User talk:Conrad Devonshire~enwiki/Archive 2

TfD nominations of userboxes
All of these are "speedy keep" because there is no TfD notice on the templates. Please add the TfD notice; this sneaky way of deleting templates is not nice. I don't care about the userboxen: real men should create their own funny boxen anyway, but you as an admin should nominate these templates properly. Kusma (討論) 18:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't know why I thought you're an admin, must have confused you with somebody else. Kusma (討論) 19:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm a person
Why are you trying to delete the bit on my page where I say that I'm a person, and nothing else matters? Did I do something wrong? If so, I apologize, but please stop trying to wreck things for other people. I'm not the only one who uses that userbox, you know, and you're being disruptive to them too. Jimpartame 19:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your policies on Userboxen
I'm not sure what makes you think you are more qualified than other editors to decide what userboxen decide to stay or go. Notability or humor are not strictly based on your personal taste in either, and I really think you should reexamine WP:POINT. Voting things for deletion based on such an objective criterion as "Stupid and lacking in humor" is, quite simply, poor form. It's not the userbox's fault that you don't "get the joke", it's rather like voting to delete articles on sumo wrestlers for deletion because you don't care to know about Japan.

In any case, I agree that we probably all have better things to do than crusading one way or the other about userboxes (ie Recent Changes Patrol, Anti-Vandalism) and kudos to you for doing all that. However, I suggest that you take your own advice and get back to doing what you think is important rather than going through and deciding what userboxen you don't like. Yes, Wikipedia is about the articles, but it is also about community, and userboxen help us see who we are dealing with as more than just a bunch of borderline-anonymous handles.

You may also want to check how many people are using a userbox before deciding it's not notable. If it's a grand total of three people ... yeah, that's fine and dandy, yank it now. But if there are a goodly number of people, maybe you might want to consider substing or double-checking whether it's based on notability or your own personal taste.

Nothing personal, I just disagree with what you're doing in this case, and would like to voice that disagreement (and I'm sure I speak for other Wikipedia editors as well). Otherwise, cheers, and take care. Back to work!

PS> If in the end I do get outvoted, that's fair and I'll accept that. I refuse to "stack votes" to get my result, that's just not right, and that's almost like sockpuppetry. But I would like you to understand it's not all just a bunch of nonsense. Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 01:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree with everything Miwa has said. Wikipedia wouldn't happen without community and diversity.  Some of us have a sense of humour and like to express it through userboxen. Bastun 08:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fair. In any case, I feel that the votes should bear things out -- though I do have to agree with you that at least one of those userboxen actually DOES deserve deletion as a vanity userbox.  Cheers! Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 02:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:POINT means doing something you disagree with to show how silly the other side is. I don't think Conrad is trying to make a point ... I think he legitimately thinks these unencyclopedic templates need to be done away with. -- Cyde Weys 02:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Subst
When using template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use &#123;&#123;subst:test&#125;&#125; instead of &#123;{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. -- Cyde Weys 02:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've started doing that now.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  03:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

My Talk Page
Who are you to say that I cannot remove warnings from my talk page? They are messages for me. Once I read them, I can delete them as I see fit. I got the point that you are trying to make. I was going to leave well enough alone, but you had to come by and shove it in my face. Now you made me angry. I don't plan on vandalizing your user page, but I would still like to let you know how much I dislike you're style of "cleaning" Wikipedia. Don't you touch my talk page. Best wishes. --Chris 03:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, warnings and blocks are administered based on what warnings/blocks have been received previously, so removing warnings/blocks from your talk page could be considered an attempt to disguise the fact that you have received them and receive lighter discipline than is due.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  10:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I see no rule against deleting them here. Never the less, I'd like to apologize for my actions. It's been a tough weekend and week for me because we have final exams and it's our last days as a freshman in college. All I ask is that you let humorous userboxes continue to exist. --Chris 13:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, as I've said before, my nominations were not necessarily for complete deletion of the userboxes, but were at least requests for the userboxes to be deleted from the template namespace.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  21:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

