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Administrators' newsletter – December 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2021).



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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! ComplexRational (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I think this wrong number may have been intended for you
This ping by may have been intended for you, not for me. I also agree that Sb seems a bit lonely, but understand Sandbh's reasoning. Would it hurt much to list all of the symbols? That would at least be consistent. But I have no strong feeling one way or the other. `YBG (talk) 07:34, 2 January 2022 (UTC)


 * haha, it happens, thanks for the notice. I understand 's reasoning, and would be in favor of listing all the symbols for consistency. Also, I notice now that some of the symbols are not introduced prior to the table, so adding all of them may help alleviate any other/similar confusion that could arise. Later today I'll post a more complete reply at the FAC page. ComplexRational (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2021).

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 * Following consensus at the 2021 RfA review, the autopatrolled user right has been removed from the administrators user group; admins can grant themselves the autopatrolled permission if they wish to remain autopatrolled.


 * Additionally, consensus for proposal 6C of the 2021 RfA review has led to the creation of an administrative action review process. The purpose of this process will be to review individual administrator actions and individual actions taken by users holding advanced permissions.

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 * Following the 2021 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee:, , , , , , ,.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of History of Atalanta B.C.
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article History of Atalanta B.C. you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of David Fuchs -- David Fuchs (talk) 18:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2022).

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Invitation to discussion: FAC 4 nomination of nonmetal
Please accept this note as an invitation to participate in the discussion of this latest FAC nomination for the nonmetal article.

The context is that you were involved in the FAC 3 discussion for the article (which was not prompted) or you are an editor who made a recent edit to the nonmetal article.

Thank you. Sandbh (talk) 07:06, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of History of Atalanta B.C.
The article History of Atalanta B.C. you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:History of Atalanta B.C. for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of David Fuchs -- David Fuchs (talk) 15:41, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News
Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest. Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
 * The template db-afc-move has been created - this template is similar to db-move when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

MetAfrofuturist interim results and Sunday Black Lunch Table office hours
Wanted to share our MetAfrofuturist report of new and improved articles related to the exhibition, and invite you to share at the Black Lunch Table office hours at 12pm Eastern on Sunday!

For a preview, the new articles so far are: Before Yesterday We Could Fly, Yinka Ilori, Zizipho Poswa, Thomas Commeraw, Flying Africans, Period room, and Letter 47 (Seneca).

We'd also invite you to join the Discord channel for the rest of February, if you haven't already.--Pharos (talk) 02:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Nonmetal FAC4
ComplexRational, at nonmetal FAC4 you posted:


 * " ... in my opinion, this has been rushed into FAC4. While I'm all for trying again in principle, I get the impression that this is the third time it's rushed back into FAC after a closed nomination and that won't sit well with some reviewers ... rushing improvements and re-nominations won't do it any good. ComplexRational (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

When I read these comments I was disappointed.

I have some questions about them.

What was it that gave you the impression that nonmetal had been "rushed" into FAC4? I ask this as between FAC3 close and FAC4 nomination, 17 days had passed. During this time I edited the article to address the very few outstanding concerns, noting it had rec'd six supports and one oppose from DePiep.

Regarding "the third time its rushed back into FAC", ten weeks passed between FAC1 and FAC2 during which interval a two-month PR was successfully concluded. What kind of "rush" was that?

What prompted you to add, "and that won't sit well with some reviewers"? While this may be the case I feel it didn't need to be said as if potentially adding fuel to a fire.

Similarly, what prompted you to repeat the reference to "rushing improvements and re-nominations?"

Thank you, Sandbh (talk) 11:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


 * If improvements are being made (which they undoubtedly were), there's nothing wrong with only a 17-day wait in principle. The only thing I meant was that it may look like the next nomination is hasty because all FACs that played out in such fashion were unsuccessful and had actionable opposes. The net outcome is a much-improved article, though the fact that actionable opposes and significant rewrites have occurred during each FAC makes this improvement seem reactive (to comments) rather than proactive (polishing to FA standard before FAC). I like to imagine FAC as an exam: one doesn't learn the material or derive an equation in a last-minute study session---or worse, while sitting for the exam and reading the questions---but instead (ideally) comes to the exam knowing exactly how to tackle any questions that may come up. In the former, I see it rather difficult to pass because one will much more likely encounter something they're unprepared for, whereas in the latter they are very likely to succeed barring a major oversight. Peer review is like regular study sessions---fill in the gaps before being tested against the criteria.


