User talk:Constient

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Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Music therapy into Draft:Creative Arts Therapies. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g.,. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted copied template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. If you are the sole author of the prose that was copied, attribution is not required. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright
Hello Constient, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to Draft:Institute for Therapy through the Arts have been removed, as they appear to have added copyrighted material without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues here.


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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia
Hi Constient. I spend time working on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia, along with my regular editing, which is mostly about health and medicine. I am not an administrator. Your edits to date are promotional with respect to expressive/art therapy, and you have made a vague disclosure on your userpage.

Lots of people come to Wikipedia with some sort of conflict of interest and are not aware of how the editing community defines and manages conflict of interest. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

Hello, Constient. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the request edit template);
 * disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.

Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. Unmanaged conflicts of interest can also lead to people behaving in ways that violate our behavioral policies and cause disruption in the normal editing process. Managing conflict of interest well, also protects conflicted editors themselves - please see WP:Wikipedia is in the real world, and Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia for some guidance and stories about people who have brought bad press upon themselves through unmanaged conflict of interest editing.
 * Comments and requests

As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. As I mentioned, you have indeed made a sort of disclosure on your userpage; would you please clarify your connection with Institute for Therapy Through The Arts and other relevant organizations, and describe your role in that or those organizations? After you respond (and you can just reply below), if it is relevant I can walk you through how the "peer review" part happens and then, if you like, I can provide you with some more general orientation as to how this place works. Please reply here, just below, to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 18:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Jytdog! I appreciate you reaching out to me! Thank you for your guidance! I understand the importance of disclosure to keep Wikipedia's integrity. I'm obviously new to all of this, so any help is much appreciated!
 * As to my edits so far:
 * It's true that all of my edits so far have been in the field of creative arts therapies, just because that's what I'm really passionate about (I'm studying drama therapy). I thought that the Wikipedia article on Expressive therapies was just not at all representative of field. That was my prior motivation to join Wikipedia in the first place and make changes to that article.
 * As to my draft of an article for the Institute for Therapy through the Arts:
 * The ITA is an organization I'm volunteering for. They do a lot of good and important work not only for their clients but to the community as a whole - that's why I believe there are notability for their own wikipedia page. I do have a COI, just because I'm volunteering for them, however I am unpaid and not staff. How would you say I'd have to disclose this on my page? I found the template that is in there right now in the beginner's guide.
 * Again - thank you. It would be great if you can tell me more about peer review! Constient (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. Is the volunteer work doing outreach in general, or just this?  Also is this at all formal - something you would put on your resume as you would an internship? Jytdog (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure! No, it's volunteering as in helping out at events (e.g. the conference or community programs). Yes, I'd put in on my resume because it's work in the field of creative arts therapies, which is what I'm studying.Constient (talk) 19:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. So this is intern-like.  We consider intern work to be a form of paid editing (the "pay" is the experience and line on the CV); this is not a formal internship apparently but right on the edge.  But you should read WP:PAID to be clear about what we expect, as well as WP:COI, as well as more broadly, WP:ADVOCACY (and I hope you do)
 * What all of that is about, is really people coming to WP really passionate or committed to something in the real world, and trying to promote or express that view or thing or idea in Wikipedia. Passion (or some actual external commitment) is a double-edged sword -- it drives people to come here and contribute, but it can also drive people to not take things slow and learn what kind of content is OK here, and how to behave here, which can lead to bad content and bad behavior.  It appears to me at least, that you have both conflict and advocacy to manage.
 * Anyway... so on your Userpage, would you please add something like "I am volunteering in an intern-like way for the Institute for Therapy Through The Arts, and am studying drama therapy". You can just add the sentence - you don't need any fancy box or template.  OK? This will finish up the disclosure piece - we can go on to the peer review piece next. I'd also like to walk you through how we edit about health and medicine, so your editing can be stronger.... Jytdog (talk) 00:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I added the clarified disclosure and read through the suggested pages. Constient (talk) 13:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I also clarified my disclosure in the talk page of the article as a connected contributor, according to WP:DCOI. Constient (talk) 15:27, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Jytdog! I just got very upset to see the article for the Institute for Therapy through the Arts cut by more than in half. I understand you have much more experience than me, but I had thought to follow the right procedure. I followed your advice and guidance with my COI, tried to find as many sources as possible for my article and went through the process of articles of creation to make sure my article is in line with Wikipedia guidelines and is noteworthy. I got so happy to see my article being accepted into the mainspace after all this waiting so you must understand my frustration with your edits. Don’t you think some of my paragraphs were good enough to keep? After all they were good enough for the Articles for Creation team. Is there any way we can work together on this? Earlier in this discussion you mentioned peer review, but never followed up on this. If I work some more on some of the deleted paragraphs (with your criticism in mind) and then put them back in the article, would you look through and check them again? Constient (talk)

I am sorry you are disappointed. That really should not have been moved to mainspace as it was and I left a note for the person who accepted it -- I am sorry that you feel jerked around.

You can propose content on the Talk page. Just open a new section on the talk page, put the proposed content there formatted just as you would if you were adding it directly to the article, and just below the header (at the top of the editing window) place the tag to flag it for other editors to review. Format just like you would, if you were directly adding it to the page. In general it should be relatively short so that it is not too much review at once. Others will respond to the flag and give you feedback, or implement it.

Please keep in mind that content in Wikipedia summarizes independent, reliable sources. Usergenerated sources (like the postings in the Tribune) are not OK. It is also not OK to cite a book, and then write about how great the book is (that is not summarizing the source). Please have a read of user:Jytdog/How if you didn't already.

Again I am sorry you feel jerked around. Jytdog (talk) 22:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Institute for Therapy through the Arts has been accepted
 Institute for Therapy through the Arts, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:08, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Ways to improve Institute for Therapy through the Arts
Thanks for creating Institute for Therapy through the Arts.

A New Page Patroller Rosguill just tagged the page as having some issues to fix, and wrote this note for you:

"Overall looks good, although it could use some copyediting for tone"

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can reply over here and ping me. Or, for broader editing help, you can talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

signed,Rosguill talk 18:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Creative Arts Therapies


Hello, Constient. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Creative Arts Therapies".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)