User Boxes
Why do you want to get rid of so many user boxes? How are they hurting anyone? Its not as if they appear in any articles, and the general public (people who are not registered users) rarely if ever look at user pages. Perhaps you just dont get or understand the satire behind the user box(es). No one is forcing you to use the boxes, and if you dont understand them, perhaps seek clarification before just proposing them for deletion. Thanks.--Gephart 06:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, in nominating the userboxes for deletion that I did, I didn't generally mean that they had to be deleted permenantly, but I thought that they should at least be removed from the template namespace. I'm not completely sure what Wikipedia's policy on this is, but I tend to think that the template namespace should be used for more self-explanatory userboxes which multiple users would be likely to use. Some of the boxes I nominated were somewhat obscure and hard to understand, and while I didn't mind individual users using them, I thought that they shouldn't exist on the template namespace.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  10:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Many (possibly most, I haven't checked through the whole list) of the userboxes you're trying to delete are both self-explanatory and used by multiple users. Why do you want to remove self-explanatory userboxes which multiple users would be likely to use? Jimpartame 12:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This same guy also accused me of "not getting" the userboxes. I guess he thinks anyone who nominates a userbox for deletion clearly just doesn't get its humor because there couldn't possibly be any other reasons for wanting it deleted, eh?  -- Cyde Weys  10:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Aren't you the guy who's trying to delete User:UBX/Sum? It's kind of weird that even though I have very few userboxes, both of you guys have been targeting me already. Does that maybe tell you that you're trying to delete a huge number of useful things? Why not cut back a bit, perhaps even take a Wikibreak if you're actually upset about little boxes on user pages? Jimpartame 12:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe they're upset because the Templated Userboxes are clogging up the Template space, and all they want to do is move them over to User space, where they can STILL reside on User pages (like yours) as text boxes - which look exactly the same - so they will no longer reside with templates, which are supposed to be TOOLS for writing the encyclopedia. The Templated Userboxes are also being used to create "clubs" of users who "gang edit" articles to their own POV and gang up on other Userboxes to stack votes in deletion discussions, both contrary to Wikipedia policies. I hope this helps. Let me know if it helped. - Nhprman 17:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If the goal is to move the templates to User space, why not just make new templates there, with whatever new names seem best, and then encourage people to use those versions? Conrad put a notice on my user page saying that the person userbox was proposed for deletion, not proposed for a move. That is why people are reacting as though this is an attempt to delete userboxes: because the people who want to delete them are referring to it as a deletion process. In contrast, I don't see any problems with your proposal to move the templates. Could redirects be set up, so that the code on my user page wouldn't even have to change? Jimpartame 20:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Conrad: I've never seen so many woefully misinformed people and it's very frustrating to read reactions like those on the Tfd discussion pages. What's wrong with people? Why don't they GET IT? We should do a better job of informing them of the facts. Thanks for your work during these debates. - Nhprman 17:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Why don't they GET IT?" Possibly because the nominations/votes say "Unencyclopedic" or "Stupid and lacking in humour" (the exceptions with 'votes' being the ones Conrad likes or 'gets') rather than anything to do with Templates. Bastun 12:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Conrad you need to explain that you are wanting to delete the userboxes but instead that you want them moved from templates to userspace. Instead of stating a POV like not funny delete.  Give it a direction and explaination before getting a userbox war started becuase you are missing the humor in the jokes.  I have 5 userboxes that you have selected as not humorous enough and want deleted so slow it down and tell users what you are wanting done.  This will also stop this comments from people wanting to take it to admin levels to fix. Jangle 08:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Jangle. At first when I saw all your nominations for deletion, frankly I thought you were simply a troll trying to figure out a way to really make a lot of people angry.  But then I looked at your contributions and you have made a lot of value-added contributions too, so I came to the conclusion that you really do believe that what you are doing is in the best interests of Wikipedia.  I don't see it that way myself, but certainly respect your right to a different point of view and your interest in making Wikipedia the best it can be.  Therefore, my suggestion would be that you focus on NPOV reasons for your nominations rather than a POV reason to delete like "Stupid and Lacking in Humor."  Inevitably, that kind of bombastic statement is just going to anger people and you will create a lot of opposition to what you are trying to do.  In other words, if you focused a bit more on not criticising other Wikipedians' sense of humor and calling them "stupid", (or at minimum focused on NPOV jusifications for your nominations), you might find that you are able to more effectively advance your own agenda.  Good luck to you!  Fairsing 19:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Person Userbox
You said something about me creating that userbox. I didn't; I'm just one of the many people who likes it and wants to use it. Maybe you don't think userboxes are fun, but that's no reason to delete them from our pages. Wikipedia is for everyone. Jimpartame 07:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Aquinas High School-La Crosse, Wisconsin-
Many thanks for reverting vandalism concerning the Aquinas HS article. I do volunteer work at Aquinas HS with the archives&alumni. RFD 14:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was happy to do it.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  21:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Nominations
I am going to politely ask you to CEASE AND DESIST on your rampant nominations for articles/templates/categories to be deleted. failure to stop immediately will result in me taking this to arbitration/administration. User:Raccoon Fox 18:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have the right to nominate templates for deletion from the article namespace just like anyone else. If you disagree with my nominations, you're welcome to do so, but please refrain from trying to intimidate me into conforming to your wishes.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  21:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you do have the right and i do NOT try to intimidate you. I just try to act calmly. for some reason, when i act calm, many people tell me i intimidate. WHy this is so, is anyone's guess. However, i do think you should at the very LEAST...take some time to review whether the templates you are nominating are really fair to be nominating...especially if they are very popularly used (some have over 300 links). User:Raccoon Fox 04:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