 * Since four attempts with the former have been unsuccessful, I highly encourage doing a top-to-bottom review (yes, it would be the second PR, but I think it's worthwhile given how much the content has changed since PR1) to ensure the article is ready to pass FAC5 with flying colors. And this takes time, but going back to my analogy, one will retain well-studied material for far longer than crammed or improvised solutions would allow.


 * I'm not trying to add fuel to a fire, and I apologize if my comments had that unintended effect. I do sincerely believe, though, that coming to FAC fully prepared will likely have a much better outcome than responding to opposes and immediately re-nominating. Even in my case, since the article has been reworked in some ways since FAC3 and new references have been added, my source review is now insufficient and needs another set of eyes. Some reviewers may also grow impatient (so I'm trying to word this as objectively as I can), so checking things beforehand will cut some of their work and reduce the likelihood of them opposing. ComplexRational (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thank you, . ComplexRational (talk) 16:40, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

249Bk, 254Es harvesting
Might interest you (ORNL 2020). 257Fm was also attempted, but not enough could be made. :D Double sharp (talk) 20:09, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks interesting! I'll read it fully when I have time. From a quick glance, it looks like 252Cf may also be promising for SHE production, 254Es maybe with next-generator accelerators and more sensitive equipment, and 257Fm + 48Ca will remain a pipe dream for now. ComplexRational (talk) 03:35, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The main problem with 252Cf is that it emits dangerous levels of neutrons, so shielding would be hard. It's true that it would be the next logical step after 244Pu+48Ca and 248Cm+48Ca, extending the most neutron-rich chains up another alpha to element 118 rather than 116 (so we could start from 297Og rather than 293Lv). But, more realistically, I'd think running 251Cf+48Ca again would be better. Though based on this (in the context of trying for 120), it seems possible that US-Russia diplomatic relations may make it impossible to get Bk and Cf from the US for future experiments, so who knows. I guess 119 and 120 may be stuck with 248Cm targets (they say it explicitly for 120); given that RIKEN has been trying for 119 with one for so long, who knows how long that will take. :( Double sharp (talk) 10:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Sunday Feb 27: MetAfrofuturist End-of-Month Zoom Meetup
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Administrators' newsletter – March 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2022).

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 * The deployment of the reply tool as an opt-out feature, as announced in last month's newsletter, has been delayed to 7 March. Feedback and comments are being welcomed at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project.
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 * The ability to undelete the talk page when undeleting a page using Special:Undelete or the API will be added soon. This change was requested in the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Copper-64
(Undid revision 1079885350 by Sbharris (talk) Not quite. Both decays occur because both are energetically favorable (given by the mass/binding energy of all nuclides involved), and not all odd-odd nuclides can decay both ways, otherwise every even-even nuclide would be beta-stable.)

NO! You're using bad logic. Every odd/odd isotope is certainly more stable than the even/even isotopes of the same nucleon number on either side of it, accessible from beta decay. The energy difference comes from double pairing effects for both protons and neutrons. There are only five odd-odd nuclei and most of them are light (Ta180m is spin-suppressed). (The light odd-odd ones don't decay because they cause cause proton/neutron number mismatches which are not permissible in light isotopes. Li-6 would go to Be-6 or He-6, neither of which is viable) Of course there are many other influences on proton and neutron number (which is why odd/even effects are not the only ones), and the best ratio of them depends on nuclear size and other effects (the last stable one with the same number of each is Ca-40). But they tend to be even-even even as the nuclei get larger and require more neutrons than protons.

