking for. The kind of coverage contained in your BreakingCanon article, by more-reliable sources, is what you want. It would also be a good idea to ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon, in particular because the editors there are more familiar with the topic and may be better able than me to help you find quality sources. However, I feel I should warn you that topics are judged non-notable because those kinds of sources are believed to not exist—you are welcome to try, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:12, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I do have a few questions about what you said. First of all, I understand where you're coming from and thank you, but what about Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? They do have interesting things about them. Does the article need to be long? I can merge the episode of Porygon with the article. And lastly, what about verified things on Youtube like how they areeee in battle, thier name origins, and more? Are they eligible? Porygon-Z (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, you don't have a draft of Porygon2 or Porygon-Z that I can comment on, but I would expect them to have the same notability problems that Porygon does. As for whether you can use YouTube, I would need you to clarify what you mean by "verified". A YouTube video by a channel affiliated with Pokémon, such as Nintendo, would be considered a reliable source of information by most editors, but would not count toward notability because it would not be independent. A YouTube video by a popular gaming channel would not count as reliable, I expect, except for perhaps very basic information. If you're talking about the information in the video being verified, it would be better to go straight to the source for that, if possible. Note that details which can be easily verified (e.g., the plot of movie) typically do not require citations.
 * As far as length goes, that depends. Sometimes articles are very short because information is available about them, but nobody has yet taken the time to add it. The community finds that acceptable, although we would much prefer that while you are going to the trouble to create the article at all, you add the available content also. However, sometimes articles are very short because there is simply nothing else that would be advantageous to say about them. In these cases, merging the stubs into a parent topic is preferred, if possible. I would advise against merging the episode into an article about Porygon, however, because the amount of content in the episode article would unbalance an article about the Pokémon. You can copy some of it, of course, provided you attribute it correctly, but I would not remove anything from Dennō Senshi Porygon in the process. I should also refer you to WP:INHERIT: the fact that Porygon was featured in a notable television episode does not, in itself, confer notability on Porygon, because you still need to establish that Porygon itself has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. WP:1E may also apply. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:11, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well since Porygon2 or Porygon-Z dont' have much info about them, I could make them an article providing some info. But I don't know to write an article. Porygon-Z (talk) 00:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * You are, of course, more than welcome to try to create articles for them, but I must advise you that if you cannot procure better sourcing about either of them than you were for Draft:Porygon, you won't get very far. The simple fact is that you can write a stellar article, but if you cannot show that the topic merits inclusion in an encyclopedia by demonstrating its notability, it won't be retained. Furthermore, if you are struggling to write an encyclopedia article, it is likely because the topic is not worthy of one. Sure, there is a lot of information about various Pokémon out there, but much of it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Information that doesn't help a general audience better understand the subject, like its Max CP and other stats (to give a random example—I'm not implying you've done this), would be better suited for Wikia than Wikipedia. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * What info can I put in an article? Is it enough or a good article? Porygon-Z (talk) 01:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I beg your pardon, but I don't understand your question. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Is it kosher to close a RfC less than two weeks from its start, as you did here? I'd also like to note that there were six support votes for including content about CRC's controversial practices and seven opposed to it, yet the closing concluded there was a consensus against the text. I'd also note that most of the oppose votes couldn't even muster an explanation besides pointing to one user's inaccurate claim that CRC's activities were irrelevant to the Federalist Society (somehow every RS that covered the two disagrees with that user). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Is it kosher to close after less than two weeks? Sure, if the discussion has essentially ceased, or if future discussion is highly unlikely to change the outcome. I considered the fact that all votes within the past week were "Oppose per reason X that was already stated above", alongside the fact that nobody has commented for three days, to be an indication that discussion had burned out.