shocking nudity
-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  03:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The Template:User not censored has been reverted to its original form without the boobies. In its original form there was a line drawing in the userbox not the pic of a woman's chest. I urge you to take a look at it to see that this was in no way intended to troll. I will then ask you to retract the tfd nomination.--God Ω War 03:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)



has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!
 * Nice of you to do so, Jimpartame.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  03:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't that a -gasp!- template being used to spread the love?! Shouldn't templates be held sacrosanct and only used for actual encyclopedic stuff?  Not funny!  Nominate it for deletion! To anything else would be hypocritical! Bastun 14:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Was there any constructive purpose in that remark? Oh, and I will say once again that I did not specifically intend for those templates to be permenantly deleted; just removed from the template namespace.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  03:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Angela doppelgangers
Sorry didn't realise it was you until you posted the notices on the user pages, if the blocks are a problem, let me know. --Alf melmac 17:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. I was able to avoid an IP block.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  17:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries then :) --Alf melmac 17:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for experimenting with the page Go directly to the Bad Jokes, Do not Delete, do not collect Other Nonsense on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thank you for your understanding. --Deon555|talk 23:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Why did you remove the content that I submitted? It did come from the page User talk:BabySnugz, though he had changed the page since I submitted it. I didn't make it up, if that's what you thought.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  00:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

test template
Why did you add the test template to my talk page? .**My Cat inn @ (talk)** 00:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologise for placing that warning template on your talk page. I was RC patroling and I thought I saw you make a vandal edit, but I checked you contributions and I was obviously mistaken.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  00:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Reverted Edits
Hi Conrad, Thanks for contacting me

I'm sorry, I didn't realise it was the 'Nonsense' page...

I apologise sincerely for the revert, and please be aware I have restored your edits.

Thanks for letting me know.

--Deon555|talk 00:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Your new proposal
Suggest you delete your proposal "Better means of identifying when an article receives or looses featured status" and recreate it as "Better means of identifying when an article receives or loses featured status." Bastun 09:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

About the Ecuadorian Pretender
Conrad: I added Eugenio Espejo's picture to his English article. As Ecuadorian, I feel a bit uneasy about using that picture on the "Ecuadorian Pretender" page/article: It's somewhat awful to see an Ecuadorian patriot under that name, you know what I mean.

I am aware that you can edit whatever you want on Wikipedia, as long as you are not vandalizing, like this guy, so I'm just leaving it to your consideration whether to keep that picture on the "Ecuadorian Pretender" article or not.
 * The picture was added by freakofnurture, not me. You should consider talking to him about it instead.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  04:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry!... I will.

Double Reversion
Ummmm... Is this a joke? I made a mistake and reverted back to the original vandalism. The anti-vandal user and I shared a laugh, and that was it. If you notice the double reversion, I said "oops, sorry". Please try to pay attention next time, I'm trying to help. 0zymandias 06:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Gameplanet Deletion proposal
I thought Id inform you that you have gained relative notoriety on Gameplanet forums for your hasty and hilarious superior deletion request. - Lemonus
 * So I've seen. It's actually quite amusing.-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  18:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Huzzah for deletion! - Arrozal

Can someone link some relevant information about this here... - Abscissa 04:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)