As for mass/binding energy that's not a "reason" but merely a side-effect of more fundamental mechanisms (pairing effects, magic numbers, nuclear force and EM force distance tradeoffs which mimic surface tension-- see the semi-empirical mass formula). Never use binding energy/nucleon as a "reason"-- again it's merely a side effect. You can get some more understanding for these binding energies per nucleon from that semi-empirical mass formula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-empirical_mass_formula which includes all but the magic number effects. In sum, I'm right about Cu-64's propensity to decay in both directions. You are hand-waving about an effect that is not primary. S B Harris 11:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)


 * In general, even-even nuclides are more stable than odd-odd, yes. In the specific case of copper-64, also yes, both beta decays compete and are observed. The reason I undid that edit is that the wording seemed unclear, as though to suggest that pairing effects are a general reason for odd-odd decaying into even-even. However, this is obviously not the only factor at play: we don't see (for example) cobalt-64 decaying to iron-64, and the beta-minus decay of the latter into the former is energetically favorable, presumably because other factors dominate pairing effects in this case. I feel that with a bit of revision – focusing on how these specific properties enable copper-64 to beta decay in both directions – and a clearer citation, what you said could be mentioned and would be unambiguous.


 * And more generally, I certainly agree that more fundamental mechanisms, as you put it, govern mass/binding energy and therefore determine which decays are allowed. I apologize for creating any misunderstanding. ComplexRational (talk) 16:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2022).

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 * A arbitration case regarding Skepticism and coordinated editing has been closed.
 * A arbitration case regarding WikiProject Tropical Cyclones has been opened.

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Earth Day 2022 Edit-a-thon - April 22nd - 2PM EST
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Administrators' newsletter – May 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).

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 * Remedy 2 of the St Christopher case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages from those pages.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2022).

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 * Several areas of improvement collated from community member votes have been identified in the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement guidelines. The areas of improvement have been sent back for review and you are invited to provide input on these areas.

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 * Administrators using the mobile web interface can now access Special:Block directly from user pages.
 * The IP Info feature has been deployed to all wikis as a Beta Feature. Any autoconfirmed user may enable the feature using the "IP info" checkbox under . Autoconfirmed users will be able to access basic information about an IP address that includes the country and connection method. Those with advanced privileges (admin, bureaucrat, checkuser) will have access to extra information that includes the Internet Service Provider and more specific location.

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 * Remedy 2 of the Rachel Marsden case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to delete or reduce to a stub, together with their talk pages, articles related to Rachel Marsden when they violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy.
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus
Since you said on the FAC that you might want to continue comments at peer review. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I'll copy my comments from the FAC to the peer review shortly. ComplexRational (talk) 19:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Ronni Ancona
Hi we represent Ronni Ancona here at Film Soho www.filmsoho.co.uk and her birthdate is continuously wrong on this site. Her year of birth is 1968 and we wish to edit this correctly. 217.138.188.202 (talk) 12:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Feel free to make this change if you have a reliable source – a credible, independent reference – to cite it. Unsourced edits are especially problematic in articles about living people. Also, since you say you're affiliated with Ronni Ancona, beware of a potential conflict of interest; please take extra care when editing her article and remember that this does not exempt adhering to Wikipedia's verifiability policy. ComplexRational (talk) 12:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like you're correct you may be correct, though this seems to be disputed, in which case you may also wish to consider asking on the article's talk page ComplexRational (talk) 01:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC), in which case you should have no trouble finding a source. Here's (at least) one that looks suitable: . Cheers, ComplexRational (talk) 12:35, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
 * Backlog drive

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
 * TIP – New school articles

There is a new template available,, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:
 * Misc

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:01, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

note re items
hi. it was great to see you on the zoom call for the nyc meetup chapter. would it be ok if I send you an invite via email, to join the forums site for "movement strategy" i.e. the site that hists the threads run by Discourse? I hope that's ok. we could really use your input there. feel free to let me know. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 13:42, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It was nice to see you there as well. I'm not very involved with the movement strategy or WMF-related matters in general, though feel free to email me and I'll take a deeper look into it. Cheers, ComplexRational (talk) 13:56, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ok, that sounds good. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 14:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