 * As for the support to oppose ratio (5:8, or 6:7 if you count the person who said "Oppose, prefer this other implementation" as a support, as you apparently do), I have two points. 1) Consensus is evaluated by the strength of arguments, not votes; votes are useful only for determining how compelling editors find various arguments. I will also note that 2) of the five (or six) supports, three (or four) said they had problems with the specific proposal—either the detail afforded to the specific controversies was undue, or that the proposal used loaded language that didn't match that of the sources cited—but supported some mention of the connection. Hence, I found that consensus was opposed (in fact, strongly opposed) to the text as presented.
 * Of course, the RfC was about whether or not to include something "similar" to the proposed text, and that word is ambiguous. I interpreted it, and I suspect many of those who opposed interpreted it, as meaning something substantially identical to the proposal, with allowance for trivial prose edits (so that people do not discuss whether to use a period or a comma and coordinating conjunction in the RfC). Many of the supporters interpreted it to mean whether they supported or opposed the principle of the proposal, that CPC's controversies should be mentioned, and said they supported doing so but opposed the way in which you had done it. There was, of course, no consensus on the principle, in part because many weren't discussing it.
 * As for the arguments of the opponents, you don't need to repeat an explanation that has already been given; you can simply point to it, and many of them did. Again, votes not being the metric of consensus also applies. And I disagree with your implication that your argument refutes theirs: while it is well established that reliable sources consistently mention the two together, we already mention that the Federalist Society hires CPC, and nobody suggests we shouldn't. I haven't checked whether those sources also consistently mention CPC's controversies, but even if they do, that does not prove we should. Wikipedia's job is to be a reliable, neutral summary of its topics; the job of the Washington Post (for example) is to discuss current events. The differing objectives will lead to differing scopes, and the consequence is that the not everything which the news or others covers is worth our attention.
 * Your proposed text says that the Federalist Society employs CPC, then explains CPC's controversies. But as participants noted, CPC's controversies are not necessarily the Federalist Society's. Including these controversies in a summary of the Federalist Society implies that they pertain strongly enough to the Federalist Society, that they are an important enough part of what the Federalist Society is, to warrant multiple sentences of a summary. Many editors denied that they are indeed that important, on the grounds that the Federalist Society doing business with an organization that does controversial things for other clients (which is all your proposal mentions) does not prove that the Federalist Society was involved, as that's an association fallacy.
 * You mentioned in your vote rationale that the CPC is controversial for its attempts to discredit an accuser of Brett Kavanaugh, whose candidacy the Federalist Society supported. Great! There's the connection: find one or two reliable sources that support that connection (note: not one that says the Federalist Society supported Brett Kavanaugh, and one that mentions the CPC's controversy, which would be synthesis, but one or two that mention both), and propose that. Again, you'll need to be careful to word it neutrally and in the way that reliable sources word it. That will garner far more support, although you will again need to word it carefully. Another option is something along the lines of 's proposal, which doesn't imply that CPC's controversies are an important part of the Federalist Society's history, just that the Federalist Society does (and is willing to do) business with controversial entities, and thus would probably be unproblematic in most participants' view. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