WP:STUBSPACING
Hi there. Thanks for updating Matteo Lovato. Please be aware of WP:STUBSPACING which states: "Leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it." I've removed the stub tag as the article is no longer a stub. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up (and for removing the stub tag). I'll keep this in mind. ComplexRational (talk) 21:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. :-) Happy editing, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

07 July 2022
Hi, I am Eagle Site, I edited on Clément Lenglet page based on a tweet from Fabrizio Romano. In the world of football transactions, It is seen as the most reliable source. So I'm sure that transaction has been made. Like you said, let's wait for the official announcement. Thank you. Eagle Site (talk) 14:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fabrizio Romano is one of the more credible pundits (amid all the gossip of the transfer market), though anything can happen until the contract is signed and the club(s) announce the transfer and I have seen "done deals" fall through at the last minute. Even normally reliable sources sometimes end up contradicting themselves – for instance, the Italian sports newspapers reported for days that Atalanta would not redeem Dermiral, yet here he is on a permanent transfer in preseason training. That's why official announcements are awaited before updating the Wikipedia articles; by then, there's no doubt whatsoever. See also WikiProject Sports/Handling sports transactions.
 * BTW, in the future, please post new messages at the bottom of talk pages or use the "New section" tab. Your post inadvertently messed up the header, but no worries, I fixed it. Cheers, ComplexRational (talk) 14:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

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In Her Defense
I didn't tag it because I saw that there was a passing mention of a review that didn't seem to have been in the first version. However, the presumption of non-notability is there, and we will see what the admin does. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:36, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this note. I saw an old version on the Wayback Machine and read through the AfD. The two references in the current version are the Dutch review, which was deemed insufficient by itself in the AfD, and this, which is a short review in itself but IMO not enough to invalidate the AfD's result. In my opinion, there was enough similarity, though I see how this could be an edge case; if the speedy is declined, I'll probably open a new AfD. ComplexRational (talk) 00:45, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If the speedy is declined, I will !vote in AFD 2. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested draftify
I was hoping you could draftify Kudakkachira Anthoni Kathanar, an article currently being translated from Malayalam. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that in its current state, it is not ready for mainspace. I'm surprised that it was marked as patrolled while it was still in Malayalam and had no sources whatsoever. Draftification does seem to be the most logical thing to do here. There are a few passing mentions that could be used for sourcing, but it's quite possible that better sources in Malayalam may exist.
 * On a technical note, you don't need to have the new page patroller permission to move articles to draft space; you're welcome to perform the move yourself if you deem it appropriate. (And if you do, be sure to notify the original reviewer.) There exists a very helpful script for draftification at User:Evad37/MoveToDraft. Nonetheless, if you're actively interested in reviewing new pages (which seems to be the case from your recent contributions), and feel you have a solid enough understanding of the relevant policies (I'd be happy to help you with CSD, since you mentioned that before), you're welcome to apply at WP:PERM. NPP is always recruiting. ComplexRational (talk) 16:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. I realized I possessed the ability while looking through the move options just now (and sorta tested them, but realized I wasn't confident in my call and self-reverted). I'm going to hold off on applying for now, but thank you! ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:08, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Montauk Cutoff
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Son of man
Hey why did you reverse the following text for son of man wikipedia page ==Children of men interpretation== HMPIGGIN (talk) 04:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit for the same reasons given by other editors: it veers quite off topic for the article lead and is sourced only to the Bible, not independent reliable sources as would be required. You have also repeatedly reinstated the same content after being warned; please discuss the matter on the article talk page. ComplexRational (talk) 14:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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Just in case you have pings disabled. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pings work, but sometimes I forget, so thanks for dropping by. I already looked it over and will write a full response at the PR later today. ComplexRational (talk) 12:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 's OK. I admit I ãm worrying a bit about spamming other people's talk pages by now... Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:17, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing to worry about, this bit of "spamming" was helpful. I've written my replies. ComplexRational (talk) 19:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Everton based edits
Right. What's your problem? Either speak now, or I am justified in reverting you as unconstructive. Evertonian Toffee (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Answered on your talk page. No need to repeat myself here. ComplexRational (talk) 20:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

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