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Can you help understand what you mean by "what the community's opinion is"? That the photo should never be on the main page or the photo should not be posted on the Main Page on 2019-10-28? The RfC question was "Should the Picture of the Day entry currently at Template:POTD/2019-10-28 be used on the main page on that day?" --- Coffee  and crumbs  23:32, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course, sorry for being vague. The RfC being specifically about the proposed use on that particular day, and numerous oppose votes opposing that particular use of the image, the result of the RfC is only that the community is opposed to that particular proposed use. There wasn't really a clear enough thought pattern to draw any broader conclusions. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:38, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. Please note this in your closing summary because I have moved the template to another date. --- Coffee  and crumbs  18:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, if that is really the intention of your close then I think it needs to be reversed. I suppose I just have myself to blame, for wording the proposal too specifically, but to me it's clear that the consensus is not just to avoid posting the image on that specific day, but to avoid posting it altogether. This issue has already been a huge timesink, but if there isn't a clear decision that the image should not appear on any day, then I will have to restart a new RFC which will be very tedious when consensus already seems clear. Please could you look over the debate again, Compassionate, and consider extending the close to cover all dates? Thanks  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:07, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * To help me respond to this, I did a break down of opposing votes by rationale. 16 people opposed the image's use because they believe it is too graphic for the main page; 17 people opposed its use because they believe it disrespectful toward intersex persons due to the focus on genitalia; 4 people opposed per both reasons. (Another four opposed because of its low quality, and a handful of others opposed without a clear rationale.) In total, with 20 opposing because it's graphic and 21 opposing it as disrespectful versus 12 supports, there is a consensus against including the image on either rationale alone. The problem is that it becomes more complicated after that. Obviously, those who opposed the image because it is too graphic will oppose using this image or any other photograph that depicts genitalia on the Main Page in any context. But I am unwilling to say: "There is a community consensus that we should not include graphic nude photographs on the Main Page" without an RfC dedicated specifically to that question, due to how controversial that question is and how sweeping such a conclusion would be.
 * The issue that the image was disrespectful to intersex persons is more nuanced. On the one hand, it is entirely possible that editors will find the image itself disrespectful and thus unsuitable for use on the Main Page in any context, due to its fascination with the subject's genitalia (the focus of the photograph) at the expense of the subject personally (who hides his face in shame). On the other hand, the fact that editors found the image disrespectful in this context is inextricably linked to the occasion, Intersex Awareness Day. Indeed, 15 of the 21 people who opposed specifically mentioned that it was inappropriate to use a photograph that disrespects the person it depicts in order to represent Intersex Awareness Day. Would its disrespectful nature be less objectionable in some other context? Judging from how many people cited the context in their opposes, it's possible. And if the concerns of disrespect could be addressed to most people's satisfaction by some other use, then judging from the outcome of this discussion, it would be feasible to obtain a consensus for that use.
 * So no, I really don't think there's a consensus beyond that using an image which disrespects its subject to represent a movement promoting respect for intersex persons is inappropriate. I again apologize for being vague, and I'll update my close rationale to be more clear tomorrow, when I'm not tired and can better think about the best way to do it. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:56, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've updated the archived survey. Let me know if anyone has any further questions. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 16:54, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Honestly, my biggest problem with that survey is that it set forth as standard practice something we haven't done since 2006 or so. If you tell people POTD is regularly censored, then they'll be all gung-ho to censor it. We haven't blocked an image from the main page on sexual content alone since The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife over a decade ago; can we really say that we're as censored as Amakuru is making it out to be in the setup for the survey? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 11:15, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Compassionate727, I am looking for someone who can help me with certain questions in the english wikipedia. I'm a longterm experienced user in the german WP, but there are so many formal differences, I'm just lost at some of the things that don't seem to work out. I published this article on the weekend - Stefan Kirsten - on the one hand I'd be happy if you could read it just in case you find some flaws in my english (it's a direct translation from a german article I published), on the other hand I just can't seem to figure out why the categories don't show up the way they should! We have a control system in the german wikipedia, so there are bots and users looking through new pages immediately. This english page has just been ignored for several days, so I'd be happy if someone would give it a better look! I'd like to do more in the english wikipedia and learn about the formal differences in the future. Have a nice start into the week, --Grizma (talk) 09:35, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
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Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 15
Newsletter • September 2019

A final update, for now:

The third grant-funded round of WikiProject X has been completed. Unfortunately, while this round has not resulted in a deployed product, I am not planning to resume working on the project for the foreseeable future. Please see the final report for more information.

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 * Lol, thanks. However, it begs mention that it wasn't a complete waste—I did learn how to use the microfiche machine (sort of)—and in any case, I've spent far more than an hour and a half on thoroughly useless projects (e.g. reading, thinking about, and closing this RfC, and subsequently making this realization). —Compassionate727 (T·C) 21:05, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

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